>be weed addict for 15 fucking years>ween down to 2 mg then quit 3-4 days ago>super deep rem sleep, deeper and deeper each night>still wake up sleepy(but the burning feeling behind my eyes is going away)What gives? Why am I so sleepy even after a super deep sleep session? Im assuming my body is catching up on sleep i missed, in which case this might drag on for months beacuse I missed out on a LOT of sleep
you think youre getting super deep rem sleep but youre probably getting lower quality sleep
>>76809884Lmao, u are really trying to tell me u get better sleep on weed? Im never going back, I dont want to be associated with u subhuman losers anymore, enjoy ur minimum wage job
>>76809884Now lets hear from a person whos NOT still addicted to weed, especially one who isnt in denial about it
>>76809905I've never used any of this garbage but the clue is right in the op>super deep rem sleepREM isn't deep. OP is having a lot of dreams and is amazed by that, but the straightforward reading is that the sleep is worse. Any fitness watch that tracks stages of sleep would probably show less deep sleepalthough look at my new Garmin, the only 'deep' sleep I had last night was when I was lying awake in bed.
Weed has to be the shittiest drug out there. It provides a really feminine, moronic high. It temporarily provides the kind of brain I imagine most women and stupid men have.
>>76809920>REM isnt deep sleepHow stoooopid are u? Lmao
>>76809899Damn bro the weed withdrawals must be hitting you hard.No, going from smoking weed every night for 15 years and then quitting will be a massive shock to the system and it takes time to readjust. You arent making it if you this dumb and angry, get back on the weed boyo before you end up hjurting yoruself or others
>>76809869dont know the mechanism behind any of it, but you'll start to feel normal again after several weeks, maybe longer. if you even remember what normal is like. give yourself time to adjust.
What are the odds you have sleep apnea?
>>76809899just put the fries in the bag bro, extra ketchup.If you too dumb to realise quitting a behavioural drug addiction of 15 years is going to affect your sleep as your brain chemistry readjusts then get your job application to mcdonalds in cos its all you gunna get
>>76809884Why do you say that? Doesn't weed lower your sleep quality?
>>76809933>WEED bro, Weeeeeed!>>76809934I already weened down to 2 mg every night so I dint think it will take that long. Before when I tried to quit the insomia would peak on day 7 or 8 and I couldn't take it anymore. This time its different.>>76809936I dont snore>>76809937My question is why do I still feel tried despite getting a very solid 8 hours in?>>76809959Its an addiction cope. Like I said maybe ill am just catching up on sleep. I do feel much physically better already. Just groggy, unlike before when I would get like 5-6 hours and feel wired in a bad way and my brain didnt function correctly
I predict this will be a bad thread. Stoners and anti-stoners are bad enough by themselves but put together they are like nerve gas to a thread.
>>76809982If u dont want to take a side then u are a coward. Or maybe u are normal. I did many other drugs with moderation and ddint get addicted. Might pop a xanax tomorrow night.. When I catch up on sleep im finally going to do some adderal from my stash, havent done it in over a year cuz I couldn't spare any sleep. I was addicted to weed before I tried it, movies like half baked and dazed and confused ruined me. I didnt have any freinds and thought that was a good avenue to make them. Also thought it was a physcedelic(its not). I didn't make frens but they were all losers and dragged me down with them
>>76809987*I did make freinds
>>76809982You know what's a blessing in diguise is that the millenial stoner culture didn't really carry over to zoomers.Yeah zoomers vape and smoke and eat those american edibles that taste and look like and are packaged exactly like candy, but there was a special kind of autism to 2000s and 1990s stoners where they would have the Bud Of The Month pictures up on their bedroom or apartment walls from High Times magazines.and then it was always a constant pissing contest about who ever got the highest ever like no way dude bro you don't even know how high I got dude bro I was zoning out bro I greened out dude I was so epic highand the secret fun stoners language, zoomers did adopt a bit of that all like BRO I'M DABBING MY PIFF, I'M PIFFING MY DAB BRO OH MY GOD I'M SO HIGH THE ZA IS ON MY WAWA AND THE LALA
>>76810028Edibles are WAY worse than weed. U get way higher for wya longer. Weed back then wasn't as strong, rhats why we bragged about getting high. Stoners today have saturated tolerances and dont get any higher yet keep smokingOne hit if a vape isnt as bad as one hit from a cig but u take 10 times the amount of hits. And its only not as bad for ur lungs, the vape is way worse for ur brain. Maybe if u quit weed u wouldn't feel the need to be a contrarian 24/7 just so u would feel some selbrence of an emotion
>>76810044>Edibles are WAY worse than weed.Edibles are weed, well a weed product anyways same as hash.Smoking is bad for your lungs, and your skin, and your throat, and your gums, and your teeth, and your tongue, and your overall cardio vascular health, and increases your chances of cancer.Same with vaping, I only breathe air.Good job typing out words, by the way. Even at my most retard of peak stoner days where I was burning through an ounce a week I still managed to do a quick spellcheck and typo overview and finding the Y and O keys when typing out "your" and "you" instead of just mashing the U key like some impatient 12 year old texting her BFF or a rate-limited texting plan in 2007 all like "OMG where r u???? im @ th mall ill c u l8er if u nt bsy?!"
>>76810062All the proper spelling yet u still work manual labor, sad
edibles work better than any sleeping pill I've tried
>>76810076Have u tried not having a broken body that need chemicals to sleep?
>>76810074>>76810079>calls stoners lazy and stupid and every other stereotype under the sun>can't be bothered to type out three letter wordsThis is what the other anon said about how anti-stoners are literally the same as stoners.Also I never said I worked manual labor.
>>76809974 i told you first time before you chimped out, quitting a drug youve used for 15 years means your sleep is likely disrutped as you readjust off the drugs. this will persist for weeks
>>76810106Im an engineer, I dont need to spell, I know math
>>76810108I mentioned that its a possibility in my post. I was just wondering what other anons excperinces is like. U except me not to chimp out after such a shock to my system? Faggot. I am embracing the hate
>>76810106>ITS ((YOU)), NOT UUUU, HUURRR KA DURRRR!!!why are u stuck working manual labor if u know how to spell?
>>76810062Edible are high doses of weed. When ur liver processes them it has a different effect on ur physiology
>>76809987I am pro drug. I think they are the best option for someone who doesn't get married/ have a serious career. But stoners are the least interesting druggies and pot discussions on here are reliably bad.>>76810028It might be a legality thing. So you're saying zoomers don't really have any kind of weed culture?
>>76810150I agree, psycedelics are peak drugs. Also u can even use harder drugs like adderal or xans for ur benefit if u use them in moderation(once a month). Adderal to get shit done, xans to catch up on sleep or unwind.
>>76810129You're a D-list youtuber, Mutahar.>>76810136What's with your autism about manual labor? At least manual labor isn't getting holocausted by AI slop replacing it like with desk jobs.>>76810143>Edible are high doses of weed.They're no more or no less high a dose of a strain of weed that has the same dose of THC, or CBD. I'm not American so a single dose of an edible isn't going to be like 500 mg or some crazy shit like that.
>>76810150>It might be a legality thing. So you're saying zoomers don't really have any kind of weed culture?No they still have their own weed culture, but it was definitely way stronger in millenial or gen x times.Part of it is of course how it's been made more and more legal in more and more places, but that was moreso the cause and the real effect is that weed turned into something that your parents and old people do. It wasn't like that when we were kids, smoking weed was an act of rebellion against your parents and society etc.Also someone like Snoop Doog who used to be a real criminal and cool rapper is now just a vague meme celebrity that kids know from youtube poops and ironic gamer videos with 420 kill streaks blaze it everyday etc. Cheech & Chong are a couple of 90 year olds that are out of the public's eye, Seth Rogen is just a Jewish guy now, etc.Even stoner comedies aren't really a thing anymore because the notion of "what if someone intentionally or accidentally smoked a bunch of weed" isn't something that's socially taboo therefore funny in mainstream comedies in the same way of "what if someone accidentally or intentionally farted"
>>76810161>holocausted by AILmao, wagie confirmed. Excuse me while I WFH really quick. The fsct that u are stick doing manual labor is indicative of the fact u dont have enough iq points to realize AI will take over plumbing also. Learn what a servo motor is
>>76810183Its made with super unhealthy chemicals now, China owns a lot of the weed farms
>>76810195>Excuse me while I WFH really quick.being a NEET isn't a job>>76810217>Its made with super unhealthy chemicals now,like what?>China owns a lot of the weed farmsbetter than India I suppose.
>>76810195NTA but you type like a retard and don't understand anything if you think AI is going to 'take over plumbing' anytime soon.
>>76809869>Addicted to chemical-altering drug for 15 years>Quit>2 days later "Man why do I feel so bad?"Are you actually retarded?
>>76810255Learn what a servo motor is retard. Im coming down of 15 years of weed, whats ur excuse for being an asshole?
I quit weed 12 days ago and the sleep is the same as before, in the morning I feel less groggy but except that not really a difference. The problem is after work, I can't really relax and I am just spazzy and aggressive all the time.
>>76810183>Seth Rogen is JewishYou cappin, bruh?
>>76810284I feel better than I did. Just tired. Im just seeing what other anons who went through the same shit i did excperinced
>>76810379How long have u been on it?
>>7681049910 years
>>76809869>Why am I so sleepy even after a super deep sleep session?Assuming you are getting this data from some kind of fitbit then look at your heart rate through the night. Typically when I get deep sleep but still wake up groggy my sleeping heart rate was above resting levels typically because I ate something substantial close to bed or drank alcohol that night.
>>76809927REM and deep sleep are literally different phases of sleep
>>76809899>enjoy ur minimum wage jobI smoke weed every day and make $300K, whether or not you are useless is completely untethered to smoking weed.
>>76810747What do u do?
>>76810746Seems u are correct but if I enter REM sleep then I have to get to deep sleep first. How do u know that im not getting enough deep sleep?
>>76810816Hybrid SWE SRE role at the moment.
>>76810846Do u work in AI? Or are in the bay area general? I never seen a SWE make that much in Colorado were im from. I do see job posting from Palo alto for 250k for my level of experience but I imagine they only want to hire people who went to Berkley..
>>76810826My guess with no data whatsoever is elevated heart rate : >>76810742Given that you only quit weed 3 days ago your body likely has increased cortisol while adjusting to the lack of THC which elevates your heart rate. Stress in general tends to increase your resting heart rate. The other possibilities are what I listed in the other post (late night eating or alcohol).
>>76810852>Do u work in AI?I've been known to dabble but my core experience is web infra and systems engineering. AI infra isn't that different though, just substantially more expensive.>Or are in the bay area general?Yes, I transplanted to the bay area because this is where fat salaries are. >I imagine they only want to hire people who went to Berkley..I dropped out of college, and not from Harvard, Stanford, or Berkley. That being said going to one of those schools is 100% guaranteed to give you a leg up in this market. At least when blind firing applications, which is among the worst possible ways to handle the job search right now.
>>76810876What do u think made them give u that job despite dropping out?
>>76810876What should I do as opposed to blind firing? Curtail each resume to each job?? I am EE..
>>76810854I cant stop late night eating, im on a bulk
>>76810876Also can you give me some money?
>>76810876Isn't 300k in the bay the same as 150k in other parts of the country when factoring cost of living?
>>76809869 Just bought this shirt
>>76811041Only if you intentionally live beyond your means and get a $6K per month apartment. The bay area makes it VERY easy to live beyond your means no matter what your salary is.>>76811040No!>>76811029>What should I do as opposed to blind firing?Leverage your network. Create one if you don't have one. Projects on github and posting on linkedin are an okay place to start to garner some name recognition but you don't have a real network until you solve a problem for someone who actually knows you.I don't have the statistics in front of me but something like 90% of actual hires companies are making at the moment come from OUTBOUND applicants, aka, referrals and people being head hunted by recruiters. Inbound applicants are largely fucked because there are so many of them it's easier to just ignore them all than to even sift through them with AI. I was head hunted.>Curtail each resume to each job??This will help the blind firing process but in the massive arms race at scale, this has gone from "helps you stand out" to "basic requirement" because everyone else is doing it. This is where gippity enters the process for you.>>76811023>What do u think made them give u that job despite dropping out?There are three factors :1. After dropping out I immediately entered the work force and started gaining practical skills. I took the very, VERY long route to get here. Initially working sales, then tech support, then cloud ops, then SWE before being head hunted for my current role.2. Someone who is competent, much less skilled, in both ops and SWE work is extremely rare. Typically people take one or the other route. They grind their way from sysadmin to SRE not really learning to code. Or they go to school, get an ego about ops work, and only want to write code. My role is a mid-point between the two, I have done deep performance work and shipped features across the full stack. Effectively whatever the business needs at that time. 3. Dumb luck of course.
>>76811023>What do u think made them give u that job despite dropping out?Oh there is a 4th factor too :4. One of the things that the recruiter noticed and highly valued in my experience was that I had 6 solid years at my last job of continuous growth. It was all at the same company where I made the jumps from tech support to SWE, making the jump to the next role about once every 2-3 years. The recruiter called this out in our initial conversations as something massive that stood out because the company likes people who dig in for the long haul in this kind of role.
>>76811133>One of the things that the recruiter noticed in my experience was that I had 6 solid years of continuous growth at my last company.Fuck my brain gets so warped after leg day. The thoughts come out in random order in every sentence.
>>76811037Eat earlier in the day silly goose. The only thing you should be eating in proximity to bed time is cottage cheese.
>>76811133Well fuck, I have been job hopping cuz bad luck with bosses or getting laid off due the fact we didnt have any sales. For instance I work at a defense contractor for 11 months and my boss threw me under the bus like the POS jeet he is so I started applying Monday so I dont have high hope, my work history is very spotty but I didn't advanced RF work for a while. I do have a 1st round interview Monday for 58k more than what I am making now though
>>76811121Btw, I was able to become an EE while being addicted to weed. If I was sober I would have my own firm right now. U dont need the extra energy from being sober if u are just getting a paycheck. I want more out of life. I also want to start meditating again
Stay strong OP. I smoked the shit for 15 years too. About a year and a half ago I managed to quit for a whole year and then slowly went back to being a degenerate.Now 2 weeks clean after struggling to stop. It is true that weed is just feminine energy, akin to an old lady that is contempt with not doing anything besides being comfortable waiting for death.This time the physical withdrawals were not there but I feel for you as I know how hard they can be.Stay hyper vigilant and dont let your weak side go back into that shit.God bless
>>76811121Seriously. Give me some money or the cat gets it
>>76811316Dude, its always either phsycial or mental withdrawals, with me its one or the other but never at the same time. Insomia is brutal
>>76810747total lies. Weed unequivically makes people lazy retards. It sucks the joy out of life when you're not high.>b-b-bbut Joe Rogan is a billionaire!!11fuck off>>76810816he lies
>>76811399For the first few weeks what worked for me in the past was to not do any caffeine. At night I tried some chamomile tea, Valerian root supplement and magnesium. I also tried to get as exhausted as possible but also remember to quiet your mind with some stretching.L-theanine is working wonders too.
>>76809869It takes about 2 years to recover.
>>76811489that seems excessive
>>76810028This picture killed me
>>76811489What did u feel like when u recovered? I dont doubt u..
>weed>addictPussy
>>76811510when u recover from weed, u fall into a boredom and nothingness, which allows u to start slowly building your life... i stopped smoking in january this year and started srsly goin to gym 7 months later..
>>76809899>u are really trying to tell me u get better sleep on weedwhatyou dothis isn't a secret >blah blah rem sleepthe quality of your deep sleep is much higher with cannabis use and you get more of it
>>76811830Retard
>>76811858brother i make chatgpt say nigger on a daily basis, doesn't mean shit and i draw my statement from actually reading actual studies
but hey you clearly don't have the cognitive reserve to be doing things like using weed so good job quitting
>>76811867Nta, but I used to be a massive stoner and have noticed that my personal sleep quality has skyrocketed since I stopped somoking weed
>>76811907it's a skill issue if you wake and bake and get high all day then when you stop at night it fucks up your sleep if you pop an edible to ride you through the night, or just don't smoke until the evening, then your levels will be high enough through the night to not affect your sleep
>>76811911You are a coping retard. This is the dumbest shit I have ever heard.
>>76811924really? we have some fucking retard that doesn't know a then from a than consulting his chatgpt oracle and using its garbage outputs to call someone else a retard because they don't have the mental throughput to be able to tell themselves, and you're calling common sense pharmacokinetics "the dumbest shit I have ever heard"are you sure? did you ask chatgpt?
>>76810826The deep sleep phase might last like a minute. Ive monitored my sleep for 1½ year now and it has happened to me before.
>>76810359>muh plumber Not for 50 years. Shut the fuck up you gay retard.
>>76809924We live in an overly feminine world
>>76810161Edibles digest in a way that enhances the effect and prolongs it. Smoking weed is a much different experience than eating weed
>>76811867Thanks for posting it, retard. I just aced my take home midterm for a masters level antenna class thanks to chat gtp but im sure it cant read througg basic articles
ddiqs should never smoke weed or drink or get laidthink of how much smarter everyone would be if hitler won
>>76809869Smoked from 15-35, been without for 2 years now. Best thing I ever did was stop. Huge waste of money & weed culture, in its entirety, is a joke. Weed makes you complacent & lazy, it's basically just another jew scheme. All of the studies backing it's alleged benefits are paid for by companies that profit from its sale.>but muh creativity, muh productivityNo it doesn't, it just makes everything seem like a novel idea, like every effort was good, that's how complacency is built into you>but muh restIt's been proven to dramatically worsen sleep cycles. The only time it's an improvement is in the face of conditions that made sleep difficult to achieve for reasons that weed alleviates. The only time weed is ok, is when its legitimately used as a medicine.>but muh liftsIt's been proven that weed dulls the CNS. You, again, feel like its a good effort, but it isnt. In my 20 years of smoking while lifting & being around lifters who did, we all spun our wheels but felt like we were doing great. I've made more gains in these last 2 years than the previous two decades.
>>76812888Right, beacuse plumbing is such a complemented task ran by super smart people. Totally not filled with lowwit alcoholics or anything
>CTRL+F apnea>only 1 resultHoly shit.OP, the most correct answer is that you may have sleep apnea.>but I don't snore!Irrelevant. Silent sleep apnea is a thing.Fatigue despite sleeping is the most classic sign of sleep apnea. You can't self diagnose. You need to go to a doctor and run the tests.Please don't waste years of your life chasing other explanations because you're to lazy to do the tests.Oh and even if it isn't apnea, a sleep specialist doctor will help you with whatever else could be going on.
>>76812958Single digit IQs winning again
>>76812970Dont u fucking think I should at least give it a month or to for my body to adjust from a daily and nightly habit I had since I was fucking 14? Chat gtp is way better than docs. I had a bone infection for over a year and chat gtp saved my life when countless doctors misdiagnosed me. U really think a doctor is going to tell me to just tough it out while my body naturally goes back to its normal form instead of do exspensive tests? I woke up today feeling more refreshed than yesterday. U really think tha missing out on good, full 8 hours of sleep for a fucking decade doesnt produce sleep debt?Medical misdiagnosis is the #3 cause of deah5 in the US. Very few doctors went into it bewcuse they cared about helping people or even beacuse they find medicine interesting
>>76812943this dude can't make chatgpt say nigger and it shows
>>76812999I agree that doctors are incompetent and that you need to double check anything they say. I have an extremely rare disease and after 10 years seeking diagnosis one day I decided to take matters into my own hands and diagnosed it perfectly after 5 minutes on Wikipedia (later confirmed the diagnosis with DNA tests).But sometimes you need to rely on doctors, and diagnosing sleep apnea is one of these situations.>give it a month or to for my body to adjust from a daily and nightly No, this is retarded. Your body doesn't need to relearn how to sleep. Anyway, if you want to wait one month go ahead, just get the tests at some point.
>>76812970Any time I have low quality sleep and would assume it's sleep apnea I can fix it by getting my sedentary ass up and doing some cardio. Training your lungs and cns to operate efficiently and alert during the day helps them keep from lagging behind or getting confused at night. Works every time.
