>>76856969
>what we blasting?
the patrician's choice:
test, eq, deca, hgh

me? I plan to go with 300 test and 100 deca

not much of a blast compared to you guys im sure but I really think I will be able to get results on just this based on how I responded to just 200/week trt alone.

I have a little more fat to lose before the bulk starts though unfortunately

Serious questions, will tren really make me want to fuck transgirls? Because I really want to be into them but I'm not.

I fell in love with a discord girl, I didn't know she was trans until 1 month in the relationship she finally confessed. I still love her emotionally, we have a deep bond but I was never into transgirls before and I want to be attracted to her.

>>76857040
only till you cum but your disgust for the tranny will come back with a vengeance as soon as you bust a nut

>>76856969
750 test, 50 anavar pwo, hgh.

Mast and primo give me sickomode acne. And not a fan of nor 19s. R I P

>>76857040
Rope up faggot

>>76857076
Why not split the var twice a day

>>76856969
just a dad basic cycle 500 test, since everything is out of stock

>>76857000
why do fatfucks always do roids instead of doing tirz or reta.

>>76857040
test alone does it for me, fembois and trans. a hole is a hole.

>>76856969
Does deca cause the same stomach issues as tren?
I found some dhack dnp. Will do a cycle to lose 5kg then test, eq, and tbol

>>76857088
I have in the past and it didn't really make a difference. I know the half life is like 8 hours or something. Maybe I should

>>76857089
I am doing semiglutide and 200 test a week right now

If you’re not going for a bodybuilder physique, I don’t see why you’d do more than 500mg total per week
>test base (150mg)
>dry injectable [primo or EQ] (200mg)
>oral [dbol for bulking/Anavar for cutting] 20mg/day

alright bitches. what non blackbox label drugs can i add to my looksmaxxing stack. no steroids or presumably peptides as well though.

currently on 0.05% tretinoin, gonna up it to 0.1% tretinoin. then ill ask for cialis too. anything else i can add? i was looking into compounds and saw one for eyelashes but my eyelashes are already pretty long and my eye areas pretty good in general, almond shaped with a wavy appearance and so on.

>>76857255
GHK-CU

>>76857261
does nothing

>>76857090
I never hear about stomach issues with deca. Its always depression or dick problems that I hear about

>>76857000
300 test and 100 deca is roughly going to be equivalent to 500 test. Which is the standard first cycle.

>>76857485
Except it's a nor 19 and metabolites are in your system for like 6 months kek.

>>76857497
18 for deca

Was 500 test 300 tren. Swapped to 300 test 600 tren. Made it almost 9 weeks, then got bloods and ast was high. dropped the tren. just 300 test now. not sure what to do. i want to grab some var, but ive been poking the metaphorical bear at work, and probably gonna get fired by christmas, soooo dont really want to spend the money. might just cruise briefly, then tren up again january to lean out more before spring break shenanigans

>>76857497
>>76857500
why would anyone care about this who is not a professional athlete lol

>>76857497
This is why you do NPP

>>76857713
Bruh ur retarded. Ester =/= metabolites jesuz christ

>>76857354
retard alert WOOP WOOP WOOP retard alert!!! BONAFIDE RETARD HERE FOLKS WE GOT ONE WOOP WOOP WOOP

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420mg test, 420mg mast, 280mg primo, 50mg winstrol, 4mg Reta, 4IU HGH. Also on MT2. Considering throwing in like 140mg Tren to see how I tolerate it

350mg Test isn't giving me the results I want, should I introduce 200mg Tren into my diet? I am gaining strength but not size as fast as I wish.

>>76857822
Add the kitchen sink too.

>>76857822
Why are you blasting while taking an appetite suppressant? Are you retarded or just black?

>>76857862
Not him but it’s pretty common to take Reta on a blast to keep appetite down. I can be eating 4000 calories and still want more.

I've been ''roiding'' for 10 years. First ''cycle'' was 200 test 200 deca, I wanted to heal a shoulder injury(doesn't work). Dropped the deca after 2 months because I was feeling depressed. Mostly trt since the start. Notable ''blasts'' have been 200 test 200 tren a couple times, and one time I did tren only(started at 300 and ended up at 700).
Currently on 170 test, 140 primo and 140 deca, 4iu hgh, reta and klow. I don't like taking AIs so I keep the test under low 200s.

Goal is fake natty status, although I would like to hit 6 plate squat and 7 plate deadlift. May do a 300 test 3-500 eq blast someday.

>>76857983
>been roiding for 10 years
>goal is to look natty

lol you are doing some shit wrong bro. Maybe try doing more steroids or something

>>76857822
mast + tren are good together. why win over dbol? and only 4iu hgh? double it!

>>76857983
this sounds bad, and you should feel bad. 10 years and still not dyel means you're doing something seriously wrong

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bit the bullet on some Tren E, going to do 200 per week
hope i dont fall for the twink meme

>>76858140
I don’t know if I am a typical responder but only 200 a week of test has me looking so much better than I ever have. I look muscular in a t shirt. Never had that before

>>76858148
p-pics?

>>76856969
Going to try a deca/dbol cycle with no test
>Inb4 "muh deca dick"

>>76856969
250mg of Test C every other day. Just finished week 4 of 20. Cut first 2 weeks and gained 3 pounds on 1500-1800 calories. Then gained another 8 pounds on weeks 3 and 4 while bulking.

>>76858292
Also no sides yet other than feeling really hot all the time and slightly oilier skin. No acne or hair loss or anything.

>>76857059
>>76857089
Very weird. Ive only done test, anavar, and primo (only did primo once) and if anything I liked real women more than usual when I'm on blast. I've always liked trannies even before using steroids.

>>76857822
if you're not drying out on winstrol youre way too fucking fat

>>76857089
crash cutting on GLP agonists without anabolics is asking to lose muscle, not to mention cutting will also crater your natural test

>>76857724
you've never pinned in your life

easiest place to pin:
Glute
Ventro Glute
Deltoid
Vastus Lateralis

>>76857255
Sunscreen fin/dut+minox collagen peptides astaxanthin oral hyaluronic acid

>>76857255
growth hormone

>>76856969
I've been on TRT for 3 years now, 100mg test c a week for about half of that. Got fucked over by insurance so I found my own and started doing about 220/wk sustanon EoD. Only a few weeks in but I already feel way better than I did on 100/wk cyp. Would it be worth adding 90mg NPP a week for joint/back pain? Would I need to have an AI/caber around or do any PCT with such a low dose?

>>76858655
tb500/bpc157

Anyone got a link to the old pastebin that used to be posted in these threads?

Used to be able to find it through Google but can't anymore. Should've bookmarked it really but I didn't

>>76858796
Nvm I found it. Ended up going through the 4chan archive directly

https://pastebin.com/ys7xXYkL

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>everyone doing less than 700 test a week pretending to do ACTUAL progress
youtubers actually brainwashed you kek

>>76858867
I do 1ml every other day.

>>76858878
it's the fact that you guys start messing around with tren/deca/mast on your second cycle instead of upping your test dose when it's the one that actually gives you results

can I do my first cycle if I an a relatively high bf (23/24) ? just test at 350mg or so

Hi there roidsisters. Am I still natty if the only thing I take is 0.2mg of anastrozole daily?

>>76858519
You regain muscle really fast though

>>76858294
dem sidez is high e2. dont forget to take your ai

>>76858913
>do this
>get fatter (and bigger)
>get of T
>lose weight
>barely retain any of your T gains
great dude

Shut up you gatekeeping faggot.

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>>76857851
Gains over everything

>>76857862
It’s the meta now gramps, get with the times retard.

>>76858070
I have a meeting coming up in a few weeks and I want to look good for that. I love Dbol, but it doesn’t give me the same asthetic as winny. It’s the same reason I havnt pushed the HGH further, I don’t want to get any facial bloating before this. I’ll probably push it to 6IU after this.

>>76858513
I feel like I’ve contracted aids, but that’s life. Anything for the gains.

Just stocked up 816 IU of Gold Tops, a GLOW kit & 6 vials of test Cyp. BF sales are mostly live now online FYI.

DNP
EU
source

thanks

>>76859415
Don't think they exist anymore. Too many retards died.

>>76859382
ahhhh goin dry. gotcha. nice! mog those business normies, my dude

>>76856969
I have some constituted HGH on BAC. I frankly hate the stuff and any benefits from it are negated from massive water bloat on a clean diet. I'd like to keep what I have and use the remaining for injury healing.
Can I freeze the constituted HGH vials and thaw then for later or should I just toss them?

where tf do I get legit generic hgh from??

>>76858913
The problems of roiding when over weight are a bit over stated. Like yeah you might have to use a little more AI. Its not that big of a deal. You want to test your blood pressure often. Thats about it.

Best thig to do for you is to take only 150 or 200 test. Run it and see if you get estrogen sides. Diet down hard as fuck with a thousand calorie deficit or so. Get your bodyfat down and the TRT dose will protect your muscles from getting eaten up. Then when you have visible abs start blasting. My 2 cents

>>76858880
true. People are scared of AI for no fucking reason and so they start taking all this shit. Test with an AI is the absolute best steroid because it actually makes you feel good and its "natural" in terms of your body knows what to do with test and its not going to make you go crazy or turn into a tranny gremlin.

>>76857178
>i dont wanna look like a bodybuilder so im running pussy doses
The actual bodybuilders I know cruise with like 3 grams of gear and run 20iu everyday with insulin and eat 6 times a day. You will never look like them running 500 test lmao.

5 weeks into tbol at 60mg on a cut with 350mg test per week. The tbol is trash, I've tried 60 mg per day, 40mg, all I get is walking zombie lethargy halfway through the day with no appreciable benefit besides a few more reps on my lifts that feel like dogshit anyway

>>76858880
>deca and tren dont give you results
Retard
>>76859571
>tbol
Its funny you only hear about tbol from new guys on gear. I almost used it on my first cycle ages ago, trash compound.

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>>76859542
grok told me I should see pretty big gains from 400 test and 100 deca.

>>76859576
I’m honestly okay with shit info and fear mongering being spread around, more guys taking the shit tastic doses the better.

>>76859585
The low doses are because trt clinics only give you so much. And trt clinics are the easiest way to get gear if you aren't willing to get illegal drugs shipped to your home address.

>>76859591
It’s also part of the craze of being “health” conscious. Derek started it, and the entire fitness industry followed suit. All of the bodybuilders like Jay or Chris Bumstead talking about how terrible stuff tren is and hed never take it again thwn Chris’s sister got busted for having tren in her car. All of them are lying through their teeth about dosages.
>muh illegal drugs coming to my apartment
You literally have to sign a waiver to prove those drugs were sent to you. Anybody can ship anything to your address with your name, the court has to prove intent.

>>76859613
>You literally have to sign a waiver to prove those drugs were sent to you. Anybody can ship anything to your address with your name, the court has to prove intent.
Yeah if only there was an immutable record kept of the purchasing transaction on the blockchain forever lol

They probably won't get you but they definitely could get you if they wanted to.

>>76859415
swedish hushboard

>>76859620
Yes your local county police are gonna go through the blockchain to figure out you bought some test. For fucks sake dude most of my county police are running gear and I sold tren to a State Police lieutenant who proceeded to give it to his 16 year old son. Do you even touch grass?

Gear is so low on the list of what police are looking for. Weed is far higher, but anyways, im laughing at your paranoid ass.

>>76859510
cheers brah

>>76856969
200 test. 400npp. No deca dick and otherwise doing fine.
>>76859497
Answer is no. Will probably have to toss it.
FML bros I really want to like HGH but the shit is just causing me to balloon like no other. Took 4 IUs yesterday and became a bloat lord. Literally 176 to 185lbs overnight. Meal was clean and I greatly regret doing it.
I'll have to experiment with this shit at a later time because it's throwing my whole blast off.

>>76859415
>DNP in 2025

I started tirzepatide a week ago
What a hilarious drug
Should be a real lifesaver for fatties who can't lose fat because they're gluttonous hogs
Me? I just kek at the fact that I don't even feel I need to eat despite being in a noticeable deficit

So... sarms during a cycle instead of an oral?
Yes or no?
It's just that I have a shitton of leftover sarms from, like, a couple years ago when I just started out. Now that I know the joy of the real deal it just sits on my shelf and I don't know what to do with it

So maybe some RAD140 instead of, say, tbol in my next cycle?

>>76859574
it won't give you better results than upping your test dose SPECIALLY as a newbie

>>76859802
I am also interested in trying sarms but I cant really figure out if they are worth it or not. Like is there a sarm that has a better gains to side effects ratio than anavar?

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>>76859798
Reta is even better, it completely removes any fatigue from running tren.
>>76859809
Disagree, both deca and tren blow test out of the water and its not even funny. I agree with your general sentiment tho.
>>76859802
Rads the only decent one, and even then IMO its even harsher than superdrol in terms of sides without the potency of super.

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My blood pressure is up up up rn looking like maul from star wars

>>76859843
Take ai bloatlord

>>76859766
Did you start with 4iu from nothing? If so start at 1iu a day for a week or two, then move up to 2iu for a week or two and so on.

>>76860081
Also, was it 4iu all at once or split into AM PM doses?

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my triceps will get a pump to the point of feeling like they will explode before my chest gets a pump. Same with my biceps and my lats.

>>76858801
That pastebin is not great but at least it doesn't say to blast at trt doses

>>76860094
It means your arms are weak, never skip arm day. dyelnigger

>>76859542
fiiinally someone reasonable. man i am not gonna get anywhere near 20iu though. 12's my limit. organ growth spooks me

>>76860965
I'm scurd to go more than 3iu but I'm an old man with kids sitting at 6' 220 lbs sub 10% bf so doing everything in moderation nowadays.

>>76858655
You don’t need caber at that dose of NPP. You’ll get some amount of joint lubrication from it, so if that’s an issue then pull on it. Take p-5-p if worried

Bros I'm 9 weeks into my first cycle, test e 500mg/week. I still don't have any high estrogen sides, hence I haven't taken any AI. Is that normal?

>>76861136
I didn't start getting sides until week 14-ish

>>76861136
You probably have high estrogen on paper just no sides from it. It’s not typical but it does happen. Consider yourself lucky. But might be worth a 50 dollar blood test if you worry about your gear being no good

>>76859510
I was told bulking on first cycle was optimal, should I be cutting while blast and cruising past first cycle timeline?

>>76861147
where do you get blood tested for $50?

Trying 300 test/200 eq, might up to 500/300 or add 100 deca. Thoughts?

>>76861214

Ultalabs is pretty cheap and there is always a 20% off code on the main landing page.

https://www.ultalabtests.com/test/testosterone-total-test

>>76861283

https://www.ultalabtests.com/test/testosterone-total-male-test-adult-only

Just for total.

Can get free & total for $55

>>76861283
what tests should i be doing for bloodwork?

Going to start cutting after painstakingly bulking my way out of hungry skeleton mode. Dropping test down to TRT, adding Reta. Anything else to add to keep mass? Var?

How long does AI take to kick in (Aromasin)? I read people doing adex takes a few days but I haven't noticed my sides going down after 2 weeks of Asin every other day. Swap to Every day?

>>76860965
>>76861106
I cant bring myself to use growth, if I do I might as well run insulin. Honestly im not sure I need more muscle after being on gear for the past 4 years.
>>76861319
Trt aint gonna save you. You need more gear like tren to preserve the muscle on a deficit, my buddy ran 300 test and reta and lost waaaaay too much size on his cut.

>>76858880
>the one that actually gives you results
why are you afraid of 19-nors pussy

>>76861402
I use it for recovery, general health and visceral fat reduction. Thr reason why I keep it at 3iu.

>>76861402
i did 500mg test and 25mg anavar and grew as i cut

>>76861402
>>76861414
fuck maybe I'll keep the test at 500 then

>>76861424
Id honestly just add anavar and go for it at 300mg. Just know that when you drop the anavar you will look worse.

>>76857178
Most retarded cycle I’ve probably ever seen seriously suggested. This would put my e2 literally at zero. If you really wanted to keep it low dose and maybe get results you’d do like 100 test 250 npp 250 mast or something which is still probably not as good as just 500 test. Anything under a gram is actually low dose btw

>>76858565
Pecs and lats are my personal favorites

>>76861522
Is Deltoid not basically the lat? It seems the easiest wonder if a 1” would be overkill.

>>76861538
No dude. I fucking hate delts (outside of shoulder). To pin lats, lift your arm over your head and reach all the way under your armpit. Anywhere below the scapula is fine

>>76861546
I was mixing groups up, I feel like a 1” would be overkill for lats pinning. I just need a spot for 1” that is easily done. Never done delts or ventro glutes but seem the easiest option.

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>sarms on fraud thread
waste of time to just do roids 6 months/a year later once u realize sarms are useless

>>76861837
Read my post again, retar
>sarms are useless
I'm already past this realization
I'm asking if I can add them to my proper gear cycle as an additional oral

>>76861889
you don't get to call anyone a retard when you consider sarms as an "additional oral"

>>76861893
I didn't call you a retard, retar

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Cardio fixed my cycle

>>76861583
1” is fine if you’re not dyel

running 600 test / 200 mast a week been smashing my most recent gym sessions but i can't focus for shit i tried watching a movie the other night and constantly had my focus on other stuff anyone else?

>>76862178
I am looking in the mirror and want to confirm its the muscle below the armpit below the shoulder that goes diagonal; above the ribs? Seems doable.

>>76861583
Just do subq. It absorbs more gradually. You can inject less at a time though. Anything over 2ml should be im

>>76862293
Currently doing that into my quads. Just want more actual options when my tren gets here since I am going to be doing 2 pins a week want to mix it up. Deltoids was first option but was worried about soreness while doing arms, then ventro glutes, then glutes, never thought about lats.

>>76862307
Then consider the calves too. They are actually quite large in volume

Gay AF rant coming in
> This has been the worst blast and bulking season ever
Doing 400mg NPP 200mg test C. No issues here.
But everything else that could have gone wrong has
> Injured myself doing fucking deadlifts at pathetic warm up weight. Like wtf
> Absolutely AWFUL allergies. Ended up going to an allergist it got so bad. So gunky, turns out I have latent asthma. Like wtf. Allegist said I'm not allergic to anything but when pollen and shit gets bad my throat gets tickly and then everything over reacts to it. Basically allergy treatment won't cure it so I have to just snort nasacort and ipramodium sprays on top of huffing allergy inhalers and pucks
> Self inflicted
Tried my HGH stash and ballooned up something awful like 10 lbs of water on a fucking clean diet at 4ius. Never fucking again.
Only good thing out of this is I've been holding steady at 15% body fat and making nice gains so the cut won't be as bad

>>76861309

FSH
LH
Prolactin
Estradiol
SHBG
Free Test
Total Test
RBC
Cholesterol
AST
ALT

>>76862429
>Doing 400mg NPP 200mg test C. No issues here.

man everyone on forums act like npp makes you depressed and anxious and shit. Glad to see there are some people who don't get that. I was planning to run like 400 test and 200 npp for my next blast. Not gonna do it if my odds of getting depressed are like 50 percent though.

>>76862668
Honestly give it a shot mate. If you get depressed, just switch the doses and it'll correct itself really fast.
I'm glad I did. It's honestly become my favorite and go to stack. Chilled as fuck, patient, and direct. More importantly, I'm really sweet with my wife. I'm normally a hard ass but I've been dopey as shit for her and told her how much of a strong woman she is (normally used to piss me off. Now it turns me on). She's been curiously into it and responded nicely since I've been a callous dick for years. It's nice to tell her sappy beta shit and have her like it.
Test bloats me the fuck out even on a clean diet and at 15% bf. Anything above 200mg test C just makes me too watery and my body really does NOT like added water weight. I don't have any other estrogenic issues though which is good.

You could buy ment with your fucking credit card or with venmo for years. Now you can't find it at all. Dark times.

>>76862654
how much will that cost?

What would happen if I added 100-200 tren on top of my 200 test

>>76863291
Your parents will finally love you

>>76863291
More gains

>>76862873
I can find several sources with several different labs in 2 min
A very well know site will help you find rate publically avaiable source

>>76863291
it would be extremely painful

>>76863353
For you

im a big guy for you

>>76857000
200 is trt?

>>76863423
Yeah. "Sport TRT" thoughbiet

>>76863423
Depends on the person. For some people it puts them into supraphysiological levels, for some its in the mid or upper natural range.

The tiniest bit of anastrozol crashed my e2. Maybe I don't need the shit and my e2 is fine? I have been taking it as a precaution but everytime i do it fucks me up - like i said, 1/10th of a pill causes full body flushes and makes me feel like shit. Maybe I'm just a gigachad

>>76863505
I have the same kind of issue. I need to be taking 1/8th of a pill twice a week but I cant physically split the pill into 8ths so I can only take a quarter of a pill once a week. Which I think puts me on a bit of a roller coaster but I never fully crash or go high e2

>>76863642
Suspend it in a solution and drink 1/8th?

>>76863505
>>76863642
Same here that's why I like primo as AI, cant find it in stock now though

>>76863505
You can get liquid arimidex and go as low as you want

>>76863642
Get a mortar and pestle and grind it up and weigh it

>Penis always hard but takes a solid hour to cum

Not sure if thats high or low e2 because the chart says loss of wood is HIGH estrogen but dull orgasms is LOW estrogen. Anybody know?

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700t 300tren 300 deca weightlifting 2 hours and 40 min cycling everyday

>>76863719
skill issue

If my hair can handle primo and masteron could it handle tren?

>>76863745
yeah, masteron is the worst for hair according to pretty much everyone and tren is actually not that bad about balding despite its reputation

anyone have experience combining both Trizepitide and Semiglutide? I am thinking I will take like 2.5 mg of both just see how it feels. I want to cut fast as fuck and get back to bulking.

>>76863719
Sound like a high prolactin issue? Are you on nandrolones?

>>76862292
Yes. Pro tip: you can pin 2-5 discreet sites on each lat depending on how flexible you are well. It’s a huge muscle, just space the sites 2” apart minimum

>>76863765
I have heard of zoomers taking insanely high doses of both. I don't know what happens when you mix them but since they are hitting a lot of the same receptors its probably fine.

>>76863765
>I want to cut fast as fuck
Just do DNP/BAM15

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>>76864102
>just do DNP

tell us about dial up internet great uncle

>>76864117
>great uncle
would not be mentioning BAM15, retard

so MDMA is a nono on tren but what about ket?

>>76864248
If you take ketamine enough that you need to abbreviate it’s name you can probably handle it on tren

so should i be bulking on cycle or nah

>>76864356
and by cycle i mean blast

>>76864356
Yes unless you have a bodybuilding competition at the end

>>76861319
Cruise dose of test, glp1 and hgh(~3iu) is the trifecta
Maybe var on the last 8 weeks of the cut but super optional

>>76864450
I've been saying this for years. Glad someone else knows what's up. Cutting the easy way.

>>76864248
Why? I do a ton of cocaine on tren. Not sure I've done any molly on it, but if so just fingerprints not full on getting zooted.

>>76864117

Not him but I remember the days before dial up. Your computer was used to print banners using your dot matrix printer and there were a few games you could play (Wolfenstein 3d). Windows 3.0 was the shit compared to DOS

>>76863755
co-sign this. Var is worse than Tren for me.

some day i may rejoin the legions of the juice. hopped off and took some enclomiphene, barely lost anything in terms of size. i just put on a little fat which really doesnt bother me that much. out of all the dozens of things i tried test mast and ment are really the only things id take again. anavar too but it made me very aggressive. didnt try tren but part of me wants to, but i was told by everyone i talked to about it to 100% avoid taking tren since im mentally ill

>>76864471
im mentally ill and i say take the tren pussy

>>76864450
should you split the 3iu 1.5 iu twice a day if youve never taken hgh before?

>>76864508
prolly

>>76864004
Wow lat was super easy I think that is my new go-to.

>>76864508
I started off immediately right around 3. No issues at all. I would say once a day is fine. I think the bigger thing is not eating right after.

>>76862668
rarely worth running test higher than NPP, all the sides and leaving gains on the table

>>76864458
>no tren
>no winstrol

/fraud/ adjacent cities ill start:
Rio, Miami, LA, CDMX, Stockholm

>>76864508
I do AM and 3pm, to allow for the natural nocturnal spike as well, but some do the whole thing or the second half before bed to help them sleep
You can titrate up from 1iu if you suspect you are sensitive to it and want to minimize the temporary water retention, hand swelling and possible carpal tunnel
That's more typical of higher doses though, 3iu is fairly moderate

>>76864508
No point just do it all pre bed. The igf spike lasts ages so you dont need to do it every few hours unless you want diabetes. Even 20iu all at once prebed is how its desgined to be used for aids wasting.

>>76856969
Weeks 1-15/16: 500mg test e
Weeks 1-6: 40mg tbol
Weeks 1-6: 5mg tb500
Weeks 7-15/16: 2.5mg tb500
HC1000 once a week
Weeks 17/18 - 20/21: Clomid 100 mg ed
Weeks 17/18 - 20/21: Nolva 20 mg ed
AI and accutane on hand to use as needed

Hoping to retain 5+ kg muscle after the pct. Will cut about 2 months after pct finishes

>>76865452
>all that for just test and tbol
Why?

>>76865515
Aside from th tb500 that's normal stuff

>>76865161
Really? I have read opposite. You will never get deca dick if you run 2x test

>>76865452
> Hoping to retain 5+ kg muscle after the pct
You won’t lmao

>>76865562
Who are you reading lol, the reason for low test with any 19 nor is to keep your e2 low, prolactin from the 19 nors increases only if your estrogen is also high.

>>76865582
So use an ai like normal people
>>76865566
Depending on their experience 10kg is more likely if their training and diet is keyed in

>>76865703
>use ai
Yes, you will never need caber if you have a good ai schedule.
>10kg
You’re not gaining 20 pounds of lean contractile tissue from 4 months of lmao only test. You wouldn’t gain that muscle from blasting 20iu of growth and insulin ontop of a stack.

He might gain a kg, maybe, you’ll quickly lose out because pcting is really bad in general and fucks your performance in the mean time.

>>76865582
thats like pretty old common knowledge. More ideal would be to take some masteron with the deca. But you want a good amount of DHT to compete with the deca metabolite that makes people depressed and makes the dick not work. Pretty sure people have always blamed prolactin when its low DHT binding that gives the common side effects.

>>76865794
The problem with that in practice is masteron doesnt actually lower your estrogen. I run mast all year round and still take ai, it binds to breast tissue and prevents gyno and lowers water. So essentially masks all of the bad sides of e2 without reducing it, so if you tren for instance, you’ll start to get problems because your prolactin will react to your high estrogen and hello leaky titties and depression.

>>76857255
>caring about peptides
Are you a WADA tested/College athlete?

>never used any anabolic steroids, no diabetes known
>use freestyle libre sensor to test glucose levels
>it's jumpy as fuck and spiking between 4nmol/l and 8noml/l
>use a corticoid steroid nasal spray with fluticasone propionate. ONCE.
>glucose levels instantly stabilize and remain rock steady between 4.5nmol/ and 5.8nmol/l for two 24 hours and counting
I don't get it. according to jewgle md AI the exact opposite should happen.

>>76865948
Do a proper blood test retard

>>76865809
thats literally what I am saying. The problem is not prolactin its literally just DHT being out competed for receptors by the shitty nadrolone metabolite DHN or whatever.

High estrogen is just its own thing you would need to handle with an AI. You should already know how to deal with 500 test thats why everyone says to make it your first cycle so that you can lader add some deca to it and still know how to dose your AI without fucking everything up.

Peanut butter sandwich and a glass of milk yes ima big big boy

>>76865962
Already did. Multiple times, even. Everything nornal. But jeetgpt just gave me a new idea.
>Fluticasone reduces nasal inflammation, which reduces sympathetic overactivation, which stabilizes adrenal output, which normalizes hepatic glucose release, leading to rapid smoothing of glucose curves.
My nose is chronically inflammed so yeah go figure.
>The nasal cavity strongly influences the autonomic nervous system
>This is NOT widely appreciated clinically, but is well known in:
>ENT research
>autonomic neurology
>allergy medicine
Highly relatable because my ENT didnt know anything about it.
>Nasal receptors modulate:
>vagal tone (parasympathetic)
>sympathetic output
>HPA axis reactivity
the nose knows!

>>76866001
>Already did. Multiple times, even
Then why do you overthink this

>>76866006
because volatile glucose levels with random ass spikes during the day are really destructive to health. diabetes is not the only glucose related illness. I'm not overthinking this. At most retardthinking, because corticoidsteroids make you dumb dumb. Hence this is such a dicey situation.

>>76865993
Im sleep drunk rn desu desu. All im saying is you can run high test, high mast and deca and still need to ai to keep your prolactin in check. Alot of the old boomer advice is shit because they thought AI usage was bad.

The lazy mans way is simply run low test and high 19 nor, but its gonna be like 150ish test depending on how you aromatize. I personally dont like it because it makes my libido go to nothing

>want to get back in
>DO is scamming people now
>SST is dead
>meso is shitted up, quality down the drain
time to spend the whole fucking day researching US domestic sources

>>76866177
come back and tell us whats the best according to your research. Even if you to say some cryptic "rhymes with x" to avoid janny trannies getting mad. I am too retarded and lazy to do this research myself and I will blindly trust a guy on 4chan

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>>76866177
The sources in general now are terrible. The raw shortage has basically fucked the market so bad that it probably wont recover for another 3 years IMO. Masteron is gone, primo, gone. NPP doesnt seem to exist. Tren ace and anavar raws are hard as balls to find.

Its crazy I was buying test by the pound for a couple hundred bucks and now its almost twenty times that and the quality is very dubious. The only good news is if you’re just interested in test alot of clinics have reduced prices due to competition.

Im so glad I bit the bullet and spent 12k in raws and bought shit loads of everything.

>>76866201
I went primal. Fuck it.
>>76866240
>12k
For personal use? That will outlast your joints

>>76865736
If you only gain 1kg then you majorly fucked up somewhere. Even cutting on a 1000kcal deficit you should gain more than that

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>>76866458
Glycogen is not muscle tissue. Test is not magic. I've seen four guys PCT and almost all of them went right back to their natty state. PCT is a meme.

>>76866240
I can't imagine dropping 12k on gear lol You must have been sweating bullets every time you checked the mail looking for that letter telling you that all your gear was seized.

>>76866290
you extensive research lead you to the top one in the sticky at meso lmao

oh well. Seems like masteron is back on the menu looks like chinese raw producers must have production back online

Reta really fucked me up good these past 10 days. I upped my dose too quickly and am really experiencing the side effects of the glucogan agonist.

>>76866477
Yeah, you, and they, fucked up. Creatine alone can give 0.5kg of muscle, not just water weight and glycogen, over 15 weeks

>>76866481
Bro, i had 2 grand (bout 12k street value) worth of tren get delivered to my neighbor. I have never been more stressed in my life.

Nah I bought it piece meal. Wasnt so bad.

>>76866502
Kek I did this in the summer and completely regret it
There’s nothing better than a steady long cycle you will see way better results than running higher doses on shorter periods

>>76866701
not that anon, but, maaaaaan... i bow to you. i had my shit delivered to the office. thankfully the front desk lady was inept, so mostly smooth sailing. except one thing i didnt realize was shipped separately.... somewhere in that office is a kit of what was labeled as some herbal ointment. lol

>>76865794
It's all based on your individual neurochemistry. My personal theory is that if test makes you feel like shit/you feel like shit natty then nandrolone will make you feel amazing. That's how it was for me. Entire life being incredibly anxious, risk averse, unable to regulate my emotions properly, I thought hopping on high test would fix that - nope. Didn't make it worse but I felt literally exactly the same. First time I tried nandrolone with a small, small amount of test I felt like I was actually living for the first time. Legitimate entire life improvement. Every time I try to go off nandrolone the extreme anxiety comes back.

>yeah im just gonna have thousands of dollars of stuff shipped to someone elses house and im just gonna go to their mailbox and take it before they check their mail
>yeah im gonna have it ordered to my office
do you guys not understand opsec at all?
or that some things like taking someone elses mail (even if you bought it) is more illegal than having roids alledgedly shipped to your own house/name?

>>76866488
I didn't end up doing extensive research, hence the "fuck it"

>>76867223
Yea, thats sketchy asf. I wouldn’t go to a post office to pickup.
>>76867233
Have you heard of the “touch grass” method? You knock on your neighbors door and ask politely if they can look at their mailbox for a mis delivered package. Bonus points to your charisma skill if you’re jacked, clean cut with no tats. You have 99% chance on your roll that theyll say “no problem” and then proceed to tell your about their kids while handing over your expensive package.

There wasn't much to do about it when the china man put in a 9 in your address instead of a 6 faggot. I’m not losing money.

>>76867280
well if its under your name and got delivered to him by accident then yea thats different

Do I lift tonight before bed or tomorrow morning before thanksgiving festivities?
No I will not be drinking beer.

>>76867339
First Thanksgiving im chilling out and not going. I’m bringing a different girl to the next family get together to piss off my possessive old sister.

>>76867384
I promised myself I wouldn't leave my house until after the holidays but I was guilt tripped by my family and I think my hot cousin is going so I have to show off.

>>76866177
>>76866240
>test is almost $50 per vial
Roiding is becoming a richfag only hobby.

>>76867424
I was about to say its only 35, but damn myofibullar treats (not a real source dont ban me) bumped their vials up to 45. Still though its pretty cheap. An entire cycle is only a few hundred bucks. Youre gonna spend more on food.

If you can't afford $50 vials you should stick to putting in some overtime or working the rigs instead of your current Liberal Arts Studies bachelor degree job.

>>76867510
same retards are asking if they need AI without bloodwork

>>76867280
oh! no no no... my work place office. i had my stuff delivered to work, addressed to the company. packages would just sit at the front desk, so i'd go through them at my leisure. most had a c/o, so i just went through the ones that didnt

>>76867562
I mean… you don’t. You can just tell from sides.

>>76867617
inb4
>guys did I crash my e2

>>76867636
No such thing, it’s called being a man.

350/400 tren e it's been my sweet spot if i go over that my sleep gets fucked

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>>76865736
>pcting is really bad in general and fucks your performance in the mean time.

No it's not, you're just a autoandrophilic gooner addicted to the idea of being endocrinologically more of a man than the average testosterone enjoying.

You will lose lose nothing or next to nothing PCTing with appropriate doses of enclo, proper dieting and training. It's not the fucking end of the world being somewhat flatter for a few months, you just bridge to the next cycle with a moderate dose of ostarine, dosing enclo and hcg to keep natural test levels up and counter the ost suppression, cancelling out catabolism off-cycle.

If you're seriously that far above peak FFMI that you're going to deflate to such a catastrophic level then you should already be competing and be getting your pro card or some kind of monetary benefit, not some random fucking loser on grams of gear because it tickles his dick to look big.

na the world was craaaaazy before n4psg3ar
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9hQx1qF00ek

>>76868244
Im not reading all that. Enjoy your no gains nattyfaggot.

>>76868244
> PCTing with appropriate doses of enclo, proper dieting and training. It's not the fucking end of the world being somewhat flatter for a few months, you just bridge to the next cycle with a moderate dose of ostarine, dosing enclo and hcg to keep natural test levels up and counter the ost suppression, cancelling out catabolism off-cycle
This is next level meme shit. I salute you retard, I haven’t seen this retardation before.

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350mg of test e on tuesday 550 on saturdays because i like to live a little bit on the edge

>>76868450
Why

>>76868459
Not OP but I tried this before on tren and it did not help at all although those 2 compounds feel way different

>>76859782
> DNp in 2025 without t3 and a glp1 agonist.
Best fat loss stack.

>>76865562
I am living proof you can run NPP higher than test without deca dick. You should try it first, see what your sides are, and switch of they are present. If not you're lucky.
For me I get awful water bloat with test above 300mg and throwing an AI at it causes other problems. Only downside is I lack the "go get em" motivation 500mg test gives. Otherwise, I'm going to keep running this as my go to stack in the future.

8 weeks into 500mg/week Test cycle. Bloods came back, total test at 14.4 nmol/L. Afraid my gear is bunk, bros. Pharmatech labs from PGanabolics.

How to eliminate face bloat from test and deca

>>76862956
Expensive

>>76868424
>>76868440

Why do they call it B&C? Because all you niggers do is bitch and complain.

>>76868606
good morning saar

>>76868781
?

>>76866502
>glucagon sides
Like what

>>76868736
Why are natties so triggered by facts?

>>76868606
take an AI. Lower deca dose. Watch your salt intake

>>76868606
deal with it when you are on a cycle you have to leave some things behind and that implies looking like a gorilla/destroying that pretty boy face

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>rest days on gear

>>76869138
>roiding but not training hard
ngmi

>>76868833
Like the coping natty who thinks you lose all your gains after pct. Unless you are retarded you keep a lot

>>76868606
You shouldn't be running anything higher than like 60mg test if you're on nandrolone

>>76869218
You should be running 2 to 1 ratio of test to nandrolone if you don’t want deca dick

>>76869192
Go gobble your enclo and sarms, you’re basically natty lite lol

>>76869162
do i not need rest? i do 4 days a week but can bump that up to 6 if i wanted to

>>76869252
Go gobble cock you fucking faggot

>>76869519
I would gobble up your gainz, but you aint getting any lmao

should i throw up the 4 plates i ate?

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Serious question: where do you guys get your steroids? Is there a preferred gray market site?

>>76868244
>the idea of being endocrinologically more of a man
I mean, why aren't you?

>>76869457
yes you need rest. I personally have found that there is virtually no difference in rest needed for natty and enhanced training. You recover a little faster than a natty but also have more strength and ability to fuck your shit up so they cancel out.

>>76870168
walk up to the most jacked guy at your gym and give him a firm handshake and the "roiders wink" thats where you make an exaggerated wink 3 or 4 times. When he sees this he will invite you back to his place for a few drinks. Then you can talk about buying steroids.

>>76870192
Thanks anon. Any tips for supps/prescription items?

>>76870220
estrogen

>>76859813
No. Test is more effective than any sarm and they compete for the same receptor. Why would you add something that activates receptor at 70% strength when you can use test for 100%? Any gains seen are water.

>>76870178
weakest man alive

been on ac262 for over 4 months

gonna up the dose to 30mgs

love it buddies

12.5 enclo the whole time

the solution a lot of the time is just up the dose huh, love it, love it, I'm lovin it

before you call me a beta, I like to do things the safe way and ac262 seems really safe and I'm overweight so I don't want aromatization

19 inch arms 28 inch legs, yea buddy

300mg test + 150 eq + 100 tren

Worth it?

>>76857000
This but with primo on top of the deca

>>76871834
EQ that low seems pointless
You'll get some gains from the test and tren though

>>76871748
>SARM’s
>Safe
>Long term
None have made through full trials BTW. Even Parabolan (Trenabolone Hexa) made it through and has the full rundown of effects
Enjoy your liver screaming. Also Enclo for more than 3months at a time is great way to get permanent floaters and murder your IGF-1. The increase in test from Enclo won’t be enough to cover the deficit in IGF1 caused by Enclo.
Also all that shit is more expensive. TRT from a urologist is cheaper lol.

>>76856969
What % of strength and muscle gains do you keep after pct? 10? 20? 70?

>>76871869
I can see that I'm bigger so obviously the 20mg is working

More definition

The liver can heal and I don't drink so I'm not really concerned about that

I'm in like a pseudo cut/recomp so I dont really need to get bigger, I also have mk677 on hand but it gives me literally ravenous hunger and I've lost 50lbs in 2 years

275lbs 5'9"

>>76871908
>more definition
>275 pounds at 5'9

Doubt

>>76871940
you can google how much lee priest weighed in the offseason, but you might expose yourself as a tiny faggot??

you can be a prick but that won't add inches on your arms, I'm only 1 1/3 year back in the gym and probs more muscle mass than you so whatever bro, whatever makes you feel good about yourself

you are also aware that the arms and the shoulders are the parts of the body that hold the least fat typically? and you can see changes in definition quickly, in addition to my coworker asking me if I'm on tren or how I'm looking slim irl lol

>>76871852
Alright EQ at 250 tren at 150 then

>>76871940
he's posted pics before. he's gained some muscle but is still fat as fuck. that's why he likes to post arm measurements instead of posting his lift stats.

>>76871977
the weight I lift literally doesn't matter to anyone other than people who are smaller than me and have less muscle than me online

because I'm a bodybuilder and I focus on building muscle instead of egolifting heavy shit

that might explain why my arms have more muscle than yours after taking 10 years off from lifting and only doing curls for the last 6 months with 1 1/3 years back in the gym

>>76871908
>275lbs 5'9"
HAHAHAHAHAAAA
>I dont really need to get bigger
you don't say!
>>76872001
post your chin measurements, too, tubby. and make sure not to skip any. this is very important

>>76871954
>I'm looking slim
oh nonono
i missed this part
HAHAHAHAHHAAA

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what is this sudden urgency of getting a buzzcut anyone else

>>76872429
goin bald, or gettin gray, maybe?

>>76872439
NTA but i found a couple grays on my head and thinking about killing myself

>>76872162
literally just what people have told me, not my own words

seething bitch

>>76872147
k, post your arm with tape measure, little baby bitch pussy

I'm roiding significantly less than you yet still have 3 inches on your arm measurement, really makes a guy think

Would be a shame if marcel reed got hurt in this game. What does he weigh like 175? Lol hopefully a 340 pound defensive lineman doesn’t fall on you lil bro LOL

it's incredible how retarded i become from switching 200 to 400mg of tren a week my attention span goes to shit

I want to smash my fucking boss she is so tiny and flirts so much with me AHHHHHHHHHHHH FUCK

>>76856969
Just found a test dealer and I've never done test what do I gotta do to get yoked? I'm tryna have endurance as well so I can go be a fire fighter

>>76857040
I fuck trannys w/o test, its just so easy

>>76872820
lift weights

>>76872844
Any mg to take or just blast it and hit the gym?

Should we just give up on the Primo dream? Have raws ruined it forever?

>>76872854
300mg is like the average recommended weekly dose, assuming enanthate, if I recall, but everyone here will tell you to do 500mg

>>76872854
depends what you want, 300mg for 12 weeks to cycle and get a feel for it, read your body for side effects, then boost to 500mg for 8 more weeks and decide if you want to blast and cruise for 6 months or do the pussy 20 week cycle on then 20 off then repeat

>>76872898
>>76872930
Ty guys so I gotta do 300 mg a week for 12 weeks then feel it out from there right? Do I gotta get on a more strenuous program than usual to take full advantage?

>>76872943
you will recover faster than you would otherwise but you'd have to judge how you're feeling

also your tendons need time to adjust to your increased strength so do not try to max out, maybe do some more reps instead of more weight and strength training type stuff

also it is generally accepted that you can use more protein that you would be able to utilize naturally, basically much more

>>76868606
Dandelion root because it’s a diuretic and will help you hold less water. pin everyday so you have more stable hormones and get less estrogen spikes, therefore less bloat. People will say take AI but I avoid that shit at all cost, it’s bad for bloodwork and hurts gains if you take too much. These days I only consider AI if I’m starting to get gyno. If you’re still getting bloat then I would lower dose or deal with it.

>>76872945
Gotcha, protein shakes and a bit more reps or 1.5 a days

>>76872958
basically, but I'd just say do the same routine you were doing before, unless you were trying to do intense strength training and maxing out, then don't do that

and you can do more if you feel fully recovered, but as a default don't do that right away wait to see how you're feeling

>>76872497
just the other day i noticed one side of my head has a sheen to it... not a fan. but I'm bald anyway, so might as well shave the whole fuckin thing. have fun picking out a hair dye!

>>76873100
I have long flowing hair that thinned a bit on cycle but has stopped, now I have a few grays that remind me of my own mortality and how I have fathered no children yet. Life is fleeting and I am going to impregnate my younger sisters best friend.

>>76873121
do it! live the dream. bonus: any time you argue with your sister, you can threaten to fuck another one of her friends

>>76873154
I just want to fucking plow but don’t want to get back on apps.
I will use this new found primal instinct to increase my workouts.

>>76873422
hop on tren. women can smell it on you

>>76871869
Testosterone or any AAS at consistent bodybuilding dosages aren't safe. Cardiac hypertrophy, permanent shutdown or lowered levels, infertility.

You cycle off to minimise the likelihood of these effects, right? You're not taking them all year round for no good reason (competing bodybuilder, influencer making tons of money) besides to "look big" and because you have a stupid gooner breeding fetish, right?

I like DNP.

>>76860094
dyel alert

>>76875113
I don’t see how that’s a DYEL thing. Your smaller muscles give out before bigger muscles that’s just how it typically works.

>>76875166
post body and prove me wrong (you won't)

weekly
>400mg test cyp
>100mg trest decanoate

pre-workout
>5mg trest ace
>30mg injectable yk-11

>>76874503
>a stupid gooner breeding fetish
is what incels call sex with a woman?

Is mixing deca and fiansteride really going to rape my hair or is this just fear mongering? Googling it, the top results are a MPMD video on the topic, the second top result his his website talking about the video he posted on the topic, then a bunch of forums asking this same question with answers basically saying whatever Derek said or just posting his video. I haven't seen a single study that suggests you go bald from this, but the fear mongering is insane. I see people say they went bald or some shit but not a single photo of any of these claims. I understand how it works and how they interact which is nice and all, but I've yet to see a single practical application of this happening.

>>76872898
300mg is a cruise dose. 500mg is a cycle dose and has been for decades

250mg of test
3iu of hgh
1.5mg of reta

So I’m on 500mg Sustanon 400mg Primo / week + 20mg Anavar daily. I’ve been very lethargic and honestly it doesn’t even feel like I’m on anything compared to previous similar cycles. Today I bumped the anavar to 50mg and now I’ve got unlimited energy and literally cannot sit still. Anyone have an explanation? This is my first primo cycle and was really disappointed. (Yes all my shit is real)

>>76875790
primo is boring for better or worse

>>76875808
Ah ok, any suggestions for swapping it out for something else or should I just keep the anavar increase? I really like the insane restless energy on cycle because I get so much shit done even outside of lifting.

>>76875834
I wouldnt run that amount of anavar for longer than 8 weeks. If you're early in your cycle stick to the 20mg, otherwise feel free to keep it at 50mg imo.

Getting the Aromasin skin irritation, gonna drop back to twice a week. Do I need anything else for Test E 250mg + Tren E 200mg per week besides AI and possibly Accutane?

>>76875834
Also watch out for foamy urine

>>76876046
Ok, should be fine, I’m on week 4 of 12. Cheers bud.

>>76876149
Have fun. Love anavar.

I'm on week 6 of my first cycle of 500 mg test a week. No AI needed so far, no spicy nips or bloating. Mid cycle bloods next week. I'm on fin to make sure I keep my hair. I started this cycle intending to pct but is it just better to B/C at this point? I am almost certain I will be on cycle again, but I just don't wanna do irreversible damage to my body. Obv I will make sure my bloods and BP are in range but bloods can't pick up everything..

>>76876409
i have no idea how long i can cruise for before i become infertile and ruin my natural production
might just go a full year