>loses a competition to Arnold and 3 other guys>has a mental breakdown >does meth>dies>becomes internet popular 30 years laterWhat is happening? Why is Arnold Schwarzenegger's jannetty suddenly on every fitness reel? Is it just because people want to do 2 sets and go home? Mentzer didn't even train like that in the off-season. He only did that during contest prep.
>>76865547>Is it just because people want to do 2 sets and go home?Yes, that is kinda why. At least, partially. It's a classical example of counter culture. It's the latest fad. "omg look at this new way of training! other people were wrong! this is the new meta!". This combined with the fact that you barely have to train at all makes it a popular trend right now. It will be a matter of time until the next trend comes along.
>>76865547Look how thin their legs are, wtf lol?
>>76865609It's called aesthetics. It was abandoned in the 90s.
>>76865547Mentzer should have won.>t. he's my favorite bodybuilder
>>76865547It all started with tom platz>Platz short clips in all social media about his bicep tear mentzer+arnold story>People find out about mentzer>Find out about the robbery>Wow this guy looks good how did he train>They find the tapes and start spreading short form content with it>Find out about yates and HITSo on so forthAlso yes, people want the magic panacea for muscle growth, most people actually despise lifting
brutally mogged. High volume chads always win
>>76865547>has a mental breakdown>does meth>diesYou already typed the answer with your own two hands, OP.
>>76865831>>76865553>>76865547Sv3rige is right. Most people HATE being in the gym.
>>76865831Fuck, that's literally what happened to me
>>76865609that's what's called proportionally developed legs for the muscle mass they have on their upper bodies. a little something called symmetry and proportion, something elephant legged noodle armed moderns don't care much for
HIT is such bullshit because when you really look into it they are doing the same shit Normal bodybuilder does 4 sets of 8 on the bench press. HIT body builder does 2 "warm up sets" and then 2 "working sets" except the warm up sets are like 80% of 1RM and they are absolutely working sets. At the end of the day he is doing like the same volume as the regular bodybuilder. Except now he has a book to sell
>>76865547Mentzer didn't have a problem with losing a contest. He left the IFBB because he saw it was just a supplement sales racket. Arnold always had a big chest and big peeked biceps which are good for magazine sales. Menter who didn't have the same chest genetics and had much better triceps genetics did not have the physique that Weider knew was the best for selling magazines and supplements. Dickerson, though more deserving of 1st than Arnold, wouldn't have won anyways because Weider believed a white guy on the cover was better for magazine sales (same reason why eventually Oliva was banned). Arnold also had all his friends as the judges, especially Reg Park, and was going to use the contest as promotional material. Moreover, Arnold was nowhere close to his peak. If he was no one would have ever called his placing a scam. But he was nowhere near his peak whereas Dickerson was very close and in better shape than ever before, Mentzer was at his peak, Boyar Coe was arguably at the best physique he'd ever be on stage, only Zane was down 10 lbs that year and perhaps he should've been fifth instead behind Coe and Mentzer. The only who got points during the posedown was Arnold in spite of Arnold often ignoring the judges (something that would get others disqualified) and doing whatever he wanted instead of the mandatories. Side triceps? No thanks, I'll just do Mantis again while hiding legs which, though always a weak point, were still nowhere close to what they were during his peak. Moreover Arnold and Franco's conduct during the contest was often disruptive.Keeping the same order for everyone but Arnold and Zane, a fair contest would have likely ranked >Dickerson>Coe>Mentzer>Zane>Walkerand so on with Arnold disqualified for ignoring the judges.
>>76866271HIT is a scientific training philosophy, not a routine. You out yourself as a gigantic fucking retard that doesn't know what he's talking about when you start talking about sets and reps "comparing" them with some other random routine
>>76865547You forgot to mention how much of an intellectual fart huffer he was. Mentzer is the prototype of the science based influencer, and there’s a direct line from him to kike israel, ironically enough
>>76866314Kike Israel just does reaction content on "studies" that's not science. Mentzer did real science
>>76865831This. You will never see people popularize sheiko's routines since they have you in the gym 4x a week for 2+ hours. Truly the neet's favorite routine.
>>76865547>Mentzer didn't even train like that in the off-season.Train like what? According to everyone who trained with him he did what he said he did. Roger Schwab who trained with him for the entire year before the 1979 and 1980 Mr. Olympia stated he did 3 full body days per week (while Schwab only lifted during two of those days while only spotting during the day while he wasn't) in under 45 minutes. One set per exercise. Moreover every journalist who actually trained with him stated that his workouts only lasted about 45 minutes. He also tried his best to minimize rest times and go from one exercise to the next as quickly as possible (in around 1975 he worked on promoting "cardionics" an attempt to combine cardio and weight training). Either on his split with mostly machines or the three full body days with mostly machines. Mike seemed to be the kind of guy who believed what he said and did what he said unlike the guys who would suck up to Weider to get money for selling supplements. Mentzer was one of the few guys who refused Weider's deals to sell supplements because Mentzer at the time started to believe that they did nothing that food didn't already do and hence were an overpriced scam. If you're referring to the 1995 Heavy Duty II routines, yes. Except, he never trained like that. That routine didn't even exist until 1995. > He only did that during contest prep.It's interesting to note that after a motorcycle accident in the 70's quite a few years before he got back into training, he went on a full body routine with only 5-6 exercises each day, 2 sets to gain back some of the muscle he lost while recovering from his injury. He would do that until competing would require him to pay attention to more muscle groups.
>>76865547Who gives steaming hot turd about a bunch of retarded homos in bikinis who use steroids? At least they aren't fake natty blackpillers telling you it's genetics.
>>76865547Real talk, everyone who actually met Mentzer has described him as a bad sport and a prima donna who couldn't face any criticism on his ideasAmazing physique, but he built that body on high volume training - not with HIT. And he touted his method as the best way for naturals to train while being FULL of gear himself. Intellectually dishonest guy really. Id like to see how much any of the Mentzer ass kissers online are even lifting, or how their physiques look
>>76865609Modern bodybuilders legs are a joke. Arnold legs were 70cm of circumference that is pretty big.
>>76865547>do 2 sets and go homeAs a natural most of your size comes from getting stronger while lifting with good form. You don't need a lot of sets to gain strength. Just the 2-3 warm up/ramp ups into 1-2 top sets with 3-5 good exercises. Doggcrapp is also designed along those lines. 5 exercises per session, alternate between chest/shoulder/back/tris and biceps/forearms/legs and do 1-2 sets per exercise with 2-4 warmup/ramp up sets. >Squats>Deads>Rows>Chins>Curls>Triceps extension>OHP>Heel raise>An exercise or two for the forearmsReally all you need to get strong and put on most of your size. Split them up between two days, 2 sets, maybe three at most, and there you go. You have your routine. >>76865831John Little was posting about Mike Mentzer on youtube long before Platz's shorts were floating around.>>76866321>sheikoOh you mean one of those Russian coaches? The same group of coaches known to claim they did all sorts of bullshit they never did after they won a competition to try to get the other coaches to injure their athletes for an advantage?
>>76866354>The same group of coaches known to claim they did all sorts of bullshit they never did after they won a competition to try to get the other coaches to injure their athletes for an advantage?I've heard this multiple times but I've never seen the contextpls elaborate
>>76866464Every single piece of advice a russian coach has given to a journalist, author, a non-soviet coach, etc since the 50's when the only thing they really did was juice their athletes.
>>76866539>>76866354>deliberately giving bad advice to your competitionpretty sure arnie did that too and bragged about it laterdude is a major sociopath
>>76865609They weren't trying to be mass monsters back then.
>>76865609I actually like this old look. Particularly no oversized grotesque quads. And higher body fat too.
>>76865609Thickness of the legs comes from the adductors. To make it grow, you need a wider squat stance. That stance also grows the vastus lateralis more. Most of those guys spent most of their time doing squats with a narrow stance. In Mentzer's case who was known to do leg press, also did so with a narrow stance. They also did at best something like 400 lbs for 10. No one really did those high rep all out squats until Tom Platz. Tom did barbell squats like an olympic lifter for 20-25, maybe even more reps, and then did hackenschmidt style squats (with a particular technique) on the hacksquat machine which emphasized both adductors and vastus lateralis. Most bodybuilders today tend to emulate Platz in some way. Arnold and Mentzer both had proportionally longer legs (with longer femurs) which, even with size, tends to result in narrower legs that taper better as the vastus lateralis is stretched across a longer distance. Arnold in particular has underdeveloped legs in 1980 which is one of the complaints most of the body builders from then (small legs and soft back with weak triceps develompent) often make and had bigger legs in his prime (74-75). Whereas short-legged lifter have short vastus which then looks wider in proportion because it's the same amount of muscle, but over a shorter distance. This results in the typical clown-leg look as many modern bodybuilders, especially in open, have shorter femurs and average or shorter than average legs (5'4" as well). Also there are a lot of androgen receptors in the quads. Higher doses, the more they blow up. This is why I believe they were on relatively lower doses in the 70's. Enough to get bigger arms and chest, but not enough to really make the quads blow up.
>>76866900I have to add that wideness of legs in modern bodybuilders is also due to how they pose. They often pose with a lot of external rotation about the hip which puts the leg into a position where you can really see the contours of the vastu lasteralis to get the full clown leg look. Even Tom Platz did it to get the full clown leg look. It's no coincidence however that Platz was no taller than. (pic related is him pictured with Mike Mentzer who was 5'8", wikipedia claims Platz is 5'7 and wait for the lols.... 29/32"! In the pic it looks like Mentzer has 2-3" on him). Really short guys like the modern Olympia competitors and Tom Platz tend to get the clown leg look instead of the smoother taper someone like Arnold, Zane, Mentzer, etc. get.
>>76866912Here's a pic of Platz doing the clown leg pose in the 80's. Knees turned out with external rotation in the hip: clown legs. Knees turned in like a normal person, not so clownish.
>>76866915Here's Arnold at his peak. Even with 28" quads, he's nowhere close to clown legs because he's not short guy and has long femurs.
>>76866919Here's Bumstead. Even with the oversized quads, he looks nowhere near as clownish as the manlets in open because he has long femurs and has more than 6" in height advantage on them. In summary: aesthetic legs are only possible if you're taller than average (5'8" to 5'10" in most places) with longer than average legs. If you are shorter than average like the Olympia open manlets, you will have clownlegs.
>>76866900This is a very well informed thoughtful post. Where the fuck do you think you are?
>>76866539>>76866821why are europeans so psychopathic and underhanded
>>76865553>It will be a matter of time until the next trend comes along.And that trend will be ANTI-HIT because people in general are ABSOLUTELY FUCKING HORRIBLE at working out to failure.
>>76866954This is /sci/ is it not?
>>76865547Damn, Mike mogs Arnold so hard here. Way ahead in development. Mike really was robbed
>>76866965>And that trend will be ANTI-HIT because people in general are ABSOLUTELY FUCKING HORRIBLE at working out to failure.True, instead of 4 puss sets it'll be 1 puss set (slightly harder) and won't work, but it works if you do it right.
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>>76865547Shabbat goy
>>76866309Delusional. Arnold made everyone else look like a child.
>>76866331Mentzer built his physique with classic high volume hypertrophy training. He still trained like that in the off-season. He only did his HIT during contest prep. In contrast, Arnold famously went off everything after a show did 2-3 45-minute workouts per week and upped the volume (and gear) during contest prep.
>>76866975Manlet cope lmao.
>>76866975Mentzer had a bird chest and was overall too small even next to this subpar version of Arnold.
>>76865547He was right though. I visit gym twice a week and have been doing so for a year and a half. Gained 12kgs and have better progress than gymcels who go there 6 days a week. Do you even realize your body needs time ro regenerate? Do cuts on your body heal in a day?
>>76867675Yes, small cuts literally heal in a day.Your anecdotal evidence isn't super impressive when we have scientific studies showing that higher volume and frequency are better.
>>76867675Post body.
>>76865547its just manlet shit. they thought they could defeat a 6'2 chad? lmaooooooo
>>76867682I doubt the difference is sufficient. Even if that's true, gaining additional couple kilos to your muscle mass by wasting your life in a gym is retarded. I'd rather do something more productive with my life (like meth or jerking off to brown girls).
>>76867682>Yes, small cuts literally heal in a day.Even paper cuts don't heal that fast. Now, how about you cut yourself with a knife (not skin, meat) and you show the class how fast your body heals?
>>76867689Well that's where we can find common ground
>>76865547>objectively looks better than arnold in that picturehe probably would have won if he had been willing to suck off the judges or something. body building is so fucking gay it's unbelievable.
>>76867697He objectively looks tiny next to Arnold.
>>76867711He looks tiny because he is a manlet. But in terms of actual body building he looks more impressive.
>>76867719In what way? Arnold has him easily beat in chest, arms and sheer size. Legs go to Mike, but that's about it.
>>76866912lmao look at these twinks
>>76867772>shows up to the gym once maybe twice a week>casually uses meth occasionally (allegedly)>does only one set to complete failure>looks better than arnold in during rigged competitions>leaves without elaborating
>>76865547Its just the pendulum moving in the other direction.With people now shitting on SBL (the same people that used to track their rest times etc), they need to do the exact opposite.Not understanding that maybe the fact why there are so many good bodybuilders with different approached is, because its an individual thing and doesnt work in the same way universally for everyone
>>76867675Yes you are so correct and all the bodybuilders that did higher volume in the last 20 years have just magically gotten into shape because of le gear they all would be bigger if they trained like dr. mike or even you
>>76867806>looks better than arnold in during rigged competitionsThis is one competition after arnold had been out of the olympia already, he decided to go into it way too late and wasnt in shape, he didnt win it because it was actually rigged, he win it because it was rigged by design. He didnt pay someone off, they just all liked arnold more and he has the objectively better proportions.Mentzer in the best shape he could get in, wouldnt have a shit on arnold in his prime.And I also believe that mentzer should have won that one, I also think Arnold is a piece of shit for participating in this show. But overall arnold was just a way better bodybuilder than mentzer couldve ever been. and that is without a question
>>76865831roidtrannies meme workout only works for roidtannies.
>>76867806You forgot:>gets mind-broken by Arnold >becomes a junkie>dies
>>76867837>While many experts agree that you need to work out at least weekly to build muscle mass, this study looked at the frequency of workouts and indicated that the difference between working out 6 times a week and 3 times a week was minimal.https://www.chicagoathleticclubs.com/blog/how-often-should-you-go-to-the-gymI don't argue that you in theory can gain somewhat more that way, but unless you are a professional who makes money from it, you have no reason to train every day, because the difference is negligible. If I visit my gym to become more attractive to females, what's the point of this if I have no time to actually talk/meet with girls, because I spent almost all my free time among roided monkeys 6/7 after work and on Sundays I'm too tired to do anything? I'd rather gain 12kg in 18 month training twice a week and spending the rest doing different hobbies than 14kg at the same period while doing nothing but lifting iron. Kind of pointless existance, don't you think?
>>76867867Who were the subjects of the study? Bodybuilders on 5 grams of gear or soccer moms?
>>76865553>"omg look at this new way of training! other people were wrong! this is the new meta!">>76865850>High volume chads always win>>76866271>HIT is such bullshit because when you really look into it they are doing the same shit>>76866314>Mentzer is the prototype of the science based influencer, and there’s a direct line from him to kike israel, ironically enoughYou steaming actual Niggerbrained turboturds.
>>76866919>>76866928tom mogs them their legs look fucking gross and lack thickness cry more lanklet faggot
>>76867867>If I spend 3 out of 168 hours in the gym and lift for girls, I'm a well-rounded person with a shining personality and meeting girls most of the other hours>If I spend 6 out of my 168 hours in the gym however, I am a disgusting gymcel roid monkey with no other hobbies living a pointless existenceCope, sour grapes, rationalisation, argumentum ad absurdum, mere stupidty, choose whatever.
>>76867682>Your anecdotal evidence isn't super impressive when we have scientific studies
>>76867905>hoursWhat? Not hours. Days. My gym session is 2 hours. I work wagie job for standard 8 hours, 1 hour break. At gym day, I return home after working out around 9 pm. I cook and wash myself. It's now 10pm. I scroll news or watch some YouTube slop for an hour. Then sleep. I do this twice a week. Now imagine if I have to do this almost every day.
>>76867922>haha stupid gymcel nolife roid monkeys working out 5 times per week for an hour, pathetic, when do they fuck>well yeah my gym sessions are two hours long and I add another hour of watching youtube slopThe point is that you're drawing a difference of night and day just to look down on others when in reality, you're just rationalising and could easily fit in two more quick workouts on the weekend without anything in your life changing; or cut your sessions shorter, come home at 8 and still have time to go out for dinner with a girl every single day of the week. Which I by the way doubt is how you're using your precious free time
>>76867981Even if I did it 1 hour it wouldn't change much. You still need time to get to the gym, switch to the gym clothes, etc. Wasted time. 2 hours is a purified time period I lift irons. Obviously, 6 days a week even 1 hour less would result in much more wasted time a week.Look, I don't get why you are so angry at me for no reason. I told you what I experienced and backed it by studies. You and others did not. Those are facts.A newbie in the first year gains around 10kg of pure muscle mass. Going just twice a week for 2 hours of pure working out I gained almost the same amount, just like the guy hitting a gym 6 days a week for 1 hour. Though I can't imagine how you can properly lift for just one hour. Almost all my gym aquintances spent 2 hours in a gym too. We go in and leave at the same time. They visit more often than I do though, like 4 times a week, but than again their results isn't that different from mine as well and I'm actually outperforming some of them.Or you are just butthutt you have waisted years at a gym while some other guy did not and had the same results as you?
>>76868022I have no issue with doing less frequency, I'm all for pareto principle and don't think the difference is huge.I just don't know why you get so insecure that you need to turn that around into not just claiming your method is superior (because the body needs to regenerate) but going off the rails about gymcels and roidmonkeys just because they're in the gym like 30% more time than you and how you're using the rest of the time to fuck women, which, come on..It was just funny how you took such a marginal difference in lifestyle choices to go from 0 to 100 in putting yourself above others.That all aside, actually curious what you do in the gym for 2 hours. I do legit 20 exercises, a third of them compounds with 3 min rest, and I'm still out in 90 min
>>76868043>go from 0 to 100 in putting yourself above others.I didn't. That was the usual imageboard banter. One of the reasons I pinned a frog to my post. I don't take banter to my side seriously as well, and expect other to do the same. Obviously if someone wants to hit a gym 6 times a week - then that's his choice. I just find it pointless for 99% of people, especially if end results aren't that much different.>That all aside, actually curious what you do in the gym for 2 hours.I'm an ESL, so I don't know how those exercices are called in English. I do triceps, chest, stomach and shoulders on the first day. Bicepcs, forearms, back and legs on the seconds. ~20-25 types of exercises in summ, 3-4 sets with 10-12 reps per exercise, 4-5 minutes to rest between sets. I constantly try to increase weights, which I think is the reason why I outperform some of my aquintances, because they are stuck on the same weight for far to long. That's pretty much it.
>>76868065>I do triceps, chest, stomach and shoulders on the first day. Bicepcs, forearms, back and legs on the seconds.1/week frequency only works well if you're on gear. Well meaning efficient or fast; could be fine if you want to be jacked in 15 years.
>>76867820The underlying principles of muscle developed does work the exact same way for every single person. That is one of the key principles of HIT training. The only variables come from how each individual tolerates the stress, recovery, and muscle building aspects. But it's all the same. Sufficiently work the muscle to trigger adaption, recover, then grow. There is no human being on earth for whom this is not true
>>76868143>The underlying principles of muscle developed does work the exact same way for every single person. That is one of the key principles of HIT training. The only variables come from how each individual tolerates the stress, recovery, and muscle building aspectsYes the underlying principle may be the same, but when every other principle is variable the underlying principle is completely useless.
>>76868143>>76868163Why don’t you queers get a room
>>76868163>every other principlethere are no other principles other than sufficiently stress the muscle, recovery from the stress, and then muscle growth. why do ESLs try to have difficult conversations without understanding the language?
>>76868183>difficult conversation>without understanding the languageI feel very sorry for you that this is what you think of as semantically challenging.Go fucking suck a big fat scienced based cock
>>76867902Found the seething manlet coping about his clown legs.
https://youtu.be/3Ruob57hX18?si=rnNLCLJ0v-X9yAZwhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qF1lZ4faRIU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a6dlxxoJnEU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q_y-9Z8pnSA&https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_6P2iGguD-ghttps://youtu.be/8Cx6K1_na0k?
>>76867894Dorian didn’t get like that doing menters training. Try again
>>76868752Dorian said so in his book.
>>76865547I was surprised when I found out he died decades ago. Always thought it was him pushing this meme cult around himself.He was nowhere near Arnold, no one was. Even a downsized out of shape Arnold was outmassing everyone. I don't know what kind of warped view people have that say Arnold shouldn't have won because of aesthetics or proportions or something, Arnold has the best shape ever and he was beating everyone at every single muscle. Conditioning shouldn't be enough for him to lose even with modern criteria, and he wasn't even that behind.>>76866900>there are a lot of androgen receptors in the quadsI thought it was the other way around and it's a rather non androgenic muscle and it works differently, that's why you have those subpar white bodybuilders like Platz or Ben Pakulski who can grow their legs infinitely with insulin and stuff but blacks have way better upper bodies. But maybe that's just my naive idea of good upper body more manly, thick legs like woman.>>76866928He had the typical modern blown up looking adductor heavy clown legs, one of the reasons I hate the "Classic" category, nothing classic about his physique.But agree with you on clown legs, I will even say undersized legs look better than oversized legs and Franco deserved his 1981 win.
>>76866271It's actually one warmup set (60% 1rm) then one working set (80% 1rm AMRAP), two sets or one depending on your definition of a strict setDepending on how many reps you do on the first set it might as well be a working oneIt's way less volume
>>76866269>a little something called symmetry and proportionSad what "body building" turned into over the years.
>>76868752>Dorian didn’t get like that doing menters training. Try againNice cope, Israetel. What the fuck do you think "Blood & Guts" is all about?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3qN2cc8_gNw
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>>76868801>>76869084>>76869086>>76869092Mentzer did not invent “going to failure”
>>76869101>Mentzer did not invent “going to failure”Who the fuck here said he did? Did I? You're done, stop coping and admit you've wasted your time training like an ego meathead retard, and learn about why you're failing
>>76866309>Mentzer didn't have a problem with losing a contest. >He left the IFBB because he saw it was just a supplement sales racketI agree with everything else you've said, but it seems to me like Mentzer went along with it until he stood on that Olympia stage and lost. Then, then he left and burned the bridge.
