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I give up on back workouts. I can’t do them without targeting my biceps or triceps. I don’t want to ruin a recovery day after I go hard on my arms.
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>>76868038
didn't ask
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>>76868038
If you feel deadlifts in your biceps, you're retarded even for /fit/ standards
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>>76868038
>lats
Elbows down more than perpendicular
>triceps
Back you can do like 2-4 sets 2-4x/wk and add some supplementary shit for say rhomboids traps etc. It's basically upper body legs. Also try wide grip cable rows if you're already doing all bb row variants and pullups/pulldowns etc. Back is just easier pushes they're bigger and more resilient muscles anatomy wise than pushes idk how you possibly maxed out chest and delts but not lats traps extensors rear delts, upper chest and rhomboids you get the point just learn more movements and add them to your routine this is a stupid ass post.
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drive thru elbows more sissy
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>>76868038
>Constant bro mires for my shoulders
>Dude you're so lucky
>What's your secret bro seriously
>Can't target my pecs to save my life
Life. She is sweet but she is cruel, no?
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get figure 8 straps and relax your hands
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>>76868050
This anon. Plus work on your mind muscle connection. Feel your trap contracting, focus on that feeling, and focus on moving in a way that maximizes that feeling.
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>>76868178
*lat I meant
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>>76868038
Get straps, cheat on your form, do arms on your leg day.
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>>76868050

>back is just easier

you can brute force ur push day and still grow chest. not gonna happen with back. it's not moving things from a to b like you do with ur push workout. even a simple lat pull down involves 4 movements. the best way to start back workout is understanding shoulder blades movements and build up ur active rom from there. i wanna see what kind of back you have with this kind of statement. post ur back.
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>>76868038
>recovery day
there's your problem
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>>76868248
What chu mean? We need recovery days or else we won’t grow.
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>another dyel bites the dust
More mires for me. I find doing biceps at the end of pull/back works great.
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>>76868239
I guess there's more muscles but different grips, angles, roms(for example high unilateral rows are the only way for me to grow rear delts along with flies pushing like a hammer fist with the side of the hand. Lat bar cable high rows for upper, reverse bb rows and narrow pullups/ego lat bar. And it's pretty easy I've always done pullups every now and then even when I wasn't lifting so getting serious into lifting it was the first area to grow significantly, androgen receptors and muscle maturity etc. I do have a pretty big back i cant even use a lot of back pl8 machines so yeah if you wanna go high vol/freq I'm sure it works I've never had to try much besides like 3-10 sets on most every session/hard back day. Oh and different shrugs/dls and stretching on pulls.
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>>76868239
What I want is huge rear delts, I'm on rows and pulldowns at the end of the rep plus chest supported flies but I think I could be getting better gains. I'll have to try different scapular positions I already kind of do something similar like doing a stiff arm tricep kickback kinda thing sometimes all the way to Y raises for shoulder health.
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>>76868046
Not him but alternating grip DL puts heavy strain on your biceps (underhand grip bicep). Dudes tear their biceps all the time lifting like that. Why I do double overhand.



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