>primarily works your front delt, which already tends to be overdeveloped from bench press>good for basically nothing else>isolation work builds your shoulders betterWhat is even the point of doing this? Literally any other exercise is better for the muscles worked if you're looking for hypertrophy. Who gives a fuck about their front delts? Why is this a staple in workouts?
It's for pressing your girlfriend over your head and lowering her dick into your mouth
Overrated by who? I lift 5 days a week and see maybe one person per week doing ohp.Ohp is a good overall strength builder and test of power. If you have a big Ohp you are a well rounded lifter. It is nearly a full body lift. A weak core, poor stability, or poor technique... And the lift falls apart.But to get back to my first point... Hardly anyone does ohp these days and it is indeed a bad lift if hypertrophy is your goal.
>>76869665no I like it but it’s hard on the lower back if you don’t have perfect form
>>76869665>primarily works your front delt, which already tends to be overdeveloped from bench presslook mom I can parrot youtubers!
I dgaf what science based shit says, or what gay muscle diagrams sayHeavy standing OHP absolutely builds the fuck out of all sorts of upper body musclesTo name a few: delts, traps, rhomboids, lats, triceps, erectors and absIf you can’t feel it working those muscles it’s because you’re weak and you’re not moving any weight. Anyone who can ohp 160lbs plus for 5 sets of 8 WILL have significant muscle mass in all of those areas, even in the absence of any other isolations
it's very unnatural most heavy pushing is done at an angle and not directly overhead I injured my thoracic spine and am lucky my shoulders aren't fucked from doing this autistic shit. if I could murder everyone pushing it I would
>>76869918Wow... You just made me realize that an upper back nerve pain I used to have pretty much went away when I stopped overhead pressing.
>>76869665Post body
>>76869831>rhomboidsI can attest to this since I got a rhomboid injury while overhead pressing once
>>76869665I don't know why I can't make any progress with OHP. I always got to lift light with OHPs. What exercises do I got to do to fix this?
>>76869831I could ohp 165 within month of training and all I got was spinal disorders no gains
>>76870527Hypertrophy work. every time my OHP stalls I have to go do shrugs and whutnot for a couple of weeks.
>>76869665Why the fuck would you ever do anything other than dumbell OHP? It hits the side and rear delts while being much better for the rotator cuff than lateral raises and works the stabilizers much better.
>>76869665Why do guys don't press always have shit shoulders then? Proof? You still haven't posted yours.
>>76870563This, OHP is god mode but should always be with dumbbells.95% of lifters have no reason to use a bar ever desu
I like them because you just lift the bar and it's easy to get into position. On top of the it is just fucking fun and feels awesome to lift a heavy bar above your head. Heavy dumbells get unwieldy to get into position. I like both but given the choise I'll use the bar and do flies for rest of the delts.
>>76869665you don't have overdeveloped front delts
>>76869831Based. Idgaf what some fat ass science-based nerd says, OHP is a high test lift.
>>76869665I would have done it if it wasn't for the chandelier. A Jotunn's chandelier, it prevents me from lifting the barbell, I'm afraid of breaking it.
>>76869665>good for basically nothing elseIf you play GURPS your ST determines your basic lift stat, which is your 1RM single arm dumbbell OHP weight. So if you know your 1RM for OHP you can divide in half (for single arm) and calculate your theoretical strength in GURPS.The point of this is one time I put a lot of points into STR so I could have a STR 16 character and the GM gave me a ton of shit about how 16 is a totally unrealistic strength level for a human and I pointed out that IRL little old me is a STR 16 and almost a STR 17 and invited him to the gym if he doesn't believe me. He backed down. The basic set character book implies STR 16 is some kind of nationally known olympic competitor lifter, but its ... not. I might be stronger than 99% of the human population out in the world, but I'm not THAT strong.So DYELs and normies think the primary measure of strength is the OHP. OK then. Also for functional fitness, "heavy stuff on high shelves" is a real issue.
>>76869665>yeah uhmmm what is the point of grabbing some heavy shit and lifting it above your head?You're such a fag lol
>>76870550>Lifts medium man weight>Spine is obliteratedTransition immediately. This lift is for men who have to shave their triceps only.
>>76870550>I'll take what is (poor) push press for $500, Alexa
>>76871486/thread
>>76869665>Weak man shittalks overall strength indicator Welcome to /fit/, all repliers. This thread is made daily
>>76869831>it just builds muscle because, it just does okay!
>>76869665Bench pressing is overrated.It's much easier to target the right muscles with a dumbbell press and you can train until failure without a spotter and without the risk of crushing your neck in half
Barbell OHP is the greatest indicator of overall upper body strength. If you can STRICT press your bodyweight, or even 80-90% of your bodyweight, you are objectively strong.People who repeat the meme that it’s only a front delt exercise obviously aren’t fully locking out the movement at the top. If you hold a heavy locked out OHP for 5-10 seconds, your entire shoulder muscle group along with your upper traps/back, abs and serratus muscles will be on fire.
>>76870563>>76870587I spend more energy getting them up into position
>>76869665I don't even know what it does. I make zero progress on it, but that might be because I do it after my main lift and on a standard 3x8 -> 9,2x8, 2x9,8, 3x9 "progression" that accomplishes nothing.I do it to balance out pull ups and so I can free-standing HSPU.>>76870587Same, I do 60s/hand so they aren't hard to get into position when doing them standing
>>76869665Because it's fun, dipshit.
>>76871887Il glad you understood.Let me reiterate:If somone can OHP their body weight for 3 sets of 3, strip them of their bodyfat and they WILL have a lot of upper body and shoulder muscle irrespective of whether they even do accessories or not.If you’re arguing anything different, then it’s equivalent to saying that heavy back squats don’t build muscle.
> I'm 32 now and I've first done OHP at 13 for football practice> Workout on & off since, always OHP> Never do other shoulder exercises ever> 220 lbs BW 6'4", can OHP 225x2> Huge wingspan so I go very high> Have huge striated shoulders> Never had an injury or ever even felt bad in my shoulders All these people crying about injuries, it's 100% a skill issue
>>76870563Because there becomes a point in which it becomes a meme workout. If you enjoy it and it works for you.... Go for it. But at that point you're fighting stabilization as much as the weight itself. Lower stability has its benefits but it's questionable when you're doing standing and dumbells, it's one step away from also standing on a bosu ball
>>76870563I don't use dumbbells. Do they make 75+ lb dumbbells? Do they make dumbbells in small enough increments to keep your progression going?
>>76870587So you're not squatting or deadlifting? Let's see your physique
>>76872100Exactly my pointI’m not a heavy boy like you but I’m also 6’4 (about 200lb) and I’ve only ever overhead pressed for shoulders, my best I think was 205 for 1 repMy shoulders are definitely developed enough that people notice them and ontop of that I do nothing else specific for traps or abs either and they’re also good enough
>>76872134October 2021 I was 173 lbs, I've been bulking hard this entire time, I'm shooting for 240 lbs. I put on 1 lbs per month, almost no body fat at all (though I did work this week, I'm usually 220 lbs).
>>76872150Good work,I think that the people who don’t like to do OHP just find it hard and difficult to plan progression… but like you I did it from a young age and it was always one of my favorites
>>76869665i can't bench because it hurts my elbows
OHP is lowkey the most important lift for building overall upper body strength and a solid frame.
>>76869665But no one does it.
OHP is the wet pussy lift. Women always eyefuck dudes pressing heavy shit overhead.
>>76869665I don't care, I love it.I swear the mix of upper muscles from deltoid, pec major, and traps are exercised enough to minimize or even hide my clavicles.
>>76871894There’s no risk of crushing yourself benching either if you just roll the bar down to your waist instead of trying to rerack but I agree dumbbell press is far superior, way deeper stretch and forces you to use more muscles to stabilize the weights
>>76872127Yes and yes. My adjustables go up to 122.5 each and can go up in increments of 2.5. I’ve seen some that go 150+ as well
>>76872106>But at that point you're fighting stabilizationBut that's good. If you aren't developing accessories and stabilizers as much as possible the strength you're developing is only for the gym and not for things you might need it for outside of that.
>>76872386To each their own. I agree with you to an extent. Barbell ohp requires a lot of stabilization on its own though is my gripe.
>OHP doesn't really feel like it works anything>It stalls forever>It's a semi cope lift by people who don't have the coordination or technique to do actual olympic shit like clean and jerks or snatches but>it's fairly fun >it scares off zoomers>it's kind of like a good scotch, it takes a long ass time to develop, and you literally cannot do them heavy if you haven't been doing them for years and yearsit's one of those things, I can't really tell you why I'm doing them, I guess they work SOMETHING in the shoulders, but it's fun and doing them heavy is even more fun
>>76870563>>76870587Alright, I guess I'll use dumbbells today.
>>76870587Why would you want to use dumbbells for OHP? Not only heavier DBs are snap-prone when you want to get them into position but they're also limiting your range of motion, the outer parts of the DB will touch your shoulders way sooner than if you used a barbell.
>>76872449Not him but if you're going really heavy you would do one DB at a timeThat way you can use the other hand to help it up and balance during the rep, and you can rotate freely to help the DB go up in the groove
>>76872449>>76872567Acktchually, real uberchads use the seated shoulder press machine.Ascended GODS do viking press thoughever
I've tried the meme dumbell shoulder hypertrophy bodybuilding shitcercizesohp just feels better, and I get a better pump, and my triceps get engagedI think it's 100 percent superior to any other shoulder exercise
>>76869692holy based
>>76872100>220 lbs BW 6'4", can OHP 225x2Pic? I'm same age/height/weight and my OHP is nowhere close. Delts are huge though
Anybody else get a quad pump doing these?
>>76872612Yeah same. I'm at like 150x5 and it's not exactly going up fast.
>>76872449>the outer parts of the DB will touch your shoulders way sooner than if you used a barbell.With dumbbells I'm at joint lock shoulders and elbows and it's not touching my shoulder. Doesn't even matter how it's angled but ymmv.
>>76872625>Anybody else get a quad pump doing these?Do you not know you're push pressing?
>>76872386In the real world, when you need to put a heavy object on a high shelf, you do it with two hands--unless you're a sub-80 IQ nigger.
>>76872899julian fitzgerald training. jpg
>>76872899>>76872903lol
>>76872386>>76872899>>76872903Don't be this guyhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eNq0N32m-mg
>>76872935>>76872903I didn't watch the whole video but wheels was looking so fucking exhausted with that smarmy retard. I loved when he started correcting wheels on his pushdown form though.
>>76872956kek, it's like the best joey bee video, larry is just like wow huh, you've got 19 inch arms natty and so do I lol, and you have such great conditioning for a natty lolin a half serious tone like insinuating how insane it isit's actually insane that he tried to correct larry on the pulldown form
>>76872959pushdownbut yea there's no way I could watch this without joey bee's commentary, buddy went into the trenches on this one lol
Agreed, it's redundant & high risk. Bench & dip works everything it focuses on with way less wear and tear.
>>76872989Those work your side and rear shoulders? your traps?
>>76872989More people fuck their shoulders doing bench and ESPECIALLY dips than have ever fucked themselves doing OHP.
>>76872612Not him, but I’m 6’4 200lbs and can OHP 205I can do 5 sets of 12 with 135lb, standing barbell OHP, no cheating. And I’ve never really done any accessories for delts or traps Critique my physique all you want, I won’t be offended I’m just telling you what I do
>>76873497>Critique my physique all you want, I won’t be offended I’m just telling you what I do>what I dodidn't mention the "TRT"
>>76873533Def no TRT,Don’t need it, I’m 700+ naturally still at age 39, But I am considering blasting next year, but for now - natty except creatine
I know this thread is bait, but can anyone here explain to me why they think that raw power alone is enough for a bench press?
>>76873587I’d try to explain if I understood what you’re asking
>>76873595I'd like to ask how you stabilize the weight during the press but cannot OHP at least 70% of your bench.
>>76873606Still very un clear what you’re asking,In my case I think I can OHP at least 70% of my bench, I haven’t done a 1rm bench for a while… but if I guess, I’d say I can OHP a bit more than 70%Bench is easier because you’re laying down and also using pec involvement so you can move more weight I had a friend who was into Olympic lifting and he had never bench pressed. We tested his bench 1rm one day and he got over 350 lbs… how’s that for raw power
>>76873631>In my case I think I can OHP at least 70% of my benchThis isn't about you, this is about retards ITT who somehow can push weight that they cannot stabilize, how? It's simply impossible without a smith machine.
>>76869665Nope, it’s based. Your shoulders are probably weak. It also works all 3 heads
>>76872625So everyone ITT:>uses smith machines to cheat their "bench press">skips leg days>gets random pains during OHP because they shouldn't be pushing that much weightlol
>>76870550>I pushed with garbage form more weight than I could handle. This must clearly be the basic movement pattern’s fault
>>76873637>probablyLmao, I cannot believe this thread is real.How do barbellfags not know such basics of strength?I'll stick to dumbbells just to avoid this association.
>>76873634Why would you assume anyone is lifting weight they can't stabilize? That makes no sense
>>76869831I agree. Also, it is a true full-body expression of strength. The lifter has to brace through their entire body which has great strength benefits. Overhead press is to the upper-body what squats are to the lower-body.
>>76872100I would say it is a skill issue but not a technique issue. I swear most listers do not know how to brace and build tension in their body while lifting. That is what protects the body from injury.
>>76869665>LiterallyStopped reading there
>>76873890Modern gyms are full of machines, all of which are inferior to free weights.
>>76873651Cool non-argument. Dumbbells are fine for this though.youll just progress slower
>>76874100>muh progress speedWhy would I give a fuck how long it takes to do something I'll do my whole life you worthless subhuman.
>>76869665The best way to gett your overhead press up is military press and supplementary work. I don't know why anyone would prefer overhead to even mp on a flat bench.
>>76874137To press more, you need to press more.
>>76874148I have been liking prison reps+flies 50/50-20/80 after the heavy day and to extend the bodybuilding period of the lifting week.
