>>76881634
Timely thread, I just pinned my first dose of Retatrutide (0.5 mg) about an hour ago. It's probably way too early for sides/symptoms to show up but I feel a bit lightheaded and extremely minor nausea. I think this is just because I hadn't eaten in like 10 hours and had a tiny breakfast this morning and a tiny dinner last night - but in case it's not, is this what you feel like after pinning every time?

>>76881634
How does one find a reputable seller. I'm fat and want to stop being fat.

>>76881661
Am in the netherlands btw

>>76881634
what are some good peptides for women with low viralization? and can the muscle be kept after cycle with training and enough food? talked to a guy recently that said he gained like 15 lbs of muscle on cycle but his gains were completely temporary, i don’t see the point of that desu

>>76881634
driada stopped shipping to ireland
where dafuq am i supposed to get my shit now
i don't want indian labs don't recommend that shit to me

>>76881661
>>76881667
I'm trans too if that matters

>>76882076
Don't ever mention that shit here you will be spammed with 41% and never receive an actual answer

>>76881661
>>76881667
>>76882076
Ok here’s the simple of it. Most sellers are getting their product from either china (like 80-90%) and the rest “made in USA.” They’ll provide COAs (certificate of analysis) as their test results, and they’ll test for various things. The more reputable testers are Janoshik as you can confirm the test in their website unlike someone uploading a PDF/image of their “lab results” which are highly suspect.

However, know that the markup on those are insanely high. You’re better off going straight to the Chinese manufacturers, and there are some that even test their stuff on Jano. You’re likely to have these ship to wherever.

As for fat loss - get on a GLP-1. Since you’re in the Netherlands it’s likely you can get it legal and cheaply, and I recommend tirzepatide as it’s super powerful for weight loss and eating dysfunction. I’m on it - I have very few sides but that’s highly person dependent. Wait for retatrutide to be out officially before buying it, but if you’re feeling risky get it from a Chinese manufacturer or a third party. Either of them are great but tirz is the most powerful punch for appetite suppression.

After that you could look into tesamorelin or other HGH secretagogues (sermorelin etc.) as tesa specifically helps with visceral fat and it has good research and an FDA approved version (egrifta).

>>76882278
To add to this, most of the peptide sellers are same guys selling gear. Actual hgh is better than the peptide derivatives

It's PEPTIDE general, not nigger fat loss drug general

>>76882828
glp-1s are peptides retard

Retatrutide makes my acne break out. Is that the glucogan agonist releasing all that shit stored up in my fat cells ever since I was a teen?

>>76881667
bgpharma is the most reputable one in Europe

>>76882081
kill yourself newfag

>>76882282
Confirmed. Just take HGH if you want more growth hormone. It's under 0.70 per IU.

>>76882828
Are you like RFK where you hate everything that actually works?

Anybody got a Chinese manufacturer selling PT-141?

>>76882076
it so matters, queen.

>>76882081
lol new

>>76884041
>>76884633
glp-1as are about the most boring class of peptides you could think of, there is little to discuss about them and they work

You guys are using peptide pens and filtering your peptides right?

>>76886153
Nah, aint nobody got time for that. I pin the raw lyophilized powder into my testicles with a 20g 3" syringe.

>>76882076
Kys. Seriously.
>>76882081
You too

>>76881634
Honestly, I used to fuck around with that shit, basically wanting to do anything but roids, then I tries enclomiphene and it makes all that other shit seem fucking pointless. My T levels were normal but if you're a regular healthy guy enclomiphene will basically make your nads produce as much T as they possibly can constantly. No you're not gonna be at roid levels, but you will be at peak dialed in natty levels consistently and that is still a game changer for most dudes.

>>76886246
Peptides are not really meant for people who want to roid, although some use them that way which is just plain delusional.

On enclo - did you see any sides, and/or can you share your general experience with "feeling" the higher test as a result? I know because it can have a type of runaway effect and actually tank your estro, it's a little unwieldy.

>>76886246
enclo tanks gh

>>76882278
>After that you could look into tesamorelin or other HGH secretagogues (sermorelin etc.) as tesa specifically helps with visceral fat and it has good research and an FDA approved version (egrifta).

You know I have looked into this and Tessanorelin is kind of full of shit. Both compounds are basically identical. In terms of GH levels. There is no magical visceral fat property to tessamorelin they both worth through GH. Tessamorelin just gets dosed twice as high as sermorelin and retards think that means it’s twice as strong lol

Is reta all people make it out to be?

>>76886322
gymbros on youtube are shills and work with peptide resellers to hype it up, but reta is very much an amazing peptide. however know that you already have good options like tirzepatide available, and reta does offer some other benefits but it's not "le miracle above and beyond the other two glps"

the gymbros are mainly overstating its importance because it can spare muscle mass more than the other two glps, but the main issue with this rhetoric is that the clinical studies of all three are mainly done on people who are /not/ taking control of their diet and exercise, and so the results don't show people who could be doing more to spare their muscle mass, or even people who exercise. in fact, when you look at the profiles of people who gain the weight back, it's almost always because these people did not do anything substantial to change their habits on glp-1s. glp drugs are, in my opinion, more about resetting dietary/metabolic dysfunction, and they actually allow a psychological reset as well that one could take advantage of but few do. in other words, they can help you reset your relationship with food and even other vices.

>>76881634
Is it a bad idea to take a small break on dosage?
Currently on 2.5mg of Tirzepatide and have been for a month. It's weird but I'm a week late on my last dose but my hunger hasn't returned, which is good. I was thinking about taking it biweekly instead of every week to save money.

>>76887387
it's not a bad idea. when you take zepbound with an actual doctor they monitor this, and most doctors don't want you on it forever. know that the studies who an average half life of about 6 days or so, so it's possible it stays in your system longer. when you inject 2.5mg, it has to build up and eventually it gets systemic within you at ~3mg, and slowly fades over the week. so it will still be in you after that period, just at smaller amounts. IMO try 2mg or even 1.5 and see how you feel.

Just started a glow protocol (2mg GHK-CU, 500 mcg BP-157 & 333 mcg TB-500) day 3 today. I'll let you know how it goes frens. Already on 3iu HGH & 5 mg Taladafil daily & 250mg test & 1 mg Semaglutide per week.

>>76887378
>more about resetting dietary/metabolic dysfunction
Absolutely this. You HAVE to go into this with the right mindset of habitual change.

These drugs offer the chance of showing you what a normal amount of food actually feels like every day, and adding high protein food has this almost "reset feeling" to your brains cravings, for lack of a better phrase. Everything sugar related simply isn't interesting anymore, same with alcohol. It's like methadone for heroin addiction.

>>76887393
Thanks anon.

>>76887400
jesus bro, good luck. IMO tb-500 is BS, bpc is slightly less so but there's just no fkn data on either. i think your stack is overkilled af but hey bro keep that research going lol

>>76881634
I tried compounded tirz to lose weight, it didn't do much for me even at 10 mg per week, not side effects or appetite reduction. I'm taking low grade doses of dxm now and it works better. Results may vary.

>>76887424
what service did you use? i use compounded and have had amazing results, although I know some people are non-responders. you might've had a bad CP who used bad batches idk mane

I took 4 doses of 2.5mg tirzepatide and wondering if I should bump the next one to 4mg.

I took the last one last thursday, went to my moms on the weekend and had greasy food and felt hungrier than usual (maybe because I fixed her roof and spent a lot of energy). Yesterday and today I'm back home and eating only about 1200kcal and feeling satiated.

I think I'll just take 2.5 again tomorrow and see how it goes.

>>76886322
I think tirz and sema work much better for lowering inflammation but at least reta gives me better energy levels.

>>76887378
>t's almost always because these people did not do anything substantial to change their habits on glp-1s.
Habits are a meme. Most thin people don't have a particulary good diet or exercise regulary - they are thin because they don't experience hunger. Fat people are fat because they have too much appetite which GLP1 very much fix.

>>76887393
>and most doctors don't want you on it forever.
That's a lie, it's intended for you to take it forever, just like blood pressure or cholesterol meds.
>>76887407
And when you get off GLP1, you brain starts screaming at you to stuff your face and everything else is forgotten. I really dislike it when skellies talk about shit they don't know anything about.

>>76887417
I've used both before with good results after injuries. Mainly interested in the GHK-CU as it influences over 30% of human genes. I'm mid 40's so most of this stuff makes sense for me but wouldn't for a younger guy.

>>76887477
While I don't think it's the worst drug to take for life, I've definitely noticed a change in eating desires when I've come off it.

>>76887473
And some thin people end up getting chubby or slightly obese after college because they do retarded shit like drinking too many frappuccinos, then they cut that shit out and go back to normal BMI and assume fatties can do the same.

>>76887489
Obviously. GLP1 aren't like antibiotics where you only need to take them for some time and then you're cured.
>>76887493
Oh yeah that too. It is impossible for them to understand what people who are overweight or obese since their childhood or early teens go through.

>>76887400
>>76887483
nice, I just ordered a couple vials of Glow stack, mainly wanting to quickly heal some nagging tendon pain that has been bothering me for months. Have been eating very clean, hydrating, sleeping well etc. as well as supplementing omega3s and collagen but the tendon/joint issues persist.
Not sure if I needed the GHK-CU as well but supposedly it also helps with healing injuries, and supposed to be good for skin/anti aging.

>>76881646
First time I used reta i was dying for carbs almost immediately for some reason
After that though it was mild hunger suppression and some lethargy
Once I was on a suicide deficit long enough, I had low blood pressure and blood sugar symptoms, particularly during heavy lifts I would almost black out really easily

>>76887502

I got a kit of qty 10 of GHK(65MG) + BPC(15MG) + TB(10MG) for $390. At 2 mg GHK-Cu per day, if I don't cycle it, that's almost a full year (325 days). We will see how it shakes out. Heard it's like GH where you need to be on for a few months to see results.

>>76887483
I have used tb and bpc a lot with great results. Recently got GLOW and notice I sometimes get pain and bruising around injection sites. On day 12 and it has happened 3 times.

Just bought a bunch of KLOW (need to heal skin from accutane) so we'll see how that goes.

>>76886270
I took enclo for 3 months and it turned me into a machine. My girlfriend broke up with me and I hit the ground running. Had another girl in my house that night. For a month I had 3 girlfriends at once, one of them drove from an hour away every Thursday just to suck me off. I got my ex girlfriend back as well, she asked to see me and we had passionate sex that night, and have been back together since. I’ve been off enclo for a few months now and honestly I feel like a bitch. Can’t wait to do another run lol

What's a peptide?

>>76888051
amino acid chains (aka proteins), same shit your body makes.

about to try pt-141 for sex shit lads. will report back and see if I add this to my stack long term.

>>76888033
did you get it doc/telehealth prescribed or go with some gray market shit?

I have tried coming off Ret 3 times now but I seem to swell up 5 lbs instantly with water weight (?) each time. I know it's only 5 lbs because I track my weight but the way it all goes my gut, it looks like 10 lbs gained. Anyone experienced this or have any suggestions?

>5'6" F going from ~103lbs to ~108 or more each time

>>76888244
That's normal, your body comp will determine where the water goes

Buff dude goes on glp1 for his, comes off and a week later looks the best he ever has because the water goes into his muscles at sub 10% bf, he looks shredded with massive guns and goes around recommending everyone go on glp1

Fat guy goes on glp1, comes off and a week later looks like he made fuck all progress because his midsection and love handles and filled with water, he goes around saying glp1 is not all it's cracked up to be

>>76881634
i stopped using peptides when i realized i have no idea what kind of crazy shit is actually inside the vials. you have to be insane if you dont think china is sending out experimental biological weapons to their enemies when you order this shit

>>76888709
you're retarded, do you really think that no one is keeping track or testing these independently? You can pay for some tests yourself as well.

>>76888715
those tests only tell you if its what it says it is. if you order "X" and it tests positive for "X" but also has fucking syphillus in it the test aint gonna do shit

heres your "hexarelin plus HIV plus mRNA virus plus chinese man piss monkey pox", see janoshik says its hexarelin *pins and fucking dies*

I just got a nice 6 month run of HGH in the mail,

Going to start on Saturday, 2iU at first and spend 4 weeks tapering up to 4iu per day

Hoping to get better sleep, recovery and fat loss ability. Was about 80c an iU because I wanted the 10iu vials instead of buying the bulk 40iu vials, didn’t want them sitting around too long

Also going to run some bpc157 in cycles ontop of it

>>76887462
if you aren't having side effects, you can bump up 2.5mg every month

>>76881634
what's a good stack to start with? i see a lot of stuff for bcp-157/tb500 but it seems like that's more injury focused than just growth

>>76889203
depends on your goals. also be honest with yourself - you will never see steroid like gains on peptides, that's not what they're for. if that's what you're looking for then look elsewhere.

Has anyone been able to find real Thymosin β-4? Not that knockoff TB-500 shit
>>76889203
We haven't found le holy grail exerkines yet. Small molecules still dominate in that space, though try ecdysterone if you're looking for something that won't nuke your HPTA.

I am about to start taking 2.5 mg of semiglutide and 2.5 mg of trizepitide.

The semiglutide does fucking nothing for me at this point but I figure stacking the triz should get me losing weight again. What do you think?

>>76888752
the sleep is fucking deep and amazing bro hope u enjoy it

but its pointless to run bpc157 if youre already on hgh

>>76889386
>but its pointless to run bpc157 if youre already on hgh
nta but explain why? they have different mechanisms of action

>>76882081
So helpful, newfriend

>>76888709
Ok. Be fat and a loser because you can't make friends with the needle. You cant pin a 31g needle, so tiny it is hard to see. You faggot. I am lean and hard now. Sometimes I jam the needle and it bends. Ha. I am 5'10 bench more than my weight. Gym or track daily and I pound bitches like a fella should. Funny is, im 60. I look 40, and 40 year old bitches look at me. Your mom or someone like her tells me to slap it in doggy and calls me Daddy.

>>76887378
This guy is spot on. Reta is a game changed and with a gym habit, makes the impossible a sure thing. Reta makes me crave good food choices but I eat half and am full. A cheeseburger and fries sounds nice in theory but a protein shake and a salad or kimchee and a grilled chicken breast seems more appealing for some reason. Every week another lb lost. Punching holes in belts, buying new gym clothes, gains, fat loss, cardio. My T doubled. Stopped BP meds. 245 and arthritic to 198 and fantastic.

Fucking with a few things right now.
- Enclomiphene 12.5mg
- Oxytocin cream
- Sermorelin 0.5mg sublingual tablets

Going to bump the Sermorelin as high as they will dose me to try and get the maximum effect and get labs done. If it's not doing enough I will probably switch to injections. I just don't want to have to fuck around with that during the holidays so I picked sublingual for now. Anyone got any data on how shit they are? I read they were about 15% absorption vs 95%. Might switch to Tesamorelin once more people offer it. Copper GHK is also enticing but I don't really want to stack too much shit at once.

>>76888244
I can do this without a weight loss peptide, so yeah it's pretty normal. If you go from restricted calories to normal, you will consume more carbs and absorb more water. So I would recommend going under your target (until 10% bf, going lower isn't for most people). There's only so much you can do here.

>>76888709
Get a US compounded prescription retard. Unless you live somewhere else, then you're shit out of luck.

>>76888033
Just wait until you actually inject test. Then just wait until you actually inject tren. You've got your whole life ahead of you and a lot to look forward to anon if enclo gave you that. Test and ten will explode your mind.

>>76889395
You are right and he is ill informed. Aside from the fact it accelerates healing, reduces inflammation, improves gut health and produces angiogenesis in the body:

"BPC-157 doesn’t directly increase androgen receptor activity, but it optimizes the cellular environment so that androgen receptors (ARs) and growth hormone receptors (GHRs) can work more effectively."

Stacking test & GH with BPC-157 theoretically increases the efficacy of the test and GH.

>>76888717
Noooo don't tell me my miracle vials I buy from people who's culture encourages ripping me off might be ripoffs nooooo

Noooo these aren't poisons, they're miracle cures!
>I CAN TELL BY HOW I FEEL WHEN I INJECT THEM