Glycerol Muscle Volumizer
>>76885815Looks like a bonafide deranged China PED, nice find...>The Effect of Glycerol Supplements on Aerobic and Anaerobic Performance of Athletes and Sedentary Subjects>https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC3590833/
>>76885815>925mg glycerol>in the study they took 1.2g/kg body weightits literally nothing
>>76885851>The Effect of Glycerol Supplements on Aerobic and Anaerobic PerformancePost study where 925mg does nothing though. They could have just put in betaine nitrate (S-tier pumps) but they added that for some reason
glycerol, betaine and nitrate increase cellular hydration sometimes referred to as hyperhydration
>>76885886>separates betaine and nitratethank you chatgpt
>>76885859Probably cause they had a barrel of it lying around.
>>76885899Looks like WADA banned it which makes me want it.
>>76885917>Previously Banned: Glycerol was on the WADA Prohibited List under the "S5 Diuretics and Masking Agents" category from 2010 until the end of 2017It's not banned as of 2018
>>76885923>It's not banned as of 2018Ah piss, guess I'll get some SARMS instead.
>>76885893yes they both increase cellular hydration on their own even though the betaine is bound to nitrate. no I do not use gayai to do my research I've been doing this for decades and recite the purpose of nearly every fitness related molecule by memory cause I'm not a brainlet like you who they had to create the gaybots for faggot
>>76885917wada banning has no bearing on efficacy whatsoever
>>76885950>yes they both increase cellular hydration on their own even though the betaine is bound to nitrateBetaine anhydrous does fuck all for muscle pumps, while bn is more potent per mg than l-citrulline. Not everything is in your book.
>>76886036it must be nice to be retarded and certain of it
>>76886051>it must be nice to be retarded and certain of itWhat's retarded is thinking an abstract concept like improved cellular hydration, with no quantitative data, matters to anyone. If 2g betaine without nitrate hypothetically increased muscle volume by 1%, no one would notice or care, but if you take 2g betaine nitrate and dumbbell ohp 25 reps to failure your delts hurt from the pump. Fuckheads like you are why it's almost impossible to find a preworkout with everything that works.
>>76886090you have created a bunch of conclusions about things you said, not me and are now arguing with yourself. I'll leave you two alone
>>76886093>they both increase cellular hydration on their own even though the betaine is bound to nitrateI didn't say this, faggot.> they both increase cellular hydration on their own even though the betaine is bound to nitrate
>>76886097Yes and that's what they do.
>>76886107How much? Numbers.
>>76886112I never claimed how much. You're conflating muscle pumps (nitric oxide production) with cellular hydration. There's overlap between the two but they work differently. Betaine does both and more.
>>76886134>I never claimed how much.It's irrelevant then. Noise.
>>76886150Tell me a single other molecule that increases cellular hydration, increases nitric oxide production, lowers homocysteine, increases muscle growth and lowers body fat all in one then we can start discussing your odd interpretation of effect size.
>>76886162H2O. https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC3066115/>Our data indicate that acute or chronic ingestion of betaine by healthy, exercise-trained men does not impact plasma nitrate/nitrite.
>>76886224https://faseb.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1096/fasebj.20.4.A655-a>Nitric oxide (NO) levels were also measured in all of the samples by using a chromogenic method. Betaine administration resulted in an increase (20-90%)
>>76886266It's acknowledged in the later study.>perhaps older individuals with lower basal nitrate/nitrite levels may respond more favorably to betaine supplementation as compared to young and healthy subjects. Preworkout isn't for old geezers so if you're putting betaine in it might as well be nitrate.
>>76886310Measuring nitric oxide levels directly in the study I provided is more reliable and sophisticated method. The study you provided measured markers, nitric oxide directly.
>>76886326Fucking hell, I've taken anhydrous and lifted and no pump. Nitrate only, not even in preworkout, pump. I trust reality.
>>76886332Non responders exist in everything
>>76886469Including the whole study of men who exercise.
>>76886513I don't deny the existence of hardgainers
>>76886564Retard.
>>76886584I hate to break it to you but you're likely wrong about virtually every single thing you believe
>>76886628>I hate to break it to you but you're likely wrong about virtually every single thing you believeAt least I know what lifting weights feels like, narcissist twat.
>>76886956You have to imagine me as inferior because you're arguments fail and you're bad at researching things. I lift everyday am physically active and have god tier research skills. Hey at least AI and social media influencers are here to mislead you further little guy
>>76888290>refuses to consider single old study may not be accurate despite contradictory scientific evidence and personal testimonyGod tier. Thanks for shitting up the thread without providing a single word of useful information.
>>76888977The study provided measured markers of nitric oxide not nitric oxide directly. A newer study is only better if it provides newer testing methodology are better design. The study provided neither measured nitric oxide directly nor did it provide a superior design. You are quite possibly the stupidest person on planet earth. The fact that betaine is included in nearly every pump supplement should tell you something. No it shouldn't nevermind you're straight retarded. Ignore the science and continue consuming the slop retard
And if you want to continue blabbering about your n=1 there also countless anecdotes to the contrary ie betaine does in fact provide a pump effect based on anecdotes as well as scientific proof
>>76888990>keeps ignoring study of men who exercise showing no effect>ignores that i compared anhydrous and nitrate and only nitrate works>countless anecdotes to the contrary ie betaine does in fact provide a pump effect based on anecdotes as well as scientific proof>doesn't provide itI have a bottle of TMG for health but it's useless as purely preworkout.
>>76889015You're ignoring a study where they actually measured nitric oxide levels increases rather than a marker for nitric oxide production. You are literally retarded. kys faggot
>>76889018>markers are inaccurate>markers were used in this peer reviewed paper>don't trust that paper>trust this other paper though>but not real world experience when all you care about is real world results anyway
Wow actual substantive discourse on /fit/. What the fuck am I witnessing
>>76889028Yes markers are a less reliable measuring than the molecule itself. Only a literal retard doesn't understand how directly measuring is more reliable than measuring directly.
>>76889081>Yes markers are a less reliable measuring than the molecule itself. Only a literal retard doesn't understand how directly measuring is more reliable than measuring directly.How much more reliable?>no fucking clue dude i just want to win this argument so badly so i'm splitting hairs
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34620278/rat study but provides an moa potassium channelshttps://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S089990071730151Ximproved n2o bioavailabilityhttps://www.mdpi.com/2218-1989/14/7/390improved SERUM n2o levelshttps://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/40530574/upregulation of n2o pathways>>76889097you easily the most retarded human being to ever walk the face of the earth. when you die everyone will make fun of you as they do everyday to your face and behind your back. every single study that actually measures n2o reaches the same conclusion
>>76889110>wall of textWhy doesn't it work on men who exercise then?>markers don't work despite them being used by scientists for published studies for some reasonWhat's the difference between anhydrous and nitrate in rats?>idk but if anhydrous does anything it's good enough for preworkoutIt isn't though. Another reason I know is because they can put as much anhydrous along with 6g L-citrulline and it won't do anything, but if use 2g nitrate and 6g L-citrulline your deltoids will explode. They reduce L-cit if it has betaine nitrate because it actually WORKS. No spectral analysis needed.
>>76889126>listen to me everybody I'm a non responder soijakyes we know you're retarded you want to stretch out the fact your straight retarded for another 100 posts
>>76889131I wouldn't be surprised if you make a preworkout and claim in the description it increases blood flow or something to that effect because of one study you only read the abstract of so you can't concede it doesn't do anything. That would mean false advertising.
>>76889136because of mental midgets like you the world be misled into thinking nitrate is the only mediator n2o production which can be dismissed without any further discussion because it's flat out wrong and it would be a lie if it weren't a result of you being retarded instead
>>76889257Straw man, l-citrulline, l-arginine, and betaine nitrate are all nitric oxide boosters. (Betaine anhydrous doesn't do anything noticeable as The Science says.)
>>76889344According to studies you posted Trimethylglycine aka Betaine doesn't increase nitrite/nitrate. Fun fact: there are other ways to induce vasodilation that of which Betaine does. Your studies do not conclude Betaine doesn't induce vasodilation. Your studies conclude Betaine doesn't increase nitrate: a claim nobody made but your gay retarded ass you braindead faggot. At this point I'm convinced you work for op's supplement company and are trying to create free exposure by pretending be retarded for the next 100 replies. In fact I'll start making your responses for you as they're so predictable and incorrect at the same time.
>>76889110idk why it typed n2o I mean NOx
>>76889654>idk why it typed n2o I mean NOxNo one read it loser.
>>76889884that 1 guy did (You) now have some whippets and stfu
>>76889903By the way I found the product in op looking for betaine nitrate, because it works unlike betaine anhydrous.
>>76889915you searched for betaine nitrate and found it instead of something else shocker really
