Yup. I think people only like it because of how 'cool' it looks. It's uncomfortable as fuck and if you do too much you'll get a bursa. You can't do anywhere near the volume you can with a ham curl machine. Normally I'd say fuck machines but in this case it's the exact same movement, just in a less safe way.

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>>76919982
>Sir, I've found a shorter way!

>>76920010
I actually haven't seen much of that going to snap city. But it's not like it'd be a good thing.

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>>76919982
>>one ticket to snap city please!

i took the one ticket to gastrocnemius and never loked back:
>>76916441
>>76916443
>>76916458
>>76916621

>>76920294
This is one reason why athletes with advanced cardio vascular abilities tend to live longest.

>This is one reason why athletes with advanced cardio vascular abilities tend to live longest.
nord dicks? no - what reason bot ?
git gastroc, i managed to isolate it somewhat:
>>76920294
it's good for me it's good for errybody, it's your second heart they say

>>76920010
no bot, not like this - don't pinch yo scaps together on nerves and other soft shit , like andrew tate:
>>76919430
>>>76900295
>>>76909351

literally never heard of anyone getting injured doing these it's basically a ham curl

>>76920010
it looks bad but its more of a tweak city exercise rather than snap city

>>76920842
Is it the same though? I've tried Nordics b4, super hard, and could only do a few negatives.

Also seated leg curl feels like it does nothing compared to a the lying one

>>76919982
>fixes your back

>>76920842
Same. It's on the contrary. Athletes are being told to do nordic curls to prevent knee injuries. There are even studies with provided statistics how this single exercise prevent the most common knee injuries.

>>76920886
Nordic ham curls engages posterior chain more so if anything it would be less injurious and in fact there are studies indicating its superiority in preventing ham injuries as >>76920912 stated

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC11311354/

>>76920010
I do these on the smith machine seated. Are they that bad?

>>76920940
No they're better.
>>76920916
This is bs. The paper does not prove Nordic curls are safer than machine hamstring curls. Try harder and maybe next time actually read the study AI spoonfeeds you dipshit.
>It doesn’t directly compare Nordics vs machine curls.
>It measures sport injury rates, not exercise safety or adverse events.
>Many results come from multi-exercise programs, so benefits can’t be attributed to Nordics alone.
>Most underlying reviews are low quality with high heterogeneity.
>Adverse effects and tolerability are inconsistently reported.
>Findings are population-specific (mostly male soccer players) and not generalizable.
>“Machine curls” aren’t clearly defined or dose-matched.
Nordic curls are not in any way superior to regular machine ham curls and carry the added risk of bursa.

>>76920978
Given that leg curls are in nearly every athletes routine, a 51% reduction in ham injuries from those doing nhc is crazy. Nordic curls shit on everything including deadlift and it's not even close

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>Economy is fine, thank you!

>>76920983
>zero reading comprehensions
>zero research methods comprehension
So sorry to burst your science trust bubble but the study you cited is in fact of dog shit quality and does not in fact prove thats from NHC.

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>>76920990
no it proves nearly every single study ever made looking at nhc vs anything proves it's superiority and nothing else. fewer ham injuries, greater biceps femoris activation and superior athletic performance

>>76921001
No.

>>76920997
there was actually a study done on deadlifts where the subjects spine literally snapped during the study it's the only recorded instance in history not because of rarity but because such things just don't happen in studies. deadlift is the only exercise clinically proven to destroy your spine

>>76921006
they literally excluded 100s of studies that show nhc superior and the remaining all show the same supr you're a delusional cuck

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>>76920997
did he died

>>76921007
>things that never happened

>>76921009
They literally couldn't even isolate for it it proved fucking nothing. They were doing NHCs in addition to other hamstring exercises. Also all participants had the same background. How many male soccer players are going to see any fucking benefit from this shit in the face of every other preventative measure they use?! You can't possibly know that, not from that reviews conclusions. It's dog shit & you're retarded.

>have seen dozens of nordic curls end in snap city
>have not once seen a ham curl machine take a person to snap city
It's genuinely impressive that I've never seen that posted here but I've seen many NHCs end in hospital visits. Makes you think.

>>76920010

>tell me you have shit flexibility without telling me you have shit flexibility

>>76921018
Yes it did happen and is documented here
>Cholewicki J, McGill SM (1992) “Lumbar Posterior Ligament Involvement During Extremely Heavy Lifts Estimated from Fluoroscopic Measurements” Journal of Biomechanics 25(1):17–28.
>>76921034
you're a turd dude
>durrr every study showing benefits to nhc with with nhc being the ONLY common variable. b-b-but it's something else!
>>76921042
just gonna start making shit up now are we

>Cholewicki and McGill caught real-time x-ray footage of a powerlifter’s spine buckling under load. The video demonstrated for the first time that a single joint could fail and lead to pain. To quote the study, the authors were interested in assessing the “ligament and disc contribution in resisting trunk flexion moment during extremely heavy lifts performed by national class powerlifters.” The lift in this case was the conventional deadlift.

>>76921131
>just gonna start making shit up now are we
Show me the clip of someones hammy getting snapped in a leg curl machine. I ain't ever seen it.
>>76921173
Alright, i concede this is true.

>>76920997

Dat shear

Retards will advocate for diddies as if it were the same as curling. No, there are massive risks involved, not only of catastrophic failure but of progressive disc degeneration

Putting your long term back health at risk because of ego and stubbornness reminds me of how stupid people can be.

>>76921201
I didn't say leg curls cause injuries nhc is simply superior in every way. Leg curls are great if you like them keep doing them

>>76920940
Nah once I got to about 135lbs I started doing them seated on a smith machine.

>>76921204
If you're going to break your spine lifting baby weight you were never gonna make it.

>>76921260
same thing happened to world class powerlifters lifting mid weight "heavy" deadlifts

>>76920842
They do the opposite. They protect your from injury. If you're so fat that your hamstrings rupture when you use them to pull up your bodyweight, you have bigger problems.

>>76920010
This looks like tear city: the lift. What benefit could you possibly be trying to derive from this by putting yourself into such a precarious position?

>>76921260
Dumb meathead, you can't read, so I'll explain it to you again: injuries don't have to be because of a single catastrophic event with elephant weight, disc degeneration can be accelerated and accumulated over a longer period of time with less weight

>>76921204
This is why I stopped doing deadlifts. Contemplating stopping squats as well for the same reason but haven't found a good alternative. My gym doesn't have a sled to push or pull, however I have heard monster walk backwards uphill can be a good alternative.

>>76920986
Yeah this one is terrifying

>>76921324
>muh discs
It's always something with you cry asses. Cope privately

I sometimes forget that the average person on this board is 40 and doesn't lift

>>76921896
>No argument
Get rekt kid

>>76921906
don't forget brown and obese

>>76920010
I used to do klovkov press (standing, super wide grip). I thought they were helpful. Never went higher than 115lbs though

>>76921985
obese maybe but you're all timmies and mexicans, just check out /soc/

>>76921210
>nhc is simply superior in every way
Except they're not, in any way. You posted 1 dogshit study and have since just been insistent on their superiority. You're no better than any other "science based" grifter.

>>76920364
>>76920294
oh fuck he's evolving, now psoas schizo is posting about calves

>>76920997
>>76921007
>>76921204
>>76921012
this is a bait post, the image is not related to the video. in the video the guy just passes out from bracing too hard or holding his breath or whatever. the image is some medical gore car accident

>>76922086
>1 dogshit study
glad to see retards like you don't know how studies work
>916 systematic reviews
>10 chosen including 125 studies
>17,216 subjectd
do you need to help you put a bullet in your head retard

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>>76921311
lol

>>76922589
Why do people ego lift like this. Thought he was going to fuck his shit up any second

>>76921967
You people just won't stop trying to justify being weak. You've convinced yourself that the delicate jelly filled back cannot even lift your body weight repeatedly. You're correct. You will always be weak.

>>76922916
Ego.

>>76922999
>justify being weak.
I'm not though, you're operating from a false premise, which is that you can only get strong from DLing, which is wrong

Diddlers are part of a cult, though, they'll never admit their exercise is unnessarily dangerous. You can grind your discs away if you want to, but don't spread misinformation to newbies

>>76922916
because he's Dmitry Klokov, one of the most well achived olympic weightlifters

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>>76921007
https://www.wellesu.com/10.1016/0021-9290(92)90242-s
it's mostly just a bunch of gay text and formulas, just two low res pix

>>76922999
Enough with this you people bullshit, weak this spineless that, just come out and say you hate us you antisemite

>>76922916
I think you don't know what ego lifting means because that was an incredibly well-executed lift.
Lifting heavy is NOT ego lifting.

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Inverse Nordic curls are the best, bot.

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>>76923467
all true, they should be strengthening their backs instead

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>>76921007
>>76924128
lel retards cannot read, also getting cucked by nerds

>>76920940
Just pinched my trap doing these lo

>>76919982
nobody ever hurt themselves doing nordics, safety is built in.

>>76924822
You don't need to go below the ears. Off the top of my head Ed Coan and Kevin Lebrone pressed >4pl8 behind the neck for reps without going lower than that (safe to assume they progressed to that point without going lower).

>>76924753
I quoted elitefts here >>76921173 who reviewed the study where my comment came from

>>76924880
>didn't read the primary research
lol

>>76924903
yes I did and so did elitefts who apparently did a better job than you because there was a video corresponding to the paper where the deadlifters spine buckled literally during a study

>>76924910
oh my bad I didn't realize there was a video in the 1992 scanned pdf

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>>76924744
cute onions bot
>>76920294
>i took the one ticket to gastrocnemius and never looked back:

>but it's not da knee anymoar hooman, i changed the topic to lower back tee hee :)) no it's totally not moving goalposts

that's psoas, so psoas is responsible for "stability" in lower back, meaning u can keep lower back arched if you cramp the fuck out of psoas in the end of it's range of motion in spine

cramped muscle gets injured cause it's uncontrolled spasm (almost anyone had calf cramp at some point), injured muscle gets weak and tightens defending itself - presto pronto your posture is fucked and now u are glass-back, tying shoes becomes ordeal, life in general becomes shit cause u just ruined the very center of your body, very essence of your being has been assaulted, seemingly irreparably damaged, everything from moving through digestion, breathing and psychological health is negatively impacted, psoas is directly connected to diaphragm, to bowels which contain your second brain (supposedly akin to insect ganglia), you can't sleep, can't shit u can't anything

joe aesthetic (rest in piss) ripped his biceps like this off bone - just flexing onto nothing posing (u can try it out just be careful) - he had this weird biceps flex where he locked it out at the end of elbow joint flexion without flexing triceps and stopping before biceps bottoms out it's ability to flex - that's what u do with these retarded "lifting" where back is arched

and proper function and health of psoas is here:
>>76919452
>i luve psoas too bot
>i came up with a drill that makes it feel good, yes do this for immediate relief:
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7bqPkuJK1j8 [Embed]
>then get up and stand and reach with one hand in front of you as far as u can squatting leaning on 2 legs, reach to the same spot with other arm, and do it in dozen spots around you
>the same spot on the floor - git low :D
start with the straight ahead

>>76924921
There was a VHS tape actually. The only interesting part is that elitefts tries to defend deadlifting and adds their own original research to the paper by stating it was because the deadlifters was distracted and then makes false claims about McGill agreeing with them. he never did

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>>76924930
bro just say you didn't read the paper

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>>76924929
>start with the straight ahead
no, do not rotate hips externally, to drop trunk between legs, keep your hips up and reach as far forward as you can, then reach with other hand to the same spot (u can use a prop)
this is the real healthy physiological psoas function, this makes it strong and happy which in turn makes it not tight and ALL of your life becomes infinately better in an instant - that's what happened to me and that is what will happen to you
if u stop overarching lower back with:
squat, bench, deadlift, ohp, hyperextensions, lunges, BSS, lat pulldowns, biceps, triceps work, rows, delt work, planks, dragon flag - it's everywhere
u're flexing it and cramping like and retard all the fucking time, think about it, be cognizant of it, u will notice it everywhere all the time

>>76924937
>>76924930
blah blah bot

>>76924937
You have no clue what they were researching my guy. The purpose of the study was to push the muscles to the point where they would no longer be supporting the lift, relying on the ligaments. And instead of that happening with subject 2, ie measuring ligament stressors, his l4/l5 buckled. The thing you quoted was trying to make sense of his spine buckling because the ligament was not significantly stressed. They theorized a momentary loss of muscle control explain the spinal joint failure.

>>76924948
>The thing you quoted was trying to make sense of his spine buckling because the ligament was not significantly stressed. They theorized a momentary loss of muscle control explain the spinal joint failure.
psoas cramped for certain bot :D
>>76924929
>>76924944
>squat, bench, deadlift, ohp, hyperextensions, lunges, BSS, lat pulldowns, biceps, triceps work, rows, delt work, planks, dragon flag - it's everywhere
>u're flexing it and cramping like and retard all the fucking time, think about it, be cognizant of it, u will notice it everywhere all the time

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>>76924948
>The purpose of the study was to push the muscles to the point where they would no longer be supporting the lift
meanwhile the abstract
>This study was designed to assess the ligament and disc contribution in resisting trunk flexion moment during extremely heavy lifts performed by national class powerlifters.
lol. Lets look at the methods:
>Subjects were asked to perform three tasks, each of approximately 6 s duration, while a lateral radiologic view of their lumbar spines was recorded with the videofluoroscope.
>The first task was to bend forward and fully flex the trunk, until myoelectric silence was achieved in the lower and upper erector spinae muscles
>Next, two near-maximum deadlifts were performed. The standard competition deadlift technique was employed, where the barbell starting at rest on the floor was raised in one continuous motion until the erect posture was reached by the lifter
not seeing the "push muscles to the limit" part of the design

>>76924961
They did deadlift close to 1rm for the sole purpose of measuring ligament contribution. It's implied. At this point you're being pedantic. This became a famous study for the sole reason a nation class deadlifters snapped their snipe literally in the middle of a study. You can reword that in whichever way makes you feel better about yourself. Bye bye

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>>76924968
he "snapped his spine" but was apparently fine for his second deadlift at the same weight and was completed with no issue

>>76924973
Yeah when you blow your back you sometimes don't feel the effects until the next day. I've completely destroyed my spine and spent the entire day doing floor pulls. The pain from spinal injuries are usually not even close acute.

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>>76924952
>>76924961

>>76924976
great anecdote, where was that reported in the study

>>76924979
It was reported that his spine buckled right in the middle of the study. And the fact he deadlifted afterwards is not an anecdote nor refutation that his spine was injured during the study in fact you just proved my point even further. Acute severe >>76924978
pain to deadlift injury is not a given.

>>76924983
>refutation that his spine was injured
lol
>>76924937
they clearly state the degree of elongation is well below ligament limit, also
>Shearing translations of the (vertebral) disc were not detected in the present study.
>Compressive translations of the disc were not measurable in this study either.

>>76924988
What you're quoting is equipment failure due to positioning. There's no argument against the spinal injury occuring.

>>76924991
>it may produce momentary discomfort.
definite perma injury, I bet he was in a wheelchair for the rest of his life

>>76924993
Ah so pain doesn't count unless it turns you into a cripple? We don't know how fucked this guy's spine became afterwards but I'd pass on having my l4/l5 bent out of position under a deadlift 1rm

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>>76925000
>some discomfort
>brief
lol which btw had nothing to do with the lift but from the radiologist telling the subject to lift from a position he wasn't used to

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>>76925007
Yeah once again like I said deadlift injuries to the spine usually result in a dull pain at first and in fact you can usually deadlift again and again shortly after. The pain radiates hours after and depending on how severe it could be debilitating. I'd describe deadlift spinal injuries as being more inhibiting to physical function than anything I've experienced in my life. And in no case was the pain immediate.

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>>76925023
>meanwhile
how do stu's balls taste

>>76925038
I'm not impressed by how much you can bend over tbqh it's a gay exercise made for queers

>>76924744
>>76925038
I've seen cartel videos that made me less squeamish than these did

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>>76925038
all true, trust the science™

>>76924976
Why do you care so much that litteraly one (1) guys supposedly hurt his back doing deadlifts? Theres probably a dozen guys right now getting a heirniated disc from picking up a remote control in this exact moment. Youre going to tell us not just never bend again in our entire lives to avoid that?

>>76925667
Because shitheads like you keep claiming deadlift is a safe and healthy exercise. It is not and you're retarded. A large portion of the population do not have spinal discs capable of deadlifting several hundred pounds safely and never will because spinal disc shape and function is genetically predetermined. Theres no reason to deadlift whatsoever either. There are zero useful activities in life that necessitate deadlifting several hundred pounds and there never will be.

>>76919982
Trump files $5bn defamation lawsuit

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>>76926435
lol backlet

>>76927996
using momentum to rock the...rock onto his leg is a smart technique to avoid using your back. but that's not a deadlift by any definition nor is it particularly useful unless you plan on lifting 400lb rocks manually. I could probably lift a 300lb stone that way untrained.

>>76920997
I am so scared of squats and deadlifts. When I was just starting in the gym I tried them because "you're supposed to", and I used really small weights, but I could feel in my lower back that this was going to be bad. Of course I had shit form because I was a beginner, but I technically still am since I dropped those exercises completely at this point and never came back.
Fuck that shit, I don't care if I'm slowing down my progress, I'm not taking that risk. You can work on everything with isolation exercises anyway

>>76928997
>>76928997
The whole idea of absolute beginners starting with loaded barbell back squats is complete insanity pushed by retards.

Theres no point doing an exercise with poor form and ingraining a poor movement pattern. When you actually have the muscles developed to do the proper form, thats when it actually makes sense to start doing.

An absolute complete beginner shouldn't go near a barbell squat or deadlift unless under personal qualified training.

The real beginner route is to do a lot of belt squats, getting the form perfected. Lot of single leg work to balance out the left and right legs and build up flexibility in the hip flexor. Lot of posterior chain isolation work (glute, hamstring),. And a TON of bracing, core work, and upper back work. For 6 months to a year depending on the lifter.

There is literally ZERO point for a beginner to do barbell squats or deadlits without a wide base built up that has addressed the common problem areas.

The same applies to bench. Zero point in doing barbell bench if your back and arms are weak.

You just have to practice to do nordic curls and no one likes to practice to be able to do anything in the gym. They just expect to be able to do something within two weeks and start looking for alternatives if they can't.

Its surprisingly hard to find video footage of people doing multiple nordic curls in a row for what is a fairly commonly talked about and studied exercise. Most people just do partials or negatives and pretend like they did a curl. If people tried to pass off doing bicep curls like most people do nordic curls, everyone would laugh at them.

For what its worth, for pure hamstring, I like doing sliders except with rings instead of a furniture mover. Nordics feel more like glute/ham and calves to me. I do both multiple times a week just to be safe.

>>76926435
If you actually lifted you would understand the most dangerous lift is squats. I only met 1 person who got injured doing deadlifts, i've met countless people who fucked up on squats

>>76928997
Its not that common, its only when you decide to be a retard and do any lift is when you get seriously injured. Don't listen to the dyel who always talks about form. There are literal kids in middle school gyms who go harder than the dyels who cry about bad form

>>76929114
There is literally ZERO point in you giving any advice. You definitely don't lift

>>76929125
the internet is filled with people who absolutely cucked their back with deadlifts people with zero prior injury history. idgaf about squats

>>76929171
Like who? You? I seriously have never heard anyone fuckin up on deadlifts here. Ive even heard someone fucking up their upper back picking up a dumbbell off the floor while sitting on a bench but never a deadlift injury.
But good job outting yourself as a dyel that never goes to the gym

>>76929171
god forbid you go outside and get injured

>>76929282
My mind is boggled that people like you exist who are incapable of doing research. The starting strength forums for example are filled to the brim with folks who have destroyed their backs doing gay ass deadlifts. And that's only a small sample of what you'll find if you bothered to look into it at all.
>>76929294
You're an idiot. I spent my entire youth playing sports and my entire adulthood performing manual labor and working out. The only time I've ever been significantly injured in my entire life was doing your gay ass barbell meme routines and I'm not even remotely close ab outlier. It's almost like there's an entire fitness industry who have successfully trained their body without your sperg advice

>https://www.google.com/search?q=deadlift+back+pain+site%3Astartingstrength.com&udm=14

>>76920986
You have a weak back. These are cash money young money young mula bay-bay

>>76929339
>strength forums
>filled with wrecked glass backs
>like this guy

Yeah nah you sound like you've got a jeet soul.

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>>76929524
Some of the greatest powerlifters im the history of the universe destroyed their spines doing your queer lifts you want to tell me they have a glass back as well? Or did you mean to say you're a colossal moron performing an inherently stupid and pointless exercise

>deadlift are good
>heavy deadlift are bad
Got it.

>>76929552
the value of deadlift comes entirely from being able to move inoordinate amounts of weight from the deadlift position. without doing so you're not performing anything you do outside the ordinary and this not benefitting to any appreciable degree.

>>76929561
You get plenty of benefits from doing 3-5 plates. That shouldn't be considered a crazy amount of weight unless you're a woman.

>>76929541
>Extreme 0.01% athlete destroys their body pushing the limits of human capabilities
>THIS COULD BE YOU!!
I'm not too worried about it nerd thanks for the confidence boost though.

>>76929667
if you're repping out 3-5 plates it's too light and no benefit if you're not it's too heavy. nothing you lift in life weighs 300+ lbs you can't claim humans are adapted to lifting such weight at no point in the history of the human race did any people's bend over and deadlift 300+ lbs it's a completely retarded egolift with a high degree of possibility to blow your back out. there's no reason to train this position heavy whatsoever

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>>76929797
>300lbs is too light
>300lbs is too heavy

>>76929928
Yeah? That's because there's no reason to deadlift whatsoever you shit eating faggot. You're searching for some reason to make deadlifting valuable and there is none. Back strength is built better with upper body lifts like rows which can be performed safely on a machine and legs are built better by common physical activity like hiking and if you want to be captain bozo head do some rucking. There's no situation where deadlifting is of any value. If you're strong enough to row, pull up, hike then you're strong enough to lift any common object. Deadlifting is a pointless ego lift period

>>76927996
>Bybon, son of Phola

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>>76929797
>no point in the history of the human race did any people's bend over and deadlift 300+ lbs
lol

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>>76929979
You know you can perform deadlifts for many reps. If you can do 8-10 reps with a lift is it really an ego lift? You think you're really going to hurt yourself in the 8-10 rep range?

Also your lower back looking stringy and underdeveloped. Sorry about your back pain there little guy.

>>76930767
>deadlift not found
>>76930862
the only benefit of deadlift is the strength rep range ie 1-5rm. if you want pretend you're doing something with high rep deadlifts so be it. I will barbell curl your deadlift tho

>>76931780
>I will barbell curl your deadlift tho
lmao post arms

>>76931803
post your 10 rep deadlift so I can laugh at a turbo dyel

>>76931845
i never do 10RM, only 5RM. but its 475lb. now post arms

>>76931863
you're a wimp idgaf what you do little man

>>76931872
that was pretty cute. post arms

>>76931881
>straps/mixed grip, sumo, manlet
you don't even lift

i rarely do these and has never happened to me

>>76922916
It's an olympic lifter, retard

>>76927996
Ok, suspenders are kinda based. I should get some.

>>76920986
Started doing these recently, spooky as fuck when you have a fucked lower back like mine, though they do improve my confidence in my day to day movement. Low reps, volume and intensity. I'm purely doing these for tension.

>>76933730
I started doing one set a day it has been nothing but a benefit. Hits the posterior chain nicely without snapping your spine and works the fuck out of hams. GOAT exercises always come from calisthenics. Dips, pull ups, ham curls, etc.