Can someone explain this phenomenon?Im currently 13 years into lifting weights, and ive never been below 20% bodyfat
>>76927230Mike Israetel syndrome AKA you're an idiot that thinks only macros and calories matter despite reality itself proving you wrong.
>i eat whatever i want brah :o)theyre lying, its like the kid back in school who got 100% on a test and then tells you "heh, and i didnt even study for this brah, look how smart i am"People want to show the world that they're achieving amazing results with zero effort.Boomers love to brag about how hard they work to achieve what they have, where as young generations seem to brag about how little they work to achieve what they have. Not sure why or how that change in bragging style flipped so drastically
>>76927230You just lack zeal. t.perma 10%
>light weight bullshit "workout" where you're on your phone half the time>"Oooh hot pockets, cookies, soda, beer, icecream, mcdonalds, pizza!" >Why don't I look like chad :(((
Left is intuitive eating, right is fucking his body by meme diets and calorie counting autism
>>76927258oh stfumy is a sedentary neet who sits on a computer 16 hours a day and does zero cardio, zero lifting, and only eats processed food, and yet hes ripped year round Face reality faggot, some people are just like that, if my brother started lifting, he'd never go above 10% bodyfat and would that guy saying "yeah brah I eat whatever i want idk what to tell u brah" to anyone who asks him how he is so lean
>>76927267*my brother
>>76927230Overestimating calories for sure, and carbs and junk food isn't as bad for you as you think. Being on a strict diet then eating even a moderate meal causes you to store it as fat. Snacking all the time allows you to both have a higher bmr, eat less at a time practically, and not be storing fat as much from chronically low insulin causing your body to think you need to save calories for a famine. >0mad or fasting in general(good for shredding fat but requires slow reintroduction of calories per meal)Absolutely awful for preserving/building muscle. Manage your muscular hypertrophy daily and stay on top of your diet hourly. Eat half a protein bar and some milk or a latte or some shit it's not that hard to prevent shitty gains.
The effort of calorie counting isn’t even an excuse anymore with how easy apps are today and how much nutrition data they have. I don’t even care much about calories or macros anymore because those are intuitive but use Cronometer to track micronutrients and my long term nutrition trends. I member the old days of writing everything I ate in a notebook and that was super gay.
>>76927260Right is accused of sarms/steroids albeit light use. Left is definitely on steroids and you can get bigger than that drinking a 5th a day and eating 100g of protein.
>>76927230You gotta learn how to get big before upping roid dose because this guy is 1 foot in the door of the er and is doing everything wrong.
>>76927230you want us to explain why you're fat?
>>76927298>is right on any roidsI'd honestly bet no but fullness is too high and no visible veins usually means good roids or sarms and first cycle or 2. I'm going natty, seems like an advanced physique time wise but I'm in a similar boat trying to build huge delts natty technique is not easy.
>>76927230>DON’T COUNT CALORIES AND MACROS BRO!!!FUCK OFF
>>76927230Before you eat, have a few muscles pretty fuckin beat. Not that you should lift first thing in the morning like american psycho x texas chainsaw massacre but being ahead of your lifting by actually trying is underrated.
>>76927230If i wasnt a sedentary friendless neet id be competition ready looking
>see thread about leanness>about to provide my takes as someone who's been unintentionally lean his entire life>realize I don't care and people will find something to sperg about in my post anyway>decide I'll make this one post then hide the thread anyway I just eat 3 meals a day. I don't snack because my meals are sufficient. I don't drink sugary drinks because they make my teeth feel weird. I do drink whole milk. I have one cup of coffee every morning. 6'4", never been above 205 lb, usually hang around 190-195
>>76927230genetics
>>76927329its easy as fuck to be lean your entire life if youre 6 fucking 4
>>76927331this is cope. if you ate the same relative to your body's requirements you'd also be lean. but people on /fit/ overeat just as much as the fatties they make fun oft. 5'9" and lean
>>76927329You probably don't eat as much as you think for your mass. Most people are spiking and dipping insulin which fucks you up, you should be spiking insulin just a lil to raise hunger with some kind of sugars or sweets if you want weight gain to be easier.
>>76927357no retard, taller people dont have more hours in the day to cook and eat food, the reason they stay leaner is because their basic calorie requirements are much higher than manlets and need to eat more meals throughout the day, but they dont get extra time in the day to eat those extra meals, so they generally dont ever eat enough to NOT be lean year round
>>76927363I use a pan to cook chicken or whatever that fits maybe 1.5lbs of chicken and a whole other pan for potatoes/pasta and I might have a tiny meal of leftovers. Make some sandwiches in advance for on the go, i like balsamic+evoo chicken breast with arugula and foccacia + lemon and red peppers mayo and chips or some shit it's not rocket science. You can easily get max carbed up with fried rice and sriracha mayo+general tsos you just can't even look up a recipe or cook in bulk. Just lift a ton then eating a ton isn't too bad.
>>76927230If right is natty that's actually pretty sick. Biceps and chest are suspicious, I'd wanna know the routine even if slightly roided.
>>76927267Uhuh. Yeah, a good physique comes from being blessed by the genetics gods. Hard work and good decision making doesn't matter at all brah woe is me.
>>76927393Ure trolling but its true.Lifting is like unlocking a loot box after grinding an experience bar upSome people get legendary drops, others get greys
>>76927397Holy mother of cope. No it's fucking not. Like anything, consistency, acquired knowledge and the application of said knowledge, and hard work and dedication will give you a good physique, and this can apply to anything. There are physical limitations that exist, and people can have a disposition that gives them an advantage in certain areas as attributed to genetics, but that doesn't mean you can't achieve goals.I'm so fucking sick of hearing people's excuses, not just about obtaining a good physique, but in general about everything. "Oh woe is me, I can't understand statistics, I can't get girls to like me, I can't, I can't, I can't!" Did you ever take a step back and assess why you "can't?" no. You just do the same shit over and over and hope things turn out different. You don't actually want to apply yourself and make the correct choices to lead to favorable outcomes, you just want THE GOAL to fall into you fucking lap like a gift from God. You sound just like my brother every other week, holy shit stop your bitching.
>>76927230Right looks better anyway unless you're a homosexual.
>>76927407Oh shut the fuck up bitchThere are guys in my gym doing the exact same fucking routine as me, who lift the same amount of weight, who do the same amount of volumeActually the most jacked & shredded guy in my gym does my identical routine and we often train together because we are also around the same strength levelBut he looks like a fucking fitness model, and i look like a fucking disgusting shitfuck
>>76927442Then you're doing something wrong.
>>76927499Yeah its called not having great genetics for looking aesthetic That requires having GENETICALLY naturally low bodyfat % and GENETICALLY good muscle proportionsGENETICALLY... keyword: GENETICALLY
>>76927501Or you eat like garbage and drink beer all the time and don't do as much as you could be doing.
>>76927230It's ALL genetics manDon't let anyone tell you otherwiseComing from a guy who has always been very lean with no effort, so no, it's not a cope
>>76927230do more cardio, fat boy
>>76927230right is probably a healthier bodyfat %, unless left has gigachad lean genetics he's probably experiencing fatigue and cravings and might even be water fasted to look that tight
>>76927230>Can someone explain this phenomenon?Science fucked over the fitness industry. like it fucked over everything. When study abstracts become more important than reality, you know you took a wrong turn somehow.I can tell you from xp, that it is defintiely what you eat and never how much you eat. Left guy manages to eat the right stuff intuitively, right guy listens to science. I'd say miss the refined foods or check some books on TCM or TEM, but really, this is all so individually different you have to find out for yourself what works for you, just like in bodybuilding.
A lot of us who still look like left were competitive in endurance/speed sports when we were younger. I mean yeah I eat whatever I want but I had 10k+ hours of working out under my belt before I was 10 years old, I understood carb loading when I was 12 and had to make weight the first time when I was 13.>tl:dr everyone wants to be a ripped chad but no one wants to do the years of high intensity cardio
>>76927230Some people have freak genetics where they don't gain body fat.Like dave palumbo days he's never been able to put on fat.Look at his face, he's got zero fat on it like he's shredded one day out from a body building show, but he's like 60 years old and quit competitive bodybuilding 20 years ago.
>>76927835what you did 10 years ago doesn't mean shit for what youre doing todayyou dont get to magically maintain a ripped body at 30 because you played sports at 15
>>76927230sorry about your genetics mr singh
>>76927840I have a bridge in San Francisco to sell you.
>>76927230>right is likely cramming calories at all costsIce cream is a common bulk food to fill calories, but high insulin means dietary fat or protein result in higher fat and muscle gain. Also left is definitely on a ton of roids because he's not exactly a fitness genius.
>>76928023>everyone who makes me upset on 4chan is brownWhite fragility
>>76928149He's been right every god damn time johnson he's our greatest asset
>>769273315'7 and always been leanjust eat 2-3 real meals a day and don't snack fatassbeing hungry a couple hours a day won't kill you
>>76927770Good post. The great deceit of science is that it keeps you away from subjective intuition, which should be your primary goal for things related to your body.
>>76927230As someone who's finally getting life in order after letting it slip through my fingers for so long, what can I look forward to as a future where I'm jacked? I've never come close to those heights as a skinnyfat dweeb so I wanna know what's on the other side, what can be my best version
>>76928198Being strong af and/or huge natty is rarer than being a medical doctor
>>76928173very intuitive, unmeasured diet
>>76927255They're actually correct and you can't deal with it. If you want real, whole food and don't want to overeat, you are doing what you like and getting the results you want. How hard is it to harmonize yourself with your goal?
>>76928221>meanwhile the guy on the lefthttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hojioY_Cw30
Left is lying and on gear.
>>76927230>and ive never been below 20% bodyfat20% bf ain't that bad. Yeah, the idea is between 12-16% (depends on person) but don't get crazy about it. Lift and be healthy.t. reached 12% bf in 2023 and I looked like waking up from coma
>>76928221>cortisolmaxxing dieting like a 50s housewife on meth
>>76927230Roids
>>76927501>I’m an ugly, disgusting blob>listen to my adviceHow about no
Look into ray peat
>>76927255>kid back in school who got 100% on a test and then tells you "heh, and i didnt even study for this brah, look how smart i am"Almost all test information is covered in lessons, if you have good memory this is very doable - t.always got As without studying
>>76927230Right genuinely looks better though.
>>76927230steroids, anon. Instagram and 4chan doesn't perform drug tests, what are you fucking stupid? It's theoretically possible to just take some anavar or ozempic for 3-5 months to cut down and then quit, problem is these drug addicts never quit. So many people called Connor Murphy natty lmao and now look where he is: bald and doing gay porn on probation in thailand for beating his girlfriend with a golf club
>>76927255>Not sure why or how that change in bragging style flipped so drastically90s slacker culture.
>>76927230When he says he eats whatever he wants, he means he wants to eat like ronnie coleman and just eat really lean
>>76927230Right is hotter than left.
>>76927255>theyre lying, its like the kid back in school who got 100% on a test and then tells you "heh, and i didnt even study for this brah, look how smart i am"I didn't lie, shit was easy. Crashed and burned in uni though, while those who had developed good study methods were able to continue brilliantly.
>>76928722Mmmmm cookin up some of that gooood ole chicken
>>76928741for me it was the opposite just coasted high school with 3.4 gpas then in my undergrad and masters degree I started pulling 3.9s and 4.0s out of my ass without studying and it was really weirdmaybe its because I chose a major with stuff Im actually decent at whereas I had to take stuff I wasnt good at or interested in during hs
>>76927230Yea it’s called steroids
>>76927424>>76928322>>76928726>Right looks betterWhat makes right look better?
>>76927230everyone i've known that struggled to gain weight or that "eat too much i don't get how i'm still skinny" ate nothing and their idea of eating too much is having an extra serving of riceprobably some genetics in there but vastly overblown"i know a guy that eat mcdonald all day and is ripped" = they are eating 1900kcal of mcdonald a day
>>76929046being that lean and big is inherently grotesque. Its visibly unnatural. The vascularity makes him look diseased or unhealthy. The guy on the right looks like a strapping and healthy guy.
>>76929046he looks like a junkie from the train station injecting tranq or fent, except that you can also see muscles beneath this skin.
>>76927255wrong. metabolism is genetic. never in my life did i need to track calories if i wanted to lose fat. bulking though, that is a huge struggle for me
>>76927230some people roid some people are simply gifted genetically.i had a dude in my class who had a 6 pack at 13 years old.he always had low fat% throughout his life. idk what happened to him after college but i remember seeing him back then and he was still super lean.
>>76928722>air fry chicken>get some nice whole wheat bread>toast it>put mustard and pickles on bread>maybe a slice of cheese if you are feeling spicythis is the ultimate cutting hack i just rub the breasts into strips so they air fry a bit better
>>76928722kek I eat the exact same dish except I use sweet paprika powder instead of the onion powder
>>76928726If you are not a homosexual male then take your opinion elsewhere
>>76927247I'm left and I 100% only calories matters, some people just have less hunger and they can eat anything they want without being addicted. Its impossible for me to eat more than 1000kcal in one meal if its not pure fast food. What you eat only matters if you have no self control/stronger hunger feel
>>76927255I can largely eat whatever I want when using glp1 agonists. I get full and don't want to eat anymore. Problem is I need to prioritize protein or else my lifts suffer.
>>76929486>eating protein important for muscle mass We're in the caveman hall of fame with this one
>>76928722That is true. My best friend is one of those fags who has never had any bodyfat in his life and he just has absolutely terrible taste in food and thinks almost everything is gross and genuinely gets excited to eat the worst shit. Like he loves tilapia with lemon on it and some rice. Thats a 10/10 dinner to this lucky faggot.
>>76928476its more than that its a shift in parenting. Basically in the old days kids were supposed to work and be productive and would be praised and derive self worth from this. But then we started treating all children like invalids and their sense of self worth stopped coming from getting praise for doing the dishes or whatever and it started to be about simply being smart or being athletic or cute or just being sweet and kind or whatever. The children raised to do nothing of course have grown into the most anxious and helpless generation of all time. These gen alpha coming out are cry. My coworker has a 15 year old son who called him asking if he could use the oven the other day. lol like they are FUCKED
>>76927255ThisIf you get 100% by working your ass of studying you're a virgin nerd loser who should probably just fucking kill himself. But if you get 100% by just fucking around, and showing up on exam day with zero prep you're an absolute chad and a maverick. So of course you make it look like you didn't try, because trying isn't coolEffort frauding. I know people in great shape who claim to only lift 2 days a week even though I literally see them in the gym every morning at fucking 6am. Nobody wants to look like they're trying hard. That's why you say your physique is just from a few push ups before bed and forget to mention the hours in the gym you spent and the macro tracking etc
>>76929597>genuinely excited for the platonic form of a bodybuilding cutting meal What even is the merit of willpower when people with built-in medieval monk austerity are just walking around lol
>>76927230amphetamine is great for cutting body fat lmfao. i went down to 7% and 8stone in weight and when i started recovery i went to the gym and he said they dont take people under 7% body fat haha but he was impressed with my leg strength as i have always cycled and could lift more than twice my bodyweight
>>76929483>im lefthahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha what a fucking faggot. fat content in food matter. bet you leave the fat on your bacon n shit too.
>>76928810>>76927255>>76928741eat when you’re hungry and you dont have to track anything except fats and sugars.
>>76927230low testosterone
The cutting gods have appeared to me and have pointed this out
>>76927230>low bf%>lower test as a basis of bodycomp but higher from dietHow much muscle have you put on in a month at your best? I usually prefer diet based high performance since dieting makes me feel gay. I can put on like .5l-1lb of muscle in 1.5mo if I'm lifting hardcore. Like .5in on biceps but then I gotta rest 2wks entirely.
>>76930057Stims lower hydration which is bad for long term gains. Dropping 8stone(8x13lbs) is just legs having less bodyweight but still catabolism imo. Try adding mass to chest/delts/back on a cut, way harder. Arms are easy they're done recovering in like 2 days of rest and eat up all the surplus in like 30min post meal for growth. I'm trying to look like johnny bravo, technique+diet is not fuckin easy show me one person not on roids who can add mass quickly that's how I train.
>>76930528>how to add mass on a cutKeep muscles 100%'d for meals since you're in a surplus till the calories are consumed. Better to apply to a bulk but I'm gaining size while losing weight.
>>76929206>probably some genetics in there but vastly overblownthe fact that an 1,900 kcals from mcdonalds or an extra serving of rice feels too much/enough for them IS genetics
Goes both ways, my cousin quit lifting because he was incapable of force-feeding himself everyday just to slowly gain 0.1 poundsHe is ripped year round as a sedentary guy with 0 exercise, not even going for a walk. Literally sits still all day at work and sits still at home.He hates eating. I recorded what he ate daily (without force-feeding) and he averaged about 1300 calories a day across a week. He needs about 2500 calories to start gaining muscle, and he just cannot do it.
>>76930423tuna is great until.you discover the whole mercury shenanigans
>>76930897some people just hate eating and sometimes have absurd self imposed food restrictions. e.g. younger ~110 lbs male colleague who would not eat any seafood, mushrooms, vegetables, fruit (but he is fine with juice), while eating stuff like chicken nuggets
Workout routine matters. I’m dragging my new routine. Feel so bad doing the routine. Then I take pictures. Eating is so expensive now. I snack too much for lunch and might need a roommate. First pic abs is achievable without cycling. It just really hurts doing the routines. Still working on chest. Trying a short bulk and rest.The plus side is I got my HS stamina back. I mean jack it so hard without breaking a sweat.
>>76927256Being a severely malnourished Indian doesn't count as "fit", Rajesh.
People are different biologically.I eat whatever I want, but I probably eat a lot less than anyone here. I've been lean my entire life.That said, I have to eat a lot more than normal to put on muscle.>>76927329This is accurate. I'm 5'9" and only drink water, coffee, and milk.I bet most people who drink soda are addicted to sugar, hence they snack all the time.
