This is possibly the most broken technique ever. I've fought guys up to 150kg and I've never lost even once after locking this in. I've seen a video of a roider throwing +60 punches at a woman in an elevator and she survived without any heavy injuries while this move will quietly and effectively kill you without making a mess. The best part is how easy it is, I've been doing it since I was 10 and I remember the "tough" kids becoming sissies once I locked in. Love this shit.
>she survived without any heavy injuriesYou clearly didn't see the aftermath pictures so you're just talking out of your ass
what was the story with that video? I love watching women get put in their place. Was the guy famous or something?
>>76929887RNC is considered high percentage for a reason
>>76929887>I've seen a video of a roider throwing +60 punches at a woman in an elevatorI'm sort of ashamed that I knew exactly the video you were referencing within a fraction of a second
>>76929887I like triangles because you can also punch them
>>76930092I saw a woman tearing out another woman's hair while keeping her in a triangle. I think she was more concerned with losing hair than being choked. Weird priorities.
>>76930099That's pretty nuts, never any chick fights happen by me it usually devolves into the men getting into it. I would probably get underhooks on prime mike tyson and submit him quite easily.
>>76929887just become a kimura specialist. I destroyed a black belts shoulder when I was a blue belt because he refused to tap to my kimura and I just used my strength to push it through. I didn't crank it but I knew I had it. a few rounds before he told me "wow your so strong" as the negging comment bjj dyels throw at people who workout. it was gross
>>76930136>someone tells you you're strong>body dysmorphia kicks in and start sperging out and destroy the guy's shoulderWtf is wrong with /fit/?
>>76930248you aren't in bjj spaces enough, telling someone they're strong is a backhanded compliment. it is meant to imply you have no technique or skill and just use brute force.also the black belt didn't tap, I have seen him destroy other people's knees. I gave him adequate time to tap.not to mention, I'm not that strong, I'm just stronger than this guy. kimura is a strength based move. it only works if you can overpower the opponent.
>>76930336Why not just hold him there instead of permanently injuring him during an after-work hobby group meetup
>>76930508not how the sport works brother. I didn't crank it. I gave him ample time to tap, and as soon as I heard a pop I let go.>after-work hobby group meetupI have seen this dude destroy three people's knees with leg locks/knee bars at open mats and a local inter-gym tournament for best buy gift card.no one at my gym was pissed at me because we reviewed the footage when the guy through a shit fit, it happened how I described it.It's his choice to not tap. it's an ego thing, I tap almost instantly to submissions, even if I think I could muscle out of them.
>>76929887>bites your arm
Only because the chocked guy isn't allowed to do anything. In a real life he has the opportunity tu tear out his eyes, or to tear off his balls. That would be worse than death. And try to sit through someone tearing off your balls and not trying to stop it. And if tge chocked has a knife or any other sharp object, he has time to stab the opponent 40 times, damaging absolutely all his vital organs or cutting off all his tendons in his hands.That's why professional fighters get killed in the real life fights.
>>76929887Thats gay porn and you wont convince me otherwise
>>76930543I think Bas said it best. Trying to gauge out someone's eyes, who has you in a rnc, is going to lead to a broken neck.
>>76930570You can’t break a neck in that position. But if it’s in you get to sleep pretty quickly. Not much time to go for the eyes.
>>76929887>is choking a motherfucker and getting at least one eye gouged out better than just trying to knock him out?Life is not a match with a referee, if someone pulled that shit on me, in the brief 10-20 seconds of conciousness I have left I'd make sure he walks for the rest of his life with a white cane or at least an eyepatch.
>>76930248>Wtf is wrong with /fit/?Brown people doing brown people things.
>>76930570>I think Bas said it best. Trying to gauge out someone's eyes, who has you in a rnc, is going to lead to a broken neck.Bas is full of shit apparently. Attack the legs and feet instead and spike the guy.
>>76930739So you're either dead from a broken neck or dead from suffocation, what is there to lose? Best strategy is just to go for the eyes.
>>76930748You cannot go for the eyes at that angle, really. Just try it out, you'll be out before you can apply pressure long enough.If you just take a step back and lift the other guy's legs, then try to spike him, he willlet go. Or die. His choice. Well, there's other counters too.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Fp_tjFSPwY
>>76929887my experience has been exactly the same. crushed guys in street fights by doing exactly this. it's become 100% my go to, never even bother trying to throw a punch.
>>76930739Try standing up with a fully locked in RNC when someone has hooks in that are controlling your legs and hips. See what happens.Viable option only if the guy applying the choke doesn't know what he is doing. >attack the legsYou need to free your shoulders before you can access the feet unless you do an ankle lock on with your own legs on a retard who crosses his legs with back control.
>>76930708You absolutely can break a neck from that position. Apply it over the chin instead of under it and rotate your upper body, that will twist their neck with a ton of pressure behind it. You can even break someones jaw like that. A face crank is brutal.
>>76930543You are a retarded person.
>>76929887Locking in an RNC is basically a "I win" button. Properly performed, it's basically inescapableThere is a very good reason it's the most high percentage submission in grappling as well as MMA
>>76930136That's not a negging comment
>>76930570You can't break a neck in that position. And when someone stabs you non stop, it will be the least of your objectives.>>76930809Please, explain to a retarded person, what stops the chocked guy to grab him by the balls or to stab all his vital organs.Ok, maybe tearing off his eyes is too complicated, but sticking fingers into his eyes is very simple.
>>76930336Kimura isn't a strength based move. It's just like RNC you have to get the dominant position first
>>76930248In BJJ "wow you're so strong" is often used as a passive-aggressive way of saying "your technique is dogshit and you're only good because of retard strength". It's because many, if not most BJJ techniques can be done without using much strength when executed properly (mostly abusing leverages, manipulating your opponent's center of gravity etc), so just powering through them is seen as lacking finesse and skill>>76930508That's not quite how it works. With joint locks, you usually get your opponent in the "danger zone", then very slowly extend until he taps or you reach a point where you no longer feel it's safe, in which case you just do a "catch-and-release" approach. The problem with that is that some people are more flexible than others, and you never quite know where the breaking point is>>76930336>the black belt didn't tap, I have seen him destroy other people's kneesYou need better training partners. I probably wouldn't want to train at a gym where knee snappenings happened regularly. Even leg locks can be practiced safely and without an injury
>>76930723You're out in 6 Seconds tops. You can't see where his eyes are. you're fumbling for his eyes whilst he just has to move his head away if you get near them. then you fall asleep and he probably breaks your arm because you tried to gouge him
>>76930911Grab a friend and ask him to get you in RNC then try to draw your knife (or pen and draw on him) or gouge his eyes, then you will see the why it's called being stuck in a dominant position
>>76930913Powering through them only let's you beat weak people. If you don't have technique you will come undone when you meet someone bigger and stronger than you. It's very interesting seeing how smaller weaker higher belts control strong white belts safely and then tap them
>>769305431) From back control, any sensitive areas are very difficult to access, and virtually impossible to attack effectively2) Even if you managed to do so, an RNC will put you to sleep in under five seconds. And trust me when I say than any semblance of coherent thought goes out the window the moment it's locked in, least of all because it feels like your head is exploding
>>76930925Eh, being an absolute athletic animal can be a viable approach (see: Nicky Rod). Though in general I agree, obviously having better technique is better
you don't need to get behind someone to choke them, you can just grab their throat
>>76930956Congratulations you just got punched in the face/ arm cranked
>>76930926I take 1 sec to take out the knife and 1 sec to stab someone. Tge chocked person might already have a knife in hand. He can also have a gun and just shoot the guy chocking him in the head or in his hands.The main reason why pro fighter are so often killed in the street fights, is a retarded confidence that you have. Give any 5 years old a sharpie or a pen and promise him 1 dollar for every mark on your body. He will put 40 markes before you manage to chock him.Yes, it can take just a few second to lose your conscuousbess when being chocked. But it takes just a few seconds (maybe 10 sec max) to die if someone cuts your femoral artery
what is a realistic counter to that? assuming no knife/pointy objects
>>76930984>Oh but what if they have a rocket launcher????Okay then the trained fighter also has a knifeNow he has better distance control, striking, timing, and grappling skills if you get rocked and drop the knife Yeah a knife is dangerous. I'd run from a knife. Id still rather have grappling knowledge because it's always better to have it than not. If you get taken down and don't even know how to fall properly you'll break your wrist before you can draw your knife
>>76929887Is it tho?
>>76930984>no you don't get it the trained fighter isn't allowed to fight dirtyWhat makes you think that the person who knows how to fight won't also try to rip off your balls, gouge your eyes, stab you or shoot you?>chockGo to bed Patel
>>76931026Keep your chin tucked when they are trying to set it up to prevent them from locking it in
>>76931087i assume its completely over when your opponent managed to lock you in?
>>76930099>I think she was more concerned with losing hair than being choked.Women are still pretty unconscious, but messed up hair is major.
>>76930723cringe tough guy talk. you have never been in a fight before.
>>76929887You do this, go straight for the eyes and push as hard as you can the eyes into the persons head, they will instantly let go.
>>76931668Works for headlock when youre facing down aswell and held to the side of the person, again reach up to eyes and push, they always let go instantly and are blinded for enough time for you to attack.
>>76930916You dont fumble it takes 2 seconds 1 to get your hand on the face and one to adjust to eyes as guess what everyones eyes are in the same area on the face.
>>76931026Have a gun
>>76930723>tries to eye gouge>gets his fingers bitten offTwo can play at that game bud
>>76931668>>76931674>let me try something desperate that might work but if the guy doesn't let go, he might actually end up killing me or at least stomping me out with no resistance
>>76930925>bigger and stronger than you
>>76929887>video of a roider throwing +60 punches at a woman in an elevatorpost it
>>76929887Yea I mean there’s a reason animals instinctively go for the throat
>>76931737Its not desperate, its the counter to that hold and most holds, you just have to react, I used it and it works. Its not hard to pull off, you know where his head is, bam bam done. He lets go and grabs his face. But im talking in the real world, in the ring not sure its allowed right?
>>76931816>in the real world it works>implying its actually 1 on 1yea you never been in any fight.
>>76931836Anon I dont give a shit what you think kek ive been in quite a few 1 on 1s. Obviously against a group its over unless youre tasty. But the fact is it works. Go get someone to do it you now and do it but dont obviously hurt them but do the move, its really effective.
>>76931848>ive been in quite a few 1 on 1ssure you have dork.
>>76931853Kek that all you got?
Shitter with no experience posts some gay shit about a gay hold and then the easy counter gets posted and op shids his diaper like the little massive shitter he is. You got gaped op.
>>76931684Okay chief. let us know how that goes
>>76931861>scared, potter?
>>76932007Kek
>>76929887Lets be real 150kg guys would wear you like a condom.
>>76930748>dead from a broken neckReal life isn't a movie. The Human body is very resilient in most cases. Usually the only way anyone ever dies in a fist fight is if they get knocked out and fall onto concrete, devloping internal bleeding in their brain. Necks are very hard to snap.
>>76930543You literally have no idea what you're talking about. Best remain silent.
>>76929887The only problem with this is you are now probably ground pounding which, in a street fight, gives all his homies the opportunity to kick your head in. Staying on your feet and being able to move keeps you alive. This works great if it’s strictly 1v1.
>>76930925>Powering through them only let's you beat weak peopleI've only attended a few bjj classes so I'm far from being an expert. At the time I was bigger and stronger than all the white belts there. They were, however, better and more experienced than me. I managrd to power through a couple of submissions, but after that, I stopped. My reasoning was that bruteforcing was counterproductive, since I wasn't learning anything. I tried to learn the techniques, asked for advice and for my partners to show an explain how did they do things. Was fun, but I had to move shortly afterwards and never got back to bjj.There's a couple of places near my area and I've been thinking about joining.
>>76930248>hes never had a BJJ skinnyfat dweeb complain to the coach about you using too much strength>while he has a 40lbs on you (mostly fat) and is gasping for breath while you arent even breathing hard because you are going at 20%Guard huggers get the rope.
>>76931668Cool a mid fight snack while the guy bites your fingers off.
>>76930956The RNC does not choke the throat. Suffocation can take minutes. Blocking blood flow does it in seconds.>>76931630If he gets his arm under your chin then you can still get your arm up to block his offhand from completing the choke. If already locked in then your best bet is to lower your center of gravity and try to flip him over and in front of yourself. Any of that would require instant perfect reflexes and ideally a strength and weight advantage, aka not fucking happening for the average guy especially if taken by surprise. You're not a Baki character who can give a one liner before muscling out of it with pure grip strength.
Cool choke you got there, bro.
>>76929887rear naked choke is a shortcut to killing people.if you can get a good one off, they are out cold, and then killing them is cake.outside of breaking whatever parts you can get your hands on, controlling people into a rear naked was pretty much our optimal pathway in the military for taking someone out.
>>76930911as someone who has hurt people IRL quite a lot.a proper rear naked takes someone out in a few seconds. once you tighten your muscles, they just outright pass out.it isnt an air choke that takes 1-2 minutes to set in. its an instant lights out.the only PROBLEM with a rear naked like that choke is if you let go, they will wake back up in about 5-10 seconds as the blood hits their brain.if you want to kill them you have to hold that choke which may give the illusion of taking time to work, but youre really just ending their life silently.the other option is once they pass out is to immediately knife them, shoot them, or start breaking their arms and joints, etc.
>>76930911You can't really reach behind your back like that and get a good grab on a guys balls.Also anybody smart would apply a body triangle along with back control which would really mitigate that risk completely. It takes probably a good 10 seconds to go unconscious from a fully locked in RNC, you really don't have much time to react and at around the five or six second mark you start fading mentally. Whatever defense you have in mind would have to be done before the guy gets under your chin. It's a really brutal choke, there's a reason why it's one of the highest percentage chokes in the UFC.>stab his vital organsIf the guy is able to access his knife, your fucked. End of story. I never said jiu jitsu works against weapons, It just works against stupid Steven Seagall "just gouge the eyes bruh" techniques that are outdated and retarded. also remember, the guy who knows how to fight / grapple can also gouge at your eyes / fish hook and will be able to execute it much more effectively then the untrained person.
>>76930912Exactly. people love to call it a power move but it requires timing and technique like everything else.
>>76930926Finally a motherfucker who knows what he is talking about on this thread
>>76931087>tuck your chin>apply the choke over their chin>it's a face crank then, jaw will break>profitYou have to hand fight and misalign your shoulders from theirs to start working to free your hips. Then you can escape.
the only chance is to reach down hand inside pants and tear his nuts off before you black out
>>76929887It's super easy to get out by gouging the opponents eyes out or biting him until you actually make him bleed badly. You just have to be willing to do it.
>>76932466>the only PROBLEM with a rear naked like that choke is if you let go, they will wake back up in about 5-10 seconds as the blood hits their brain.Well yeah, but they don't just stand right back up ready for round 2. They're coming out of a blackout, and they won't be back to normal for a good 5-10 minutes. It'll be a minute or so before they even remember where they are or how they passed out in the first place, if at all.
>>76929887It’s correct in that if it’s fully locked in it’s incredibly tough.. if you can put your own arm in or put a hand on your cheek or neck through it you can put more strain on them, it really depends though obviously but it’s a neat trick.
>>76932529>>apply the choke over their chin>>it's a face crank then, jaw will breakNot that easy, chin tucking works quite well.
>>76930790>my experience has been exactly the same. crushed guys in street fights by doing exactly this. it's become 100% my go to, never even bother trying to throw a punch.Not one fo them ahd a knife? Huge doubt.
>>76932552Lol no. You aren't going to find the eyes before you go to sleep, and if you try to bite that arm you're getting your jaw detatched. LARP harder, non-grappling faggot.
>>76933250>and if you try to bite that arm you're getting your jaw detatchedLol no, how weak are you. Won't really help though.
>>76929887im a shoot jewjitsu purplebelt and I bench 385 nattyI only do no gi and like 80% of the subs I get are this, arm triangle, and some Ezekiel neck crank I made up
>>76930912I have never ever in my life tapped to a kimura from someone lighter than me
>>76932424position before submission lil bro
>>76930136>wow your so strongI say that as a compliment unironically
>>76930541Not possible once it's locked in. You could try to go for the eyes (or balls if standing) of the person choking you, but it's not as easy as it sounds and you only have like three seconds before losing consciousness.
>>76933228Only if the other guy is concerned about your well-beingIf someone fully locks in a face crank, no lube no mercy, there will be a break. Not to mention that it still chokes, just a little bit slower
>>76933228No it really is especially against an untrained person. I literally do this against trained people many times per week.
>>76932398Thats a good mindset, which I also share. I only have around 20 hours experience in grappling overall but sometimes I give up positions on people weaker than me and give up pins and give up trying to muscle subs. I rather get them In guard and work on sweeps or something because otherwise it's just a waste of a roll
>>76931667Yeah, we're white.
>pull out .45>we both die
>>76929887what if he tried to do this to that indian chinlet? how do you lock someone with no chin?
>>76930136I always joke about people like you when I'm rolling with blue belts. If I escape right before a submission I go like>Sorry, I can't let you do it. You'd be too happy about it. "dear diary, today I submitted a brown belt" The most they laugh the more true it was.
The neck is the most vulnerable part of the human body.
>>76930723In real life you should carry a small knife. Not just for fighting, but to cut yourself lose if you your clothes get stuck somewhere or to open packages. And as a bonus, if some wrestlefag does something like this to you, it's much easier to escape.
>>76931026Pull away the supporting hand, then the choking hand. You need to do both in 5 seconds.
>>76929887give it to me straight /fit/, is grappling worth it? I have an mma gym near me that is rather small but the coaches are experienced and certified (for what thats worth for) and the reviews are positive through and through with many saying they take genuine time for the new guys. Im a twig but really wanna start and have no prior experiences in combat sports
Just don't get chokedI haven't ever met a man that took a front kick and kept standing
>>76936731Then you've never been to a martial arts gym
>>76933994that is funny anon. I had never submitted a brown or black belt when this happened. I think he messed up doing too much joking shit, then his ego took over and he was refusing to tap. To be fair he didn't even get mad after it happened, he looked very disappointed. Didn't scream when his shoulder made gross breaking noises. Just got up got his stuff and left.>>76936681It's really gay. I prefer striking. But grappling is very useful to know
>>76936731Just don't get front kicked.
>>76936830So it just boils down to not fighting someone who's better than you
>>76936681Are you interested in the sport, or do you just want to be able to defend yourself on the streets? If it's the latter, there are far better methods, like carrying some proper equipment.
>>76929887If you want to experience this sensation without being hugged by your totally straight mma bro, place a heavy OHP in the same location.
>>76930913>You need better training partners. I probably wouldn't want to train at a gym where knee snappenings happened regularly. Even leg locks can be practiced safely and without an injuryThis, that anon is training in a retard gym. I've been training heel hooks since my very first class, I and all my partners who also started with me are fine with perfectly healthy knees.>>76930543I can't tell you've never grappled. Even a sloppy RNC will put you to sleep in 5 seconds or less when locked in. >>76930984>have a knife>somehow the opponent is already in your backOk dude, continue to live your fantasy.
>>76936943>Are you interested in the sport, or do you just want to be able to defend yourself on the streets?the sports aspect, I like working out with other people and work out new skills, my self defence strategy is to dash 100m as fast as I can
>>76931668https://www.youtube.com/shorts/XL2jasXXTgk
>>76937361Do you want to learn to be more confident in fighting and defending yourself ? Do you want to do something that every man was made to do? If so then do it. If not then continue your lame surrogate activities
>>76930336>you aren't in sweaty dick punching spacesdude what's your current cope when the average man draws his ccw and shoots you?lol, lmao
>>76930913>In BJJ "wow you're so strong" is often used as a passive-aggressive way of saying "your technique is dogshit and you're only good because of retard strength". It's because many, if not most BJJ techniques can be done without using much strength when executed properly (mostly abusing leverages, manipulating your opponent's center of gravity etc), so just powering through them is seen as lacking finesse and skillLmao BJJ faggots are so pathetic. Truly the meme art of fighting.
>>76937999I do concur that there are many catty bitchesBut only relying on strength has its problems. The first is scaling: if you can perform a technique with minimal effort, it's very easy to adjust the intensity during sparring, while those mainly relying on athleticism often tend to only have two speeds, 0 and pedal-to-the-metal. This can make sparring very unpleasant, which I'm sure you will call bitchmade, but the fact remains that the 40yo accountant would like to be able to pick up his kid without wincing in pain for a month because someone decided to rip an armbar instead of taking the five minutes it takes to learn to do it properlyThe second problem is, of course, that over-reliance on athleticism only works until you fight someone your own size, or someone who actually learned how to shut down that advantage
I hope I never get in a fight purely because Id have a throbbing boner immediately if someone got me in a rnc or triangle choke
>>76937926>I-I c-c-can just sh-shoot you!!This always sounds so fat and bald when guys say it
>>76933852And you're all going extinct!
