I'm struggling to gain weight on carnivore but I don't want to give it up because I feel a lot healthier than I used to and overcoming keto flu took a few months.What can I do to cultivate mass? I do think about my nitrate intake so I don't want to just eat salami.
>>76930559Eat lean protein on a daily and exercise consistently. One gram per pound of muscle mass seems to work for a lot of people then just backfill the rest of the calories with carbs
>>76930559Eat vegetables you spaz
>>76930662Shittiest advice ever, if anything he needs fat you absolute moron
>>76930700To gain lean mass?
>>76930700Fat makes you fat. Carbs are brain fuel.
>>76930559be carnivore throughout the day and eat roasted nuts and buttery popcorn for dinner whilst watching a show
learn how to grill a ribeye.learn how to smoke a brisket.you need a komodo joe.
>>76930713Starchy carbs literally rot your brain away>>76930712He wants mass, he needs fat. Since he's carnivore his only choice of carbs is milk. So he needs to fill in with more fat than what the milk presents not eat garbage lean cutsBesides your endocrine system gets nuked with low fat diets
>bulking on carnivore
>>76930713based starch enjoyer
>>76930725>garbage lean cuts >Besides your endocrine system gets nuked with low fat dietsRip every animal on earth for all time
>>76930771You're not a cow
>>76930712>you need to eat lean to gain lean massThats not how it works bubba, fat is the precursor to anabolic hormones
>>76930786Right, I'm not a cow. Speaking of cows, beef cattle breeds do not exist in nature. In nature, you'll find that the meat on wild game animals tends to be lean. Cows look like cute little puppy animals next to wild oxen and the like>>76930788I guarantee that you can meet the needs for dietary fat on lean protein. Otherwise, as I've said, rip every animal ever on earth
>>76930836>game animals tends to be lean.Spoken like a truly clueless retard. They're leaner but nowhere near selectively lean ground beef or lean cuts overall. You've moved the goal post. You're not a cow or a zebra or lion or mule. You need exogenous fat for your hormons unless you're on steroids
If you don't have an appetite you may need to train harder. My appetite fluctuates with my training
>>76930836>you need fat for hormonesI hate this retarded faggot who spams this shit. You fully need much fat at all for hormone production. You equated needing dietary fat with stuffing yourself full of lard. The ketogrifteraped. Kill yourself ketoschizo.
>>76930848You're right, I'm not a cow or a zebra or a lion of a mule.>They're leanerI know they are. If you have access to game animals then you have high quality, low fat protein but if you're the clueless city slicker you let on to be then you have to do your best to mimic it in the store. >You need exogenous fat for your hormons unless you're on steroidsOkay? as I've mentioned here:>I guarantee that you can meet the needs for dietary fat on lean protein. Otherwise, as I've said, rip every animal ever on earthGo watch some videos on wild hare being prepared and compare them to domesticated ones and note the difference. >You've moved the goal post.Huh?
>>76930893>Still moving the goal post
>>76930877Try making vitamin D or pretty much any other hormon from glycogen, brah! ™
>>76930559Carnie gets shilled like it's some amazing mass-gainer because of all the protein, but it's really a twink diet just like vegan because of how fucked up the macros and micros are, kek.>/thread
>>76930920Carnivore is excellent for micronutrients what the fuck are you on about>But i need the indigestible cellulose or else i shit rocks !!!Skill issue homie
>>76930932You've invented a new cope for not getting scurvy off carnie?
>>76930905If "the endocrine system gets nuked on low-fat diets" then every predating animal on earth could not have survived until post-industrial society where we could baste angus ribeyes in butter or have access to literally obese deer that have been lifelong pillagers of corn, basedbeans, alfalfa, etc
>>76930967Why are you still assuming that "lean meat cuts" from cattle are the same as game in fat content ? If you've ever butchered an animal you'd how much fat they have subcutaneously, be it game or cattle. You're assuming a lion is going out his way picking a lean sirloin out of the zebra. What an absolute moron you are.Animals dont only eat the meat they also feast on organs which are usually fatty. Yes if they only ate lean cuts they'd also be shriveled up and underdeveloped like the average modern male.I'm curious where you think they get most of their energy from LMAO inb4 protein
>>76930976Sure, nevermind actually. Wild meat is the same as eating salami, wagyu, etc. It was always like this. I'm deep frying a wagyu ribeye in tallow rn like in nature
>>76931003Kek you just proved my point you imbecileNo lion is out there picking lean cuts of meat they just eat everything the hide the meat itself the organs and that includes lots of fat
>>76931104You're absolutely right I wasn't disagreeing with you anymore in that post. Wild animals aren't lean at all, in fact they have organs and skin which have fat content! I'm actually on my second meal of the day after my wagyu which is extremely well marbled rabbit meat which it got from its diet of roots and grass, shrubs, etc. I'm sauteeing it in its own fat, which I have industrial amounts of left over from rendering. You should have seen the size of this fatass rabbit!
>>76930559>keto fluWhat is up with this meme? I have done carnivore a few times in the past and I never had "keto flu". Only positive effects that started since day 1. Currently back on a high-carb diet because poorfag and my wife is Mexican. I am fat and have horrendous farts and nasty shits constantly. It feels like anytime I'm not on carnivore I have carb flu or some shit
>>76931117I accept your concession
>>76931190Much obliged. Do you know of any uses to suggest for all of these containers full of wild hare fat I have now?
>>76930967Lots of wild animals are quite high in fat.Salmon, halibut, pretty much all water fowl, seals.There's a lot of fat on most animals. Especially if one eats organs like >>76930976 says. The brain is super high in fat contend.And with all these animsls humans have an extra source of easily accesses fat that (almost) only we have access to. Our proficiency with tools allows us to consume bone marrow.
>>76931384Right, I'm not disagreeing --- the ocean is full of fatty animals. That's why predating land animals have evolved to use fishing boats. When they can't do that, their primary food source of organs and brains will do. I personally have a blender full of field mouse brains and livers ready at all times. Otherwise my endocrine system would be in danger
>>76930700>>76930713>before growing carbshunter gathers bathing in rivers and dying in shit>after growing carbsthe emergence of civilization, technology, and medicineHMMMMMMM
The competition for dumbest fucking thread on /fit/ is fierce today. Where did all of you mouth-breathers come from?
>>76930559The #1 problem that people have on carnivore is not consuming enough fat. Most issues resolve if you start consuming more fat.Carnivore doctors like Anthony Chaffee already warn that if you depend on protein for most of your energy, you WILL have health issues.You can't be low on carbs AND low on fat too. You have to consume more animal fat, preferably raw animal fat.You can quickly solve this by drinking a few eggs with each meal, eating raw butter, or asking your butcher for raw fat trimmings.Also, your picture (IDK if it's your meal or not) contains what it looks like processed meat full of preservatives and other cancerous crap. Eat real meat, not any of that garbage.
>>76931642The emergence of carbs is parallel to the emergence of slavery, you're a continuation of those slaves who used to herd cattle and farm fo babylonian kings but under another denomination. Farming was widely adopted because it's when slave and serf work of humans under other humans became a thingNone of the things you mentioned are inherently good, the idea that hunter gatherers werent big or didn't reproduce a lot or died early on average are baseless myths.
>>76931421You are extremely obvious. Attention whore.
>>76932078I accept your concession.
eating bags of gas station beef jerky just like my ancestors :)
>>76930722>roasted nuts and buttery popcornNot carnivore you retard.
>carnivore>keto fluHigh protein isn't keto. Keto is mostly FAT. Mix quark, protein powder, milk, fiber.
>>76933247>and thenfry the ESL brain with this one simple phrase
>>76930559Earlier this year i tried for 3-5 months to do a carb free bulk. Not keto (protein was too high and fat was probably too low); not carnivore as I ate a lot of greek yogurt and whey protein. Just a shit ton of meat, eggs, whey protein bars, Greek Yogurt, and a very small amount of greeb veegtables. I felt great, sleep was good and revocey seemed good, but the scale was not budgin.I dialed back the total amount of protein and started eating a small amount of carbs (mostly rice, some processed sugars) and the scale started to move. I put on about twenty very good pounds before I beagn to notice my pants feeling tighter in the waist, so I dialed it all back. I can only imagine that doing a strict "carnivore bulk" would be very very hard to make work.
>>76933500>>76931733>>76931121>keto flu>What is up with this meme?Like anons said it is caused by not eating enough fat. A lot of people are still scared of fat even when they decide to do keto. Eating butter is not a meme.
>>76930836animals eat organs and fat firstgrass eaters have microbes in their guts that convert fiber into short chain fatty acidsdid you know that cows are in a constant state of ketosis, as are predators?
>>76931765>the idea that hunter gatherers werent big or didn't reproduce a lot or died early on average are baseless myths.lmaoDo you really think hunter-gatherers lived as long as modern people?Also, carbs came into our diet far before Babylon, doofus. Even hunter gatherers had carbs. What the fuck do you think they were gathering (you know, 50% of the whole hunter-gatherer bit)? You think fruits are fat and protein?
>>76930559You definitely won't make nearly as good gains as keeping carbs high post lifting especially. Your body creates carbs anyways through ketosis but just won't fill your glycogen entirely. Eat some corn or potatoes hippie.
>>76935866No one mentioned anything about carbs and as usual, defeatist historical revisionism trannies cant provide evidence for WHG or any pre-bronze age people not living long enoughLet me guess you also believe bullshit like only 20% of men ever reproducing ?
>>76931121"keto flu" are just carb withdrawal symptoms. You get used to it after a few times, then you just get some slight nausea for a few hours. If it lasts weeks I'd say it's due to people doing it wrong, usually this boils down to trying to cheat with garbage "keto" food like "keto cake" with "3 net carbs". The fastest way to get into a ketogenic state is to fast and walk. Emptying out stored glycogen should be the top priority.Anyway, keto (the real version, i.e. mostly FAT) is silly, just go low carb, high protein.
>>76936372>this boils down to trying to cheatSo many people self sabotage their keto and then blame keto. People do not understand that you cannot have cheat days or a few carbs because it is not like cico where it is simply macro numbers keto actually alters your state.
>>76930559>I'm on the carnivore dietLMFAOOOOOOOOOOO
>>76937023I remember when I was in ketosis full swing, dark red on the ketostix and one fucking pear later it didn't react at all>>76937075>kid
If I did carnivore I'd really need to have the calories dialed in I like eating excess too often
>>76930559EAT CARBS AND VEGETABLES. You'll never get more muscle mass unless you eat the carbs necessary to fuel growth.
>>76931765Candy mid-workout gives me a big performance boost I would run you down and rape you via my supreme sugar power
>>76937233>I remember when I was in ketosis full swing, dark red on the ketostix and one fucking pear later it didn't react at allAre keto test sticks even necessary? One thing I noticed in ketosis is that my pee gets very dark yellow, orange even.And that's just from fasting for 16 hours. For me, it's the most obvious sign that the body is burning a lot of fat.Does this stay like this if you remain in ketosis long-term, for weeks and months?Most of my experience with ketosis comes from fasting. I haven't really been in ketosis for long bouts of time.
>>76930559I ate blocks of cheese and got constipated
>>76937075what happened and also vaxx status?
>>76937466They're good for beginners, because they cut through the bullshit advice infesting "keto forums". Keto pizza this, keto cake that, muh net carbs, muh 20 carbs a day, etc. Blood tests would be better, but cost 20x. The thing with the strips is that they react to ketones peed out, i.e. wasted. When you become more adept at utilizing them, there's less waste, so the sticks lose their usefulness. But by then you know what works.Pee color shouldn't change, that's just dehydration. Burning body fat takes a LOT of water. I do low carb from time to time and get into it by water fasting 3 days, it's the most efficient way. That, combined with ideally walking the whole day. Get up, fill backpack with water bottles, get out, come back at night. Water fasting makes me dizzy when e.g. standing up, but that's from a lack of salt. A tiny bit now and then fixes that (I use BBQ salt).
>>76937075Fried bacon, sausage, smoked meat and steaks is just asking for a million AGEs. If you're gonna do the carnivore meme you might as well go all the way and eat it all raw.
>>76937743to go full carnivore and be optimal you need to drink fresh blood. otherwise your hydration is going to be ass, and you will also have blood sugar issues if you do any exercise.may as well have a few carbs to hit the deficiencies.
>>76937790This is the biggest carnivore redpill and probably why most people end up quitting the diet. I can't stay hydrated without drinking a shit-ton of milk and adding some honey and fruit (and also adding a lot of salt to my meat). I strongly believe that all of this is only necessary because I don't have access to fresh blood. I've had blood a few times and there is nothing quite like it. It feels amazing.
>>76937251That's like the main thing carnivore fixes
>>76930559I can bulk easily enough. More fat. I can bulk but don't get "fluffy" if that makes semse. I stay less bloated. Eat more fat. Omelettes are a great surefire way. You can make massive ones with lots of cheese (or pork belly, or whatever fat you want really), cut them up, and store 3 or 4 days worth. Eat them cold like sandwiches for in between meals. Beats the shit out of gagging down pasta and rice and just being fat.
>>76937474You ate fake cheese.
>>76931642Modern world was built on top of billions of grain slaves. Now that we have modern technology, we don't need to do that anymore. We don't need slaves. Pfizer agrees with me. Take your booster.
>>76937075Atherosclerosis doesn't form in a couple of years. Plus, this guy had CAC before he even changed diet. Guess what he ate before? SAD diet - which is plant based primarily. Many such cases.
>>76937790>>76938175Instead of drinking animal blood you could just supplement a bit of magnesium and salt your food to taste for about 6 months until you adapt. I cramped up a bit after workouts in the first couple of months but it stopped after that long. Eating one large meal a day helps a lot too, since it helps insulin signaling for electrolyte retention.
>>76939013I've tried supplementing magnesium, but it always gives me diarrhea.
>>76930559Just add in a gallon of milk a day, it’s an animal product
>>76939240Then either you didn't need magnesium and probably just needed more sodium, or you bought the wrong kind. Citrate/oxide tends to do that, make sure you're getting glycinate.
