Can we have a grown-up discussion about Keto?I don't like the keto diet. I did strict carnivore for 1.5 years, thinking that I have to get "fat adapted" to notice all its benefits, but I didn't really get any. No appetite-suppression, no extra mental clarity, just a boring-as-fuck diet.However, I still think high-carb diets are harmful for us. There are some huge warning signs:- Carbs rot our teeth (indirectly, by feeding cavity-producing bacteria).- Except for breast milk and honey, all carb sources are unnatural. There were no bread, rice, potatoes, or big juicy fruits in nature until we bred them a few k years ago.- End-stage cancer patients sometimes heal by going full keto.Please convince me why a low-carb diet isn't much healthier for us. I love carbs and I don't have a harmful relationship to them. But the evidence against them is convincing.
>>76931188> Can we have a grown-up discussion > I did strict carnivore for 1.5 yearsNo, we can't.
>>76931188Fruits and Honey have naturally occurring sugar in them
>>76931193I think trying things out yourself (and giving it a proper chance by doing it for an extended period of time) is better than listening to opinions online, because there is no good nutrition science. Everyone is just winging it. And doctors are trained to prescribe drugs.
>>76931200>Fruits and Honey have naturally occurring sugar in themRight, but fruits looked like this before we bred them into tree candy.Honey probably always existed but we wouldn't find a bee hive every day.
>>76931188I've been thriving on a high carb diet. But the only vegetables I eat is root vegetables
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>>76931606I thought you only like "eighteenies"
>>76931188>Carbs rot our teeth Brush your teeth. >Except for breast milk and honey, all carb sources are unnaturalNaturalistic fallacy. Tons of natural things are terrible for us. >End-stage cancer patients sometimes healVery little evidence behind this. Mostly case studies and some case studies have shown worse results with keto. >But the evidence against them is convincing.There isn't really any scientific evidence they are bad for us. Whole grains, fruits and veggies are associated with positive health outcomes.
>>76931653>Naturalistic fallacy.There is no such thing as "appeal to nature fallacy" when it comes to health and biology.The appeal to nature fallacy was coined by a writer called G. E. Moore, who specifically stated it only applied to moral judgment and moral arguments.When you are talking about health, biology and the human body, you are talking about nature and appealing to nature in this context is a valid argument.If you deny the role of our natural environment in how it shaped our biology, you are essentially denying the theory of evolution.
just take glucosamine dihydroberberine if you refuse to give up carbs. glucosamine acts like a carb restriction memetic. berberine is basically a nutrient partitioning agent.
>>76931188because jews coopted carnivore and keto, and made it so only real keto can be achieved when you eat a stick of butter a day, put bacon and cheese in everything, drown everything in ranch, etc. the nose fears anti carb and especially anti grain diets.
Unfortunately i can't do zero carbs because the increase in catecholamines on high fat/low carb diets makes me super anxious. I am quite prone to ruminating and worrying and on low carb diets that's 10x worse.>inb4 pussyCongratulations on having had a normal childhood and a functional amygdala. Trust me if i could cut it out with power tools or disable it with a cocktail of drugs that wouldn't wreck my brain, I would have done so already.
>>76931697It actually applies more to health and biology. Is cyanide natural? Poison mushrooms? Poison Ivy? Hemlock? There are likely more natural things in this world that will harm us than help us.On the other side there are unnatural things like antibiotics which have saved millions of lives. There is no universal law that states natural things are good for us, it's just an intuition you have.
