2 years and 9 months of gym and he skyrocketed
>>76934206>eats ice cream on couch"How did he do it? Genetics?"
>>76934210I've been training for 3 years and I barely look better than left-hand side
>>76934213What are your training methods and what are his training methods?
>>76934214I don't know him personally, I just found his Twitter account randomly and he says he "tries" to go to the gym 4 times a week
>>76934213Same here. I'll assume it's low T in my case.
>>76934218But I make good progress on my lifts, do you also make decent progress on your loads?
>>76934213>>76934218What do you eat, and how do you lift?
>>76934225I've tried several types of routine, I'm doing a split right now but I've also tried PPL and Full Body. I'm 70kg and 176cm and I'm trying to hit a caloric surplus everyday, around 3300kcal. I make decent progress on my lifts but I barely look like a lift.
>>76934216What are your training methods? Maybe he has experience working out and was able to do things more perfectly.For me personally i lifted for years but experimented a lot and feel like if i had done things better i would look like that. I think id look like that with better abs and smaller chest rn if i cut hard. Figuring how to isolate my chest has a big challenge. But my biggest challenge is cutting i kepp fucking it up.Also im a man with stress and a career. He looks young.
>>76934218>>76934213>>76934225Not those anons but Ill list what I suspect it is>Get gym membership>go 2-3 times a week>dumbbell curls>a few lat pulldowns, not too many, dont wanna get too out of breath for my other sets. Ill do maybe 2 sets of 6 at 60% max load>bench press (WOOO YEAH BUDDY!) 2 sets of horsing around. 60% load. Gotta save energy for my other sets >whatever else I can be bothered doing. You know what going to failure is tough work ill stop when I start to feel it a bit. 70% load. 2 sets of 4>no creatine>not enough protein
>>76934230>I've tried several types of routines.That in and of itself is a problem. You have to stick to something for a while. It also gives me the impression that you'll do a routine for like a month and then take a week off. That's enough to kill your gains.>decent progress on liftsHow decent is decent? A newbie lifter should be increasing reps or weight EVERY WEEK. If not, you're not eating enough, going to failure, or sleeping enough.
>>76934239I would argue sticking to a routine for the sake of sticking to the same routine has many anons looking dyel. Sometimes changing training methods gets me where i need to be.
>>76934232For my entire first year and a half, I did things wrong because I wasn’t eating properly (not enough protein). But I really don’t understand those people who make super fast progress right from the start. Does that mean they do everything perfectly, without any flaws, from the start? He said himself he didn't have any prior experience in sports, and just went to the gym "with some vague memories of what PE teachers told us"When I read his tweets, I don’t get the impression that he’s particularly smart either. On top of that, at some point one of his friends (who has a less impressive physique than him) mentions the machine where you lie down and that mimics the bench press (I don’t know the English name for it, sorry), and the guy says: “I don’t know what it’s called, I just find this exercise fun to do.”I feel like I had to move heaven and earth and read a ton just to even try to succeed in lifting, while some people have a really high-quality physique even though they don’t seem to master something as basic as the names of the exercises they’re doing.
>>76934218im pretty sure i'm low T and I look somewhere inbetween the left and right photo after 10 months of training. maybe your diet or program is lacking?
>>76934237>>76934239Yeah a lot of "permanent beginners" genuinely can't tell the difference between "I literally cannot generate enough force to lift this weight even if there was a gun to my head" and "lifting this again would feel super duper uncomfortable">>76934245Yes, but 6 months in, not 1 month in. And a lot of the variance is just switching up exercises in the same group, not just upending your whole routineBeginners shouldn't be chasing "the most optimal" routine. Imagine if someone wanted to learn calculus and bought a textbook. Instead of reading the textbook and doing the practice problems, he watched YouTube videos all day about "What textbook is the best", and switched textbooks routinely without going more than 1 chapter in.
>>76934247I have no idea who this guy is but if someone gets jacked, no they werent horsing around in the gym and stupidThis guy would have gone full tilt from day 1. Autistically following a 5 day split, maxing out protein, creatine, maxing out lifts to failure every time, no skipping daysMost gym noobs spend 6 months messing around until they find a serious routine. If someone is serious they skip all that. The information is out there
>>76934247It could be he did things perfectly, could be genetics, could be drugs. I wouldnt worry about some other person's timeline. We are all different. If you continue to put in effort and push yourself past where you thought possible then you will continue to see gains.A lot of people say they do a lot and till failure.When i think of doing a lot till failure i think of lifting hard then doing crazy cardio and body weigh stuff untill i think im going to literally shit shit myself for football. Effort is relative. Push yourself past where you thought was impossible. It isnt.
>>76934206That's a long time though
>>76934239>>76934245I find your exchange interesting; you can already see that, even on this simple topic, you don’t agree with each other. Regarding my own case, I’m trying to find the balance between “changing routines too often” (which I’ve known since the beginning is a classic beginner mistake) and “waiting too long before changing a flawed program” (which I also know is a possible mistake).In reality, I haven’t changed routines that much. I’d say I try new things roughly every six months. For example, right now I’m on a routines that’s fairly close to a bro split. I know this kind of structure is often criticized, since each muscle is only trained once per week. I’ve added some “reminder” sessions for certain muscles so that it’s closer to a frequency of two, but it’s still not a true frequency x2 setup like PPLx2 or ULUL would be, for instance.I prefer to test things myself, even if they’re criticized, so I can form my own opinion. In fact, across all the routines I’ve tried, I’ve always progressed well in terms of strength. The problem is that my physique doesn’t really change. My numbers aren’t extraordinary by /fit/ standards, but they’re starting to be quite good compared to what people do at my gym, and I’ve even had people come up to me to comment on it and congratulate me.However, even if people at my gym lift less than I do, they completely annihilate me physically.
>>76934255>not 1 month inYeah, missed that part.
>>76934247He doesn't do anything right you just have shit genetics bro
>>76934206He made such progress because he probably has good muscle building genetics, was consistent and was lean from the beginning.Nowadays its hard to tell if someone is on roids or not because of how easy they are to get and there's a lot of easy information on them so it never possible to know if he took roids or not.But that transformation is possible naturally in that time frame if he had the right genetics and discipline.
>>76934254Yeah from living like shit for years maybe? Trying to put on mass while eating like a girl?
>>76934265I'm >>76934239 and >>76934255I think that changing after 6 months is fine. You mentioned good progress on strength. What are those numbers (and timeframe) and has your bf% been consistent?
>>76934265>>76934265If you tried multiple routines in the period of a month than i agree with that anon. 6ish months makes more sense.I go higher volume and probably progress more in mass than strength. Much of the ti.e i go up in weight, find the wrong muscles taking over, then go back diwn and focus and making each rep last longer while focusing on eccentric and concentric movements.More than one way to skin a cat. The most universal truth i have found is that tge longer you lift the better you loookI personally lift seeking doms in the targeted muscles. I need to feel the target muscle in a good squeeze.
>>76934275I'd bet any money on roids, put him in jail for a few months it's not like they're just going to tell you the truth that they have narcotics in their possession genius.
>>76934276yeah definitely from living like shit, but even before that I don't think it was particularly high. I was fat when I started lifting. Took a testosterone test about 6 months back and was on the very low end of normal. T levels might be higher now that I'm not fat anymore but I don't think they'd be anything crazy
>>76934276The problem is their ability, which I find incredible, to build muscle extremely fast. Let’s say someone struggles to make progress because they have trouble eating enough: shouldn’t the people who don’t have that appetite issue end up looking much fatter?I’ve been told ever since I started that building muscle takes time, that it’s something you earn slowly. But look at this explosion : what are they doing SO MUCH BETTER than everyone else to be able to progress like that!!
>>76934206Ive developed a pretty strong back and some good traps in just a few months of lifting heavy and hard. His physique is possible, youre just lifting like a faggot OP
>>76934293Good amount of fat and he looks like he's short too
>>76934293>explosion>almost 3 years6 months or a year i would say peds. 3 years? I mean it could be peds but it could easily be natty.
>>76934297"I can't lift it anymore">t. 5RIR>>76934255I really like this "gun to the head" phrase
>>76934293>I’ve been told ever since I started that building muscle takes timeYeah 3 years is quite some time, nothing extraordinary here.
>>76934292>not fatTry to pack on some muscle before resorting to steroids anon. Not spinning your wheels between 10lbs of waterweight and food in your stomach then calling it a day.
>>76934298Yes he's not that lean but you can see that he built a lot of muscle mass anyway
>>76934310That's doable in 2yrs everyone is just either roided or not so great at lifting so there is actually no point of reference
>>76934310ehhhh i don't know man i have no idea what this guys height is, also pictures can be really deceiving
>>76934309oh i'm not OP lol and definitely not doing steroids. I was just giving my input that even with low T levels you should be looking way better after 3 years of lifting than the picture on the left. I'm only 9-10 months in, still got a long way to go before i start crying about genetics kek
>>76934316173cm
>>76934206wow in 2 years he learned how to take a pic while pumped and with low lighting
>>76934289Here you’re touching on a sensitive point for me that’s been there since the very beginning of my training, which is that I don’t really feel my muscles when I work out: little (or even no) pump, little (or even no) sensations. Of course, it depends on the muscle, the exercise, and the day, but overall I’d say it’s a barren wasteland when I train.I don’t particularly feel that the muscle I’m training is actually being worked, and some people consider that a red flag that needs to be fixed. But how are you supposed to do that? After passing the one-year mark of training, I decided to try a routine focused on proprioception and mind–muscle connection, with exercises where the tempo was slowed down and the movement broken down into all its phases. And apart from making me sick of lifting and almost making me consider quitting altogether (since you go to the gym just to trigger sensations that never come), it didn’t help me feel my muscles any better.
>>76934293>what are they doing SO MUCH BETTER than everyone else to be able to progress like that!!It's one of two thing.GeneticsRoidsSometimes bothNowadays it's reasonable to think roids only but sometimes people will just have really good genetics and can get big in a relatively short time.The best way to figure it out is to know if it was consistent progression over those 3 years or did he blow up in less than 1 year.Like that one mysterymeat zoomer guy who blew up on social media a few months ago where he started as a guy doing calisthenics in his garage with a ladder and broom to being super jacked in less than a year.
>>76934293Elite level lifting iq makes a shitload of difference. Diet has a huge skillcap and technique usually doesn't even allow for much gains at all for diet to even matter. I'm betting on him having slight gyno or even surgery, this would be about as good as you can get natty though in that time imo.What most people don't do is fucking lift often enough or go hard enough assuming good technique. Nobody really even goes close to too much training or calories to even see how they should optimize their shit for the best gains.
>>76934328He said picture on the left was taken in January 2023 and the one on the right in August 2025, and he started going to the gym in March 2023 (so I guess he did bodyweight exercises from January to March 2023?). I found a picture of him in August 2024 and he looked like that. I don't look like that at all after 3 years into lifting, even if I try to take a good picture with good lighting and camera angles.
>>76934363Wow I've made a mistake, this is not the picture I wanted to attach. The picture above is him now. The picture attached to this message is him back in August 2024
>>76934322Hmmmm my advice is to go down in weight by a small increment and simply focus on squeezing and moving particular muscles you want to focus on.
>>76934357We agree that most people don’t train in an optimal way, and I certainly don’t either. But why would he be doing it better than everyone else? Why would he have the key and not the others? And above all, do you really need to train optimally to make progress in lifting?Is the difference between his results and mine really just due to the fact that he does everything right and I’m missing a few details? Does lifting really come down to such small details? I’m reminding you that he didn’t even know the name of a chest exercise he does and said he does it because he finds it “fun.”I wouldn’t say that the exercises I do are “fun,” because I’m so exhausted when I do them that it’s more painful than anything else (sure, there are exercises you like more than others, but to the point of calling an exercise “fun,” I find that strange). And of course I know the name of every exercise I do, as well as the names of most exercises that probably exist in lifting and are common.What I’m trying to say is that I don’t get the impression that the most involved people are necessarily the ones who progress the best. Or maybe he’s putting his effort into the things that really matter, and I’m not. I don’t know.
>>76934317Take some progress pics with a reference point for sure. Unless you're growing out of clothes which shrink anyways it's hard to tell, I actually think I'm getting smaller in the mirror unless I take weekly photos since the pump+being well fed is such a huge difference. Ya know most people rehydrate their fat cells and stop bulking, you didn't actually gain fat and your muscles didn't have time to be hydrated which carbs are the main proponent for gaining mass and recovering strength. As in protein synthesis requires you to be carbed up plus as the word carbo"hydrate" kind of entails.
>>76934322And look into eccentric amd concentric movements
>>76934376I've already tried that and I still don't feel anything... At best, sometimes I feel something during my warm-up sets, but it’s very slight and it completely collapses as soon as I put on anything heavier than very light warm-up weights. On the other hand, on some exercises I feel absolutely nothing regardless of the load, especially with free weights. The more technical and compound an exercise is, the less I feel it. But even on isolation exercises, I don’t feel much.In general, I get the impression that sensations are central for a lot of people at gym, and that they rely on them to evaluate their progress and their effort. But for me, they’re almost completely absent from my training. If I hadn’t read forums constantly talking about this (and people at the gym too, who spend their time chasing the pump and sometimes say that if they don’t feel it, it’s a bad sign!), I would never have guessed it myself.
>>76934322How can you workout and not have a pump? Like wutt
>>76934206>redness on the upper chest>veins everywhereGee I wonder what he could have taken that increases muscle mass and blood pressure.
>>76934411…a pump?
>>76934418You get sunburn like redness on your chest from a pump?See a cardiologist asap buddy.
>>76934425okay rakeesh, thats what happens to white people when they have a pump, not that you would knowshitskin
>>76934396Put something in your hand and squeeze tight. You dont feel your forearm flex? Of course you do.
>>76934425yeah actually>see a cardiologistmy shitty heart has nothing to do with it I’m just white as fuck
>>76934434No, I don't "feel" the forearm flexing, I feel my digits compressing on each other but that's all. I can see the forearm flexing but I don't "feel" it.
>>76934380He's going for size and not strength peaking, huge difference in gains and easier to optimize with a bulking diet. Of course he's doing strength if you look at the muscle quality. Idk if roided to be honest his veins were already bulging but I'm more suspicious he just started juicing by left. Some people just happen to be doing something right and it doesn't take effort since they're lucky. If I wanted to replicate this I'd guess he likes machines/cables for chest over freeweights because freeweights and barbell for upper body build a more solid dense physique ofc both is nice, but it doesn't look like he has as much success on things only a barbell hit like super widegrip bench or easy dense size from a ton of incline/mp. You'll notice his bis look solid dense and big than other muscles, they're easier to hit and probably does freeweights and lowish reps some of the time. Also the way the muscle inserts says roids to me, blocky etc over flowing so don't base your success on a roider that being said most of his progress is easily replicable.It's definitely doable but arnold isn't showing anyone how to get his chest and even if he did it's something more that only he understands. I for one threw shit at the wall for a while and got pretty big way faster years in. Lifting iq is way more important than anything or just getting shit right by chance. He likely has a home gym where people can't copy his routine and lifts. And fyi the reason his arms are so dense and big to recreate is that arms are easier to hit than chest or delts since it's a 2d joint, so it's easy to do correctly heavy without injury and I'd guess 3ish reps to failure a lot and a lot of 5-10 for extra size.
>>76934444go see a doctor
>read sticky>Google upper lower routine for babby>eat giga protein and 4000 calories a day for a year>cut for 6 monthsHow do people fuck it up?
>>76934460Some people are just plain retarded
>>76934380>having funYou'll see more success doing "extra" work than optimizing technique and waiting to be strong every session. There's always something optimal for sure or a better way but people neglect to realize when they're doing junk volume sure it'll do something but if your goal is hypertrophy of a certain muscle or even to target specific fibers moreso by formhacking, or to make the most amount of weight move there's more ways to go wrong than right. I'd say get some techniques that move the most weight, give the best pump, then just go bttw with food for say 2wks or more then rest while still at a moderate bulk(focus say legs during this rest time) to see what kind of progress you can make currently. As you advance you'll likely get better at everything or even be healthier and pack on mass faster, but yeah this isn't at all unacheivable natty just don't expect basically elite biceps so quickly while ending up that lean by the deadline.
>>76934445But that’s precisely the point: I have never trained with strength-oriented formats. My sets are usually in the 8, 10, 12 or 15-rep range, and I do 3 or 4 sets per exercise, so this is very standard hypertrophy-oriented training. I’ve never deliberately aimed for short, low-rep sets, which are indeed usually recommended for people who want to increase their strength.I mentioned strength because people constantly say that strength and hypertrophy are strongly correlated, and that the main pillar of muscle growth is mechanical tension, which is achieved through progressive overload.The second pillar of muscle growth is supposed to be metabolic stress, but I find this concept much vaguer and less clearly defined, and I’m not sure I really understand what it covers. Because if it’s basically a synonym for “sensations,” then given that I have very little sensations, I probably struggle to activate this hypertrophy lever that is metabolic stress. But that’s another topic.I do some compound exercises (pull-ups, dips, deadlifts), but also a lot of cable work, machines, and a few classic dumbbell exercises (incline curls, lateral raises). I only do standard exercises, nothing weird or unconventional.That’s why I don’t understand why my physique seems so resistant to hypertrophy. There must be an elephant in the room that I’m not seeing, and I’d really like to finally see it.
If it’s not abundantly clear to you that that guy is enhanced at a glance you are one naive mother fucker
>>76934363See that's a ton of progress and unless the op pic is dehydrated+no pump+cutting and deflated, I'd assume that's about 1yr of insane progress, and hes still lean it's just not easy to constantly be cutting and not have progress slowed considerably even with god tier dieting. Mostly the triceps progress, I see it's flexed against the lats but still I'm betting not natty here.
>>76934485Why is it clear to you? What are the signs?
>>76934482I think i know what your problem is
>>76934485You retarded faggots think im on roids too. Keep lifting, bud.
>>76934492What is it then?
>>76934495you are a massive pussy
>>76934485>>76934363I would not call this abive natty limit though it's just the muscle looks a lot different shape wise and a lot of hyperteophy on natties is about as rare as finding a medical doctor. Idk about you but I can't really think of anyone with comparable qualities like boulder shoulders, big pecs, huge lats, etc that isn't roided.
>>76934496?_?
>>76934508It looks very BIG for such a short timeframe and such a poor starting point. I've known natty gym-goers with very impressive bodies but they had more than 8 years of lifting behind them and their arms wouldn't look like that
>>76934525I didn't realize the lighting but that's doable in about a year maybe year and a half if you gain some fat for sure, or at least cut and bulk really well. I recently put on some decent mass without gaining much weight and if I were less lazy I could see it being a similar amount of progress but I'd likely get a shoulder injury or have to cut a ton. But that's also putting all my energy and focus towards shoulders, doing them first most sessions, not easy to get max gains on every muscle hm.
>vascularity>gyno>roid rashjuicing loser obvs
>>76934580bro have you ever worked out?
>>76934460>babbyWhat is this?
>>76934206Hey, baguette manDo you plan on making this thread every fucking week? rhon rhon rhon
>>76934328>twig wristsRoids over genetics doing the work here. Still hard work but don't kys if you're natty and don't look like the right.
>>76934213because you arent on trt
>>76935266how do I train forearms?
>>76934648> someone else recognises this faggotplease keep him, he terrorised the french 4chan for fucking years and its high time he fucked off. i'm sorry but i'm also not, just please adopt our board autist and water it occasionally.TY americans
>>76934213post body, odds are youre just too self critical or body dysmorphia nigger
>>76934206.. and compare him to me (op)It’s genetics isn’t it
>>76935304This madman is such in a loop that I'm starting to recognize his stylometry. The way he phrases sentences is typical of a foreigner.Anyway, you're welcome, we'll gladly entertain this fucking queer until he leaves for r/bodybuilding.
>>76935333less cum guzzling, more protein shakes
>>76934206>short time>almost 3 yearsNigger, if you actually lock in and do the program and have the form and have the diet, it works. You fuckers cheat on your diet, do half ass reps, don’t do progressive overload in some way shape or form, don’t sit and think for a fucking second when your body isn’t responding to this that or the other exercise and try to find a solution. Turn your fucking brain on for a fucking minute.
>>76935333m8 those are mediocre results for even 1 year in the gym. i mean props for going from disgusting skinnyfat blob to regular human bean, but right looks like an untrained teenager who played sports in high school. (also kek at those downlit nipple shadows.) you possibly have some hormonal issue but much more likely have just been spinning your wheels rather than focusing on progressive overload and bulking/cutting
>>76935333For the love of GOD, clean that fucking MIRROR
>>76934206Good Evening.Due how the questions in the thread are formed, the amount of pictures provided, and the frequency of posts thereinI am having a strong suspicion that this thread has not been made because OP genuinely wants to gather knowledge.That is all.Good evening.
>>76934525>very impressiveYou should see my progress pics, most people on roids are trying to look natty I can just go nuts on volume after doing heavy shit enough and growth is easy. If a roider was doing what I was doing they'd be insane. I can easily put 1in on arms in 8mo etc. I've been doing delts+tris lately and I'm gaining a ton of mass without having to bulk. Get on the lift like a roider train they have to lift hard every time they inject botox and eat housewife slim pills.
>>76934255>a lot of "permanent beginners" genuinely can't tell the difference between "I literally cannot generate enough force to lift this weight even if there was a gun to my head" and "lifting this again would feel super duper uncomfortable"Some people are also just too stupid to understand basic biomechanics. Everyone remembers that one idiot who thought doing pushups would give you big biceps. A ton of people are like that.
>>76936010Impressive anon, it took you 5 minutes to understand what his fellow countrymen didn't get in 5 years.OP is a mentally ill, lying narcissistic faggot (pleonasm?) who roams fitness forums looking for attention. He has been doing it for years now, so please stop feeding this monster.
>>76935951No, I've been doing progressive overload, that's what I keep telling you. My weights increase at gym and yet my body looks terrible...
>>76936030He is from the French 4chan,he has a humiliation kink and gets off on you commenting on other guys bodyCheck the hash. Spams the same pics always, do not engage
>>76936083Je sais bien kheyou c'est ce que je viens d'expliquer.Je devrais avoir pitié, car ca doit pas etre facile tous les jours pour lui mais putain, si je dois me coltiner ce taré meme outre atlantique, ca va pas le faire
>>76936083ca me tue il continue le thread comme si on était pas la, tout va bien. Un cas d'école j'te dis
>>76934206How the fuck do you get wider?
>>76936198by adding muscle to your frame
>>76936254But how
>>76936083je ne sais point quel est ce marginal mais voir d'autres coms français me réchauffe le coeur
>>76936293nice try anglo, but your sentence makes no sense
>>76934206Thats a reasonable physique for 3 years of dedicated training anon
>>76936299je tentais un style pour faire genre, gros
>>76936304je note, tu peux désormais fermer ta gueule
>>76936308c'est pas très gentil ça...
>>76936313Je m'en excuse.Ataraxie sur ton poitrail, en dépit de.
>>76936320c'est pas grave, la dernière fois où mon être fut si malmené a été lord de ma visite du parc Spirou en Été
>>76936321Lord?Saleté de rosbeef, tu ne m'auras pas cette fois !
>>76936328ALL ALONG I WAS SIPPING TEA
>>76934206>skyrocketedHe literally just put on the usual noobie gains, lost like 5 pounds and tilted his body to have better lighning fall on his abs
>>76936330Sipping tea.. or how to make an already silly country gayer.
>>76936343How do you get noobie gains?
Why are French people like this
>>76936343OP is making fun of the guy for not knowing the name of an exercise (which doesn't make a difference), but can't comprehend angle frauding.Many such cases
>>76936347by going to the gym and training hard?
>>76934218>>76934254>>76934213here is a big secret: most people don't keep doing something when they don't immediately get results from it.Which means that most people that train are people with good genetics. People with bad genetics stop and do something else.
>>76936352My noobie gains don't look like that
>>76936362it's called noobie gains, not retard gains
>>76936366But the guy looks absolutely massive, I look average after a year, kinda like this but smaller >>76934367
>>76936373It's because you're a genelet. Your genes suck for muscle gains.T. fellow genelet.
stfu u spamming french jeet
>>76935333Like it's not good relative to the effort put in, but is it so awful?Post your weights.Also genuinely looks more like a steroid body than OP - shoulders and traps are fine, zero core
>>76936395I feel like my legs grew a in size and strength really quickly, but my arms struggle to get gains, any advice?
Looks like I'd expect a good 8-12 months to do, not 3 months. The most impressive thing is the cut.
>>76936278lifting weights
>>76934206>>>weak chin>gey earringjust looks like a powebottom
>>76936353>most people don't keep doing something when they don't immediately get results from itthis can't be trueyou wont get instant result from like 99% of shit you're doing
>>76936453But people with good genetics have good results quite fast, why would someone insist if they see after several years that they don't manage to get jacked?
>>76934237>>76934222Well, it's been a year and few months and I went from zero dips/bw pull ups to 14 without kipping. Right now I "progressively overload" by using a weighted 45lbs vest to do 5x5 pull ups and 3x8 dips. I've gained 25 pounds of weight as well but most of it went to my tits and love handles. I have no prior athletic background and I'm I have very scrawny build with tiny wrists. Strength gains are fine but I literally look more fatter with minimal gains in the back and shoulders. 5'11 170lbs btw.
>>76934206roids
