She's been vegan her whole life since conception and is healthy she's never even taken a Tylenol Why aren't you vegan?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v90Q4civ_ts
parents of vegan children should be in prison 100 percent
>>76937541Why? She's an adult now and is healthy
>>76937562Wow, she's a midget undoubtedly from malnutrition. You know eating meat was what enabled our ancestor's brains to grow dramatically, right?
The principles that make up a (whole food) vegan diet are the exact same that make up a healthy diet>Low fat>high fiber>high vegetable and fruit contentFrom a purely health perspective you can still hit these principles without being vegan. There are disadvantages to being vegan especially if you're active but they're not like, "kill you or insurmountable" disadvantages - it's mainly just things like>Protein quality is hard to achieve without good planning>Some supplementation may be a good idea, in particular b12 which, is ALREADY supplemented to livestock. You are taking a b12 supplement in some form either way. Most livestock do not produce b12 (that they absorb, almost all animals including humans produce it in the intestines) naturally, and those that do require certain conditions that almost certainly are not met. Cattle CAN produce it, but unlikely if they're not grass fed. Grain fed cattle tend to be supplemented with either b12 directly or cobalt. B12 is produced by microorganisms, and with our cleanliness standards in particular with water natural b12 production for any domesticated animals is effectively null.>Being militant is just a waste of time with how widespread animal products are and it's autistic to refuse food from others and pointless ethically if it's food that'll go to waste otherwisePeople get really upset about these things because food is just something we're emotionally attached to. There's nothing inherently unhealthy about a vegan diet, there's nothing you can't get with careful planning and supplemention. It's just tedious and autistic Take away the unhealthy processed vegan shit and it's objectively a very healthy diet.
>>76937562How old is she in that pic? Her face makes me think late teenager, so basically finished growing. Getting mogged by 3rd world niggers is not a good argument for veganism.>>76937493How old is she here? Her eyes look old.
>>76937617That's geneticsIt was cooking not meat
>>76937624>b12 which, is ALREADY supplemented to livestock.B12 supplements for livestock exist but they are not generally given. If ruminant lifestock is low in B12, they get cobalt, because ruminants make and absorb their own B12 from cobalt via bacteria in their intestines. Whether cobalt is required depends on the soil the feed is grown in. Many herds of cattle do not require supplementary cobalt. Lifestock only ever needs B12 supplementation in the first three months of life or on an individual basis due to a sickness. Calfs get B12 only when necessary too, since they are drinking milk (with B12 naturally in it) before their cecum(sic?) has grown at three months.Vegans always,no exception, require supplementation with B12. Other vitamins and minerals vitamins may require as supplements are Vitamin A and iron, amongst others. In both cases because plants contain a precursor to Vitamin A and heme-iron which the body has to convert into these two first. The conversion rate varies between people and some vegans therefore have to supplement. Of further concern is also bone mineral density in vegan children and vegans in general, which can be quite low compared to their peers.>Take away the unhealthy processed vegan shit and it's objectively a very healthy diet.Veganism is the only diet that requires pills/supplementation to not be lethal.
>>76937636Nah, our brains grew before we learned to cook. Controling fire and using it to prepare food requires a lot of brain power. Thanks to the use of primitive tools early hominids must have gained access to a very rich source of calories that fed their brain development. The only source that could have been was animal in nature. Something like using stones to crack the bones that lions left over after their meals to get at the marrow. In Africa only hyenas are equipped to get to the bone marrow from larger animals.
>>76937493She's lying on the internet>>76937562Most vegans lie about what they eat. Especially if they're trying to promote the diet on the internet with videos and don't want to look like they're dying
>>76937493>>76937562https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=haEt9uGHFEohttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oa_VI_URKS0https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l4V2ODQNFJIhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jjiIwcVqflYtrained from birth to worship seed slime sludge slop and niggers, a true vegan experience
>>76937675Hey, Moby made some banger songs.
>>76937696Lol no way fag
>>76937696lol stfu faggot his music sucks lel
>>76937696https://youtu.be/IJWlBfo5Oj0?si=M874wwq6iRAPCJiO&t=23
>>76937653Vegans can eat oysters those have b12 animal protein animal fat iodine epa dha and they are not conscious
>>76937707>>76937709Lift me up and Why does my heart... are great.
>>76937718Vegans don't typically eat oysters. Even though they are meat sponges, they're not plants. Veganism is not a rational position. It is an ethical, emotion driven stance. Which is why vegans are very prone to cherrypicking data, misrepresenting facts, produce and fall for propaganda and attempting to proseletize. Just laugh in their gaunt faces when they try to ambush you with wordplay and try to 'hold you accountable'.
>>76937493I've never had any paracetomal or ibuprofen in my life either or had a headache. Not that uncommon.
>>76937653While it is true that B12 is not produced by plants, it is also not produced by animals. Rather, B12 is the byproduct of a specific bacterial fermentation that thrives in soil, some fermented plant matter, dead flesh and the guts of animals. Fortunately, this bacteria is easily mass-produced for human consumption now, and many foods are fortified with it, so there is no need to eat animals in order to receive sufficient B12. It is a common misconception that B12 comes from the flesh of animals. However, the truth is far more complex. For instance, ruminant mammals like cows and sheep have stomachs with multiple chambers, and these are excellent growing environments for the bacteria that make B12. Equally important are the grasses these animals eat straight from the soil, which is another primary source of this nutrient. Taken together, the stomachs of ruminant mammals and the soil in the vegetation they eat provide them with the B12 their bodies need. In humans, however, B12 grows in the large intestine, which is located beneath the ileum where it is absorbed. Further, most of us are unwilling to eat unwashed produce, so we do not receive sufficient B12 from the soil. This leaves us with a choice. We can either consume the flesh of dead animals, which contains the B12 the animal has absorbed and is itself another medium for the growth of this bacteria, or we can supplement with B12. Interestingly, factory-farmed animals are regularly fed B12 supplements for various reasons, so it is logical to conclude that we could simply take a B12 supplement as well rather than passing it through the body of a non-human animal first
>>76937788>While it is true that B12 is not produced by plants, it is also not produced by animals. Rather, B12 is the byproduct of a specific bacterial fermentationReread my wording.>B12 in the soilThat gives at best trace amounts of B12 to the animal that eats soil. It is not absorbed from the soil into the plants, otherwise vegans would not need to supplement it. Yes, for us humans, B12 comes from animals. Or out of a factory.>Interestingly, factory-farmed animals are regularly fed B12 supplements for various reasonsAlready shat on that vegan talking point in my last post. Vegsns incubate so many falsehoods in their gay echo chambers.Have some fatty fish. Your brain needs it.
>>76937617>You know eating meat was what enabled our ancestor's brains to grow dramatically, right?This is a theory and it has always been an absurdly retarded theory.
>>76937807Yeah, it was actually animal fat.
>>76937806Why are you so angry and emotional? Did keto nuke your hormones like it did for everyone else? I was merely correcting a few things you got wrong. You should lay off the cow milk and try some pea milk, there's no animal estrogen in pea milk.
>>76937807Dude, plants have dogshit bio-availability, this is PROOF that we are not adapted to them and that we ate meat, which has excellent bio-availability. how dumb are you seriously. Shilling a diet that kills babies and leaves adherents seriously sick... wish mods would just ban vegans at this point, there is no debate to be had, how the fuck do you debate bio-availability facts? It's like coming here every day telling people to eat grass and cardboard FUCK OFF BACK TO YOUR DISCORD.
>>76937788Get a load of these gold medal mental gymnastics. The "aykshyually" saturation is total. Absolutely retarded. This is the mind of a dreadlocked, brainrotted, leaf sucking rat pushing an out of date religion that only pant wetting remnants still think is fashionable or, even more hilarious, ethical. Lol
>>76937818You are a very boring.
>>76937819He comes here to annoy us. The guy is asshurt that other people don't like to eat bread and beans.
>just eat carnivore brohttps://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/35254136/>Using these, very high-protein diets (> 3.4 g/kg/day) appear to decrease testosteron
>>76937819>bio-availabilityThis is a retarded marker considering a lot of plant matter is fiber. If something is 70% fiber and 30% bioavailable that doesn't make it better nor worse. Retarded logic. Think before your solve a captcha next time, fatass.
>>76937822The meme power of the resentful vegan homo everyone. Lol, impeccable wit. Bill Gates thanks you for your shilling.
>>76937822>chimpsAre not a human ancestor>neanderthalsAte a lot of meat. Most pre-agricultural human ancestors ate a diet of around 50% animals, 50% plants. You should eat a lot of meat, fruits, and vegetables. More meat is better. >modern day tribal niggersNot even the ancestors of most niggers alive today.>VikingsNot your ancestors either because you're a nigger.
>>76937853>leftGuy who wants to replace white people so he can have more curry.>rightGuy who roids hard for that little while lying about his diet like all the other vegans.
>>76937869>adhom>>76937872>adhomThis is your brain on keto
>>76937816>>76937819>how dumb are you seriously. Shilling a dietI'm not shilling anything, you reactionary emotional baby. I eat meat, I'm just pointing out that>brain growth came from eating cooked meatis a THEORY and it's a retarded THEORY.The idea behind this THEORY is that it was excess calories from the bioavailability of cooked meat that gave our brains the nutrition it needed to start growing. This is retarded once you think about it for a few seconds. If that were all it took, there are countless examples of animals with access to a natural caloric surplus.See this pic? These are some chimpanzees sitting in a cape fig tree. Each fig is around 45 calories, for humans. Chimpanzees can digest more of the fiber so they'll get a little bit more. In this picture alone, a tiny portion of the entire tree, there are a little over 70 fruits. Literally one branch of this tree, over 3,000 calories. And chimps are omnivores of course so they're also eating bark and leaves and bird eggs and insects and whatever the fuck else they can find. The daily caloric need for an adult chimp is around 2,000 calories, by the way.So one chimp can sit in this one tree and eat fruit for 30 minutes and effortlessly get 150% of his daily calories. But his brain growth is being bottlenecked by calories? I fucking doubt it. We don't know why our brains did what they did but some theories are dumber than others.
>>76937886Forgot my pic while calling other people retarded, oops! You're still retarded though.
>>76937653>B12 supplements for livestock exist but they are not generally given. If ruminant lifestock is low in B12, they get cobalt, because ruminants make and absorb their own B12 from cobalt via bacteria in their intestines. Whether cobalt is required depends on the soil the feed is grown in. Many herds of cattle do not require supplementary cobalt. Lifestock only ever needs B12 supplementation in the first three months of life or on an individual basis due to a sickness. Calfs get B12 only when necessary too, since they are drinking milk (with B12 naturally in it) before their cecum(sic?) has grown at three months.It doesn't seem like we disagree too much here. The main point I'm trying to get at is that most meat is supplemented in some way shape or form to have adequate b12 in the first place. Absolutely most beef production is supplemented with cobalt, and almost all chicken/pig livestock are supplemented with b12. The reason for that is because natural sources of b12 (which is produced exclusively by microorganisms) are effectively wiped out by modern cleanliness standards. Which isn't a bad thing necessarily. There's bacteria in soil and water sources that produce b12 and that just doesn't reach us or domestic livestock. Not that I'm arguing that we could reasonably get enough b12 from untreated water/unwashed crops (dubious claim), but your source of b12 is already heavily supplemented.>Of further concern is also bone mineral density in vegan children and vegans in general, which can be quite low compared to their peers.Absolutely a concern. Vegan diets need careful planning to avoid malnutrition. Keep in mind most vegans are vegan for ethical reasons and not health reasons, they are clueless on nutrition.>Veganism is the only diet that requires pills/supplementation to not be lethal.And? Even if we are to assume this to be true at face value... And? You can just supplement...
Bioavailability is the degree by which something can be absorbed by the body. Bioavailability is specific for every type of food and every nutrient therein. I.e. the protein in meat might have a bioavailability of 80%, while the fat in it has a bioavailability of 90%. Once again the vegan proves he is too stupid to be taken seriously. He is distinguishable from a chatbot only in that chatbots at least might hallucinate an amusing falsehood and not just boring idiocy.
>vegan activist Surely she would never lie to give herself greater vegayn street cred. Although I'm inclined to trust her, bitch is shaped like a fucking pygmy. Not just a short person, she looks malformed.
>>76937886That chimps brain growth is being bottlenecked by how large his digestive tract has to be to digest mostly plant matter. There's a number of energy expenditure/body mass that remains almost constant between all animals. Humans literally decreased the energy required for their guts in favor of brain power. That had to have been enabled by sourcing calories from a more easily digestible source. The only possible source of calories that could have been is animal fat and protein.
>>76937869>>76937872>CHAD hominem argumentIrrefutable logic and rhetoric. I concede to your points.
>>76937493 I like meat and it's healthier than shitty supplements.
>>76937493kys vegan cuck
>>76937898>The reason for that is because natural sources of b12 (which is produced exclusively by microorganisms) are effectively wiped out by modern cleanliness standards.Retarded. Soil was never a serious part of the human diet. Yes, even medieval peasants washed and peeled their vegetables. Animal feed is not particularly clean. Most of the time it's ground up plamt matter from a combine harvester that's more or less dumbed on the ground in front of the animals.>You can just supplementMany people can not or can only poorly absorb supplemented nutrients. Supplements are never meant to replace a proper diet. We also don't know all the nutrients the human body needs yet. There are still some unknowns. Then there are nutrients that are not life threatening when missing, like B12, but a lack of which absolutely decrease health and well-being. Even if we had full knowledge of all our dietary needs down to yet unknown micro nutrients, we'd still need to tailor a supplementation regime for every person, because the rates of absorption and of the bodily functions that produce things like creatin also varies between people. So no, supplementation alone does not cut it in many cases. Many of veganisms most outspoken critics have themselves been longtime vegans who just couldn't do it due to their failing health at some point.
>>76937675I guess his extreme ways work for him
>>76937493Fetuses aren't vegan. They get nutrition from their mother's body.Babies aren't vegan either. Vegans don't drink milk.
>>76937950Somen people get lucky and do not run into deficiencies.Helps being very rich.
>>76937918>Humans literally decreased the energy required for their guts in favor of brain power. That had to have been enabled by sourcing calories from a more easily digestible sourceWhy? If you need more energy you can spend another 15 minutes eating fruit and get another 1,000 calories. Fruit sugars are far more easily digestible for humans than even cooked meat, by the way.>The only possible source of calories that could have been is animal fat and protein.And none of the countless species of carnivores that have existed throughout history ever developed our brains despite eating nothing but animal fat and protein, because...?
>>76937653>Veganism is the only diet that requires pills/supplementation to not be lethal.Irrefutable truth that vegan schizos try and pretend it's not a fact.
>>76937918Adult chimps have been observed to eat as much as 65g of meat a day. A primate eating meat is not some magic behavior exclusive to humans.
>>76937957Relying on this sort of disingenuous argument just shows intelligent people that you're just as stupid as the vegans. As >>76937624 explained, everyone needs b12 because it comes from microbes that we don't eat because our food is too clean. A vegan growing and eating their own unwashed fruit and vegetables would get plenty of b12.Why do you get so emotional over what other people choose to eat? Being emotional while trying to argue will always make you look like a fool. And since I'm sure you're desperate to call me a vegan by this point, I'll have to mention that I'm not.
>>76937954>Why? If you need more energy you can spend another 15 minutes eating fruit and get another 1,000 calories. Fruit sugars are far more easily digestible for humans than even cooked meat, by the way.It's not about total energy expenditure but expenditure in relation to body mass. Animals can't just be big, strong, fast, smart, egg laying, mamalian, amphibian and capable of flight. >And none of the countless species of carnivores that have existed throughout history ever developed our brains despite eating nothing but animal fat and protein, because...?Don't know what you mean. Carnivores tend to be more intelligent than their prey. Plus we got to eating meat by using tools. There isn't that much a lion can do with a bigger brain, but tools can have all kinds of cool purposes.Counter question, if we evolved our brains on fruits and plants, why are chimps still Africans?
>>76937966>Everyone needs b12>implying big pharma supplementationThis, another symptom of veganism, the inability to stop lying
>>76937958>mostly plant matterAs I said, our ancestors learned to access bone marrow thanks to tool usage (literally rocks) allowing them to smash open the bones. That's a very plentiful source of easily digestible calories and goes beyond 60g of meat a,day.
>>76937967>Counter question, if we evolved our brains on fruits and plants, why are chimps still Africans?see>>76937958If a primate eating meat results in bigger brains, pretty much every primate would be there by now. The only purely herbivorous primates are gorillas, pretty much everything else is pure omnivores.Look man I see that you're emotionally invested in diet like everyone else here. I'm not arguing for one diet over another. I'm arguing that the calorie surplus theory of brain growth is stupid. There are plenty of other more intelligent theories out there.
>>76937966> A vegan growing and eating their own unwashed fruit and vegetables would get plenty of b12.God I almost missed that one hahaha, "the Earth is flat bro I swear"-tier claim. Vegans are morally bankrupt
>>76937966>A vegan growing and eating their own unwashed fruit and vegetables would get plenty of b12.There are many, many good reasons why we wash our vegetables. One, we use animal shit as fertiliser. Two, wild animals shit in our fields.Three, all sort of parasites are in soil.Veganism requires pills to not be lethal.
>>76937974>If a primate eating meat results in bigger brains, pretty much every primate would be there by now.Already answered. So let me just point out that you can only have come to your position due to an extreme lack of understanding of biology and evolution. Just because animal foods enabled our ancestors to evolve bigger brains does not mean that other species have to evolve the same way with a (supposedly) similar diet. Our ancestors also moved out of the woods and into the plains. As far as I know chimps are still living in the woods. Just as one of many examples.>I'm arguing that the calorie surplus theory of brain growth is stupid.Many theories must sound stupid to you.
>>76937994>Just because animal foods enabled our ancestors to evolve bigger brainsI mean, you can repeat this all you want but repeating it won't make it any more true. It's a theory. It's one of many. You're emotionally attached to this theory in particular because you want to eat a very meat heavy diet and you like pretending that there's some evolutionary basis for it but there's really not.Any serious study of what humans or pre-human hominids ate during the periods you're describing shows a diet that included hundreds of grams of fiber a day. There is zero basis for the idea that we or our ancestors were ever anything but omnivores and the idea that meat is some magic food that made our brains grow is just silly.Let's be honest. We both know that you're doing that 4chan debate thing where you pretend to be an expert in a field you have only a superficial understand of at best. You read some wikipedia articles, you watched some youtube videos from your favorite celebrity diet influencer or whatever. And that's good, it's good that you're trying to learn, but this weird larp where you try to lecture on how this one particular theory (please look up the definition of that word, ok?) is the objective truth is just embarrassing.>>76937972>our ancestors learned to access bone marrow thanks to tool usage (literally rocks) allowing them to smash open the bones.You're describing homo habilis who were around 3 feet tall and maxed out at about 80lbs. There have always been other scavengers who crushed bones and these little midgets were in absolutely no position, physiologically, to fight off other scavengers, so they were eating the scraps of the scraps. Did they get more than 65g of meat a day? Probably not; definitely not consistently.
>>76937562You just KNOW
>>76938012I wonder where the black babes are. I swear you never see colored women in these pics.
>>76937951Her mother and father were vegan for years before conceiving her. A human woman breastfeeding her infant child is vegan I'm not surprised a meat eater doesn't understand consent
>>76937952I'm not rich and my blood work looks great despite being vegan for years
>>76938012American moment
>>76938010Lmao, please watch a youtube video on the term "enable".You are boring.
any long vegetarian elimination diet studies or whatever?any that takes out every animal related food but the ones everyone takes out first?bone broth, connective tissue, fat, skin. everyone fights over what works or not with the yummy shit, and then they fight over the health issues or development issues. Blah blah the environment. Noone hears a word about "I only eat scraps, blood, whey, eggshells, brews, bacteria and spiders. see what happens, maybe I save the planet with it and have all the benefits and no drawbacks. idk"Maybe the solution was the slop the whole time. Like how you can't just eat rabbits in your cabin in the woods. Too lean 4 us. Or how the rats die on those "perfect lab made diet" experiments. Something is lacking. Maybe the poop, puss and cockroach legs on your produce are the answer.
>>76938097I accept your concession.
>>76937493if she wants people to be vegan she should stop being a fat ugly bitch<that will turn people off from veganismi think webm-related is vegan
>>76938125https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O8gS-x-uA0Y
>>76937886Please learn basic anthropology and biology before you post midwit takes Compare human digestive tracks to other primatesCompare our diet to other primatesThe one thing early humans have over all other animals is cooking food and hyper intelligence. It’s all a long cause and affect the starts with cooking>cook food>more nutrients shorter digestion>shorter intestines>more room for brain growthAnd on and on it spiraled
>>76937493>suckled her mother's breastmilk as a babynot vegan
>>76938122Checked.But no, you are just stupid and arrogant. You got yourself worked up over >>76937807>eating meat was what enabled our ancestor's brains to growhttps://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/enableTo enable something is not to cause something. Your entire spergathon was pointless and missed the mark completely.>>76938125Lmao, that woman is as natural as the vegan diet.Have a picture of what vegans are eating. Best argument for foie gras imaginable.
>>76938132And what got us to cooking? Meat and animal fat. From there the process really started going.
>>76938152Yeah, I’m not arguing about meat fat vs veganism, I’m just pointing out that anon is fucking retarded if he isn’t able to connect the dots between cooking food and hyperintelligence.
>>76937653>B12 supplements for livestock exist but they are not generally givenThis was one of the major concepts that the Gamechangers put to bed definitively, or rather the hours and hours of debate the director did afterwards. If you have your cows that you don't supplement then fine I can't dispute that, but everyone else is giving their animals cobalt preemptively.
>>76937831Woman detected
>>76937904Do you know how bioavailability is measured?
>>76938110>early hominids were opportunists and scavengers>le chad hunter gatherers ate the shit out of everything and anything they could get their hands on not to starve, get sicc and die of death>ice agers scrapped, boiled and gulped every inch of joint, marrow, brain and mashed munched semi digested dried stalk belly goop they could get>all times include "fermented", raw and pooped food, and their waste of produce (like with dairy, later)>"let me tell you how my ancestors ate only wild chicked breasts and buttered bacon 'n eggs to become 8 feet tall" >"until they ate one tomato and a piece of chocolate and imploded because they were not related to Pyramid heart ripper Indians"maybe the answer is "eat everything from the thing". don't eat large quantities of over processed stuff. eat everything, whole (at least in the end). If possible stay away from lab shit if you couldn't make it yourself in a cave a couple thousands years ago,maybe you need to eat a bit of every part of the animal to get it's soul and power. that's why the cornfed dudes that butcher shit and eat bone/marrow broth, brain patties and blood sausages mog every other hunter nowadays and look like Leatherface. And why picky eaters have always been seen as weak, sickly idiots.
>>76938252>brain pattiesI love prions!
>>76938260*penis
>>76937967what if I punt an obese platypus on shrooms?
>>76937493>Why aren't you vegan?I don't want to be. Checkmate, brainlet.
>>76937841>meta-analysis
>>76938327>oh no you can't heckin analyze data that's against my religion
>>76937841> Results: Twenty-seven studies were included, with a total of 309 participants. Short-term (<3 weeks)Cool study bro
>>76938521>one of the studies included was 309 participantsIt's weird how willing to lie you are simply because you are paid to push a narrative.>if I say it's true other people will believe me
Goatis is right, there's no such thing as vegan. The correct description of this lifestyle is self-cannibal. Vegans consume their own flesh after awkwardly converting plant matter into deficient fats and proteins. It's quite satanic, really.
>>76938551The tapeworms have consumed your brain Gatis. You aren't even you anymore. Seek help.
>>76938240Cobalt is a mineral and not a B12 supplement.
>>76938250If you dissolve a vitamin pill in 1l of water its bioavailability is not cut down in half when you add one more litre to it.
>>76937696...which are among the most depressing songs in pop history. I remember one time being in the gym wondering why I am really sad without a reason. then it dawned on me that they had Moby on the radio.
>>76937624>Protein quality is hard to achieve without good planningnot even trueyou can easily just eat 500g Tofu/Tempeh per day without adverse health effectsthat's ~75-100g of balanced protein with the same nutritional quality as egg or wheywith a few other legumes and grains added (which will have lower nutritional value), you easily get ~200g protein from whole foods per day; which is enough for 99% of /fit/most healthy diets, vegan or not, are actually pretty easy to balancepeople are just retarded or constantly "cheat" with garbage food
>>76938725nta but cows guts transform cobalt to cobalamine (B12)so they're fed cobaltand literally all cattle / milk farms add a mineral & vitamin mix to cow feedonly a few "traditional", small scale or something like alp herders don't add itbut every cow that makes milk or meat for supermarkets is fed cobalt and most likely B12 directly as well
>>76938762>bro you can easily just eat 500g of tofu and 500g of lentils every single day of your lifeWhat a grand existence, no wonder these people make their entire lives about what they eat
>>76938800>complains people talking about food on a food threadalso wrong board retardthe goal here is to get enough protein for maximum muscle growth and while being as healthy as possibleNOT to make culinary leapsalso 500g Tofu is like one, sometimes two portionslike you can just bake, stir fry it or puree it and use it as liquid for a quiche etc.and the rest of the meals can be anythinglentils are one option, bread, beans, paste etc. all finealso the typical "gym diet" around me is eating 500g-1kg low-fat quark per dayTofu is not that different
>>76937493>is 27>looks 45
>>76937493>vegan from birth>looks like shit>fat>short>retarded>looks 20 years older than she actually isyou sure showed us OP
>>76937788>Fortunately, this bacteria is easily mass-produced for human consumption now, and many foods are fortified with itEven more fortunately, you can just eat other animals, especially ruminants, because they just have B12. But keep microdosing cyanide with your B12 pills, and remember to take your booster, it makes us all safer.
>>76937881>le shbg badbut of course moxyte doesn't know a single thing about hormones
>>76937881>posts a roidtranny video>Paul Salaidno, the lest keto man on the planet currentlyThis is your brain without fat soluble vitamins.>>76937822imagine making this cope meme when you got BTFO so fucking hard in the other thread on the topic of trophic levels in our ancestors, kek>THEY WERE... PESCATARIANS... FUCK YOU CHUD!KEKAROOO
How to brainfuck a vegan with a single question:>If vegan diet was proven beyond any doubt to be insufficient for human beings and led to poor health, would you still be a vegan?at which point vegan retard brain divides by 0 and begins to malfunction"Yes, ofcourse I would still be a vegan" - then why the hell do you even care about proving the benefits of vegan food and convincing people that its healthy? Why do you care about nutritional benefits of veganism when for you its an ethical issue?"No, I would probably stop being a vegan" - cool, so you don't actually care about animals, then why do you give a damn about animal farming? Why don't you support meat-eating as a great alternative to bring more fun and diversity into a diet? Why are you even a vegan at all?
>>76939047>>76939058she looks like a regular late 20snot sure what you are up to>>76939253>cool, so you don't actually care about animalsfalse dichotomywhat's so hard to understand about the "minimize animal suffering" part?there's a huge middle ground between the "animals and humans are equal" vegans and "i kick kittens for fun" carnivorealso wrong promise in the first placeas your hypothetical question is, by current knowledge, objectively wrong
>>76938110The **Nurses' Health Study** (NHS) and its related cohorts (NHS II and Health Professionals Follow-up Study) are large, long-term prospective studies primarily focused on women's (and some men's) health, diet, and chronic diseases. These studies track primarily omnivorous populations and examine factors like red meat intake or plant-based eating patterns, but they do not specifically follow or compare long-term **vegan diets**. Analyses from these cohorts often link higher red/processed meat consumption to increased risks of type 2 diabetes, cardiovascular disease, and certain cancers, indirectly supporting benefits of reducing animal products. However, they include very few (if any) strict vegans, so they aren't a direct source for long-term vegan-specific outcomes.Regarding "vegan elimination diet," this term doesn't refer to a specific long-term study. Elimination diets are short-term protocols (typically weeks to months) used clinically to identify food sensitivities or allergies by removing potential triggers. No major long-running cohort study focuses on veganism as an "elimination" approach.### Key Long-Term Studies on Vegan DietsThe most prominent long-term prospective cohort studies specifically including vegans (and comparing them to vegetarians and omnivores) are:1. **Adventist Health Study-2 (AHS-2)** This is one of the largest and most informative studies on vegan diets, involving ~96,000 Seventh-day Adventists (many of whom follow plant-based diets for religious/health reasons), followed since 2002–2007 with ongoing analyses. - Vegans often show the lowest risks for obesity, high blood pressure, type 2 diabetes, metabolic syndrome, and certain cancers compared to other groups (including lacto-ovo vegetarians and omnivores). - Mortality: Vegans had ~15–20% lower all-cause mortality and lower ischemic heart disease mortality in some analyses, with benefits strongest in men.
>>76938110 - Duration of adherence: Many participants followed their diets for decades (e.g., average ~21 years for vegans at baseline). - Caveats: Adventists generally avoid smoking/alcohol and have healthier lifestyles overall, which amplifies benefits.2. **EPIC-Oxford (European Prospective Investigation into Cancer and Nutrition – Oxford cohort)** This includes ~65,000 participants (recruited 1993–2001, with follow-up >20 years), deliberately oversampling vegetarians/vegans (~50% non-meat-eaters, including ~4–5% vegans). It's one of the best sources for Western vegans. - Benefits: Vegans/vegetarians have lower BMI, LDL cholesterol, blood pressure, and risks of ischemic heart disease (~20–30% lower), diabetes (~40–50% lower), diverticular disease, kidney stones, cataracts, and possibly some cancers. - Risks: Higher risk of bone fractures (~20–50% higher, linked to lower calcium/intakes) and hemorrhagic stroke (~20% higher in vegetarians/vegans combined, possibly due to low B12 or other factors). - Overall: Long-term health is generally good or better for many outcomes, but nutrient monitoring (e.g., B12, calcium, vitamin D) is crucial.### Other Insights from ReviewsUmbrella reviews of meta-analyses note that well-planned vegan diets are associated with lower risks of cardiometabolic diseases but highlight potential deficiencies (e.g., B12, leading to higher homocysteine and possible stroke risk). Long-term data specifically on vegans remain limited compared to broader vegetarians, as pure vegans are a small group in most cohorts.In summary, while no single study is exclusively a "long-term vegan elimination diet" trial, AHS-2 and EPIC-Oxford provide the strongest evidence on lifelong or decades-long vegan patterns, showing net benefits for many health outcomes when nutritionally adequate. Supplementation and monitoring are often recommended to mitigate risks.
>>76939253>"Yes, ofcourse I would still be a vegan" - then why the hell do you even care about proving the benefits of vegan food and convincing people that its healthy? Because in this non hypothetical universe it is. >Why do you care about nutritional benefits of veganism when for you its an ethical issue?It's an added bonus. Some other people only care about themselves they don't care about human rights or animal rights, if a ethical vegan can convince those people to follow a plant based diet then hundreds of animals will be spared.
>>76939275>she looks like a regular late 20snot sure what you are up tonot so clever evade at her being a fat chubby fuckerkekaroo, veganoids getting desperateand yes, I have a sister he exact age, and women in their late 20s aren't suppose to look 39. And that's WITH makeup.btw no one cares about your faggot studies, go post them to reddit.
