>>77000757
Roidtrannies are mentally ill and don't even enjoy fitness without mind controlling drugs

No. They have a fucked up frame of reference since unoptimal diet and training can be suplemented by pinning enough to make up for it.

>>77000757
>mid natty tier arms
>already a turtle shell roidgut
is this guy retarded? did he even train?

>>77000757
Their diet advice alone doesn’t apply to non roiders. Ofc they can get away with a low fat diet if they take exogenous hormones, but if you want to produce them on your own then you gotta eat fatty meat, lotta eggs etc

>>77000757
For diet advice, no.

For lifting advice, they may have some insight (but still, no). You shouldn't take advice from the mentally ill.

>>77000757
>Roiding and muscles won't fix your lack of personality and won't get rid of your lack of strength of character. You will still be the same fragile, afraid of women imbecile, just more aggressive and unhinged and with fucked up hormones. Fake water retention "muscles" that will go away when you stop. You will basically develop tranny brain due to nuking your brain and balls. And for what? So some fucking other faggot can compliment you?
Roiding is one step closer to becoming full tranny. Why would you ask a tranny for advice on anything? They already have nuked brains of a retard.

>>77000757
>Should you listen to lifting advice from roiders?

yes, but only if they admit they roided which is none of them

>>77000757
roidtrannies will blast gear for 3 years, get heart complications and size down to the right frame and tell you it was worth it.

>>77001028
>yes, but only if they admit they roided which is none of them
Based. I don't have beef with roiders, but I absolutely despise the fake natties

>>77000757
Nope. Roids let someone that responds favorably to anabolics make a LOT of mistakes and still make gains. You can eat like shit and lift like shit, be inconsistent, drink etc. And your physique won't suffer very much from it. I see tons of people, especially in the modern age with influencer types, who hop straight on pretty much out of the gate and don't know shit about training or diet trying to tell people what they should do. If you are natty, roiders have no advice worth listening to. If you lift natty you probably give half a shit about your long term health, where someone blasting anabolics to get big doesn't. They know its terrible for them and that pinning half a pharmacy into their ass is the only thing propping up the physique and they do it anyways.

>>77001028
>do you currently possess narcotics on you almost always
Yes in fact I do, why do you ask?

>>77001085
If you are gonna roid learn what drugs not to use with it.
>coke, coke+alcohol, alcohol, anything with acetaminophen or whatever, street drugs with probably tylenol also. A lot of users started early and are ignorant to pharmacy knowledge. Or are using shitty products with additives or contaminants. >>77001078

>>77000757
I am a roider and what I am able to get away with now, is not helkpfulf to nattys. BUT, late in klife, as a natty, I was able to emerge from the hell of lanklet, DYEL skinny fat loserdom to a place where people called me a bodybodybuilder because I had built enough muscle. In my forties.

Lots of meat, whole foods, not too much carbs and I did STarting Strnegth plus bicep curls. I tried to get as big and strong as I could doing the ANovice Progression for as long as I could, then I trnasitioend over to Texas Method for as long as I could. Ebventually, after about 5-6 years, I hit a wall, so ig ot on TRT, then just started balsting gear not long thereafter.

Geared lifting is different, but the basics are thge same. Progress on the big lifts and the size will come. Bobdybuilding bullshit works well on gear, not so much as a natty. Try to be as big and strong a (non-fat_ powerlifter as you can get and you will look very large and muscular as a natty.

>>77001028
but still, why? they do shit that works best for their unnatural, chemical bodies, it might all be wasted bullshit on natty. Overall I think ppl shouldnt overthink anything and look up youtube only for forms and variations, dont listen to "influencers" squeezing content out of nothing

>>77000757
You should listen to absolutely nothing you hear on this board.