So quick question, why wouldn't someone use enclomiphene to boost themselves up to high natty levels instead of using TRT if they can still make test? This is with the assumption that you are treating low test and not just running a doctor approved cycle?

>>77011544

Because you're going to end up at the same destination anyway so just go out there and pin because it's gonna happen eventually.

AHHHH MY PACKAGE IS STILL MARKED READY TO SHIP AFTER 3 DAYS IM GOING INSANE

Sirs can I hit the weed vape while on cycle sirs or will my heart explode?

How to use EQ to manage e2 when it has such a longer half life than test? If I start at 600 test 200 EQ, and get e2 sides, it’s gonna be a couple weeks for my blood concentration to get to the 300mg level, no? And by week 6 the EQ still isn’t even max blood concentration yet

Do you just front load EQ more? Only using it as AI cause no primo

>>77010404
I figured, it's funny I've been cautious like trying not to be suppressed but I don't really see myself ever coming off enclomiphene so wtf do I care if my natty 200ng levels are suppressed to 100 natty because I'm basically never going to be natty again lol

I love drugs but I've been starting slow with roids I guess trying to feel out what sides I would get no acne really or anything so I think I'm just going to progress to rad140

>>77011356
>putin uses hoist

>>77012098
It doesn't matter because they're going to have stable peaks after enough time anyway. You can use steroid plotter

Gonna run a trial period of different orals this year, Adrol, Sdrol, Var.
Any ideas for how much NAC to use for liver support? Might grab some TUDCA too

>>77012717
when you are done playing lab monkey you should run a 30 day detox with milk thistle capsules
orals rip my stomach up; I wish you better luck than I had

>>77011356
Thoughts on Proviron only cycle to fill out my beard?

>>77012821
sounds gay and dumb but if it works please tell me (for a friend)

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Now that summer is approaching, Tirz or Reta?

>>77012825
be honest anon, are you really going to go outside this summer?

>>77012824
I used Minodixil for a year and half and went from 0 hairs on my face to basically full beard but there are some patches that wont fill in, someone said Proviron boosts dht and helps with beard but if its gonna crash my test i dont wanna try it lol

>>77012816
Thanks brodie, I realized I just got to start running different shit and seeing what works for me. I have been living on guides too long

>>77012832
He might not but this is the year I get my beach with abs pic so the cut will be aggressive

Am I supposed to keep unmixed hgh, hcg, reta, tirz, bpc/tb in the fridge?

I mean just the powder only before I mix it with bac water, should that also be kept in the fridge and how long does it last?

I know oils are good to go even after expiration date.

>>77012926
If unconstituted they can be left at room temp, away from light or heat

>>77012929
Then why are people in the Lobster meso thread saying it should be kept in the fridge?

>>77012932
because they're retarded? I mean keep it in the fridge if you want but they're freeze dried powders so there's no need

>>77012926
i dont keep anything in the fridge, and i've used everything you listed except hcg. i've had a vial of reconstituted mt2 that lasted like 6 months

>>77012852
Topical or pill?

>>77012926
Not reta or tirz if you've done butter recon, you want that at room temperature

>>77013090
Topical. Pill seems to not work as well for beard as it does for head hair. More sides too.

>>77013123
My actual dick is hairier than I'd like but I've considered going full fur bat so topical it is

>>77013150
> hairy dick
wtf

>>77012098
Set an EQ amount and adjust the test instead, if you get low E2 symptoms you can frontload more test. I always cruise on 300/300 test/eq it works great for me at the 1:1 ratio.

>>77011356
Probably not the right place to ask this but I’ll try. Been using ibutamoren for a few months and recently got at home blood work done so I can get on TRT. Will the increased HGH possibly prevent me from getting trt?

>>77012825
Every time I read the word Retatrutide the reddit face comes to my mind.
Of course tirzepatide. Are you a soulless npc robot anon?

>21 anadrols
Redpill me on roids as preworkouts, what even are the limits to this? How does it work?

>>77012317
So I did the rad140, even on 10mg first time my grip strength is significantly increased, I'm a school bus driver so I could tell immediately, people say this gives you rage but I haven't noticed that, when it starts stacking over 3 days though I don't know

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Im gonna just take HCG forever. I think it makes me feel better. Specifically I think it gives you a baseline of estrogen so that even if you use too much AI you arent going to have like zero estrogen. Also it "backfills" pregnenolone and DHEA. End result is that I just straight up feel better on the shit. Kind of a lot of money to do it but fuck it. I no longer am afraid of LH desensitization.

>>77013734
I have debated using anavar and working out 4x per week and only taking it on days when I work out. Cause my liver values have not been amazing (more from drinking than roids). Seems like I could still get a lot of benefit with only half the liver strain doing this.

but many people are of the opposite school of thought, thinking that you won't get results for shit beyond some increased strength

>>77013564
>I always cruise on 300/300 test/eq

Are you a tomato?

>>77013954
lol that is fucking crazy. 300 test and 300 EQ is a pretty good damn cycle. I hope anon is buying under dosed bullshit gear

What gauge are you meant to use for a ret/butter push? I tried 29G but it probably took 4 minutes to get through.

I'm sure that's good for minimizing PIP but I'd happily trade some PIP in order to get it done quicker.

>>77013687
why are you shilling this meme so hard

>>77014164
Retard the shit is water soluble I know you’re probably trolling. I hate you

>>77012926
In the freezer. It will last 2-3 years. At room temp the powder is stable for 30-60 days.

>>77012936
Moron.

>>77012938
Some peptides are more resilient than others but the potency degrades over time. This is retarded advice, even worse than the last guy.

>>77014458
Ret is absolutely not water soluble

>>77014871
>ret that has been reconstituted with oil isn't water soluble
no shit nigger
god damnit you are retarded

>>77013954
No I am the guy in the basement. I also added 2iu gh a day and it is working well. Currently sitting at 305lbs and hit 605 for a few sets of 5 on squat.

>>77014966
post blood pressure
genuinely curious

>>77014989
148/91

>>77014996
not bad at all considering your body mass and gear usage.

>>77014873
Just ignore that guy he's an absolute imbecile

>>77015000
oh im not him im actually 5'9

What would be the downsides of running rad140 and enclo year round

I've already been doing ac262 and enclo for like 5 months

Enclo blocks estrogen receptors gives test, rad140 makes me feel like a god, and the extra test floating around my system from rad140 hoarding receptor sites can't get to estrogen sites because enclo blocks those

Everyone is crying about muh suppression but it doesn't even suppress as much as test does

My bloodwork is all feelings based btw

>>77015149
the downside is this isn't reddit and you are gay and stupid and also im glad north america was colonized and also sarms are gay and stupid
if you are afraid of needles please go to a doctor and ask for a prescription of pussy bitch made nigger medicine

>>77015161
Going to a doctor is goyish and disgusting, I also have no desire to break the law

My people colonized England, Ireland and north America, you might have heard of the anglo saxons

I'm not afraid of anything I just prefer low maintenance to paying for bloodwork syringes and all this stupid bullshit

Glug down 10 pills in a minute, gg

>>77015173
>Going to a doctor is goyish and disgusting, I also have no desire to break the law
going to the doctor is "goyish" but you wouldn't dare break the law? figure that one out
>My people colonized England, Ireland and north America, you might have heard of the anglo saxons
post timestamped hands or you are brown
>I'm not afraid of anything I just prefer low maintenance to paying for bloodwork syringes and all this stupid bullshit
you are afraid of needles and breaking those based and not at all z0g laws. also 100 pins costs next to nothing.
>Glug down 10 pills in a minute, gg
as long as you don't do this with extra strength asprin and scrape your knee on the jungle gym you should be alright

>>77013578
no
>>77013734
Leo the dead scientist was into low dose anadrol as pre
>>77013850
sarms are for fags
>>77014654
> source I just say how I feel

>>77014996
My doctor has me stressed about 136/80

>>77015149
sarms are for fags

>>77015295
I mean my coworker has like 180/90 and is still alive somehow so I don't really care.

>>77015334
my point is that it's a relief to hear. shit has be probably up 10 points from stressing about it.

>>77015340
I have naturally high bp and RHR so I am not worried about it at all; my heart strong like Oxen.

>>77013921
>Specifically I think it gives you a baseline of estrogen so that even if you use too much AI you arent going to have like zero estrogen.
Pregnenolone does this and it raises DHEA, it's a general hormone. You have to find a really good source though or you'll get side effects. 99.9 percent purity is ideal

>>77015286
Several peptide providers tell you to store them this way you fucking idiot. I can't help you being too stupid and lazy to spend 2 minutes figuring this shit out.

>>77015190
Yes it is incredibly goyish to lose your right to carry a firearm because some guys on 4chan think they're better than you because they shoot up drugs with a needle instead of swallowing them

I'm not afraid of needles whatsoever when I was 22 like 10 years ago I did a vial of test, shot it into my quads, it's just annoying and illegal, I also hate doctors and don't want aromatization

>>77015535
those "providers" are literally indians who bulk buy from China
When you get them from a US pharmacy they state that they are stable

>he's still here with butter and reta
What's the point?
Just for fun?
That's some weird "trolling"

>>77013345
NTA and my dick is hairy at the base. Like, literally on the shaft

>>77015173
>Going to a doctor is goyish
>I also have no desire to break the law
Pick one, goy

>>77015149
>What would be the downsides of running rad140 and enclo year round
Death from cirrhosis
>but it doesn't even suppress as much as test does
How do you know if you never pinned?
>My bloodwork is all feelings based btw
Cool

>>77015619
Yeah but that is normal I think, like where the ballsack kinda turns into the shaft?

>>77015644
Of course it's normal
But in my case (I'm hairy) it even extends furhter to the shaft. Like, a solid inch of the shaft itself is hairy too. Maybe even 1.5 inches

>>77015606
There are numerous sources on this all saying to freeze them. What reason do you have to not throw them in the freezer until you reconstitute them?

>>77015653
FREAK

>>77015673
NTA and afaic just fridge is okay
Of course you shouldn't keep them at the room temp obviously, no argument here

>>77014419
Reta is truly inferior to Tirzepatide. I wouldn't call reta a meme but yeah it is the npc drug of the moment

>>77015161
This. Thanks anon.

I WANT TO INJECT EXOGENOUS HORMONES SO FUCKING BAD
FEBRUARY CAN'T START SOON ENOUGH
THE PACKAGE IS ALREADY SENT

>>77015839
>NOT BLASTING AND CRUISING
NGMI BROCHACHO

What blood tests get around tren messing with estrogen reports? Want to do my bloods but don't want to waste money.

Also yes I do butter my tren before pinning.

>>77015653
my dick just as hairy

>>77014989
>>77014996
Not that guy, it's 120/75. No blood work though.

>>77015897
Bros give me an answer.

All my local clinics just offer 'estradiol' and I've heard tren gives a false high reading.

>>77014989
>>77014996
>>77015295
>>77015334
>>77016061
not a doctor but if you are natty there is no good reason to be above 150/80 and if you are on gear anything above 180/100 should be a warning sign to slow it down.

>>77016305
Yeah, you're not a doctor. Life starts at 200/100. LET'S GO.

>>77015745
Ok retard

>>77015939
twinsies

I'm new to this and retarded but where can I source everything I need for my first 10 week test cycle (Test, AI, SERM, HCG)?

>>77016638
Absolutely not gatekeeping here,

But if you haven’t found out where to look yet, then you haven’t spent enough time researching what you need to know.

If only there was a forum where steroid source talk was allowed.

>>77016673
Appreciate you, and yeah I'm not jumping into anything, just reading and looking around.

After 11 years natty and gaining only 1 lbs of lean muscle in the last 2 years after bulking 30 lbs and training consistently I am pretty sick and tired of being near my natty limit.

Still figuring out what it is worth to me.

>>77016638
10 weeks is too short

>>77015624
We have the scientific evidence, shooting test is more suppression than rad140

Rad causes like half shutdown, I don't drink alcohol and I'm 1/4 Irish, 1/4 English, 1/4 polish, I trust my liver

>>77015621
On the scale of goy buying unlicensed research chemicals is less goyish than begging a doctor for drugs or breaking the law and losing my high status in society

>>77015677
For the powder, room temp is okay (shipping). It's just that if you're not going to use it, you should freeze it as it goes from 30 days to 2 years lifespan. I'm sure the fridge is acceptable and somewhere between those two time ranges for lifespan.

>>77015897
>>77016195
The thing is with E2 you have to manage sides of it being too high or too low. If you don't have sides then the reading being falsely elevated isn't much to worry about. You'd probably have to find a specialized clinic to test something specific about your estrogen, if such a test even exists.

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>>77011356
roidniggers and bodybuilders are both unhealthy and mentally ill

>>77017403
I have schizophrenia and autism, I know I'm not mentally well, I do not care. But I will get as big as I can physically in order to scare women.

>>77017405
King

>>77017547
Luckily I am not super on the spectrum just enough for diagnoses and medication for both. Which I think is why Tren isn't making me super angry or schizo, since I already am so they cancel out?

>>77016682
height/weight/bf% ?
curious what the natty 'limit' is

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>>77017647
This is from my last cut two years ago.

Was about 160 lbs here, 5' 11", probably like 10%. Im currently 185. No changes or lapses in my training since then other than I started feeling weak about a year ago.

Just got my bloods back and my total test is 373 ng/dL, free test is 70.95 pg/mL, estrogen 18.18 pg/mL... am I fucked??

>>77017957
Also meant to add I am 26

>>77016305
>anything above 180/100 should be a warning sign

M8 if your BP is that high you need to drop to a cruise dose and most likely donate blood immediately.

>>77018092
I disagree about the mandatory blood donation considering high BP can occur with normal or low hemoglobin levels but 100% a sign to slow the fuck down

>>77018097
also if you are over 180/100 BP your resting heart rate is probably like 110 minimum and you arent allowed to donate blood with a HR over 100

>>77018102
>you arent allowed to donate blood with a HR over 100
Why

>>77018363
I don’t make the rules

>>77017957
I’m the guy who replied to you a few days ago about the forum to use

Your levels aren’t great but can depend on a lot of different things, you should get another test to confirm. A TRT clinic or a doctor would always want to see two consecutive tests showing the same.

I get my bloodwork done regularly, I got tested once when I was coming down with the flu (I didn’t know it at that moment), I slept like shit the night before the test because I felt like shit, I scored 300 total test. I then spent 3-4 months eating in a moderate surplus, taking vit d, zinc, magnesium and boron, slept good, ate good… and tested at 714 total test

You might be too lean, restricting your diet, not getting enough animal fats or something, or you could legit have lower test

No one will stop you going on gear, but you need to be aware of your bloodwork and do your own homework. At the end of the day 150mg of test c per week will put most people up into the high natural range, with minimal issues. And you’ll be at the high natural range rain or shine, good sleep or bad sleep, lean or fat, fasted or fed, sick or healthy… so it’s a big advantage. And if you go from 300 to 1000 you’ll probably feel great, but if you’re already sitting at 800 most of the time… it’s much less reward for a higher level of risk if you know what I mean.

You look good, surprisingly lightweight for your look, a good example of how being lean can make you look bigger than you are

>>77017957
And also if you haven’t figured it out yet, forget about 10 weeks anything…

If you do a cycle, it takes 4 weeks for the cypionate or enanthate to build up, leaving you 6 weeks before you start to fall again, this is why you should aim at 16-20 weeks. Internet lore is that only 500mg a week is worth it. I would highly recommend doing your first run at 250-300, and doing injections every other day, or at least 3x a week for maximum stability and side effect mitigation. Start lean, like your picture, and you’ll be fine. Then drop to a cruise of say 120-150, stay on cruise for the same duration you were on cycle, and make sure you have great bloodwork before considering the next bulk/blast

>>77018097
Yeah, if you're pushing those levels chances are that you're slamming high dose Tren/orals and those get out of your system fast.

>>77018882
I am just NOT going to get my hemo checked and ignore my bp and resting heart rate. The lion doesn’t concern himself with things he cannot see.

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i fucking love npp bros. It makes me feel so chill and I just gain MUSCLE like a motherfucker every time I lift. Dick is still working just fine. I only take 150 mg/week. And it does so much with just that small dose. I cant even imagine what would happen if I took a high dose

>>77016638
just look up bodybuilding forums, theyre very open about sourcing and who to buy from and who to avoid

>>77019631
What dose of test do you use it with and how high do you let your e2 and prolactin rise?

Unironically might run 250 test and 100 nandrolone for my first cycle, against all common advice,

>>77019733
Thats what I do. 250 test 150 npp

my advice is to take the test for 2 months. check your e2. figure out if you need AI. Then add in your nandrolone once you are dialed in.

I take half a mg of anastrozole split into 2 doses a week. I also take HCG which muddies the waters on that. DESU I did not check my E2 levels but I just know when its high because I lose my temper and yell at people. Taking a quarter pill twice a week stoppped that behavior so I assume my e2 is good. Especially since I have no sexual sides or anything like that.

Anyone running over a gram of tren?

>>77019752
That was weirdly almost exactly my plan, I was gonna get bloodwork after 6 weeks on the test, and then add npp for the next 14 weeks

>>77019762
that is a lot of tren

>>77019821
But anyone tried?

>>77019837
i think Rich Piana said he was doing 750mg Tren?