Why don't I feel meaningfully any different mentally on any compound? Doesn't matter if it's high test, eq, nandrolone, masteron, even fucking tren - nothing really significantly moves the needle on my personality or mental state. I guess it's a good thing in some ways but I would actually like to be less of a timid person who doesn't have significant drive. I've only gotten genuinely angry once in the past two years and it took a LOT. Nandrolone gets rid of anxiety, that's it. Really the only significant mental effect I've ever gotten from any compound.

>>77034281
Just started rad this week and I've noticed more aggression and moments of euphoria

Up the dose?

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Was reading picrel (old book from Journal of Experimental Pharmacology) and I came across something interesting.
Apparently, women with breast cancer were given 100 mg/3xweeek of mast P, and this was considered non-virilizing when compared to the same dose and dosing schedule for test P with almost equal effectiveness. The duration of treatment could range from 3 weeks to 9 months.
This leads me to believe, as I had already suspected when reading people's experiences with low test/high deca cycles with added mast, that mast related hair loss is actually due to using high doses of test alongside mast.
Test itself is not that potent of an AR agonist, nor does it have a very high affinity, DHT has both high potency and affinity.
So mast is probably a weaker agonsit than DHT, but has higher affinity than test. My guess is mast might displace test from AR so more gets converted to DHT, leading to baldness and other effects.
Has anyone read up on this or know other sources to dig deeper?

>>77034412
I've taken a gram of test and everything else I mentioned at at least 300mg or more per week. Nothing. Not just my own self-perception either I ask friends some who know I'm on some who don't about whether I'm acting differently and (not worded like this) how they'd describe my personality. My shit is legit too. I'm getting the gains and a few of the (minor) side effects you'd expect from each compound like slight insomnia and night sweats on tren. But zero mental. I'm still described as the most docile nonchalant person my friends know

>>77034514
Mast also has an insane binding affinity for shbg which means more test to be converted into dht and more dht (which also has a higher binding affinity to shbg than test) is free to circulate.

>>77034579
Thanks I had completely forgotten about SHBG, but that does seem to provide more evidence to the combination of test + mast being responsible for balding, not mast itself

Never done HGH, If I add 3iu HGH daily what can I expect in a year?

>>77034412
more aggression on a sarm?? you might be the biggest faggot of all time

>>77033649
How do you try to long term build chest with how you get gains so much faster than natty? I usually see roiders blow up delts/arms easily in just a few months I'd guess but you can tell their chest of all things(rotator cuffs and tendons take longer) look more puffed out than s typical lifetime powerlifter. I would just be spamming widegrip and heavy bench but curious to know how powerlifting fits in with putting on mass asap and the nature of more vs less effective workouts along with doses.

>>77035196
Bench. Get a 405lbs bench, your chest will be huge.

>>77035202
Well yeah of course. As a natty any time I bulk and put on like 20-30lbs on my bench for reps it leaves my shoulders absolutely fucked. Kinda wondering what to look for and how to program bench/delts safely without only ever doing prison reps on bench. I like how my pecs flow into delts over the muscle bellies jutting out like roider delts. Like say I start roiding with a 225lb bench 1rm, how far can I go before I should focus on more rehab and bulletproofing tendons for a few weeks or months?

>>77035283
>>77035202
And on the last part on increasing bench quickly with roids. You can roid to the moon sure and put on muscle but your tendons will fall apart and you'll even get rhabdo and cns fatigue, disregarding other things exclusive to roids. Is it best to keep the blasts more moderate and consistent for powerlifting as I'd assume? Or is it best to go a few weeks using heavy enough doses then to return to the baseline?

All in terms of tendon health since I'm sure it's easy to tell when you are going too hard for organ damage by dose alone before side effects.

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>>77035283
>it leaves my shoulders absolutely fucked
Good chance you have Shoulder Impingement Syndrome. The bad news is it's basically permanent. The good news is you may be able to rehab it. It's extremely common in lifters.
>how far can I go before I should focus on more rehab and bulletproofing tendons
You should have been rehabbing your rotator cuff a year ago.

>>77035295
Even on roids it takes time to put on actual muscle. And it depends on your goals. If you want to be huge, medium-high doses for long periods of time.

>>77035311
I also always do super full rom with too much weight out of vanity but am really good at getting shoulder pain to near 0 in very short periods of time.
>cable at chest or so level ya know fuck with it but pull reverse grip with thumb and hunch into it
>one hand on a grip and kinda tense your whole shoulder in every which way you should hear crunching
>super light front raises, right hand lean to the right and in kinda like the cable thing but this is more for working from super light to moderately heavy
>super close grip dip like on a barbell bench, and kamehameha super far out stiff armed
Then there's also stretching the muscle and tendon but yeah if I am doing some say full rom heavy dips or wide grip bench I find myself doing rehab almost as much as lifting, try some of these if you feel you have to lower pressing volume due to pain or impingement(if doing a ton of shit I just do prison reps more).

And interesting I'd assume it's usually better to save heavier doses for putting wear on joints and to use less often because of that. But I assume more consistent moderate doses are what you're vouching for to be able to more efficiently work up to higher strength.

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>>77035346
It's more than roiding is a long term game. Every really big and/or strong guy has been on for years and at notable doses.

Any big dude who says "Ya brah 300mg test only 8 weeks is all I do haha" is lying their fucking ass off.

It's also good to note that successful bodybuilders and powerlifters all have great genetics for injury resistance. Their bone structure and muscle insertions are ideal for not putting bad leverage on their ligaments and tendons. As well as tolerance for roid side effects. Most other people end up injured or getting rekt by sides when they try to get really big or strong.

Survivorship fallacy.

>>77035346
>but am really good at getting shoulder pain to near 0 in very short periods of time
> say full rom heavy dips or wide grip bench I find myself doing rehab almost as much as lifting
Meaning, it always comes back. And most likely always will. You can try, but there is a good chance you will never have a big bench because your bone structure and muscle insertions won't allow for it.

It's possible you may just give up benching heavy entirely and just do meme cable exercises or whatever and just accept that.

>>77035364
I'd argue that a lot of their lifting habits are also luckily came upon, when I started lifting I'd get sharp pain every session and nowadays I can do the lifts that cause injury and even focus on them at the end of workouts to purposefully strength tendons without causing tendons to get damaged via pinching of tendons by say twisting in with your wrists too much on flatback bench and instead go full rom but keeping the joints neutral.

I see a lot of roiders do a lot of the damage early on due to bad dose timing or say mixing ibuprofen into their liver while it's still processing the juice. Then you have the doses of roids that I'd lose gains on especially because of lack of regularity and very starkly dipping their test without say using test like a safety net or orals as the same thing but blow up their liver by using orals to blast like old school bodybuilders. There's no way to get to elite natty levels on trt as normally your body would start producing more test than the doctor would give you anyways.

>>77035376
Honestly I've been doing delts like 4x/wk and some close grip bench, I'm well above 315x1 and at one point put 30 or so lbs on my 1rm in like 3-4mo. I'm back to benching now since my delts are big now and I'm hoping for at least 365x1 as I got 275 a solid year and a half ago or so. Not roided so I can basically lift all the time at low rep maxes since I don't have to work around doses.

>>77034412
You're retarded + gullible + probably underage
It's a placebo, clown

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HCG with exogenous test will further increase e2. I read that AI can't even help with this, because it won't block estrogen being produced in the testes. does it work at all to take AI, and crush your general e2, and then just let the testes produce e2 from the hcg?

what kind of dose hcg do you take? i'm reading that 500-1500IU, 3x per week is normal

i find it greatly increases my libido, makes sex more sensitive, and easier to orgasm. also way bigger loads

if i haven't been taking any hcg for 2 years while B&C'ing, how likely is it that fertility will never come back for me? i'm 39

>>77035175
Slightly or I just have more sensitivity to roids, that also come with having way more muscle than you

>>77035563
You can feel rage mongoloid

I literally just go to the gym more

Are you just so dead inside

>>77035390
Ibuprofen won't do shit to your liver unless you're taking rhino doses several days straight
The problem is it might take away the pain but the cause of it is still there, so you'll just fuck up your joints even more

>>77036427
You do not have more muscle than anyone who actually roids and knows what they're doing

>>77036040
Your balls have blood vessels that hook them up to general circulation

So if you have asin in your blood it will get to the balls and will irreversibly block whatever aromatase your balls synthesised as a result of hcg treatment

t. Retained my fertility with hcg and asin

>>77036456
Cool so you have more muscle than someone who is 280lbs and you are 100 percent certain about that

Imagine if I did real roids I'd make you look like a fucking toddler

>>77035311
oh no why would the acromion decide to bite down on the bursa
why are our bodies such assholes sometimes?

>>77035364
Most people don't realise that for every successful ifbb pro there is probably 10 broken up full of injuries or even dead dudes

Ronnie luckily managed to get all the wins before he fell apart

>>77036477
Most people also don't realize that most IFBB pros barely manage to get their pro card and don't amount to anything for the rest of their career, never even coming close to placing in actual pro shows

>>77034281
I would speculate that you have a greater alignment between the conscious and subconscious parts of your mind than most people. Its the same as how some people are exactly the same when sober and drunk and other people are 180 degrees different.

>>77036040
Grok has told me this shit about unblockable estrogen from HCG too lol. Seems like a hallucination because if you drill down on it he will admit there is no evidence for aromatase-independent E2 from hCG.

I think there is probably some truth to the idea though. Just because there is so much more aromatase in the balls that you need a higher dose to really shut it down than you do in the rest of your body.

I am taking .25 mg 2x per week and I really hope I havent totally crashed my estrogen. I feel fine so I think I will choose not to worry about it rather than get a test done

>>77036474
>someone who is 280lbs
$100 says this retard is at least 35% bodyfat

>>77035364
They aren't lying bro. I wish I would have taken proper before and after pictures so I could show you what 300mg test did to me. I look like a steroid user I promise you that.

I guess it did take a lot more than 8 weeks though. I have just been cruising on 300 test and making solid gains for like the past year. I would say my shoulders and traps did aquire that permanently swole look after only a few months though.

>>77036568
actual retard post

Anyone know the oral bioavailability of tren? I got bored of pinning daily so have switched to oral taking 600mg a dose assuming 50% gets through. Tastes like shit though and is expensive, would it be better to snort?

>>77036615
Just mad that other people respond way better than you

>>77036654
they have done studies on this. There was some anabolic effect on eating tren burgers

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Getting Seborrheic Dermatitis on my face in a cruise only test E. Never had this before. E2 is fine, test dose is relatively small. It responds to anti fungal shampoo. Pic isn’t me but that’s what it looks like if it gets bad

I’m going crazy with this. Wtf.

>>77034412
It always annoys me how susceptible fit is to placebo. Extremely feminine.

>>77036663
Youve been cruising a near blast amount for a year you retard of course youll look roided

>>77036706
>300
>blast
GEEG

>>77036681
Taking pre with B12? I get worse spots on that than gear

>>77036714
Yeah, but I’ve done that for years as well. I came off completely and it went away so I’m pretty sure it’s the test. Worried I may be allergic to this carrier oil butt research is saying that’s unlikely and it’s probably the test exciting my pores.

>>77036436
Start juicing already, pussy
I spent 3 years on sarms and I regret it
One proper steroid cycle gave me more gains than several years of being on and off sarms

>>77036681
>Never had this before
Enjoy. It's genetic and uncurable. I have it since I was 14
It's not from gear

>>77036740
When I come off gear it goes away; I’m well into adulthood and it hasn’t happened before. I don’t think that’s the case for me

>>77036681
this sounds weird, but worth a try -

i had something very similar, especially if i took a hot shower and hot water splashed on my face. dryness on the sides of my nose, and forehead, and lips

clotrimazole fixed the problem. no moisturisers or anything helped. only clotrimazole cream. i'd put it on at night before bed and the skin would be much softer and less red the next day.

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i'm 38, been B&Cing for 4 years

it's normal that at 38, i'm just not as strong as i was when i was 35, on the same amount of gear, right? it's frustrating, but every time i go to the gym now is really a struggle to do the same amount of reps and weight in the same amount of time. my options are either to go down in weight, or to take like 10-15 minutes more than i would like to. it's not necessarily that i can't lift the weight anymore. it's just, my heart and breathing gets out of control and i'm about to faint, unless i take longer breaks than i used to.

>>77036749
>it goes away
It just subsides probably
Or it's not it at all
Because actual seborrheic dermatitis never truly goes away
Also it's winter now, it always gets worse during winter (drier skin and cold)

>>77036788
Something else is going on, not eating as much, gf getting fat and old, injury etc

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If I don't care about my health/life and I just want to get super muscular to get a GF within 6-12 months, what would a good cycle be?

I'm thinking of doing testosterone @ 3.5g/week & tren @ 1g/week

>>77036818
Or he's actually dying from gear lol
Ding-ding-ding, being constantly on gear doesn't make you healthier!

>>77036831
realistically hgh better but yeah you can just blast test tren stack and some var

>>77036831
>what would a good cycle be
Being tall - 1000mg/week from birth
Being attractive - 600mg/week from the teenage years
Being well spoken - 80mg e/d
Optional - having money/ed

>3.5g/week
Dunno man, that's, like, a lot

>>77036477
Same with gay porn. For every legend there are a hundred decent guys whose colon perfed on their first mega cock prone bone cnc scene. But that's part of the risk and otherwise we'd all be famous film cock riders.

>>77036778
Noted, thank you
>>77036803
Well shit. May need to go see a real doctor

Outside of BPC157 and TB500 for healing injuries, is there any legitimate reason to use a SARM over anabolics/peptides? It seems like the reasoning always boils down to being too pussy to pin.

>>77036831
Bruh a gram of tren. You wont sleep at all, will have a blood pressure of 260/200 and a heart rate of 180. Im on 300mg tren e and am having to sort out an ACEi for my pressure and am only managing 5 hours sleep a night.

>>77036917
Bpc and tb aren't sarms
>too pussy to pin
Correct

>>77036935
But will I get big enough that a woman will want to have sex with me?

>>77036859
>Being tall
I'm six feet + half an inch
>Being well spoken
Niggers are not well spoken and they get woman

>>77036855
Too poor for HGH. Are my dosages ok, or should I go higher?

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>>77036917
>is there any legitimate reason to use a SARM over anabolics/peptides?
It's very compound-dependent; some of the SARMs are better on toxicology but it's a mixed bag. AR modulation can't into MRF induction though, so there are good reasons to look at other compounds...
>The effects of anabolic-androgenic steroid use and training style on myogenic expression in trained male iron sport athletes
>https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s00421-025-06099-0
>Conclusion
>Neither AAS use nor iron sport training facilitate meaningful changes in myogenic growth factor expression relative to each other.

>>77036788
nah man. My dad is 60 and he tells me that strength never really fades like that its just your joints all go to shit and you can't lift the way you used to for that reason.

>>77036940
I get women on 250mg test cruise, your tren+test joke meme post would cost more than hgh anyways

>>77036940
>six feet + half an inch
Midget
>Niggers
1) niggers are fetishized in the US because of the constant jewish nigger propaganda
2) you won't want a woman that would date a nigger anyway
>should I go higher
What's the point of your posts? If you're trolling, it's not even funny. If you're serious then you're retarded

>>77036967
>get women on 250mg test cruise
you should get prison for that tranny architect

>>77036973
>you won't want a woman that would date a nigger anyway
Nah, almost all women would date a nigger. Maybe 1% of women have a moral compass and would not. Women are awful.

>>77036967
Yeah but you've probably been working out for a while. If two years ago I knew I still wouldn't have a gf two years later, I'd kms. I've banged 3 prostitutes a few months ago in SEA, but I need to become attractive enough to get a GF in 2026. If I don't, I'll kms.

>>77036977
oh
>>77036995
don’t do roids for women that is a pussy mindset, better yourself with or without them then the women will cum. my gf doesn’t know im roiding and can’t wait for that conversation

>>77037012
Shut up, nigger.

>>77037014
post body
you wont i win

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>>77037012
>my gf doesn’t know im roiding and can’t wait for that conversation

Anyone use bpc-157 while breastfeeding? Is it safe for the child?

How early can I put my kids on HGH

>>77037044
My friend got on the shit when we were like 11 or something. He still turned out to be a manlet though cause he had other shit wrong with him but he did a grow a jaw like an anvil though

What does being on Reta feel like?
Mine arrives next week, excited to try glp1 for the first time.

>>77037020
My body is disgusting because I don't do steroids.

>>77037050
I don't feel anything until I try to eat a meal and then I can only eat like half of what I feel I should be able to eat.

Its pretty good but don't get too caught up in the hype where people claim it cured their ADHD and shit

>>77036788
Not joking, get your heart checked, get an EKG and maybe and x-ray or echocardiogram too
What's your blood pressure and resting heart rate at?
Try doing a heart rate recovery test next time you go to the gym

>>77037012
shit man i've been thinking about that recently
do you guys tell your girlfriend/wife about your roid use?
i started a new relationship recently but i'm unsure of when would be a good time to talk about it

>>77037058
It shrinks your stomach so sounds consistent

>>77037350
lol it’s crazy how no amount of test can stop you from being beta as fuck. Does your gf tell you about her irritable bowel disease and urinary tract infections? Actually don’t answer that she probably does tell you about that shit cause got her feeling way too comfortable. But normally I would never really discuss the medicine I am taking with a woman unless she is asking me about it. And yes roids are medicine that’s all she needs to know

>>77037350
I think I will bring it up when she complains about being fat again after I grab her tummy pouch while railing her. Then bring up stuff like Reta or Tirz but needs to be injected, she will cry about needles, I will say I do 2x weekly shots no problem, then snowball from there depending on her reaction.

>>77036564
Regardless the math confirms my human flesh holds more muscle tissue

>>77036694
Seething

>>77036735
I'm 280lbs, sarms have no side effects I don't have to ask moshe to up my dose

>>77037044
I've read that you need to add an aromatase inhibitor in combo with that for it to actually work

>>77037359
Actually yeah my ex did, since we're both in healthcare so we would always tell each other when we got sick and stuff
I started roiding after breaking up with her though
And my new girlfriend is also in healthcare, so jsut telling her it's "medicine" would be too vague
>>77037363
Eh I've told my new girlfriend about using beta 2 agonists when I told her I'm in a cut, and she asked if she could use them since she's got a bit too much fat despite being normal BMI
I told her no and said it only enhanced fat loss from cardio and deficit and talked about CV risk to put her off, since I love her fat distribution and how fat her tits and ass are
GLP-1 agonists might be an option though, since I can get the real brand stuff OTC where I'm at, though it's kinda expensive

>>77037468
I'll be honest if my gf lost like 40lbs I would be upset, maybe 15lb but she is so cute thick with all the right places lookin plump, god I want to impregnate her

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>>77033649

>>77037044
>I want to deform my kids and make them school shooters
you do know everything grows with hgh, not only height. Dumb nigger

>>77037808
RIP Gorilla King. Still my all time favorite source

>>77038120
>RIP Gorilla King.
DixOut4Harambe, kek.

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Tonight’s the night…

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>yfw you suddenly remember you were injected with something through your whole childhood and every kid around you was half your size

>>77037050
>What does being on Reta feel like?
Idk
I only used tirzepatide. The next day after the first injection you stop thinking about food. You just don't want it. Eating is a struggle. A third of your usual meal makes you DISGUSTINGLY full. You almost want to puke because you're so FULL. No cravings, you don't want anything "tasty". Even tasty food you like doesn't make you feel anything. But it all feels "off" somehow, because you still can get that certain "low energy" state (and you will). Which together feels pretty weird. Because you feel you don't have enough energy, you're tired and weak, but at the same time you don't want to eat whatsoever. It's like that thing when you're sick minus the fever.

Good stuff anyway, it's pretty easy to cut on it

>the package arrived
Ohhhh, yessssssss

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Hypothetical question

Men can inject test to grow muscles and increase masculine features. Trannies can inject estrogen to become more feminine. Can normal women inject estrogen the way guys do test to improve their ass or whatever?

>>77034864
Magic

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What up /fraud/ , doing my monthly survey. Had the test situation improved at all? I'm still sitting on 1 year and a half of cruise, but I would feel better knowing that it's flowing again.

Was voting Trump a mistake? I thought RFK jr was supposed to make that shit OTC.

>>77038706
It just makes them fat, hairy and moody

>>77038706
Too much estrogen makes women fat and gives them breast cancer
Testosterone is literally a gigachad hormone that makes everyone stronger, slimmer, smarter, sharper and just better overall (even women in moderate amounts, they become fit and horny as fuck)
While estrogen is a beta cuckold tranny hormone that's only good in small amounts, but once it raises it makes everyone fat, retarded moody and just worse (trannies literally kill themselves when they overdose on estrogen)

Testosterone = hard dick, roid rage, compulsive homicide
Estrogen = limp dick, bad mood, suicide
Applies to women as well (with too much estrogen they have a limp clitoris instead)

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>>77038733
>he thought that the jewish influenced government would allow men to become stronger, racist and to hate commies (jewish marxists)
That's on you, hombre

>>77038792
I've read that study and it's not quite saying what you think or what that headline says

>more muscular + rich = less likely to support socialist policies
>more muscular + poor = more likely to support socialist policies

Basically whatever the person thinks will benefit them more

>>77038818
Bottom line is

More muscular = more socially conservative regardless of opinions on economics

>>77038824
Not true according to the study. More muscular = more likely to support policies a person thinks will personally benefit them

>>77033649
>20in biceps in less than a year natty
Suck it gaylord you can't lift for shit I'll beat your ass. Your strength fades fast and your size is gone in 2wks of no lifting I'd literally 1hand push half your body into a wall.

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>>77038706
It's not as simple for women because
>there is more than one hormone in play, estrogen and progesterone (and prolactin too desu) so you don't get a linear first order relationship like you do with guys ie more test = better
>those hormones exist in a cyclical monthly loop where they regularly go up and down and each of them can make the lady go more or less feminine depending on context

It could work but it would require really being in tune with her monthly cycle and taking the right hormones at the right time to really get more feminine but more likely it would just fuck everything up and make them moody and potentially infertile

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>>77038827
Can you at least read the study first before you chat shit

>>77038048
I know

>>77038830
Wut

>>77038891
This terminally obese retard "trolls" like this

anyone taken ecdysterone?

>>77038827
Same thing bro. Being a leftoid is about going against what’s good for you in order to signal virtue. It’s a performative political position.

>>77038706
>>77038834
It's also something to note that birth control is some variant of progestin, progesterone and/or estrogen. And it obviously shuts down their ability to reproduce.