Why was starting strength shilled so relentlessly hard back in the day? It's almost comical looking back.>Low bar squats are the most important exercise>Don't do cardio, it kills gains>You have to bulk and drink a gallon of milk a day>Don't work our your arms AT ALL>Mass moves mass>If you can see your abs, you're a dyel skeletonThis was actually the advice given to people who had never touched a weight, and presumably had no athletic base at all. If you said anything against this, you would get brutally mobbed, insulted, belittled, called a pussy, etc.
>>77039688It was a different timeStarting Strength...had a hard life
>>77039688Many such cases. People get sold on something and then can't imagine other people not being sold on. Especially egregious when the person is autistic because of the autistic neurological difficulty with seeing other perspectives, or if someone's insecure enough to dig their heels in at every criticism. Not that anyone here is autistic or insecure, of course.Then newbies get onboarded because they don't know how to work things out for themselves, and stick with it because they don't know how to work things out for themselves.All the big trends are like this.
>>77039688Options were limited. It's also a decent beginner program.
>>77039688Who cares? I mean really, there’s a starting strength thread on the catalog almost 100% of the time. I just can’t see how it’s such a captivating conversation. It’s probably a pretty good starting program for powerlifting. That’s really all that ever needs to be said.
>>77039688it works, still does, along with all the variants. look at all the questions people ask on here still. almost all of them would be better off with starting strength. throw in some sprints, a little zone cardio, and stretching and you are fine. most people absolutely cannot learn anything more complex than starting strength on their own. you are acting like doing only barbell lifting for a 4-9 whole months is going to completely ruin someone. its called starting strength. not, this is the only thing I ever did in the gym for the 3-4 years I went before I got bored and starting complaining on fit about how I got no gains. you can do starting strength and also learn how to stretch and do cardio, but its too much for most people to learn.
>>77039688I just bitched about it in another thread but as a 2013 oldfag, it was:>Everyone losing their minds over the jock trips/poasters and zyzz who were probably doing T under the table>4chan was up for 9 years but no notable physiques were yet produced>Sean wrote the sticky and told everyone they HAD to do a novice strength routine>Novice routines were all barbell based and completely agnostic to lifter body types>They were also bad (Greyskull LP was arguably the only good one)>If you actually read SS, Rippletits clearly has no idea of what a healthy diet was>Everyone wanted to get hot and get laidSo in the end, you had a lot of socially mal-adjusted anime weeb basement dwellers coming on here, starting sharting strength (or stronglifts... LMAO), doing GOMAD, and becoming horrendously fat with frankly laughable lifts in 80% of cases. I remember in my case, I'm tall as fuck so my squat was stuck at around 245x5 but my diddly and bench hit 3pl+ and 2pl within that year. I ended up backing off to calisthenics for awhile, came back on a Mentzer routine (machine exhaustion + compound post-exhaustion which was technically easier) and got twice the strength size gains upon coming back.I'm just glad nobody has to fall for it and I don't have to see "WHY DO I HAVE A FAT BLACK WOMAN ASS" posts every day anymore.
There is that Swedish (I think) guy that fell for the SS meme and then pivoted to do calisthenics. Went from one extreme to another after getting burned by SS by hating on weighted exercises periods except for weight pullups/chinups. Big improvement in his physique but despite intransigently shitting on weighted exercises, he never made the connection between the fact that his most developed muscles (his back) were the only ones he used weights for lol
>>77040127The guy that was skinnyfat and now sells personal training to escape skinnyfat? He did SS & eating a lot and got fat. He also used weights for SS.
On SS you progress 7.5kg every week, 1pl8 every month. It bootcamp to get you to learn how to grab a barbell and do the big lifts, which happen to be the most difficult ones, acquire good habits, learn a bit about other things like shoes racks and dieting and figure out where you stand in terms of strength. Unless you keep deloading beyond what's reasonable you're not even going to do it for six months it's not a way of life or a physique builder, it's lifting 101.
>>77039688>>Low bar squats are the most important exercise>>Don't do cardio, it kills gains>>Don't work our your arms AT ALLI always knew these were fucking stupid and it's why I avoided the roid xirs and BB forum faggots. most of them used steroids to get big and the others were frail but with definition. a cesspool
>>77040091>2013>oldfagYeah yeah, newfag, time flies I guess. I guess I'll allow it. You've been here awhile, after all.
It's always been shit but people have no accountability, so they'll cope by saying "we didn't know any better", while at the time they dogmatically tried to shit on anyone that disagreed with the programAnyway, it's fucking retarded and it only helps to speedrun disc degeneration and looking like a clown in jeans
>>77039688If you want the god honest truth, back then there was a campaign to trick incoming newfags from sites like Tumblr, Reddit, and formerly Gaia Online into doing dumb shit to embarrass themselves by using their own ignorance against them. SS+GOMAD, nofap, and believe it or not the entire brony/animalkin/therian dealio were all along the same lines. There was a lot more than this, too. However, there was such a tremendous shitflood of newfags migrating onto 4chan that they never caught onto the joke and those things gained widespread acceptance instead - which is a better outcome than any of us could have ever imagined...and we're all still laughing.
>>77039688I never saw it "shilled" anywhere but then again I have a life outside of the internet
>>77040437That isn't how it happened and this post feels Jewish.
>>77040437>NoFapSure thing Golstein, I will go now and keep banging my dick with my hand while watching porn. It prevents ass cancer! I read it somewhere.
repetitive kekke spamhe's posted this thread 500 times
>>77040374Oskar farakrog was his name I think yea
>>77040524posting this image in 2026 should get you hung
>>77039688top right and middle left don't even look that badjust need more arm size
I fell for that shit the first time I started going to the gym taking advice from redditI'm glad I ignored the getting far part
>>77039688The problem does not lie with squats, but with GOMAD.
>>77040405>it's lifting 101.I just watched youtube videos. If it's ever 1994 again and I lose my memory I'll buy a book.
What's better option then?
>>77039688God I hope my ass gets fat.
Getting a baseline of strength makes everything work better, and a short cut will negate the fat loss from doing SS. Even if you do nothing but flies and machine press for chest, you will lift more weight and get a better result (even with higher reps) if you start out stronger. It is just a 3 month (4-5 if you include the cut) investment into a higher rate of return on your bodybuilding training. Some people actually look good after if they don't eat like shit.
>>77039688it's a solid beginner program that requires all the basic barbell lifts. it has an easy to understand progression. 5x5 isn't optimal for much of anything, but at weights where you can complete straight sets of 5x5, you're unlikely to hurt yourself. at 5lbs/week progression you literally cannot run it for a long time. GOMAD and squats & oats were always memed on for being sillya lot of the methodology (and diet advice) comes out of the fact that people like Rip and Bill Starr designed their programs more around things like competition weightlifting and high school football i.e. not bodybuilding or aesthetics. and also probably assumed their guys would do a bunch of curls anyway
>>77039688Post legs
>need to go pretty heavy to make 5 rep range hard>always end up hurting my back in deadlifts or squats>work out once a week and become dyelthis has been my experience with SS for about 1 year now. i think i will switch to a push/pull split but keep doing the big compound movements.also plan on throwing in more lower back focused lifts like good mornings, as well as more johnny bodybuilder type stuff for arms and back
>>77040091Imagine getting filtered by a 245 squat
>>77039688People on this site used to be halfway intelligent and also lift weights.Now they are almost all stupid and don't lift.
No one who has actually done SS is unhappy with the resultsmeme images notwithstandingI've come to realize almost all of this hate is because people just don't want to lift heavy weights, because it's hard
>>77042515Whatever the hell you're doing it doesn't sound like SS
>>770427075x3 squat, 5x3 ohp/bench, 5x1 deadliftI guess I'm just going too heavy idk.
>>77042515>need to go pretty heavy to make 5 rep range hard>always end up hurting my back in deadlifts or squatsthat's a you problem anon, i'm not saying git gud i mean you either have fucked up form or a fucked up back
>>77042789ya my back is bad i had surgery a while back but it feels mostly fine now. for squat form i try to copy tom platz like going really low and staying mostly upright
>wasting the prime of your noob gains on legs and ass, that makes you look horrible without arms and upper body gains to back it upWhat is this retardation
>>77039688big butts are hot
I did SS but did high bar and an extra upper body accessory. Worked out well for me since I transitioned to olympic lifting later
>>77039688Because it's a solid beginner program, you only need to run it for a 2-3 months (tops) before switching to whatever program suites your specific goals. Peak /fit/ was 2010 and it was obsessed with>strength > aesthetics
>>77039688The book is worth the read, if only because technical analysis of the lifts is perfect. It got my squat to 2x bodyweight in 6 months as a 30 year old who had never lifted. It goes wrong because people fixate on numbers, overeagerly overload, get inadequate recovery, and expect to gain like a high school student in their 40s.It's not perfect, but just take the diet advice with a grain of salt, add weighted pullups, and do some sport-specific cardio, which if I'm not mistaken he doesn't tell you not to do. That part of your criticism is just fiction. As far as the squat variation, SS coaches have come around to not caring whether you do high bar or low bar.
>>77042515>1 year. That's the problem. It's a 2-4 month noob program. You became capable of loads you could not recover from in time, and kept trying to train a noob program when you needed to distribute more volume and recovery between less frequent overload events.>>77039688The program is for people trying to quickly increase lift numbers and gain weight. It does that well. If you're an intermediate lifter training for aesthetics, don't do it with a novice strength bulking program.
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Hold up, we're not supposed to do SS? I've been doing them for years so now I realize why my body still looks like shit. I tried moving to 5x5 but I injured my shoulder.
>>77039688I find it sort of hilarious that young fellas decide to start gunning, then overanalyze everything, follow some gimpy program like SS and end up looking almost worse than before. What happened to just going in and fucking around with bench and bicep curls. Obviously shit as a long-term training plan, but you get to see muscle growth and make actual progress
The title confuses a lot of people. It was built for guys who were already sportsmen and competitors who knew the basics of breathing, diet, recovery, effort, intensity and form. It was not designed for anime pros
I don't understand why SS is hated so much.I guess if people followed it to the letter you'd get these meme cursed bodies.For me SS is GOAT program for my body, you just need to stay off the bulk meme and when you reach certain aesthetics just stay at that weights and stay on maintenance calories.>33F ~135 lbs>Squats 130 lbs>DL 160 lbs>Bench 120 lbs>OHP 80 lbs>row 100 lbs
>>77039688>Why was starting strength shilled so relentlessly hard back in the day? It's almost comical looking back.It was the start of the whole grifter psyops. I think the only real marketing astrotrufing campaign before SS was MMA. Well, afterwards, such campaigns became the norm. I don't expect zoomer brainlets to understand any of this though.
>>77039688>>Low bar squats are the most important exerciseThe squat is the most important exercise and nobody can convince me otherwise.
Btw Zach Evetts became a retarded leftoid after doing Starting Strength and is currently in trial facing a MINIMUM of 10 years (up to life) in federal prison for his role in an attempted ambush on ICE officershttps://www.fox4news.com/news/alvarado-ice-facility-easy-target-ambush-criminologist-saysSS NOT EVEN ONCE
At least all the squatz I did means I can clench my asshole shut and no one can rape meT-thanks Rippetoe...
>>77039688It had a catchy name which is enough for me.
>>77039688When I read posts like this, I realize that normies like you don't really understand the human body in the context of gaining lean mass, how certain phrases have become some kind of fitness Boogeyman and that nobody who talks shit about SS has ever read the book>Low bar squats are the most reliable way to stimulate your body into building lean mass everywhere, this kickstart helps with your overall mass gaining journey>Nobody said this>This was only recommended for those individuals who were underweight and struggled to gain weight in the first place>The book clearly outlines accessories and now everyone recommending SS specifies adding accessories since retards like you won't read the fucking book>This is inarguably true>If you're unathletic and have never lifted, this is likely trueBeing mad about SS is like being mad about training wheels for kids bikesIt's the universally tried and true method used for a short period of time to help people get to a reasonable starting point before going off on their own
>>77043656After he completed SS and swapped programs, he got juicy thoHe's proof SS works when you post his next progress pic
>>77043656>>77043659HOLY FUCK LMAOOOO Low bar confirmed for incel squat.
>>77043737Post body
>>77039688It was a meme that took on a life of its own. Eventually, people forgot/didnt know it was a meme and took it seriously. Anyone with half a brain, even unaware of fitness, correctly realised that never working out your arms would make you look like a sack of shit.
>>77039688Its virtually an identical program to what we were doing in my Texas state champion highschool football program, except we did more clean and jerks and a relay race on wednesdays where you did a bunch of different brosplit isolation excercises moving through stations we set up.Free weights just give you way more of an athletic benefit and squats are the most important lift for football - im pretty sure Rippetoe was a football coach too.
>>77043656>>77043659not surprising, powershart types tend to be bisexual (which is just gay but worse because they're closeted)unironically though his baseline after doing SS was great
>>77043752You'd like that, wouldn't you, gay boy
>>77044940Where do you think you are?
>>77043656>>77043659Wow it's actually him. Incredible. Reminds me of reddit randy, who's still in prison.
>>77039688Everyone listened to a fat boomer retard who wasn't even a successful weightlifting competitor. Fell for it award. I started coming on /fit/ at like 14 and even then I read that shit and knew it was retarded.
>>77043656>>77043659>>77043749>>77044229>>77045360What do you expect from a coach who's a BBC cuck
>>77046094>Everyone listened to a fat boomer retard who wasn't even a successful weightlifting competitor nor has he trained anyone with professional successftfyThe dude is a pretty big fucking fail at everything but grifting.
>>77039688Its a starter program and its focused on strength. And it does that well. The squats were the big lift for a beginner. Cardio would just complicate things for the beginner and you could always do whatever you wanted. No cardio and the gallon of milk a day thing were always for high school kids who burn more calories then an adult. Your arms gets enough work for a beginner and ya its a strength program so mass and not being skinny were the goal.
>>77043610It's not. This board is slow and unpopulated in>current yearand it only takes a few whiney faggots to create the appearance of consensus. Consider all the anons that did starting strength, it worked and they moved on in life. The fags stuck on /fit/ and grumpy, disgenic perma-DYEL.
>>77046959>>77046938OK, why the focus on the squats then?Also why not include things like curls and core workout?SL 5x5 does better work compared to SS.
>>77040524>Fertilizer on the fucking bookshelfKill yourself NOW
>>77046938>And it does that well.It doesn't and you're a retard.
>>77043610>why is ss hated so much?>if you follow it you get a meme cursed bodyWTF, Anon
>>77039688Viral marketing.But /fit/ isn't much better nowadays.
>>77046968>OK, why the focus on the squats then?football>Also why not include things like curls and core workout?Read the book. Believe it or not there is more in there than just s/b/d and power cleans.>SL 5x5 does better work compared to SSMarginal difference. 5x5 was always in sticky along with SS back then IIRC, somehow it was memed into a plebbit vs 4chins thing.
>>77039851>Options were limited.BULL FUCKING SHITEveryone on SS would have done better on old school 3x10. Everyone.
>>77040524NoFap is literally just as useless as SS. Use it or lose it.
>>77040817Nah it's squats alright. To this day you get the comical physiques with mediocre upper body and grotesque chicken thighs, like Will Tennyson.
>>77047048And everyone who did 3x10 would do better on a 1x10.What amazes me is that fact that some fat retard can recommend a basic strength progression on your most basic bread and butter compound lifts and title it something and pretend it's some kind of "thing." And then pretend that anything you do after is thanks to "starting" strength. It's a hilarious con.
>>77043737>>Low bar squats are the most reliable way to stimulate your body into building lean mass everywhere, this kickstart helps with your overall mass gaining journeyThis is simply not true. It's a meme that is used by SSfaps to cope.
>>77042488Yes, but SS is a training program NOT a diet/nutrition program. Rip's advice on diet is flawed, especially if if by following it you turn into a fat fuck.Do the SS program as written, eat a sensible athlete's diet with enough carbs, fats and protein to grow and fuel workouts (this may require education beyond what SS preaches) and after 3-4 months you will be much stronger, a little bigger and ready to move on to more advanced programming. What that advanced programming looks like depends on your goals and your individual body strengths and weaknesses. Diet, hwoever, is always going to have the biggest effect on how you look.Use SS to develop good, base level strnegth, then find other programs Thats how its SUPPOSED to work.
>>770470681x10 doesn't work either. Unless you roid.Source: Tried it back in the 90s. Got me ultra-skinny with good strength though.
>>77047077Should have taken more days off
>>77047070>Do the SS program as writtenI actually read the book.While the concept is sound, it's geared towards professional weight lifting newbies.Which is the target.I do something else inspired from SL/SS, AxBxAxx>AS/DL/BP>BS/R/OHPMy diet is mostly high protein and low carb at maintenance or slightly less.I'm stronger than average person, with better looking body than most powershitters.
>>77047083Volume = hypertrophyThat's why in sports where you need power and low bodyweight, like decathlon, sprinting, jumping and so on, they do high intensity with low volume. And it works, because you don't gain mass that way.So whom am I gonna believe my own experience and generations world class athletes, or retarded autists on 4chan and a junkie has been bodybuilder who was juiced to the gills yet never amounted to anything?We solved bodybuilding in the 70s and 80s. Anything beyond that time can be safely disregarded.You may now commence throwing your autistic fit, which won't change reality btw.
>>77047096>Volume = hypertrophyThen why don't ultra marathon runners all look like mr. Olympias? Because they aren't chugging enough protein shakes? Lmao.Curiously it's the sprinters that have the best physiques. That's of course because short, intense, and infrequent exercise = hypertrophy. Anaerobic volume will only lengthen recovery and delay growth.
I'm at a loss for the raging debate over this. Is the main detractor Rippletits himself? It may be a grift but nobody owes him a dime for following a simple 3x5 newbie program. Mad that a boomer bloatlord figured out a way to slap his brand on a simple principle that has been known for humanity's entire history? If you are weak, never lifted before, and want to get stronger SS will work, so will 5x5. The difference between that and a 3x10 over the first ~3-4 months of training is going to be negligible. Just don't actually drink a gallon of milk every day.
>>77047150Piling onto my own comment, when SS was king on /fit/ and>squats and oatsmade millenials piss and shit their pants, most /fit/izens were wimpy nerds who had no idea what they were doing in the gym. Their greatest threat wasn't picking a suboptimal program, it was having no program at all. Adrift anons going to the gym with fuckaround-itis. SS is an extremely simple blueprint that anybody could follow until they were ready for something else and smart enough to program it for themselves.
>>77047063If you're a healthy teenager or in your twenties, sure you don't need to squat so much, but if some +30yo couch potato asks my advice I'm putting him on stronglifts 5x5 for at least half a year. Glutes and quads are one of the biggest muscles in the body. No exercise adds as much mass on a frame in as little time as squats. Doing many heavy squats will also taxes your cardiovascular system.Why does this matter? It will boost his metabolism, boost his hormones, boost his confidence, boost energy levels, boost his work capacity, ect... If you go back and read bodybuilding books and magazines from the 50's you'll read similar advice.
99% of this thread is jew bots talking to other jew bots.Two Truths:SS makes kikes seethe This board is dead.kikes and jeets finally killed it
>>77047090>>A>S/DL/BP>>B>S/R/OHPthis is literally SL lol. i guess with 33% more diddly/BP and less row/OHP if you only do B once a week>>77047114anaerobic's a big word, might want to look that one up before using it again
>>77048960>only do B once a weekThe next week would be BxAxBxx.I don't train abs, all of this is just these and high protein diet.But my numbers are trash compared to powerlifters>squats 200>DL 200>BP 160>OHP 100>row 120And it fucking shows during intimate time, when a woman would want me to manhandle her.Most of these women weigh above 200 lbs now.
>>77039688Well it's a decent beginner programId rather see a beginner do SS than whatever bullshit meme program they can come up with themselves. For some reason when it comes to lifting, people who are completely new somehow think they're knowledgeable enough to put together their own successful program, which usually is bench day, curl day and abs day. And ultimately they waste their first 2 years on that shit and stay weak as shit with no gainzSS is perfect for idiot noobs who have no idea how to train, it will at least teach the fundamentals, get you pretty strong and set you on the right path
>>77040646Hung like he's got a big benis? Yeah ok dude we get it, you like cock
>>77039688My highschool powerlifting coach made me do this after playing 0 sports ever and I just gained like 50lbs and got my squat to 160 solidifying my future as a fat chud. After highschool I copied every sam sulek video autisticly lost the weight and made more gains than ever
>>77039688Because people knew you wanted to work out to get women, so they put you on a program that made you fat and ugly.It was intentional sabotage.
>>77049369>copy sulekroid and wheeze?
>>77049372Only if you get the meme diet.Just follow the program while being on deficit.Your gains would be aesthetics.
>>77039688Yeah, only that wasn't what was written in the book, at all. >Low bar squatsOk, it focuses on that, that's true>Don't do cardio, it kills gainsAnd yet most people that do cardio nowadays do 10k steps per day. That doesn't kill gains, and here I quote >That's not cardio, that's shopping >GOMADA gallon of milk a day is only for teenagers that can't gain weight on a normal light bulk diet. Because if you can't gain while eating enough meat and carbs, your doing something wrong, and going full retard on milk removes your stupidity from the equation. It was a remedial program, not the suggested path to take. >Don't work out your arms at allBench, ohp, and chin ups make up the other half of the program, after squats. And lying triceps extensions are included once they become needed. You are critiquing without having read the book at all.
>>77047069>Uses the most muscle groups of any exercise >Low injury rate>Not the most reliable full body building liftR u retarted
>>77049379Taking his advice not roiding
>>77039688The truth is the online space was dominated by dogmatic powerlifters who insisted that the best initial routine was a powerlifting routine like 5x5Over time people realised that this wasn't the case and that SS is actually counterproductive for a lot of people, and that those recommending it for bodybuilding had absolutely no results in that field to show for it and were mostly overweight and resentful powerlifters
>>77043509Young people are always trying to find the optimal way to get something without actually trying it first. Then they get memed into something like ss or sl by dyels on the internet because they are gullible. It doesnt help that people on this board will give out advice but won't post body to prove anything yet gen z and younger just believe it like gospel.
>>77043555>It was built for guys who were already sportsmen and competitors who knew the basics of breathing, diet, recovery, effort, intensity and form.This. The 5lb/week progression is insane and frankly impossible for some skelly just starting to exercise for the first time in his life. There's no muscle for the CNS to utilize to begin with; dudes like that will never experience "noob gains." Unironically, I would recommend pilates and then a bodyweight program like P90X for starting skellies over weight programs.
>>77047090Agreed. This is what we need. I do Chins instead of rows, and I do arms (bis and tris) in super set fashion with three sets of higher reps twice per week, as I am past newbie stage. Read the SS book as a primer on how to perform the lifts, DO the SS program as a novice and no matter where you are along the traing experience spectrum you MUST be getting better -more weight on the bar is probably the best metric for most of us. Physique looks solid.
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>>77049041Yes, but its not just a "decent beginner program" It makes real the concept of linear progression AND THEN how when linear progression stops working we MUST segue into some sort of heavy day-light day or Heavy-light-medium type of programming if wewant to succeed. There are dozens of programs that flesh this out, but learning to understand (through seeing your own body change and get stronger) is a massive beenfot of SS.After grinding to a halt on SS and trying to linearly squeeze progress out for way too ong, I finally realized that some type of itnermediate programming was required. When I did started Texas Method, I started seeing gains again. Texas method is good vut not great, its jjst Rippletits HL-M program, ahtough he uses different words.Someone asked - "whats wrong with just going to the gym and hitting bench and arms?" Well, nothing, until it stops working. I know a young bro at the gym right now -strong kid - goes in and grinds. His bench has been stuck at 275 x 4 for months now. He has plateued. I keep telling him to try benching twice a week: Volume day (like 5 sets of 5 with 250) then 2-3 days later a light day (like work up to two sets of 5 with 225) . If he did that simple change, in a month or he could would burst thru his plateau and keep making monthly strngth gains.But bc he never did a disciplined program, it doesnt make sense to do so. So he comes in (natty) and woks hard and consitent, but hes just spinnig his wheels. No appreciation for the art of programming.
>>77049659Nonsense. Start with the bar and use .5 pound plates if 2.5 pound plates are too much. The concept is sound for everyone - titrating the weight load may be highly individual (like if youre an 85 pound string bean of a girl). But the idea is the same.
>>77049677>Physique looks solid.Thanks dude, I'm 37 too btw.I started resistance training after covid because I gained too much weight and my sex drive was dead because of depression.So I picked weightlifting as a way to improve both aspect of my life, and this saved my marriage too.DESU, most of this is from proper diet, the weights just keep the muscles mostly.I do supersets for the major big lifts and rest 2 minutes between, most people that complain about this routine because it's supposed to be bad.But it's working out for me, and as I said it's mostly diet.
Pic like this make me understand why SS focus on squats
>>77039688Because like 99.9999% of the fucking morons here they didn't read the book. Including you. Fuck you.
>>77047068Guy who came back and started off with mentzer's ideal routine here: it works. I like the machine one-muscle focus > compound supersets especially. You can target the headliner muscles then work all the weaker surrounding muscles in the compound to failure while driving more growth in the primary muscle as you go past failure recruiting those helper muscles.
>>77049537this is true, and the common recommendation for an intermediate routine after SS was 5/3/1. what a sick joke
>>77049697Too bad Ripptits never said anything about that and only prescribed 5lb increments, because that's the smallest increment you can increase with plates at a gym.
>>77039688The real reason is that the acronym sounded cool to /pol/tards so they spread it everywhere as it's similar to the nazi corps acronym. None of the shills actually followed it or knew what it even was they just spread it around to noobs to feel like they're helping people.This place is full of crabs and demoralizers but also false prophets and seriously clueless retards who had it too easy and dont know what advice to give to whom and how to do it, or simply do it to feel like they're helping someone. It's just toxic positivity and the proof is that when you reject or criticize it you get absurd backlash for daring to go against their dogma. Someone who knows their shit and genuinely wants to help you out of altruism not stroking their own ego would never get mad over you criticizing their advice
>>77039688>mass moves massthis is not a part of SS. that is a stand alone quote.
>>77051758Correct. But later, Rippletits became an adovcate of "microweights, which lets you add a pound or two per workput. On Amazon, I was able to buy 1.25 pound Iron plates. So theyre not unheard of. Its just that you need to invest in yourself.
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>>77053012Oh yeah, these got my overhead press way up. Was critical for escaping 95-115 hell and getting up to 1pl8+.I had access to even smaller microweights at a powerlifting gym and for 15 weeks, 2 sessions a week, I would use half pound plates to add 1 pound at a time, but I got my overhead press rep weight up 30lbs, so it worked.
>>77051828>doesn't realize the SS-era of /fit/ predated the existence of /pol/fuck off tourist
Recommending men to train 50/50 upper/lower or almost more on the legs side is just hideous.Even if I can see if you train some american football athletes or whatever then yeah most of their power comes from glutes and legs.
>>77040524I'm so glad the whole tradmaxxing meme is mostly gone.
>>77039688barbells are way overrated. The most times Ive had comments from people I didnt see in a while about my gains is when I didnt have access to the gym and was spamming pull ups, chin ups, dips, various push up variations, hand stand push ups and doing kettlebells.
>>77053767I swear it the same. I think its also because kbs make me leaner and i move better. i think the movement has an effect.
>>77047068>>77051117>>77047077I'm not sold on Mentzer's low volume philosophy. Aren't you more likely to get injured if you don't warm up adequately?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nhoikoUEI8UIs this really proper squat technique? Isn't he leaning forward too much?
Why do women do squats like this?And why do people think squats give you ass gains?
>>77054297Obviously you warm up first. Mentzer probably fibbed about doing just one set but psychologically it makes a lot more sense to do 2-3 sets to actual failure than to do 3-5 sets across with the same number of weight each set.Re: threadDefending starting strength is the ultimate motte and bailey fallacy.It's JUST a 3 month program for high school football players to do in the off season ... but it's the default beginner program for anyone and everyone, regardless of their physical background or their actual goals.You're ONLY supposed to do it for 3 months ... except there are arbitrary strength standards you should hit.Etc.
>>77043179yep this was before the current fatherless raised-by-single-mother zoomali obsession with aesthetics>b-b-b-but what will the wymminz think about it?A recipe for disaster. Imagine mutilating your physique and mind by obsessing over a biocunt's opinion.
>>77043610this, just don't be a bulkcuck>>77046988he clearly meant not following it 100% because not all of it is good you fucking retarded normalfag subhuman. Learn to use your tiny brain.
>>77046278>>77045360>>77044229>>77043749>>77043659holy kek they caught his "gf" too. They probably locked "her" in a cell with BBC Bubba.
>>77042412For a newbie doughboy unironically a bro split. Mon: Bis and Tris 9-12 sets eachTues: Legs 15 sets totalWed: chest 12 sets totalThur: RestFri: Back 12-15 sets totalSat: Abs and cardioSun: RestRepeat Eat at a 500+ cal deficit if very fat, 250-500 cal deficit if flabby, 250-500 cal surplus if skelly. Get in lots of protein-1 gram per lean lb of body weight, take 5g creatine per day. There I just saved your physique, guaranteed to make you look and feel twice as good as SS after 6 months, you might even get a gf....
>>77054897Why I feel this is meme fizzyk?
>>77054900A meme thats built every good looking physique since 1980....But sure do 5 singles of DL and drink a gallon of milk a day...im sure your constant farting and pear shaped physique will impress Stacey
>>77054572For most exercises, I do 3 sets of 10 reps, all with increasing weights. The first set is just a warmup and the last set I take to failure. Once I reach 12 reps, I move the weights up and try to get to 12 reps again and repeat. Does this count as low volume? I follow a 5 day PPLUL split with 2 additional days of cardio only.
I'm sorry to tell you this my friend, but if that's how your body responds to powerlifting you're going to look like that no matter what magical powerlifting routine you find
>>77054297>>77054572>Mentzer probably did 3-5 sets to failurelmao NO. PLAINLY NO.ONE. SET.The most I've seen him do for an advanced client that was probably on peds was a VERY light warmup set, just to get the blood flowing, consisting of light weight reps on the compound portion of a superset. Then, the working set, the related accessory lift to failure, one set, then immediately sprint back to the compound for one set to failure. There's no logical reason to do more than one set once you've already gone to failure. Mike was not doing secret meth reps when nobody was looking or whatever dumbass rumors people spout
>>77039688Because It has a basic principle of fit. You go lift and add more weight the next time.
>>77040524>still alone in both panelsif you lived long enough you know both are miserable, at least the guy at the top is numbing himself more effectively
>>77053107>loved working out so much he did it right after a back injury ignoring his doctorsand his only regret is that he didnt lift heavieryou will never love anything as much as this negro loves the gym
>>77055209Sometimes my second set is stronger than the first
>>77055550Was that because you left something on the table knowing you had more sets to do? Often that's the caseAnd even if you took two sets to real failure, that doesn't stimulate further growth and only deepens the recovery pit
>>77054572>Mentzer probably fibbed about doing just oneYeah, Mentzer is literally proven to have been completely full of shit. His word is about as reliable as Jason Blaha's
>>77040091>Greyskull LP I've had this image on my pc since 2018!
>start SS program>lost 30 lbs>now I'm skelly with good bones
>>77055565>Was that because you left something on the table knowing you had more sets to do? Often that's the caseNo I think it's more being warmed up and muscles all firing on high>And even if you took two sets to real failure, that doesn't stimulate further growth and only deepens the recovery pitI'm curious what your lifts and physique are. I train very low volume but you seem quite set on the 'one set' idea and I wonder how that's worked out
Psyops.SS is body positivity for men.
>>77054897>>77054921Pretty much this. I'd stay away from the creatine tho.
>>77055882I purchased the ebook in the 2013-2014 time frame, it was workable but basically came down to "do SS, but do extra reps at the end if you're still not tired".
>>77057086To me that's the dumbest shit in the worldWhen do you have 'extra reps in the tank'????Fucking when?Who, when doing SS, can do OVER FIVE REPS ON THE LAST SET?Maybe on like your first two workouts. But after that??This never made ANY sense to me.
