>73 calories
>$6.99 plus tax and tip
Fruit like this is for the phytochemical and flavanoids and polyphenols and shit, not the macros>>77050647Yes capitalism is insanely out of control and needs to be ended for mandatory or essential costs like housing, food, insurance (get rid of this, single-payer healthcare), education, etc.Or when companies have captured entire segments like mobile telephone service being owned by 3 companies or agricultural seeds/fertilizers owned by 4 companies
>>77050636two fiddy at spud shed m8
>>77050664>muh capitalismCapitalism is why you have berries in winter at 50° north at all retard, do you think berries are in Dear Leader's Glorious 5 Year Industrial Plan?
>>77050664>>77050672for fucks sake we can't even have an innocent thread about blackberries without it dumster firing into a tirade about politics.
>>77050664>berries>essential
>>77050683What is there to discuss?>berries are good for you and low calorie>it's currently January so berries are expensive>communists are a danger to themselves and others and should be removed from society by any means necessary, Francisco Franco and Pinochet did nothing wrong, the constitution is not a suicide pact with misanthropic antinatalistsWhat part of that is political
>>77050672>Communism is when no berries1) Anti-capitalism doesn't necessarily mean "communism", "socialism", or any other 'ism 2) The phrase communism means nothing anymore, because of decades of cold war propaganda, if you ask 100 different people what it means you'll get 100 different answers3) China is not capitalist, and it's beating the US in every single metric that matters, 90% home ownership, housing costs as low as $25 a month or free, free healthcare, free college, and extremely cheap food
Mulberries are superior but you can't buy them anywhere
Capitalists thinks this owns the commiesIf you opened up private prison cells for $50/m rent, but you could obviously leave just like a regular apartment, they'd instantly all be rented out
This is a hospital in North Korea, you're guaranteed free healthcare thereMeanwhile 60,000 Americans die every year because they have literally no healthcare, worse than a North Korean
>>77050664I noticed that a lot of things go on a buy one get one free deal because no one is buying them at the exorbitant rates. even the food industry is feeling the crunch and I think we'll get a price drop in the future.
>>770506921) "I don't have any actual alternative I'm just mad" is a toddler kicking and screaming, not a political platform.2) See 13) China has a 0% homeownership rate, because there is no private land ownership in China. What they have instead are 99 year leases that can be revoked by the government at any time. Repeating Chinese communist propaganda while claiming not to be communist is disingenuous at best. Taiwan is also wildly richer and more successful than mainland China despite being a tiny island because they're capitalist. And every move China has made out of abject poverty has been because of market reforms.You know all this, but communists only see words as a means to an end. Franco would have had you hanged, and Spain is a lot nicer than China for it.
>>77050702>>77050697>I'm not a communist but->immediately starts autoposting lefty/pol/ propaganda from authoritarian communist regimesCommunists are subhuman retards who can't speak without lying.
The bottom 50% of the USA has only 2.5% of the wealth>>77050713China is a socialist market economy. Key features include:- State ownership and control of all major essential sectors.- Regulation heavily geared towards producing abundance and low prices to benefit the people and national interests, even if that means "over-supply" and hurting the bottom line for shareholders.- State and collective ownership of all land.- Strong regulation to keep housing cheap and prevent it becoming a speculative asset.- Capitalists have no control over the government, politicians, and general decision making for society, the CCP with communist ideals is the one in power.- Strong social safety nets including free healthcare, higher education, and free or subsidized housing and food.
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>>77050716>State and collective ownership of all land.So the Chinese homeownership rate is 0%, like I just said, you subhuman bugman can't>the CCP with communist ideals is the one in power.Then why do you keep denying they're communist you disingenuous nigger faggotEverything you say is either a lie or directly contradicts something you already said, only truthful by accident
>>77050723I just really, really, really fucking hate capitalismIt's a system where people who just "own things" and do nothing productive (shareholders, creditors, landlords, fee collectors) force everyone who doesn't "own things" to do the work while they steal the vast majority of wealth generated by those workers
>>77050728You're a failure of a human being who blames everything but himself while worshipping foreign authoritarian strongmen and swallowing Chinese propaganda like gallons of cum. What do you think separates you from deranged western pro-Putin fascists except the color of your false flag?
>>77050731I am mad about the structural systematic makeup of western societyWhere people who just "own things" and do nothing productive are taking the vast majority of the wealthThat's not a "me" problem or a personal failure
>>77050636>73 calories0 if you include picking that shit out of your teeth as exercise
>>77050738The fact that you own nothing is, in fact, a personal failure. You're sitting on 4chan bitching and crying about how unfair the world is instead of taking extra hours and saving. The reason you have no stake in the market is you're a loser faggot who can't into DCA investing.You also acknowledged already that even in your dream authoritarian communist shithole, all the power and wealth ultimately resides with the Party Elite, which you won't be part of. You'll be a low level commissar and get purged when you aren't useful, assuming a counterrevolution doesn't turn you into a Good Communist first.
>>77050750If you put two buttons in front of mea) I become a billionareb) Unearned income is banned (i.e. you can't just "own things" and steal money from other people like shareholders, creditors, landlords, etc.)I would press bSee you keep assuming my position is out of jealously, where I just want to be one of those "owners" myself who steal money from other peopleI'm not, I genuinely hate this system and want it gone, I don't want to just "win" at the system so I become the one stealing money from other people's work
is anyone going to point out that out of the two states red-anon has pointed to as examples, in communist China you have to pay for berries with the wage you get from working a regular job just like in the west, and in communist North Korea there are no berries and you're lucky if your family eats at all
>>77050738>>77050731>>77050750>>77050716you two friends of dorothy gotta be the biggest homosexuals on this entire website. I've scrolled past literal gay sex threads in the /gif/ catalog that were more heterosexual than your guys' posts. I've been browsing for about an hour and reading you two's little gay back and forth was enough to actually pull me out of it and realize what the fuck im actually doing. I'm gonna go get something to eat and then hit the gym. So thanks for that I guess. Enjoy your gay little internet argument
>>77050760If you put two buttons in front of mea) Kill all communists instantlyb) Make me a billionaire instantlyI'd get one of those desktop woodpecker ornaments to keep tapping button A indefinitely, forever, and the world would be better off for it. I genuinely think your ideology is a threat to basic life, liberty and survival and believe violence against you is justified as self defense.Now that we've put our strong feelings on the table, can you answer this?>>77050764
>>77050636>pesticidesjust die
>>77050971why are you such a faggot?
>>77050670Based spud shed enjoyer. Also, They don’t want you to know this but berries on the side of the road are free you can take them home I have 458 berries
>>77050770>he didn't have an answerlol
>>77050636they're great in plain greek yogurt but the little seeds get stuck in mah teefs
>>77050702Is every North Korean hospital from Kaesong to Chongjin like that and does every North Korean have access to a hospital like that? Is that even real or is it just a cheap prop like that laughable attempt they tried to pass off as a nuclear submarine recently?
>>77050672So was that the subscription model or SaaS that did that or what?
>>77051097berries don't grow in winter at high latitudes so you're paying for either greenhouse berries or a refrigerated truck up from mexicothis simply wouldn't be done under communism unless they liberalize the food supply at which point the same costs apply...
>>77051101>Any system other than capitalism is when no berries in winterIf capitalism was allowed to do whatever they wanted, shareholders would put lead flakes in your food to increase weight so it sells for moreIf it was legal and profitable, shareholders would literally murder you and your entire family grinding them up into dogfood if it made them $1 richer
>>77051101https://solar.lowtechmagazine.com/2020/04/fruit-trenches-cultivating-subtropical-plants-in-freezing-temperaturesThe soviets were dumbass authoritarians who thought Lysenko would be their guy for growing crops in the cold. But why the fuck would you think a state that wants to be self-reliant, considers themselves highly scientific and efficient, seeks to win propaganda points against capitalism wouldn't work on greenhouses or something?And that's for full-on commie bastards, we're just talking not giving capitalism credit for being the sole system to be willing or able to do something like this. They went to space, anon.
>>77050647I can get 2 packs for $5 sometimes, on other days its 1 pack for $5. Varies a lot.
>>77050702>Look at this state propaganda guis!Average tankie
>>77050692I wonder how many of the "homeless" that would wind up in those commie blocks were drug addicts, mentally ill freaks and lumpenproles who wanted to live off the welfare state despite being able, but not willing, to work in a "worker's paradise".
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>>77050636>$1/calorie
>>77050664You are dumber than a box of rocks holy shit. The soviet leader who went to an american grocery store literally decided to go back and end socialism in his country. The absolute abundance of goods and options that capitalism creates made him do a 180 on his entire worldview. Im not saying there are not areas where you want state involvement but you picked one of the absolute worst examples for the need for socialism. You could not possibly be stupider
>>77052757What is the point of this post?
>>77050664People are shitting on you when they could instead get a very cheap copy of the Marx-Engels Reader (or hell, pirate it) and learn everything they need to. Too many fagtards on this board who don't want to learn.
>>77050664how do you have robust social systems with unfettered immigration?
>>77050664>Or when companies have captured entire segments like mobile telephone service being owned by 3 companies or agricultural seeds/fertilizers owned by 4 companiesYea because all of it owned by the government would be better....you fucking retard
>>77053871>>77053871
>>77053857>The absolute abundance of goods and options that capitalism creates made him do a 180 on his entire worldview.Options ? everything in a supermarket is made of the same ~8 staple foods in varying ratios.In that image, he is looking at ice cream and frozen popsicles.That's just milk and sugar in that entire freezer, all the exact same staples just in different colored boxes.
>>77054192Rangeban schizophrenics.
>>77054217Capitalism operates under the premise of supply and demand. So you're actually undercutting what you're arguing against by positing the fact that everything is just eight different ingredients in various combinations. Only under a capitalist scheme could this occur because people have varying preferences due to cultural, personal and genetic influence. Sure, popsicles, ice cream bars, and the tubs of ice cream and sherbert might be made of the same thing. But if your argument holds true, and they are all just varying different amounts, It wouldn't be economically feasible to keep producing them, but it is because people have different tastes and they may prefer one brand of ice cream over another or one kind of chocolate over another, even if the ingredients are the exact same. People demand products at cater to their tastes, and since a corporation provides that, they are rewarded monetarily. This obviously applies to things other than food as well, such as cars, houses, clothing, etc.
>>77054467do options magically appear when there is demand? or do companies see the demand and choose to fulfill it? why could the government not do the same? profit is not the only motive that exists. why did the soviet state produce things like ice cream at all, when they are strictly unnecessary? could not a democratic non-capitalist system simply vote for flavors?
>>77054231Gangstalk schizophrenics.
>>77054486You haven't addressed anything that I said, You've simply posited alternative mechanisms for the same end result - which never happened in reality. "Why couldn't X" is not a legitimate position. That don't ever bear out in reality are not true hypotheticals when they're based around a social science.
>>77054493>only under a capitalist scheme could this occurif you refuse to consider "alternative mechanisms", of course that has to be the casetoo bad american capitalism and soviet communism circa the cold war are the only two systems that ever have and ever could existyou'd think someone would try to meet the "demand" for another option lol
>>77054523I don't know why you keep replying if you don't ever address the points that are made, which have all been accurate so far. Sure, it's possible that all the world's billionaires could give up their money, distribute it amongst the people, cure world hunger, and then end their lives under euthanasia, and give away their organs to people who need it. It's entirely possible, but it's not probable because under the social purview of how man operates, it's infeasible. You're asking, why don't governments do the same thing that capitalist societies do? And it's because it's not in the nature of how governments operate. Could a government hold elections for flavors of ice cream and then develop and produce 450 different brands of ice cream each catering to the taste of its citizens? Sure, it's entirely possible, but it will absolutely never happen. I've outlined the mechanistic properties for why there is an abundance and variety of foods in counter to your claim that they are all just a combination of the same ingredients, And in response, you have simply formulated extremely improbable what-if scenarios, with no practical mechanism for which they could be implemented.
>>77054533https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Staple_food~10 foods at max and that's pushing it to eat for caloric density, where is the variety, doesn't matter what country you are in, this is all that's available.
>>77054562This discussion is over. You've addressed nothing I've said and you provided no constructive argument for your position.
>>77054533also>>77054217>>77054562is me, the other person jumped in.
>>77053894You known people can understand your shithole retard ideology and realize it's wrong, right? The egotistical delusion that people just don't know enough about your precious perfect system and that's why they aren't good bootlicking commutards is as old as communism itself.
>>77050647America is the land of paypigs and inflation.They're always bragging about how they make over 100k a year while europoor doctors earn maybe 60k at most.But they fail to mention how a supermarket salad costs like $15 in muttland and it's full of garbage.
>>77054533It's not hard. A government can do market research just as a corporation can. Also democratic choice wouldn't need a big scheduled national vote. Local markets/depots are going to give feedback to the suppliers/manufacturers anyway on what's in demand, they can ask the people who frequent them to weigh in on what they want (cooperatives do this sort of thing already). M&Ms and Lays and other companies have done votes on flavors before under capitalism, was that absurd?
>>77054782>can do>what if>its possibleI get it. You're not even reading my posts and you're just repeating the same thing over and over. It doesn't happen. It's not going to happen. Stop responding to me so I don't have to hide your posts and manage filters.
>>77054786If you want to say "this is the only way it can happen", don't piss yourself when people explain other ways. You could have said it's the only way it HAS happened, but that doesn't really prove that system is the only way to do it.
>>77054759>You known people can understand your shithole retard ideology and realize it's wrong, right?You probably don't even know how to read, so yeah, chances are you DON'T understand it. Fagtron
>>77054796He is suffering from a very bad case of is-ought and doesn't know how to imagine things that haven't happened yet.
>>77050636Fruit is basically candy and yet people act like it is diet food.
>>77055139People who say this never post body and yet they act superior
>>77050664are you saying goyslop should be price controlled?food is more affordable in the us than literally anywhere else on earthyou can go and buy grain and vegetables for centseven meat is cheap as fuck
>>77055145Fruit is full of sugar. It's poisonous.
>>77055157Thanks for proving my point
>>77050670all for free in me forest, lad
