I meant soldier not slave lol

Someone from /his/ can chime in. I think Roman soldiers used to carry heavy-ish armor for several miles every day at a not so slow pace and then dig trenches for their encampment. They were pretty short but durable.
Maybe you could compare a modern special ops soldier to a gymgoer. He would mog the latter in everything but raw one max squat-DL-bench.

>>77096370
jen is this really u??

>>77096398
Who the FUCK is jen you stupid serbian

>>77096370
"mog" meaning what? Beat them in a fight? Look prettier? Lift more weight?

The average slob gym goer isn't going to be doing any of that. Even a trained gymbro is only going to win on non-functional lifts like bench press. The purpose of the gym is to simulate the exercise those men would have gotten every day.

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Renaissance and Medieval Englishmen MOGGED /fit/cels
From the account of Emmanual Van Meteren,
>"The people are not so laborious and industrious as the Netherlanders or French, as they lead for the most part an indolent life...They keep many lazy servants, and also many wild animals for their pleasure, rather than trouble themselves to cultivate the land...The people are bold, courgaeous, ardent and cruel in war, fiery in attack and having little fear of death; they are not vindictive, but very inconstant, vainglorious, light and deceiving, and very suspicious, especially of foreigners, whom they despise."
From the Chronicle of Dominic Mancini
>The matter in hand prompts me to say a few words about the equipment of the English soldiery. There is hardly any without a helmet, and none without bows and arrows; their bows and arrows are thicker and longer than those used by other nations, just as their bodies are stronger than other peoples', for they seem to have hands and arms of iron. The range of their bows is no less than that of our arbalests; there hangs by the side of each a sword no less long than ours, but heavy and thick as well.
From Harrison's description of England, written in 1577
>Seldome shall you see anie of my countriemen aboue eighteene or twentie years old to go without a dagger at the least at his backe or by his side. . . . Our nobilitie weare commonlie swoords or rapiers with their daggers, as doth serving man also that followeth his lord and master. Some desperate cutters we have in like sort, which carrie two daggers or two rapiers in a sheath alwaies about them, wherewith in everie dronken fraie they are knowen to worke much mischiefe; their swords and daggers also are of great length, and longer than the like used in any other countrie, whereby ech one pretendeth to have the more advantage of his enimie

>>77096370
Bowmen were probably the strongest considering they had normal weapons handling training + needed draw power training
Apparently draw weight of ancient bows is like 30-60kg at most, if you can row 2pl8 or facepull 50kg with one hand you mog most of the ancient world since bowmen were rarer as slinging was faster and more reliable

>>77096404
Overall strength and muscle size

>>77096370
The average person today is way bigger and stronger than the vast majority of people who lived in agrarian civilizations before 1900 or so. Everyone was small and malnourished surviving off of grain. You'd have to go back like 6000 years or more to find humans comparable to people alive today. Hunter gatherers would have been stronger than the average modern human yes. Not gymgoers though.

>>77096370

My Great Gran worked in a factory in WW2 using an industrial lathe, one day it jammed and when she went to fix it, it bent 3 of her fingers backward. She had children at home waiting so she just left work went home, and until she died she had 3 crooked fingers.

The point of my story is that just your grandparents who grew up without modern conveniences were built so much fucking tougher than you, and they at least knew penicillin and electricity. A Roman legionaire would be unfathomably tough compared to most of you who bitch when they dont have AC for 20 minutes in the Summer.

Personally I've always felt like I dont belong in this time. Ive always tanked pain like nobody's business, hate that the world is filled with litigious faggots who talk shit till they get hit, then threaten to sue, I think women have far too many rights for the little they do. So yes I think for a very distinctly hard few they could go back in time and simply fit in, but most of you are pussies who would not survive, and the distinct few who would fit in, would be just that fitting in, youre not mogging niggas like Marc Anthony.

The soldier from the past was probably “stronger” overall but their lifts would be shit. All you’re doing when you lift weights is train that specific movement. That’s why compounds are better in general and why something like pull ups are great.

>>77096424
>Personally I've always felt like I dont belong in this time
This is your time to shine. Neoconservative bullshit and "anti-woke" retardedness are on the rise.

>>77096407
Longbowmen trained from childhood to draw the string. Imagine the tendon power. They would mog everyone today pound-for-pound

>>77096424
You mean stupid and naive? I'm plenty tough but I'm not risking life and limb to fix a dangerous machine so Mr. Factoryberg can make his shekels selling war supplies in some pointless war.

>>77096441

>>77096414
Hoplites and the better armed units were mostly nobilty, wouldnt they be stronger than modern humans since they had better quality food and access to game ?

>>77096449
Nobility maybe. OP's question was about Roman slaves. No way in hell is a slave living off nothing but bread stronger than the average person today eating whatever they want

>>77096458
no it was a massive typo kek >>77096372

>>77096436
Gay

>>77096436
Youre a funny guy anon.

>>77096441
I think youre a little confused my friend. My great gran was from the North of England. All the "Shekelburgs" as you call them were away at Camp at the time (hell of a time for a vacay i know). People did stuff back then for the greater collective, her husband was away at war against the Nazi menace, working in a factory to make munitions was her way of getting on the team and pitching in. Of course it was stupid, but she had responsibilities, and most poor people suffered in silence back then. This also is why you wouldnt fit in anon, people used to have civic pride and national pride and would engage in utilitarianism for the greater good.

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>>77096499
I think anon means that Shekelburg is a disposition toward profit and exploitation, not a racial characteristic. Before the war the local Shekelburg used poor people to maximize his profit and before that even children. For the greater good of course

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>>77096526
>profit is bad
literal medieval peasant mindset. Mysteriously when the profit motive was further incentivized culturally and institutionally, wealth and quality of life for everyone increased.
>work is exploitation
Are you a freshman in college and/or a woman?

>>77096590
Technology and worker's rights movements were responsible for the increase though.

>>77096414
>>77096435
>>77096397
>>77096370
You're coping. They were far stronger. They would probably "lift" less in the compounds, but their bones and isometric low-rom strength were on a different level:
>On their way, they arrived at a place where a large tree was cut down to craft the mast of a viking longship called the 'Ormrinn langi'. The Earl who wanted to see how many men it would require to carry the mast, ordered 60 men including Orm to go under and hold it on their shoulders.
>While Orm remained in the centre, all other men were withdrawn until Orm held it all by himself as he walked three steps with it.
>It is said that he was never the same again after this feat,

Only Hafthor has replicated this. The other World's Strongest Men could not:
>In 2019, as a part of the History Channel television series The Strongest Man in History, Brian Shaw, Eddie Hall, Robert Oberst and Nick Best attempted to lift a 657.5 kg (1,450 lb) ship mast.
>Neither Shaw, Hall nor Oberst managed to budge it while Nick Best managed to momentarily hold it for half a second but failed to move it even for a single step.
Keep in mind the average viking was what, 5'9"? 5'10"? I don't know how old the sagas are so they might've been taller in that time, but Orm, pound for pound, is one of the strongest in history. He almost certainly weighed less than ~250 lbs, especially since soldiers are expected to row and march for hours.

Granted, Orm broke his back to perform this feat, I doubt any of the WSM were willing to injure themselves permanently on a lift they could train to make far safer and easier.

>>77096808
Hafthor's father who doesn't even train vs. him:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3uqDFk5M18c
Won 3/5 grip strength contests and was not far off in the other 2/5. Untrained, probably more than 100 lbs lighter than Hafthor.

Now imagine somebody from centuries ago, no cars, no modern comforts, nothing fun to do besides lifting rocks and getting drunk, farming constantly, and having to fight for his life in war.

>>77096370
Jon Jones is unironically the most powerful human in history. It's a hard pill to swallow, but it's the truth.

>>77097412
Jones himself wanted 30 million to fight Ngannou, and was scared of Tom Aspinall.

If we're talking about fighting with swords and spears, the top boxers would be far better.

This is unironically the laborer vs lifter argument that goes around reddit. Check out your average construction site full of 5'0" Latinos to get an idea of what ancient dudes were like - tough as shit, endurance out the wazoo, well coordinated which makes them able to handle more weight at certain practiced tasks, but only strong up to a point. Gym muscles are going to be stonger every time, and 80% of that coordination and endurance is a few weeks on a jobsite away for anyone that isn't crippled.

>>77096370
>perfectly nourished since birth gym goer with training based on scientific method and modern medicine massively reducing (average) strain on body
vs
>soldier who does a few "hard" things excessively and believes in about every superstition some granny told them once
it's not even a competition
and even if it were
like the Olympics where there are actually numbers regarding certain competition from 1000y+ ago, you can clearly compare how todays records completely crush ancient ones

i think the closest to todays total strength are
>knights
which actually engaged in sportive competition (some tournaments were less martial / fighting focused)
and as (lower) nobility usually had the means to eat well and spend all their time training
and if you compare "records" from back then, they are usually at the amateur level of today

maybe some farmers and fishermen / sailors had impressive functional strength in some aspects
as they had access to high quality food as well
but total strength is probably a lot lower

>>77097632
There's much more than muscles in strength. Tendons like steel wires, string fascia, dense sturdy bones from years of labor. They're a few weeks of overfeeding and strength training away from mogging a gymcel

>In 427 BC, the Greek city-state of Athens crushed a revolt in Mytilene on the Aegean island of Lesbos. The Athenian assembly decided that all men in Mytilene should be killed in punishment and dispatched the order by the fastest means it knew – a trireme, the classic oared warship of the ancient Mediterranean. The next day, the assembly relented and sent a second trireme to call off the massacre. Mytilene was 340 kilometres away and the first ship had a day-and-a-half start – but by rowing non-stop for 24 hours, the crew of the second ship arrived in time to stop the slaughter. Modern crews who tried to match this feat in a reconstructed trireme have never come close. Were ancient Athenian oarsmen supermen?
Mogged

>>77097642
I did say 80%, lol. A gym goer isn't starting from zero, either. And you've got it backwards - no day laborer is going to double his bench press in a few weeks. The gym goer is a lot closer to the laborer's level than the laborer is to the gym goer's.

This isn't "trust me bro" talking. I've been both sides of this coin for decades.

>>77097711
>The gym goer is a lot closer to the laborer's level than the laborer is to the gym goer's.
Just in terms of pure 1RM (concentric full-ROM) and being able to do daily tasks, sure.

But in terms of grip and tendon strength, laborer has a MASSIVE head start.
Examples are best in armwrestling because they push isometric, partial ROM strength instead of full ROM.
>Larry Wheels: records in multiple weight classes, trained for more than a decade in lifting, started roids very early. Got into armwrestling and trained for a year with Devon, Levan, and other armwrestling champions.
>Mogged by
>Khaled Jashell: random mechanic from Africa. Hates armwrestling to the point that despite being considered the most freakish talent that is virtually guaranteed to be top 5 with training, becomes a garbage MMA fighter and Andrew Tate's bodyguard instead.

>Kirill Sarychev: +700 lb bench. Started powerlifting at 15. 6'6". Able to do pullups at +350 lbs with clean form, better than virtually all strongman.
>Mogged by:
>Also Khaled Jashell (indirectly)

>Andrey Smaev: +700 lb (total weight) pullup. World-record iron cross, gymnastics move that was thought to only be possible for 5'5" gymnasts that weighed 160 lbs or less. Can do one-arm pullups at 300 lbs. Can close the CoC #3 with only 3 fingers, most powerlifters can't close it with all 4.
>Mogged by:
>Also Khaled Jashell

>Brian Shaw: One of the greatest strongman of all time, won WSM 4x. Retired only recently at 2023, winning the SMOE. Formerly held world record for 100m Rowing without training. Has the record for the Bale Tote: carrying 1,565 lbs across four meters. Best arm-over-arm rope pull in strongman, due to a combination of extremely strong grip, back, and arms. One of the strongest grips in the world. Probably around 2nd strongest in strongman.
>Mogged by
>Filipp Larsson: mid powerlifter, unknown strongman, did construction and rigging for 5 years.

>>77097809
I dont follow armwrestling, can anybody who does confirm this is actually true or bullshit?

>>77097815
It doesn't matter if it's true. He's the usual gym strength denier that thinks farmers are super heroes and muscles made indoors aren't real for whatever reason. Never worked a day in his life, I'm sure.

>>77096499
Unc got lost on his way to Facebook and accidentally posted on 4chan

>>77096370
Sense tells me that people in the past were small and probably weak both from less food but predominantly from placing no social value on looksmaxxing and lifting. They were mostly farmers but despite cope memes labor jobs don’t actually make you strong.

Then against that I’ve always wondered how depictions of gods and heroes always had them as anatomically correct roid tier. So maybe there’s a lot to be said about the higher tesosterone levels of the past.

>>77097815
The arab is stating some random laborer brownoid beats everyone at all lifts and is the world arm wrestling champion but is so good he doesn’t do it professionally.

Of course it’s brown rubbish.

>>77097632
Old time laborers sure, they only worked 20hrs a week. Modern labor wagies break their backs hustling in the heat for Boomer McWageberg for pennies. You'll be skinny, joint pain and poor and that's without the drinking and drugs

t. Been there done that, minus the joint pain

>>77096370
Genetically we are weaker. So genotypically weaker.
Phentoypically or rather expressed phenotype, or environmental factors at work, we are stronger.
A Roman or Greek slave might be more capable of endurance.
A Greek athlete might be better. Probably much better. Consider that many Greek records stood for over a century after the Olympics were legalized, and some records still stand.
The Greeks were a race of no more than 300,000 and they produced such records as 8 billion can rarely if not barely surpass.
If the Greeks (the Nordic ones) numbered 150 million they’d dominate every physical activity with ease.

>>77098703
>the Greeks (the Nordic ones)
Back to >>>/pol/

>>77096370
>Could you travel to the past and easily mog 99% of the men and steal their women?
Well, they had 9999% more testosterone than you, if you trained MMA/BJJ you probably could mog them one at a time in a fight

>>77096499
Goyim.
Factorystein laughed his way to the bank selling armaments for the great brother war.
If you were half as tough as your grandmother you’d enter a nursing war and strangle as many paki babes as you could before jumping out a window and sprinting down the street away from the Bobbies.
If I were in the UK in Minecraft I’d go out like Helm Hammerhand and murder every shitskin rapist I came across, baring a seax and the strength of my arm.
I’d say more but I’m close to getting vanned anyway for what I’ve already said about the Floridian nigger Shitwood

>>77098771
You wouldnt do shit

>>77097412
Average Greek would flatten that congoloid with one fell blow before tearing that bucks ass open like Zeus blasting the gates of Tartarus.
I don’t hate niggers (Ye is alright) but this nigger worship has gone too far.
There’s a reason we laid out their entire race and ever after they were beneath us living by our mercy.

>>77098773
Life happens when you’re grabbed by a SWAT team.
I want a rap sheet longer than Peipers and more sinister than Dirlewanger’s, I want a great and terrible end fighting for the homeland.
I have no family and few friends. Why shouldn’t I live like an outlaw in this twilight of our people?

>>77097641
>Knights
Pretty much any semi-advanced civilization had their warrior nobility that trained in heavy armor, this is an entire class of people that existed in literally every society because if it didn't the neighbors would do it and kill and rape and enslave everyone. They'd mog any average gym person today, their life was on the line for it.
>Fishermen, sailors, farmers
Depends on the time period heavily.

>>77098121
>probably weak both from less food but predominantly from placing no social value on looksmaxxing and lifting
They placed more value on looks back then than we did today, it was a way to show social status and men would be obsessive over the quality of their clothes and pretty much anything else.
When you can't go to walmart and just buy whatever clothing you want having some clothing that looks good is something you have to work hard for, and they'd mend their clothes, put much more percentage-wise of their money towards said clothes, be aware of the typical hairstyles that were in fashion, ect.

They probably didn't know as much about bodyfat composition and the like, but they did place high value on looks as a way to show you weren't poor and retarded, social status was much more important in the past and you just outright couldn't go to certain churches if you didn't have money.

There are men that strong today, but they're all in jail because the cops don't like it when someone is stronger than them. When you're bigger, faster, or better-looking than the cops, they will make shit up to arrest you. Picture the cops are like a football team, except it's a lie and they don't play football. They conspire to hoard the women. That's what cops do.

>>77097412
He lost to dominick reyes

>>77098867
Actually true btw, its why they literally work with rape gangs

>>77097860
>He's the usual gym strength denier that thinks farmers are super heroes and muscles made indoors aren't real
Not at all. When did I say that? I said gym guys have higher and harder to get 1 RM, but concentric strength =/= isometric strength.
Bill Kazmaier was a lumberjack, Brian Shaw was a farmer, Cleve Dean was a pig farmer, Levan Saginashvili was a bricklayer, John Haack was a farmer.

Did they get all or most of their strength from manual labor?
No, but having that base made them a lot more resilient and set the foundation for them being some of the strongest on earth.

>>77098129
>some random laborer brownoid beats everyone at all lifts and is the world arm wrestling champion
>"considered the most freakish talent that is virtually guaranteed to be top 5 with training"
Yeah you're retarded.
>Of course it’s brown rubbish.
Whites are probably stronger naturally but modern laborers are not going to be working as hard and as heavy as ones in shitholes.

Francis Ngannou was a sand miner, Alex Pereira was working since 12 at a tire shop hammering tires—you can't get that background and that amount of hours working in a white country.

>>77096370
They'd fuck you up if that's what you're asking. Experience is a hell of a teacher.

Physically I'd expect they probably had lower end average mile times, and lift numbers. Higher than untrained but not staggeringly high. I'd guess they'd probably have more type1 muscle fiber development and maybe more neuromuscular effeciency than the average gym rat.

>>77098909
All under Marc Dutroux and Epstein. Those guys are under Rockefellers, and they're probably under somebody or something even bigger.

It's not just an America thing.

Eyes Wide Shut, Ready or Not, Squid Game, Animan are all real.

>>77096808
This just in:
Lying wasn't invented until the late 1900s.
People never e-statt'd back before then, as the concept of "embellishing" did not exist.

>>77098917
>"embellishing" did not exist.
It's not improbable they were lying.

But look up Australian hunter-gatherer T8, David Bleak, and Lachhimann Gurung. Officially recorded.

>>77098929
I looked up Lachhimann Gurung and found no feats of strength, just a detailed battle account...which are notoriously susceptible to being turned into propaganda pieces. I consider his story to be similar to the "Ghost of Kyiv". I did not find anything on T8, and saw David Bleak was a similar war hero so didn't bother reading it.
I was deployed during OEF/OIF. Combat is a lot less glorious than the movies and these cute stories would lead you to believe. Just my two cents.

>>77096370
They were like 5'5 150lbs. Some random guy that's done ppl for a couple of years would mog the shit out of them.

>>77098936
Appreciate you looking it up, Lachhimann had no feats unlike the others.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jBJnzLIm5xQ
David Bleak is just an example of hysterical strength, he crushed people's skulls with his bare hands.
>This time, instead of going right for the soldier who was shot, he rushed the Chinese-held trench firing upon enemy soldiers along the way.
>Spotting another, Bleak grabbed the man by his neck and crushed his windpipe.
>As he carried his man back to friendly lines, two enemy soldiers stopped him with rifles drawn.
>Bleak suddenly sprang on his would-be captors, smashing their heads together with so much force that it cracked both of their skulls.

https://www.standardmedia.co.ke/article/2000107489/mans-skull-caves-in-after-a-single-punch-from-bouncer

>notoriously susceptible to being turned into propaganda pieces.
Fair enough. T8 was not a soldier, just a random abo.
>Steve Webb, a biological archaeologist with Bond University in Queensland, explained to National Geographic that he “calculates that one hunter was running at 37 kilometers an hour, or as fast as an Olympic sprinter”.
>Indeed, the current world record for the 100 meters is Usain Bolt’s 9.58 seconds.
>This is a speed of 37.6 kilometers an hour… On a track. This ancient hunter was running in the mud.
>But this measure only comes from one print, and is misleading. A sprinter will sometimes go much faster than the world record during a few instants. An article in the August 1996 Sports Illustrated, mentioned that the Canadian sprinter Donovan Bailey reached a speed of 43.6 km/hr at the 60-meter mark of his world record breaking race.
Like the 1v200 of Lachhimann Gurung, he didn't really kill them all, he was in a very advantageous position, etc. Still impressive.

>>77098945
>smashing their heads together with so much force that it cracked both of their skulls.
bone on bone is a lot easier to break that you realize. I don't consider that to be a herculean feat of strength, and I personally believe you yourself are capable of it too given the proper circumstances (unless you're insanely weak). also, the word "cracked" is vague. Cracked 100% clean through to the brain leaving his skull looking like a bowl of corn flakes? Or a small fracture that barely is visible? Both are technically "cracked", but the extent of the damage is what's concealed by the language.
Consider the recent ICE shooting with Renee Good and that ICE officer. News story says the ICE officer had internal bleeding. But you know who else had internal bleeding? Me, when I accidentally bashed my head on my garage door (not trying to make this a political thing, just attempting to show how misleading language can be).

I found some info on T8, and the writer of the article put out a good point:
"But this measure only comes from one print, and is misleading. A sprinter will sometimes go much faster than the world record during a few instants. An article in the August 1996 Sports Illustrated, mentioned that the Canadian sprinter Donovan Bailey reached a speed of 43.6 km/hr at the 60-meter mark of his world record breaking race."
https://pacificans.com/does-this-20000-years-old-footprint-belong-to-the-fastest-man-in-history/

I have no doubt humans were, on average, more capable than the average human of today (sedentary lifestyles and all that) but just about anyone taking a small amount of PEDs has a far higher athletic ceiling than anyone in ancient history would be capable of (neanderthals probably being the exception due to bone density differences).

>>77098822
I've heard that noble knights (or aristocratic knights) would wear armor of higher quality and lighter weight, while only common knights (or non-noble knights) had to wear heavy, crude armor

>>77098822
>Pretty much any semi-advanced civilization had their warrior nobility
true
but I'm a kraut and know a LOT about the German middle ages history, so that's my reference point...

one advantage
there's a lot of physical 1st and 2nd hand documentation here
so people actually wrote down the rules of those tournaments and results, so you can directly compare that to modern sports events
and even though other regions in the world had "warrior" nobility as well, documentation is often lacking because it isn't as well preserved as in central / western / southern Europe

>Depends on the time period heavily.
post agricultural and pre industrial revolution that should mostly hold true
also depends a little on the region and state of domestication of animals

>>77099220
>noble knights (or aristocratic knights) would wear armor of higher quality and lighter weight,
>while only common knights (or non-noble knights) had to wear heavy, crude armor
yes gigantic quality difference
the one you referring to is
>lower quality steel with slag inclusions, thus needed to be thicker for the same protection
vs
>homogeneous, high carbon forged and extensively hardened steel that could be very thin

other differences are weight distribution
for "tailored" ones the weight distributes evenly
for "off the shelf" ones most weight often was on the shoulders and they were generally a little heavier
some if it part due to high end ones having (labor intensive) fluting (so same stability with less weight) in the late middle ages

freedom of movement differed also a lot
the little sliding panels you often see at the Poleyn or Pauldron were actually the high quality / expensive version
cheaper armour would expose gaps if you moved or just had double panels at many joints

>>77099311
They perfected plate armor exactly when guns made it obsolete so it was barely used for its intended purpose.

Reminder the joe average greek sailor rowed at olympic rower speeds. Ancient aryan man was infinitely stronger than anything you could possibly imagine

>>77096370
>average gymgoer
>average
neither stronger than those roman soldiers, nor more skilled at fighting probably, kek

>>77099727
>>77099694
>>77098961
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MXcJAo32N4U

>>77096370
>>77096372
Average gymbro proabably mogs the average legionary in compound lifts
Gymbros would get destroyed in a cardio competition however
They spent crazy amounts of time marching and they ate whatever when they could, plus raw strenght isn't really usefull in battle, it's more about technique/tactics, better equipment and bigger numbers
A malnurished 5'6'' antique manlet with untreated measles will probably still kill you in a sword duel

>>77097632
this is the most on point post in this dumb thread filled with retards romanticizing the past
there are people today living the same (or even more) strenuous lifestyle as people before the industrial revolutions AND they're well fed and protected from immediate health risk and they're absolutely nothing special, good at their trade, sometimes quite strong if they're big, can handle their tasks, but nothing beyond that, no superpowers, no deathmogging gymcells, no attributes that transfer to every physical domain
now imagine you have to do the same shit but underfed and exposed to illness that might leave you malnourished - you're not a mogger, just scraping by is hard enough of a task and you rely on the collective

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How does an average /fit/izen compare to an ancient Greek in gayness?

>>77096370
The average gymgoer trains like trash so it's not really a good comparison. Any intermediate lifter would be stronger than 99,9% of people from the past though, as they most definitely didn't train for strength specifically, even if they were more active or "healthier" overall

>>77103036
>>77101506
Did you watch this video: >>77101184
You can roid and it wouldn't matter.

>>77097632
The trick is to be both a tradie and a gym goer.

>>77098698
This is a fair point, you need to get into a leader position as you age or you're fucked, and not all can become leaders. Not drinking or doing drugs and not becoming obese helps too ofc.

>>77097809
>>77097815
>Khaled Jashell: random mechanic from Africa
are we forgetting the part where this "random mechanic" trained grip sports to an elite level before entering arm wrestling?

If you shook hands with an ancient roman your bones would probably break,

>>77103454
Grip Alawadhi sponsored him and trained him after discovering his armwrestling talent.

>>77096808
>>It is said that he was never the same again after this feat,
the original ego lifter

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>>77096424
Based.

>>77096370
>Could you travel to the past and easily mog 99% of the men and steal their women?
No.

People now have much more muscle mass because they train with higher volume (Single sets were the norm until like 1945), but more muscle mass wasn't considered more attractive in older times.
Add to that that the modern male personality is extremely feminine (Stoic, peaceful, no fun allowed), which was also considered unattractive.

Sorry you have to hear it from me but modern people would consider that vast majority of western white males from antiquity to the 1980s nigger-tier, and would be considered super fruity by them.

Fun fact: Modern lifters can't even compare with 1900s laborers. You don't need to go as far back as antiquity.

Maybe someone has the WW1 recruit deadlift numbers.

>>77105840
Closest thing I found was civil war draftees averaging 330lb deadlift equivalent on a "dynamometer".
Average freak off the street doing 3 plate diddlies is insane. The west has truly fallen

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>>77096406
Mate I'd slap the fuck out of medieval midgets
t. Saxon

>>77105836
Also women back then were taught to have shame and that being a monkeybranching slut wasn't void of consequences, so many would outright refuse to cuck their husbands just because they learned it wasn't right so they could supress their female monkey mating instincts even if they thought they could get away with it.
>but women cheated and monkeybranched back then too
To a much, much lesser extent. Some women are just naturally turbo sloots; others had such lame and awful husbands they couldn't divorce that you can almost forgive them for cheating.
But even among the ones who had the opportunity to cheat and/or monkeybranch with no apparent consequence, the majority of those married to half decent men just wouldn't, unlike now.

Women mating instincts in 2026 operate as if they were on cocaine, with extreme incentives to just "enjoy the moment" (be a turbo slut) and a huge societal effort to shield them from consequence - France will go as far as putting betrayed husbands IN JAIL for daring to DNA test the kid who looks an awful lot like her coworker.
This level of enviromental incentive to women's natural hypergamy/sluttiness/disloyalty isn't quite natural, and has no precedent in history except for small niches among nobility, who have always been degenerates.

>>77096424
Choosing to not get your fingers fixed doesn't make you tough it just makes you retarded.

>>77096406
>From the account of Emmanual Van Meteren,
Literally no physical description
>From the Chronicle of Dominic Mancini
Yeah, longbowmen were strong and really good at shooting bows. That’s common knowledge. They were also very specialized troops and hardly average. Essentially all they did was back exercises all the time.
>From Harrison's description of England, written in 1577
Literally no physical description

Why did you bother to post this?