I have permanent flaky brown dandruff and hair breakage everywhere. My hair is thin. Is there anything I can do if shampoos like Nizoral aren't doing much but further thinning my hair?
I wonder if something like galeoromies would work to prevent hair loss early on. The cranium and splanchocranium (facial bone complex) seems to spread hairline from face. The scalp can't keep up with the growing make skull (especially at the corners of the hairline.)If you are valding via Norwood pattern, then it's likely structural, if your diffusely balding on the back (vertex) is more biochemical.
>>77099205My temples look awful from the side, but my hairline is fine from the front. Anyone else like this?
>>77099217Front view.
>>77099217Your hair health looks fine but as you can see from the temples you can see that the hairs are spread out over a larger surface area. Think of yourself as having the same scale coverage as when you were pubescent. The make skull contains 15%+ larger brain size than women after puberty so it tries to cover it. Most tension is at the front and the thin sides show exactly that. It's structural. Your hair looks healthy but you don't like the bald spots. Increasing scalp elasticity by loosening connective tissue might help or you can take some jew drugs like fin or min (might help bring "baby hairs" in the existing Norwood pattern.)
>>77099330I've always had this thing. Pic related is from 2012-ish.
>>77099341The hair restoration discourse seldom talks about skull shap but you can see that there are tension spots "pulling" at the corner/temple. Facial and frontal bone down growth brings down some of the forehead with it, suffocating temple hair while spreading it until it miniaturized (further vulnerability to DHT?)Looking at your rear head shape you have a slight boxy shape. The least tension would be help at the back of the head (where it feels rhomboidal in shape.) By nature of the boxy head it's going to take much of the surface area of your scalp. It represents your basal position of your skull (since prepubescence) the face actually migrates away from the scalp. You can even see that the face follows the downward slope. Women's smaller brain limits their skull growth which helps reduce outgrowing their own scalps. Your hair density looks pretty good (likely nutritionally sufficient) but it's the shape of the pattern that you don't like. A hair transplant can help the front but sides and corners can be finicky (I've had some transplants there.) there are still different methods to try, like tension release in the back. I've been looking at scalp massage services but their pricey, if you can get a friend or family member or (a gf?) to help loosen the scalp with vigorous or even "crunchy" scrunching you might get a couple or even a few mm. If you habitually have a tight forehead (squinting habit?) you can try Botox as a relaxer. I haven't tried the last two option though so idk, I've only had fin/min and transplants. It's a shame we have space rockets and yet we're still stuck with this stone age bullshit.
>>77099368Yeah, no. I'm not getting a hair transplant for a hairline I've had for the last 15 years.
>>77099381What are you looking to fix, shinier hair?
>start fin+min after puberty and before any signs of balding, early signs at the latest>stay on it until death>microneedle if you really feel like it, won't do much but knock yourself off>get a transplant if the hairline creeps too far back>eat well, sleep well, don't suffer from any nutritional deficencies, don't be on drugsThere's nothing more to be said. Inb4 the bitchtits fatty schizo comes in to ramble about singlet oxygen and other irrelevant small scale studies he dedicated all his free time to misinterpreting.
>>77099414There is still more to be said, the miracle drug that will come in two more weeks.
>>77099208mct moisturiser maybe, also try washing hair once a week if you are doing it super frequently
>>77099409I just need to know if I should be worried about going bald.
>>77099431Hairline looks like it's holding strong but the triangle that are your sides will definitely blunt in the next 10 years. Top of your head is doing the heavy work and it's not too far from your eyebrows. Low risk for 5head.
>>77099442Eh. The top's what I need anyway. I'll rely on fin if I have to.
>>77099424I’m going to be honest, if PP405 comes out and it doesn’t work after I try it myself, I’m just going to shave my shit off. I have no libido and a floppy dick on fin, it’s not worth it for me.Thinking about splicing my dna with a mouse so I can grow my hair back.
>>77099504Be careful coming out of fin. Look up moral medicine YouTube channel and the post finasteride sindrome sub reddit for anecdotes. It seems people get worse after coming out, maybe its best to taper off slowly, I don't know.
just started topical fin+min, should i get a dermaroller? are they worth it?
>>77099592>Look up moral medicine YouTube channel>look it up>it's not a medicine channel, no MDs involved>first video is some dude who is clearly on roids suffering from self-reported psychological issues>must be the fin, better keep taking roids tholol
>>77099592Getting off fin wasnt so bad, it getting on it that's the problem. I've been on and of a few times and I've narrowed it down to when I jump on fin, like holy shit, it can be a major depressant if you're a poor responder. Why tf do I have to be the 1% it happens to? It didn't even regrow or half recession of my native hair (luckily I had a preemptive hair transplant(s).)It must've nuked my neurosteroids but I at least rebounded each time. It's not for me.>>77099644Dermastamp might be better but don't press down to far, drawing blood isn't necessary. I've heard that 0.6 might be enough for thin skin. Consider the rumor that it might affect the pili muscle (no pili, no hair.)If you over do it, you might create fibrosis. The convention is that it's more of a vehicle for those topicals rather than trying to influence vascularity.
I've had horrible dandruff since puberty. Lately I've been using tea tree oil shampoo, descaling in the shower with a comb, and then apply a small amount of castor oil on my scalp. Results have been amazing, true relief. Also I take NAC every day to reduce inflammation. My scalp hasnt been this clean in over a decade and no more itching.
>>77099205Don't be a pussy, just get it over with and shave it off.
>>77099669You look like a cancer patient and your "advice" is terrible.
>>77099205Just don't be genetically defective. Balding problem solved
>>77099669>don't be a pussy, just do [insert a reversible, low stakes, zero effort, free non-solution]>I'm not gonna try fin though, they have a 1% risk of side effect and that's scarylmao
>>77099217similar for me. from the front it looks fine, from the side it looks disastrous
>>77099702t. 20-something retard
>>77099712There's a pretty easy solution to this problem - just fringe fraud. Honestly, I don't care anymore. Tons of women have worse hairlines and nobody seems to give a shit.
my hair was very fluffy and more blonde when I didnt use shampoo for 6 months. Dandruff didnt go away at all
>>77099504PP405 will be a ame duck, GT0029 will be the first significant progress since finasteride/dutasteride
all of you need to stop using shampoo and stop eating goyslop, simple as really
>>77099762>>77099824Yeah just smell bad with oily hair like a retard. Don't brush your teeth with toothpaste while you're at it, it's not like you're gonna kiss anyone anyway.
>>77099217whenever someone gets the "V" shape near their forehead like that, its time to hop on fin
>>77100240Bullshit. I had the "V" since I was 17. I'm 40 years old now and my hairline hasn't moved an inch.
>>77100216you are legitimately very low IQ if you cannot think for yourself on how to wash your hair without shampoo
>>77099504I was worried about the dick stuff and just shaved my shit
>>77100319Fuck off saladino you stinky jew.
>>77099217I am the same rn. It's norwood 2.
how 2 deal with dandruff
>>77099805>GT0029 will be the first significant progress since finasteride/dutasterideFake news, I already in2 50 chem topical tricho-chemo stack and doesn't afraid of anything...>polygonum multiflorum ethanol extract>angelica sinensis ethanol extract>salvia miltiorrhiza water extract>malva verticillata hexane extract>zingiber zerumbet ethanol extract>glycine max isoflavone extract>mulberry root CO2 extract oil>ecklonia cava ethanol extract>milk thistle ethanol extract>oryza sativa water extract>chuanxiong ethanol extract>chlorine dioxide solution>triamcinolone acetonide>raspberry water extract>licorice water extract>extra virgin olive oil>ephedra water extract>apple cider vinegar>mint water extract>piroctone olamine>2-deoxy-D-ribose>hyaluronic acid>ginseng extract>glycolic acid>singlet oxygen>hydrocortisone>ketoconazole>zinc sulfate>azelaic acid>latanoprost>phenol red>sesame oil>cetirizine>vitamin B3>vitamin B6>vitamin C>vitamin D3>vitamin E>adapalene>melatonin>bromelain>arginine>caffeine>turmeric>hemp oil>KX-826>coal tar>fisetin>DIM>NMNt. ex-min user
>>77099208Remove yeast from diet
>>77100351Mfs will do anything but get on fin lol
>>77100337t.cant think for himself so pours chemicals into his hair like a good goy and wonders why he has hair problemsLMAO
>>77099217>>77100341Wrong it's "Norwood 1"+weak anterior temple peak projection. "Norwood 2" would imply the actual corners of the frontotemporal gulfs of the "hairline zone" on the forehead have begun to recede>>77100351BRUH why not just take finasteride or dutasteride instead of all these supplements? You got to post hairline my ESL friend
>>77100365we've washed our hair for like a hundred thousand years though
>>77100398It's nw2, trust me dude he is just frauding in the front picture, I do the same so I know kek
>>77099205The only upcoming treatment I'm looking forward to is VDPHL01 and even that needs to be combined with a 5ar inhibitor and it can't reverse the destruction of the arrector pili muscle so pretty much pointless for dead zones.
>>77099414>microneedle if you really feel like it, won't do much but knock yourself offTretinoin is much better and safer.
>>77099504Just use a lower dose of fin or lower the frequency. I tolerate 1mg fin very very well but can't tolerate even the lowest dose of dut, for example.PP405 sounds like scam because what kind of metric is 20% improvement in 31% of patients? Just give haircounts like VDPHL01 and GT20029 do.
>>77099656>It must've nuked my neurosteroids but I at least rebounded each time.Finasteride doesn't even affect your neurosteroids to begin with unless you're a rat. Human 5ar type 1 enzymes are barely even affected by fin and even when fin binds it reversibly does so.
>>77100351Fisetin schizo will lose ALL of his hair and then some because he thought he knew better than everyone else but really he was an idiot.
>>77100422>somehow turns out 5-AR is literally the only hair-growth pathway that works despite what hundreds of different (((research teams))) around the world say
>>77100408His hair is literally pulled back in the front picture NOT ONLY THAT but the frontotemporal corners of the aforementioned hairline zone are mostly intact albeit slightly peeled back. NW1
>>77100440I mean potassium channel openers like minoxidil and whatever mechanism cyclosporin is using work as potent hair growth stimulants aswell. Even stuff like tretinoin can help a bit with hair growth. But nothing other than possibly GT20029 can currently ever hope to replace 5ar inhibitors for actually maintaining hair.
>>77100216lol you dont oil retard. the girl next to me in class liked touching my hair
>>77100404>with head'n'shoulders!
>>77100462>But nothing other than possibly GT20029 can currently ever hope to replace 5ar inhibitors for actually maintaining hair.lel, ack-shilly DKK-1 and CXCL-12 are the two main downstream hair goblins of DHT you can easily target, and EDA2R isn't touched by 5-ARIs and is really sort of an upstream target modulating DHT sensitivity.>t. reads trichology literature after 1997
>>77100443>His hair is literally pulled backYes but not all the way, that's the fraud you are falling for
>>77100470Fisetin schizo you may not understand but unlike you we are not rats.
>>77100470you are a knower it seems. how would you fix morbid seb derm hair breakage all over the scalp?
>>77100477He's a schizo who keeps spamming his meme pathways based on Indian rat studies. If you listen to him you're even more retarded than he is.
>>77100474>>77100483>muh 96% protein sequence conservation scoresUh, as far as those pathways are concerned, we're pretty much rats.>>77100477Rotating a bunch of OTC antifungals or dermatologist, lol.
>>77100484but otc antifungals alone make the breakage worse and dermatologists are clueless. you're not a knower then.
>>77100484>>muh 96% protein sequence conservation scoresHumans and bananas share 60% of their DNA.>Uh, as far as those pathways are concerned, we're pretty much rats.Speak for yourself. Rats as hair cycle models do not translate over to humans. First and foremost because rats have synchronized hair cycles and don't suffer from AGA.
>>77100491>Rats as hair cycle models do not translate over to humans. First and foremost because rats have synchronized hair cycles and don't suffer from AGA.And guess what? CXCL12 study on mice dropped claiming that they don't express it with the androgen receptors in their scalp:>Differential Expression of CXCL12 in Human and Mouse Hair: Androgens Induce CXCL12 in Human Dermal Papilla and Dermal Sheath Cup>https://www.mdpi.com/1422-0067/26/1/95If the same is true of rats, you've found an *essential* hair goblin protein right there.
>>77100477THIS IS WHAT WORKED FOR ME AND I BET IT WILL WORK FOR YOU TOO: GET C8 AND C10 ONLT MCT OIL (SO XCT OIL REALLY). NO C12 (LAURIC ACID), ONLT C8 AND C10!!! APLY THIS OIL ON YOUR SEBDERM PROBLEM AREAS BEFORE SHOWERING. MOST OF THE OIL WILL BE WASHED OF AND THAT'S OK, THE SMALL (ALMOST IMPERCEPTIBLE) AMOUNT OF OIL COMPLETELY GETS RID OF SEBDERM. DO THIS EVERYTIME YOU SHOWER. IN 2 TO 4 WEEKS YOUR SEBDERM WILL BE GONE. IF YOUR SEBDERM IS TOO STRONG YOU MAY NEED TO APLY THE OIL AFTER SHOWERING INSTEAD OF BEFORE SHOWERING. ONCE YOUR SEBDERM IS GONE, YOU MAY USE THE OIL ONLY ONCE A WEEK OR EVERY 2 WEEKS FOR MANTEINANCE.
>>77100499You just keep using it then on your own scalp to really show all those scientists who didn't want to acknowledge your genius and made you drop out fo college.The rest of us will just use what has actually worked in human clinical trials and not just in faked Chinese studies.Your predecessor, a youtuber named ADKpinecone, also believed in the natural route. He is now wearing a toupee. Just like you will end up doing in a few more years.
>>77100506thanbks
>>77099218>>77099217it looks the same, i.e. norwood 1-2 it's not bad at all, but it does show your age
>>77100513He keeps adding more shit too. You know damn well he is still losing hair relatively quickly
>>77100513>ADKpinecone>did some hair videos like 10 years ago>shilled vegan diet bullshit and weaksauce/fake natty DHT blockers>said AVOID LE CHEMICOOOLS>did scalp massages and headstands>clearly didn't use any ULTRA-PROCESSED plant extracts selected with reverse network pharmacologyThis guy was clearly a pseudo, would not recommend his hair videos, kek.>>77100542Big new review of polygonum multiflorum dropped so I added it but I've been gaining hair for years and have a better hairline than when the pinecone guy started lol.
>>77099824One of the best hair stylist recommended this so this is what I do. But he says to use shampoo when it gets too oily, so like once a week or 2 weeks depending on the person. It just werks.
>>77100488>but otc antifungals alone make the breakage worse and dermatologists are clueless. you're not a knower then.Unless you want to potentially go bald nuking your follicles with some weird kind of PDT to kill the infection, maybe move up to the schizo-tier disinfectant oxidizers like hypochlorous acid wound wash or CDS or singlet oxygen.
>>77100542Just one more natural ingredient bro. Just one more pathway detected in some Iranian lab bro.>>77100552>clearly didn't use any ULTRA-PROCESSED plant extracts selected with reverse network pharmacologyWhat matters is not whether something is processed, natural or whatever. What matters is that it works. Not in mice, not in cells, not in apes but in adult human males. If you go back 50 years ago, we've discovered tens of thousends of chemicals that can grow hair in lab mice. Out of those, only 5ar inhibitors, potassium channel openers and cyclosporine actually grow enough hair to be statistically significant, yet alone cosmetically significant.
>>77100576>Out of those, only 5ar inhibitors, potassium channel openers and cyclosporine actually grow enough hair to be statistically significant, yet alone cosmetically significant.Easily dozens of other chemicals with different mechanisms have had human trials with statistical significance by now, you just haven't researched very deeply on trichology. How about JAK inhibitors for alopecia areata as an easy FDA-approved example? ACK.The new trend in pharmacology is looking at protein conservation b4 u in2 start human trials just FYI, growing hair happens to be a much more mouse-rat-human protein-conserved thing than say cancer or Alzheimer's.
>>77100579>Easily dozens of other chemicals with different mechanisms have had human trials with statistical significance by nowClinical trials, not some Mumbai study where 12 Indians regrew hair on genetically altered cow feces.>you just haven't researched very deeply on trichology.Mechanisms don't matter, results do. As the other anon said, if you were actually confident you'd just use one or twice things at once instead of throwing the kitchen sink at your scalp.>How about JAK inhibitors for alopecia areata as an easy FDA-approved example?We are talking about AGA in this thread, not areata. Almost no man who is balding suffers from areata.>The new trend in pharmacology is looking at protein conservation b4 u in2 start human trials just FYIWhich trend? Where? Because the three biggest things getting funding right now are VDPHL01, GT20029 and PP405. Again, Indian labs need not apply.>rowing hair happens to be a much more mouse-rat-human protein-conserved thing than say cancer or Alzheimer's.Not at all because again, the hair growth differs vastly between rats and humans.
>>77099414>fin after puberty Kek
>>77100469no, with soaps made of tallow or oil
>>77100611>if you were actually confident you'd just use one or twice things at once instead of throwing the kitchen sink at your scalp.Here's the serious pharmacology blackpill that extends FAR beyond trichology: the "one disease, one drug" model is largely bullshit and most conditions have several, if not dozens of, druggable target proteins.
>>77099205I don't know how to style my hair. it's thin and receeded. I do like a combover, or I aim it towards my temple so it goes forward, before just combing over the front.I'm fucking cooked.
>>77100657Hi Biojew-kun, do you believe in the power of ginger? Seems to be very available root and i wonder if you think if it might be beneficial. Also you should really start influencing on youtube, your knowledge base is far greater than anyone else's here.
>>77100611>VDPHL01literally repackaged min, easily mogged by chink plant oils.>GT20029a type of SARD kinda meh but it beats fin.>and PP405only deranged China MPCI here with some higher potency, but...>https://clinicaltrials.gov/search?cond=%22Androgenic%20Alopecia%22&aggFilters=status:not%20rec>currently 45 studies recruiting or not yet recruiting>>77100673>do you believe in the power of ginger?S-tier hair growth inhibitor, look it up kek.
>>77100657>"one disease, one drug" model is largely bullshit and most conditions have several, if not dozens of, druggable target proteins.True. Humans like to simplify things because they're not really as smart as they think they are - and cannot comprehend full complexity of different phenomena. It's especially laughable when it produces some hyperinflation of trivial things like "BAREFOOT WALKING CURES CANCER! AND CVD" and then other retards come in and say "NO IT DOES NOTHING BECAUSE IT'S NOT APPROVED BY THE FDA AS CLINICAL TREATMENT!".
Sorry it's a little off-topic, but does anyone have advice for growing body (specifically forearm and chest) hair?My body hair is unironically closer to left than it is to right and I'm 31. My forearm hair is girlishly thin and my chest hair is what you'd expect on a guy who's 20, not 30. I'm taking basic steps to support T levels (lifting, sleeping more, eating better) but it doesn't seem to make much difference.
>>77099368i cannot for the life of me find the article or the study paper but there’s a hair transplant guy that actually regained a lot of hair density and hairline by botoxing certain areas in his scalp. your tension ‘theory’ i guess is very much spot on i wanted to say. i fully believe it, just look at a mans skull and then look up a graphic where they show a male skull with muscle and tendons. the muscle and tendons are exactly where the norwood pattern is - tendons dont exactly get a lot of blood in the first place. massages arent known for being great but i do fully believe getting more bloodflow to the head muscles and tendons and skin is key to retaining or even regrowing hair.
>>77100724Botox isn't quite the most potent "alternative" hair growth treatment out there, but it is decently well-studied and fairly safe, main downside is it's very costly.>https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/35415183/
>>77100712are you blond or ginger?
>>77100736Nope, dark brown hair. Will add that I have normal leg hair and can grow a beard (albeit not a great one), my arms and trunk are seemingly just cucked.
>>77099218I have the same low and thick crown hair but thinning hairline at 40. I feel like if we took minoxidil we would be hyper responders.Something to think about
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>>77099759That's an actual strategy, sadly you're biggest threat is the dreaded gentle breeze. One lock of hair blown aside and your bald spot is exposed.
>>77099217>>77099218I'm in the same boat, similar hair type as well. Assuming you're in your early 30s it's absolutely fine.
>>77100651you are very illiterate friend, hopefully you can figure out that dumping modern chemicals into your hair every day being bad was my point, hey, i even just pointed it out again for you!
>>77101968I know I'm just being annoying
>>77102003stop jestermaxxing and start hairmaxxing instead baldy
>>77102478I have hair. My only issue is not really knowing what to do with it, there's so much to learn and I'm really bad at actually trying things out and observing how it works
