Whistleblowing inside here.Stay far away from Thorne productsBeen working at the summerville plant for about 5 years. About two years ago we got bought out by a private equity firm.Things been getting shittier and shittier but hey its a job, I usually dont give a fuck but we have gotten pretty egregious with the things we do, and surprisingly get away with?Anyways lots of raw ingredients come with big silica desiccant gel packs in them. Each about 650g of the stuff.We kept not taking them out and they would get broken in the run and you cant seperate them from the powders and it would have to be trashed.Big wig super genious who has never stepped on production floor decides just sift out what you can then mill the rest into powder and nobody will know.Now they dont even want us to try and remove the packs, just toss it all in, let what breaks open breaks open, sift what little is sifted out (A normal run might have 20 packs in it, thats 13kg of silica desi gel. You might sift out <1kg and the rest gets milled up into powder)It seems super fucked up to me, but idk if anyone here will give a fuck. But hey, is what it isfuck em
>>77116419here's a gem for your trouble (whistle)blowing anonhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7m5Ey23OGMo&list=RD7m5Ey23OGMo&start_radio=1
>>77116419theres no fkn waywhistleblowing on fit? and actually something interesting and kinda fucked? what is this 2012?good thread anon, u got moar?
>>77116419i heard thorne got bought out and their shit was possibly no longer of reliable quality, i didn't really believe the concerns but stayed away from it just in case. good to know, thanks for sharing
I remember seeing this post before, anyway I would never buy their overpriced products to begin with
>>77116419Protip: don't buy any fucking supplements, they're all a waste :^)
>>77116424I have pictures but they are from back in july when this was going through its 'pilot testing' kinda scared to post and get doxxed.
>>77116424>>77116545
>>77116555this is what went through after 13kg of desiccantwhat possible information can this 'test' be useful for
>>77116555>>77116545>>77116558dawg you need to report to FDA that is a serious safety issue. I hope you have proof of your boss saying to allow desiccant into the product.
>>77116565see link here for anonymous reporting.https://www.safetyreporting.hhs.gov/SRP2/en/Home.aspx?sid=eb18fb28-a0ee-4268-a028-e65f9e52e89d
>>77116569FDA is on the payroll. We literally get called before audits, they're scheduled
>>77116572there are 1000 different departments. reports are taken very seriously.
>>77116574you arent wrong but i am risking my neck out here anon, easy to say when its not your livelihood on the line. This department is like <50 people and not many of us have access to these kinds of documents
>>77116592>invstgatemy bosses are not smart people...
Well shit you guys were one of the best right? I'm sure other supplement companies have far worse practices going on right now
>>77116592>>77116595best case scenario they fire you and you get to sue them as a whistleblower and get a gorillion dollars.
>>77116646you're not wrong, but this is south carolinathey can manufacture a situation to fire you legally i'm sure and be like oh no, it wasnt the whistle blowing, it was this bullshit blah blah reason
>>77116419Thanks for the heads up, king
>>77116592>--None-- 4048 kgswtf
>>77116419Dessicants are pretty stupid anyway. Why not just bulk ship under a nitrogen atmosphere in aluminum cans? What tier of retard manufacturer is this?
>>77116674they come with the raw materials shipped from china>>77116668see above. my bosses are not smart people
>>77116657Doesn't matter if it's at will, any lawyer would salivate at a whistle blower getting fired. That's such an easy case
>>77116689man you convinced mewill send reportill update if anything happens
>>77116689I hope this anon is right if you get caughtNever bought this brand but seen it many times and almost did buy itThanks for the legit warningGod bless you
>>77116884thx i really appreciate it
WITNESSING
>>77116884I bought a few of their products a long-ass time ago, but they managed to deter me with uncompetitive pricing alone more recently.
No fkn way
>>77116419Some of my preworkout has silicon dioxide just in the shit. It's also sold as scar reducing gel. tl;dr it's not bad for you.
>>77116569Based justice doner
>>77116867>>77116884Based go take your millions anon
>>77116419godspeed nigga
>>77116419Good info. Been thinking about buying their vitamin K.
>>77116419Id be fine eating the silica, but it's fucked that they let the plastic packaging get broken down too. I hate micro plastics
>>77116419Based. doing the lords work anon thank you
Blessed thread, uncs unite
>>77117224t. OP's boss
Monitoring this thread. But that brand was always too expensive for me anyway. Who knows what I'm actually consuming but at least it's not comfirmed dessicant.
If that's in the supposed high tier products imagine what's inside the lower tier ones and imagine what's being done with protein from less regulated markets like US or England.
>>77117457Thorne is a US company
>>77117224>It's also sold as scar reducing gel.You're thinking of silicone; totally different chemical that's also in some titty implants, dildos, and caulking.
>>77117224
>>77116867I'd recommend going to a lawyer before you report, someone who specializes on the supplement/food industry, regulations etc., could probably also help you figure out the best way to do this entire thing
>>77117906
>>77116419Send this info to influencers if you want to get the story out there
>>77119333silicon dioxide is a filler in most of thorne products desusilica gel is not the same thing
>>77119344I'm really not a regular on this boardyall would know who to send it to, idk any fit influencers
>>77119387>silicon dioxide is a filler in most of thorne products desu>silica gel is not the same thingIt's exactly the same thing. The dessicant packs that say silica gel and do not eat are silicon dioxide that you can eat. Ingest anyway, wouldn't chew it.If it was known to be toxic in any way do you retards really think 100,000 food and supplement products would have it in flimsy paper packs.
>>77119569I hope OP is ok if the FDA rejects this on this grounds
>>77116419Tell us what Thorne is, first
>>77116867godspeed my friend. in the current age of epstein & co., we need to do whatever we can to protect whistleblowers
>>77119569If you say soI have poured thoudands of kilos of silicon dioxideI have seen silica gel milled to fine powder They don't look like the same thing or flow the same way. Not same color. Just my experience you could be right
>>77116419Thanks for this anon. I was about to switch up who I get my Mag supplements from and I was considering Thorne since they had good reviews across the web.
>>77116565FDA doesn't even regulate supplements anyway. Companies can lie about what's in them, or lie about what's not in them, as long as the substance itself isn't controlled.
In this episode of /fit/, a disgruntled employee on a PIP (performance improvement plan) with scope of being fired due to poor performance wants to sink the company on his way out. What hijinks are going to transpire in this episode of whacky 4chan greentext posts when anon founds out that... *record scratch* *freeze frame*... SILICA GEL ISNT TOXIC!?!?!?>Scene change>https://youtu.be/w15oWDh02K4 begins playing>a mid 20's dishellved man is sat at a computer with dirty laundry and beer cans strewn across the floor in his mums boxroom>zoom in and scene begins Hi, my name is anon. You're probably wondering how I became a top level whistle blower. Well you see, I was once a straight working HR abiding citizen just like you. Until I saw those damned silica packets... I knew since day 1 they were risky business. You see, it says "DO NOT EAT" on them. It doesn't take a genius to know that they're as sketchy as a detroit hooker 2 days away from their food stamps hitting their doorstep. Anyway, let me cut the chase. One day the big cheese caught me cranking hog in the female toilets and.. well you get the picture. I was on a 1 way bus ride to cannedville, population: me. That's when it hit me. I've been dumping raw materials into the industrial mixers without proper oversight for years. That's at least 12 metric tons of silica packets delivered straight down the gullets of the Joe Schmoe's of America. How are they even alive? I don't want to hear how I'm responsible. Sure, it was me who dumped the raw materials into the vats. But so what? At the end of the day, cranking hog in the bathroom stall is a personal matter, and Susan from HR is a fucking bitch for reporting me....... she's stood behind me isnt she?.... WELL THAT HAPPENED!>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oa_RSwwpPaA starts playing
>>77119903Anywhere online that tells you what chemical silica gel is says either silicon dioxide or SiO2 which means the same thing. It's not a theory I came up with.
>>77119918Correct I'm just saying my personal experience is they do not look like eachother I've seen both milled into fine powder and they don't have the same propertiesI don't know the significance of that. Could be nothing. Just my experience, I don't have an explanation
>>77119933It can be formed differently physically.
>>77116419Thank you OP, you're a good person
>>77116419i hate to shill reddit here but post this info on /r/nootropicsdepot
>>77116419You are appreciated OP, you do your part to make the world less shitty.
kek that's fucking hilarious if true
rare based /fit/ thread in the cursed current year
>>77116419Bumping hoping OP comes back with upudatu
>>77120956He probably got assassinated
>>77121004still alive
>>77116419shit could you try contacting u/misteryouaresodumb over on reddit? he's the owner of nootropics depot and has done callouts about fucked up companies before, im sure he's going to want to hear about this
>>77116419put me in the screencap
never heard of Thorne but thanks OP I shall avoid
>>77116419Op, silica gel is nontoxic it says do not eat on it bc its a choking hazard but if you are grinding it into powder thats a nonissue. The worst thing thats happening here is your retarded boss is fleecing customers by diluting the product by a few %.
>>77116867Baking in an epic bread. pls add me to the screencap
>>77116867godspeed, fren.I use thorne Zinc supplement, but imma stop buying more
>>77119913how much of your life do you live inside of your head with made up scenarios like this?
>>77122031hey I did preface all this with I dont know if anyone will give a fuckbeen doing this a long time so theres normal bullshittery and then there is higher level bullshittery. Even all the other dudes here who dont normally give a fuck were like damn, this is kinda fucked up.Didn't hear shit saturday but ill update if any leaking panic comes out today
>>77121994The picLmao
>>77122118TY for saying this lol. It really weirded me out. I am a little higher up than the rank and file, I am a good employee that was, at least, under the impression of trying to spread a little awareness of the shift in culture. We used to be serious about the quality of the product. Now we aren't and we will do pretty much anything we can get away with.Take it at face value. If you dont care because it's 'non-toxic' thats fine. Its kind of indicative of an over all approach to quality, not that we are actively attempting to poison people.
Here's a new one from earlier today
Here is the outlet of a big filitration system for CLEAN water to clean some of the machines.This one is used for cleaning the two large rotary blenders. Any 23-32 ounce powder that gets mixed into water/milk/etc comes through these machines. Fibermend/Protein/Mediclear, etc
>>77122563>>77122567I wonder if you could send these over to a news station
>>77122579Posting here and putting in the FDA report is about as far as i'm willing to goparanoid about this being traced back to me, as I'm under an NDA
>>77117906I have scars, will try that.Will trying it along with the dildo improve the effects?
Fuck thorne
yikes! in before the FDA Warning Letters/Recall
>>77116419Godspeed OP
Is this publicly traded? Want to short this pile of shit
>>77122592>as I'm under an NDAthis literally doesnt apply if they are breaking the law
>>77122755i'm not sure they are breaking the lawsupplements are barely regulatedmorally wrong yes, illegal? ehh.whistleblower my help with the alert to the fdabut if i get caught posting this shit on here, or going to media or influencers i dont know about all thati'd rather not find out
>>77122762whistleblower may help*
To whom it may concern; I represent the parties referenced here. It has come to our attention that tweets are being made on 4chan.org that misrepresent and defame our organization. You are hereby directed to cease and desist all such posts immediately or face legal action.
>>77122782ligma balls
>>77116419Wiow good find.Yes silicone dioxide is absoluteyl toxic. its used as a lubircating agent for the machines and excipient just found in the powder. Its considered "safe" by corrupt FDA standards. Silicone dioxide is literal glass dust that fucks up your gut and intestines when ingested.
>>77122782u wont
>>77122782made my booty pucker a little bit but nothing out of the ordinary is going on here so just a troll
>>77122782I dare you to call the police. I double dare you motherfucker!
>>77116419Silicon dioxide is not toxic.
>>77122917silicon dioxide as an ingredient is safe to consumesilica gel in desiccant packs, while not toxic, isn't food grade either, why do you think it says do not consume all over the packsand dont forget the package itself gettin all fucked up
>>77122929Silicon dioxide and silica gel are the same chemical in a dense vs porous form. No difference in terms of toxicity. Also OP mentioned sifting which would separate the bags easily.
>>77116419Rob, I warned you to keep your fucking mouth shutI want you in my office ASAP to discuss your promotion with your little shit head 4chan friends
>>77116555>>77116545If this isn't fake. Some dude got doxxed and a subpoena when he posted some shit on /pol/. If you don't care about losing your job, do what >>77116565 said.
>>77122782gay larp
>>77119908idk who started this rumor but it's actually retarded. supplements are way more regulated than food. source I also work in supp manufacturing
>>77123011they might be for you if you don't live in the US, but over here supplements are basically wild west-tier. the food and drug administration does not test them or do any kind of pre-approval, as a matter of fact, you don't even need to let the FDA know if you're bringing a supplement to market. that's literally a lower bar than food. all you need is a nutrition label on the back, and again, regardless of what you put there it's not going to be tested or evaluated without probable cause. the safety standards for supplements are also near-nonexistent for supplements because they fall into a legal grey area; for example, foodstuffs have limits on things like the presence/amount of heavy metals, supplements do not. you might work for a company that imposes strong self-regulation and follows good practices, but the enforcement is internal and subject to vary wildly between manufacturers.
>>77123005no proof honestly its all word of mouthi didnt think 4chan would answer subpoenaswell boys i might be fucked
Hello!As a senior manager of Thorne, it has come to my attention that you have been publicly defaming Thorne while being employed at the company.Please be informed that this violates the employment contract and in your case in punishable by an enforced period of anal expansion for up to two weeks daily as well as a termination of the current employment contract.We encourage you to cease your defamation attempts and instead bring your concerns directly to your supervising manager. As of today, your current period of required gape machine attendance is thirteen (13) days. Please visit the Equipment room no. 379 on floor -3 of the compound to start your rehabilitation.Thank you.- James
>>77116419>>77122958I am OPno drama today when I got here, half expected to be pulled asidealso I kinda already explained this. The sifting is not 'easily seperating the bags' as most of the desiccant material is making it through.The second or third picture is of a sifter screen that sifted a run that had 13kg of desiccant bags busted in it. Whats in the screen is what was removed, it was only like 500g. You see how there are little rocks embedded in the screen? that is bad because that means some are getting through>>77116558>>77116558this picture>>77123884puckered my booty for a minute but 10/10 did make my rainbow ass laughsurprisingly this is quite a small company, and there is like nobody monitoring social media outside facebook and twitter
bump (not even Op)
>>77122579yeah because whistleblowers are treated amazingly in america
>>77122782To whom it may concern;>BRAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAP
>>77124141dude nobody even goes to /fit/ anymore, have you seen how fucking slow the boards have been lately?you're fine.
>>77124774To whom it may concern,>imagine the smell
>>77122782>tweets>postsMake up your mind lawyer-chan
update?
>>77126132OP got caught and got grinded into the mixture :(
>>77126158>THIS POWDER IS MADE OF PEOPLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!so that's why it's so good for gains
>>77122563
>>77126158still alive still monitoringnothing new here same old same old>>77126511not sure exactly whats being asked herethe picture is basically what the whole thread is about. very small amount of detritus in sifter screen, but when you have small particles like that stuck in the screen (which we incorrectly refer to as blinding) it means some are getting through.
>>77126511No it's not whax
>>77127064i think he is spelling whatbut i'm not sure what he is asking tbqh
they fired anyone who wouldnt take the jewjabs so no big surprise
>>77127454goyim is plural, double digiter
>>77126511Why is it rusty? Is it safe?
>>77116867God speed anonAre the new owners jeets by chance?
>>77117327lel
>>77122782Lmao
>>77122782No u
bumping baking bread
I've read it's the same shit powder mixed with table salt. So it is practically tiny bits of glass that hurt you and provoque an immune response, Or something like it.I've read here and there that it causes the relationship between salt consumption and high blood preassure, since I think it causes vasoconstriction.I don't really know for sure. But guess what, your boss could be part of the same stupid mafia.
>>77116419If this thread ends up as evidence in a court case I just want to go on the record and say: nigger.
>>77116592did they ever raise a CAPA for this incident? what was the outcome?
>>77128609based
>>77128746they didnt want to toss 4000 kg so run it through the sifter and call it fixed
>>77128609>n-i-g-g-e-rit will be entered into the record
How many of your coworkers and managers are jeets, h1bs, haitians or otherwise human trash?
>>77129076Seconding this.
>>77128609I would like to clarify - I am not racist at all.I would NEVER say that I hate niggers.I in fact LOVE niggers.
>>77116646Or they kill him
>>77123011Big pharma started the rumor
>>77129076Bet the new owners are jews
Imagine how bad the Now facilities are run if this is what Thorne is doing
>>77132396More like Come on Now lmao
>>77116419Any updates, OP?
>>77134465>OP_will_surely_deliver_skeleton.jpg
>>77134720Never stopped monitoringNothing new as of yday evening but who knows now i'm terrified ill get pulled to the side one of these afternoons when I walk in
>>77122782Good larp but everyone knows a stacy lawyer tasked with writing this up would fail the captcha
>>77134720what the fuck are you expecting him to deliver?
>>77130920i love NIGGERS so much. we need more NIGGERS in this country.
Posting in an epic threadImagine if this shit makes the news
>>77116419Holy shit, a happening. Screencap me.
Keep us updated, OP
>>77137420nothing new. shitting bricks every day at work :Dhonestly thought the thread would immediately slide off because nobody cares
>>77134720Exactly, mother fuckers think boeing is good at killing whistleblowers? They ain't got nothin' on thorne. OP and his entire family are probably already in the local meat supply.
>>77139594We do care, bro. Sending thoughts and prayers
>>77139612>implying the current "OP" responding to us is not a Thorne shill engaging in a strategic false flagging while OP's cells are already packaged into creatine containersdesu that would mean the next output will have extra protein so I'm probably gonna get a few
>Not eating OP's remains inside a creatine mix is killing your gains>shrugs>cue the intro animationto put science back in strength you need to put creatine producer back in creatine
>>77139594>>77139613So much this. I'm literally shaking on your behalf rn. When this blows up into a news story I'll be retweeting on all my social media accounts
>>77139613Could I improve my gains by consuming OP infused creatine?
>>77123041U should be fine. But do the following in future for stuff like this..- Run a VPN when u post stuff like this- Don't use a raw photo, use exifremover from google to clean ur photo metadata before u post em.- NEVER tell anyone irl you posted it, especially ur work buddies, can't stress this one enough.
Oh and if you're feeling adventurous you can pick up really cheap spy equipment from temu like pen cameras and shit
>>77140222>>77140228This. it's not that hard
>>77140222are there any free VPNs that work with 4chan? I did try that but it wouldn't let me postI thought I cleaned the pics but maybe not :|Nobody knows, definitely know not to say a goddamn wordAs far as spy cameras go, ehhh that wouldnt work so wellI think the scope of the company is misunderstood. This is a small ass company despite its brand reach. There are never more than 15 people on this shift in this department making this stuff. Plus I sign my name a ton of stuff when I walk into a room do checks etc. Havent heard shit, no alarm bells at work, nothing from FDA other than thanks for the tip
>inb4: OP is fine by Thorne but gets permabanned on 4chan trying to be safe
>>77141234VPNs work but you need a 4chan pass. Pay in BTC with a fresh protonmail if you want the pass to be (more or less) untraceable.
bump
>>77143847likewiseprobably nothing is gonna happen for months to be desu but still let's keep this going
Bump
>>77116419you should tell one of those consumer group independent testers to look for sillica in the product line instead of shitposting on /fit/
How the fuck is this thread still up after TWO WEEKS? how fucking slow has this board become?
>>77116419What do you guys and op think of jarrows, now, swanson, california gold, life extinsion, nootroopics depot? Are they legit or do they also operate like thorne?
>>771451541-2 retards keeps bumping for no clear reason, it would have died multiple times including twice in the past 24 hours. you, in turn, are retarded for not noticing that 2/3 of the posts directly above yours were bumps
OP is retarded. It's nontoxic and inert. It's basically just sand, that also acts as an anti-caking/clumping agent. Just ask any AI before you make any stupid claims.
>>77145725Then why dont you eat some right now and post it
>>77145725The only thing I'm wondering is the dust/rocks in the photo don't look like silica gel but bentonite clay.If it was silica I wouldn't care. but Bentonite can be contaminated with heavy metals.
>>77145725I tried but it just told me that Jews controlling their bladders is an antisemitic conspiracy theory with no basis in reality.
>>77145846my grandpa ate a packet (my brother had gifted him a sweet he got in asia and my grandpa thought that the dessicant was some powder to put on it) and nothing happened, he didn't feel bad at all afterwards
>>77145725Can't see the forest for the trees
>>77145725make sure you eat lots of sand for good health!
>>77116419bump
TKDTNDTTT
Jews are seething at the only multivitamin brand that's based in the US and does labratory testing. They want people buying their inert junk from China (every brand you can get in store btw)
how anabolic are silica gel packets?
>>77116419Bumping thread because all we have is gay faggot shit on the catalog as usual
>>77116419wow /fit/ is BACK guys!
>Source? I made it upFaggot.
>>77152758how? op posted some evidence
>>77152758Didn't read the thread. Decides to comment. Lol retard.
https://youtu.be/ChgIkbg0x80 here’s a case of a guy eating 25 packets and being hospitalized but surviving
Verdict?
>>77154059Total Nigger Death
>>77127454grass
>>77122782Oh SHIT pack it up boys, it's the Internet police! >>77130955What!? A South Carolina company murdering a whistleblower? That would never happen https://www.bbc.com/news/business-68534703
>>77145154Dude even /b/ is slow now outside of the porn spam
>>77154059The verdict is that coffee IS, in fact, good for you, as long as it does not come from OP's company
