Is bouldering legit?
>>77132652In my experience it is
>>77132652This shit is so fucking gay.Some collogues started doing it and now they talk about it all the time.
>>77132760Yeah because we have a lot of the physical and neural "scaffolding" of our earlier primate ancestors. We spent at least 20 million years as arboreal apes. The physiology we have that's adapted to walking upright is based on the physiology of those apes. Even if we aren't specialized in climbing, it's like deeper layers of an onion that are still present in how our bodies are built and how our nervous systems are laid out.Climbing regularly and activating those aspects and neural circuits probably makes a lot of people feel a sense of being alive they have never felt before in this soulless modern society and way of life.
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>>77132652legit what?
>>77132652>Is bouldering legit?yesall climbing isand ideally done outdoorsif you aim for ottermode, it's the perfect sport>>77132760what are you complaining / whining about?just go with them!?or are you mad because they didn't invite you?bouldering is literally the perfect /fit/ socializing>lots of time for conversation between climbs, but always easy way out -> just climb again>still needs strength, nice functional addition to gym>fatties not welcome>>77132863kinda convincing, I'm inclined to believe that
>>77132867AUUUUGHH that did not look like a bad enough fall to have caused that
>>77132912Asians don't drink milk when they grow up so their bones are brittle. They snap like balsa wood.
>>77132867He should've lifted heavier weights in the temple of iron so he wouldn't have lost his grip.
>>77132652>boulderingIt's called climbing. When did this gay "bouldering" shit start?
>>77133128>It's called climbingbouldering is a type of rock climbingso bouldering ⊂climbing>When did this gay "bouldering" shit start?1874 in Fountaienbleau, Francebut that was more training for mountaineeringmodern bouldering likely started ~1947 where the first pure bouldering routes appearedbut I'm guessing that's not what you want to knowetymology wise, bouldering started to be used in the early 60s in the USAand got adapted to the whole worldexcept for the french, they still call it "bloc" (technically that would be the correct word as modern bouldering as sport originate in France)
>>77132652No, it's pretend. It's a video game. You fucking retard.
how do yall fit bouldering into your workout? for me, i lift and run, so should i just climb once a week?
>>77132867Yo this is AI right?
>>77132867Ngl I was about to sign up for a climbing gym next week but this shit just put me off. What the fuck.
>>77133128In the 1930s
>>77133335I do lift rest climb rest. Once a week doesn't really feel often enough to get past noob gains. But if you do it just for fun and dont mind slow gains it's allright. a lot of climbing gyms have some weightlifting equipment mine has a power rack and a barbell dumbells up to like 30kg and ofcourse the campus board/pullup bars so you could do some lifting after climbing too.
>>77133128"Bouldering" refers to any climb you can do on a boulder, that you don't need rope to do. Climbing means you need tools to secure yourself, bouldering means you need nothing, or just mats. Indoor bouldering gyms mimic the conditions of pic related basically.Bouldering is closer to what our bodies are naturally able to do, it's kind of the same heights and distances as climbing trees. Rock climbing is something we are not as naturally adapted to.But I agree, I wish "bouldering" was just called climbing and rope climbing was called something else.
>>77132652It looks fun and good for strength
>>77133335I find climbing doesnt interfere with my lifting or my running. Climbing is a lot about using your muscles as little as possible, its more about relying on your skeleton and coordinating your body.
>>77132652I tried itDidn't think it was bad, but also not fun, just mehGo try it and see for yourself
>>77132652just go outside and climb a tree or something
>>77132760They don't invite you because you're fat and not fun to be around.
>>77132863Can you show me at least a single monkey that climbes rocks?
>>77135788i'll do you one better, niggahttps://www.youtube.com/shorts/M4uuxIjjwmQ
>>77135827Well that is pretty cool. Now teach him to pick up bouldering chicks
>>77135788Can you explain how climbing boulder-sized rocks is physiologically different from climbing trees?
>>77135788https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yyKSgHeTOgQhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Whf8ZiEg3TQhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1aTlsI0HjxIhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C6BPm8AVg4w
>>77135827>chimp only using jugsyeah thought so gumby
>>77135893THANK YOU BACK-SNAP GORILLA
Looks really passive and gay and pointless. Would rather Ninja Warrior obstacle courses be the meme.
>>77135978>passivekekyou certainly never climbed beforeunless you only comment on OPs pic, which is a beginner section and is indeed quite "passive"for more difficult routes you'll have your core engaged non-stop to keep body tensionthe rest is mostly upper body strength and stabilization
There's 2 Chinese girls I know really into it, I want to smell them after they've been climbing for an hour
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>>77132867I'd probably just kill myself if that happened to me.
>>77132760Climbing is worse than Crossfit for cult-like behaviour but it's great fun and the girls are mostly skinny/lean if you don't mind body hair
>>77136041ask nicely
>>77132652It's fun, it's social. Will it get you fit? Look at olympic gold medal boulderers. They look like scrawny nerds. Not knocking boulderers, it's just how it is. If you are okay with that then it's great. It's more about technique and low body weight than strength.
>>77132652Middle class young professional hetcis coupleslop
>>77132652It's pretty cool
>>77132652It will make you absurdly powerful, but you'll look like a fucking twink who likes to be topped.Oh by absurdly powerful though it's just your grip strength everything else is pretty weak still.
>>77136472>They look like scrawny nerdswhut??they look somewhere between ottermode and athleticleaning more towards the latter as the problems in competitive bouldering got more and more strength focused in recent yearliterally everyone but roidtrannies would consider them /fit/
>>77136791>Oh by absurdly powerful though it's just your grip strengthThis is basically the anthem of people who have never climbed a single thing in their entire lives.
>>77132867how?
>>77136791I don't even lift, just climb and I can deadlift 3 plate. I can also do several OAP per armI know the deadlift number isn't great for a lifter
>>77132863>watch me speculate a bunch of made up shit why do people do this and then say "muh evolution" at the end like that somehow masks the fact they are talking 100% out of their fucking asses?
>>77133533Sadly no. It happened a few years ago, before AI could look this good.
>>77137275>watch me speculateYou just described exactly what research is all about. It's always speculation. The whole idea of "trust the science" is as much a cuck woke thing as it is a deranged /pol/tard thing. You speculate. Someone comes in and tells you it's garbage, you can either support your idea, or you have to come up with a better idea. If you have a better idea, someone will also have to try harder to show that it's garbage. Then someone even smarter comes along and does that, and you make an even better idea. The only people who say "basedence is about facts" are trannies who fabricate delusional nonsense and call it "science" to support their mental illness, schizo /pol/ faggots who have PTSD from what happened 5 years ago, and christcucks who don't understand that a lot of this research is congruent with ideas from the bible (yes, really, if you don't take everything letter for letter).There are a lot of observations about human anatomy, the anatomy of apes that resemble us the most, primates in general, and palaeontological finds of species from our lineage (whether they are direct ancestors or not). Humans didn't just pop into existence being how we are, but gradually developed from arboreal creatures. Whatever we are now, whatever makes us human, is built "on top" of the anatomy we inherited from them. You are very welcome to disprove these ideas, I hope you can teach me something about comparative anatomy.
>>77137275>>77137867
>>77132652i don't really get the appeal but gopher it
OP here. I was about to sign up for the gym but ive changed my mine. Just saw another vid of a woman falling on her back after failing a step Yeah I guess ill find another activity to try and make friends at....
OP here. Gonna sign up to the gym tomorrow. You guys convinced me. That vid of the chinese guy was like whateverYeah I don't know who the other guy is but he's not me
>>77132652I don't really boulder but I do like climbing sometimes. Sometimes people frown at my not wearing a helmet but I was a cool 14 year old so I just can't. Me on left.
>>77138824Nice ass
>>77132867any more webms?
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>>77132652I love rock climbing.No better forearm, shoulders/Back workout out there.It's not boring like weightlifting is.50/50 mix of women and men.Lots of families there.90% white.You do have to be careful to not go to SNAP city though.Just don't be retarded.
>>77136472They look pretty jacked to me.
>>77139128>You do have to be careful to not go to SNAP city though.if you're reasonably careful, climb your grade and don't go hangboarding on week 2the worst thing you'll ever have are callusesindoor bouldering is actually low to moderate in terms of injuries per 1000hdepending on who measures it's somewhere>1,2 - 3,0 per 1000hon the low end that's similar to Tennis, on the upper to Volleyball for comparison, Basketball sits at ~4/1000h and the worst, Football, at >7/1000halso a lot of the injuries in bouldering are "just" tendinopathy or mild damages to some tendonnot nothing, but actual serious injuries are far less common
It looks fun but a majority of the people I meet that are into it are huge fagsT. Colorado
>>77139249>actual serious injuries are far less commonthis is true but it's also true that it's easy to get a bad injury if you don't know what you are doing. many people are scared and/or retarded and fall incorrectly or at the wrong time, or don't take security seriously and forget to clip, etc. it's not necessarily more dangerous than any other sport, but it's different
>>77139249Depends on the gym.Some have 20ft boldering routes Even falling correctly from that height will still hurt.3ft thick mat ain't gonna save everything.
>>77139287>and forget to clipi was talking about bouldering exclusivelyclimbing with rope is incredibly safe (or at least people don't get injured)the injury rate is like ~0,3/1000h (according to the German Alpine Club / Alpenverein)probably also a selection bias though>>77139292>Some have 20ft boldering routesi hope they don't let beginners climb that... most bouldering gyms around me are like ~3,5m (10-11ft) on the lower and ~5m (16ft) on the maxnever seen something that high
>>77139264>T. ColoradoI am so fucking sorry.Could always be worse though.Could be Portland.
I am owed a climbing gf.
>>77132652you didn't get your answer the last 20 times you posted shit about climbing?
>>77132863true fact: we used to climb barefoot to chase pray up the sheer faces of cliffs until it was too exhausted to keep going. persistence climbing. evolv doesn't want you to know about this or the entire industry built around unnecessary special shoes to climb would collapse.
>>77140360Damn that is a fantastic route. I fucking hate this garbage trend where they're trying to turn bouldering into some sort of fucking acrobatics circus show in competitions. This is what climbing should be. Everything should be a factor. Technique/body positioning. Control/pure physicality. Pain tolerance/determination. Efficiency/energy and power conservation. One or two big moves you have to land.
Unironically the best sport if you want a busty gf
>>77132760They talk about it because it's fun.
>>77139134This is not from bouldering you emotionally invested fag. Don't make a hobby your personality.
>>77141383>Don't make a hobby your personality.Guess that's why you behave like such a faggot.
No.>horrid women>"men" who are basically cyclists hanging off colored blocks>guaranteed to make your fingers tendons and muscles to irreparably separate
>>77132652Midwit hobby
>>77141325How so?Also wouldn't your busty GF also have big guns and back, since staying close to the wall is rather difficult with those?
>>77141748>No ulow iq
>>77133999>what our bodies are naturally able to do>can't do it without covering everything in chalk and wearing special shoes
Yeah I started this year and fucking love it. I'm lifting with a friend that has been lifting for longer than me and I think I'm starting to mog him on back exercices.Now my question is, what sports/exercices are similar to what bouldering do the back but for the chest?
Pros >Lots of cute grills>Fun>Easy to talk to people Cons>Cute grills aren't interested in you >Seems to attract heaps of trannies >It gets to a stage where progress is minimal and you're filtered by the moderate clinics, anything harder is straight up impossible
>>77135930anyone who has done both even once can understand it and I'd expect someone who actively lifts to have a better mechanical understanding of it just by knowing different exercises. both are good but they're definitely different kinds of exertion
>>77141768Most females aren't getting to the level of climbing where having small boobs might matter. High level climbing takes pretty extreme amounts of dedication, training and luck (not getting injured)
>>77141904https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zhjKq3XvXV4
>>77141872this lmao if anything lead climbing is more natural because it's technically more feasible without those aids due to the easier moves, and you could forego the ropes and free solo it if you're insane enough.The most natural thing is probably going over a mountain by mostly walking and just climbing small sections where necessary
>>77142650Yeah that's scrambling and when it gets hard enough it's just bouldering again
>>77132652Yes. Its a top tier blend of calisthenics and fun and creativity. Great environment to meet people and hang out too. Yes, theres higher concentration of crunchy leftists, but the silver lining is it filters out insecure chuds
>>77132863Interesting tidbit. I have always thought it built some insanely aesthetic physiques as far as sports go. Very injurious tho
>>77132652it genuinely is but bouldering gyms are very expensive in my experiencefringe benefit though is the high cost acts as a barrier to entry keeping riff raff out
>>77143736>Yes, theres higher concentration of crunchy leftistswhy is political stance mentioned so often here?i literally never seen someone in a bouldering gym around me be vocal about their political opinionsnor can you really see this from appearances (like no political shirts or stereotypical colored hair)most people there are pretty normallots of students (big university in my city)but otherwise a mix of white and blue collar workersmy other hobby, sailing, is comically homogeneous in comparison>>77144009>bouldering gyms are very expensivebecause it's labor intensive to set new routes often>high cost acts as a barrier to entry keeping riff raff outand that's why they are nicer, cleaner and more pleasant to be around compared to regular gyms which, depending on location, truly attract the worst of society
>>77132652It absolutely is. Took me from 180 to 150 in about 3 months because I went daily for 2 or 3 hrs because I couldn't get enough of it.
>>77138824Red River gorge vibes
>>77144000>I have always thought it built some insanely aesthetic physiques as far as sports go.If you combine it with some other sports/exercise regimens, yes. If you devote your entire existence only to climbing, I would say not so much.
>>77132867Shiiiiet mudafugga!
>>77132652As someone that has been climbing for more than a year now:Pros>very socialI am an introvert sperg and I made like ten new friends there that I see all the time>very easy as a date ideaI already took like live women there already and they all loved it>very beginner friendlyyou can start even if you've never done anything athletic>it's basically like solving a puzzle with your body>takes you out of your comfort zone with different challenges like dynamic climbing \ scary high cimbs or balance focused etcCons>can be expensive depending where you're from>regular girls over there are either taken or coming as couples>the fatter you are the exponentially harder the base level is for you>takes a couple of months before you can climb without finger forearm / soreness>you will get injured at some point>higher levels require a lot more from your body than you might expect requiring you to do other stuff than climbingmy body is super not flexible and its making high level climbs to be a lot tougher>can take a lot of time (my average climbing session now is like 3 hours but thats also because of mingling with other people)
>>77132652 The question is what are your goals. If you’re a fat/skinny fat guy that hates working out, bouldering would be a great alternative because its fun/doesn’t feel like work and will put some decent muscle on you. If you want to look bigger and not just athletic, bouldering alone probably won’t be enough unless you’re like 6’3+.You’d have to add some compound lifts to supplement your climbing routine.A lot of climbing gyms have lifting areas with free weight these days. Say you wanted to focus on bouldering primarily but also wanted some additional mass/strength. You could throw in 3x5 weighted chin-ups and 3x5 weighted dips or bench in the training area before jumping on the walls, around 20 mins. If you’re bouldering 2-3 days a week, that’s 6-9 sets a week, plenty for growth. In fact it’s actually recommended that you at least do some pressing exercises to work the apposing muscle groups, otherwise you might end up with hunched shoulders/overdeveloped back and no chest.Personally I recommend a minimalist lifting routine to supplement your bouldering, something low investment, psychologically easy you could knock out quickly. If you’re bouldering 2 days/week. Pick 2 upper body lifts and 1 lower body, for example, OHP/WeightedChins/Squat or Weighted Dips/Rows/Squat, whatever you want, and do everything for 3 sets of 5 reps. You’ll get the best of both worlds.
>>77145210>I am an introvert sperg and I made like ten new friends there that I see all the timestarting bouldering was the first time in my life I actually enjoyed being sociali'm not even good at climbingbut now the 2-3x/week are my main socializingit just comes so naturally and bouldering itself is actually funlast summer hiking to a boulder and climbing outdoors was literally the first time in my like 10y of adult life I went out with friends on a weekendwagmi
>>77132652not practical for most people therefore not legit. I would have to drive 30 minutes just for bouldering and another 30 minutes back every time I want to do it. not feasible long term since motivation will run dry very quickly because of the retarded commute. everyone who wants to do this kind of hobby needs to be honest and realistic with themselves. most people would be lucky to have a place within a 30 minute driving range.
just checked my local bouldering gym and they have a plan that's cheaper than their monthly that's billed $20/wat that price I could actually see myself going
>>77132652My brother shattered his ankle in a bouldering gym from a 3 meter high fall. He's been bed-bound for three full months and has only been getting around without a wheelchair since last month.I'm good, thanks.
>>77145064Ondra is hella ripped when he's in peak shape
I know I'm not big by lifting standards but I'm 5'8 170 in this pic and I haven't done anything but boulder for the last 9 yearsMy forearms are as big as my biceps and I can still deadlift decent weight, like 2.5pl8 1 handed and shit like that. Bouldering once you get past the intermediate stage is extremely physical in a way that weightlifting never was. Hard to explain, but the perceived effort from a max try on a hard boulder vs. say a 1 rm on a lift is not even close. It's also much more mentally engaging and overall fun in my not so humble opinion.
>>77145935off topicthis looks like a very solid, well executed surgery (without knowing the lateral view)but holy shitbimalleolar, trimalleolar AND pilon (at least judging by the plate far up the tibia) fracturethat's nothing you see every day>My brother shattered his ankle in a bouldering gym from a 3 meter high fallwhich is really unfortunatebut statistically, injury probability from bouldering isn't that highand most injuries can be easily prevented by learning how to fall (or just climbing down) and slowly increase your grade to give your tendons time to adjustyour pic is most likely a bad combination of stiff legs when landing and rotational momentum
>>77146023Yeah, I'm a musician, I need all my limbs for playing. If this had happened to me I'd get very depressed. I'm just going to stick to lifting.
>>77146015U should shave ur weird nipple hair
>>77132867Fake as hell
>>77146038You'll snap your shit sooner or later.
>>77146044T...thanks...
>>77145997
>>77146503>Autism unchained
>>77145935Shit happens/he deserved it
>>77147272Fuckkkkk that webm is so cool I love you
>>77132863>a sense of being alive they have never felt before in this soulless modern society and way of life.https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Af-k9sTAYEQ
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>>77147272Yo wtf is that real??
>>77132863Wait, there's an onion inside my body? Sounds onions.
>>77147782Actually there is a spooky scary skeleton
>>77147816My queen...I kneel
>>77147816>yfw more people have deadlifted >1k lbs than people who can climb v15, let alone v17 or 9c+ sport
>>77147833>Posting Isabelle FausInteresting, didn't know we had real boulderers on here
>>77147421>being normal is abnormal >because socieity is abnormalSounds like jewish gibberish desu
>>77132652women should runit's okay for children and low weight "men" I guess
>>77137867darwin was dyel therefore disprovencase dismissed
Isabelle deserves more recognition for her sends
>>77147883meant for>>77147854
>>77147852>more people have deadlifted >1k lbs than people who can climb v15, let alone v17 or 9c+ sportnot only thatnormies are generally more impressed by bouldering problems than lifting heavythe visual of lifting heavy is just so disconnected from the actual difficultylike if you know the movement and form of a deadlift, it's really easy to imagine just adding more plates even if you don't have the strengthbut for difficult bouldering problemsit looks much more like "magic"and if you're not a good / experienced climber yourself, you wouldn't even know where to start, even if you magically had enough strength
>>77147766Yes
>>77132652legit according to which metrics?
>>77147852well, I'm sure more people have tried deadlifting than high-grade boulder problems outdoors, statistically
>>77148097Yeah true
>>77147883She's a badass frI will be attempting one of her v14s, Shadow Walker up in Swissco one of these years
>>77148119Keep me informed of your progress on /xs/. After each session, submit a detailed post of 400–600 words outlining the work completed and any relevant reflections. Your writing should demonstrate careful attention to correct grammar, punctuation, and clarity.
>>77133533this happened like 10 years ago
>>77132863>>77132887>kinda convincing, I'm inclined to believe thatYou shouldn't. It's wrong.Any trait relaying on a suite of systems (nervous, muscular, skeletal) isn't building layers on layers. Old features get replaced, entirely new paths are foraged and the old ones lost. Yeah, some old foundation work may remain, but it's a Theseus ship.Before climbing trees, primates where probably rodent like burrowers. There's nothing about the long limbs and accompanying changes primates evolved being stacked on short limbs. You'll never burrow like those ancestors and it's not buried in your body plan under what you now use, your architecture is just too different.See also "Your Brain Is Not an Onion With a Tiny Reptile Inside"https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1177/0963721420917687
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>>77148639>Any trait relaying on a suite of systems (nervous, muscular, skeletal) isn't building layers on layers. Old features get replaced, entirely new paths are foraged and the old ones lost. Especially forelimb morphology is highly conserved among all primate species, and among them especially the hominoids. The MRCA is too recent for humans to have diverged significantly enough from the primate morphotype to possess functionally distinct anatomy. Human bodies are adapted to types of locomotion and limb use other primates are not, but out bodies have not lost the anatomical adaptations of the MRCA of humans and chimpanzees, nor humans and other hominoids, nor humans and other primates. Climbing, grasping and leaping are considered to be the three critical morphological adaptations for the primate morphotype, and they are all conserved in human physiology, they have not disappeared.>Before climbing trees, primates where probably rodent like burrowers. There's nothing about the long limbs and accompanying changes primates evolved being stacked on short limbs. You'll never burrow like those ancestors and it's not buried in your body plan under what you now use, your architecture is just too different.These taxa have scant evidence, much of which diverges from the primate morphotype. They are never considered to begin with in any analysis of primate and hominin morphology.
>>77132652what if she farts in your eye and gives you brown eye and everybody calls you brown eye
>>77141876>no replies. All the seething itt is fatties that can't climb out of bed
>>77143736>insecure chudswhat does this mean lol everything you care about dies with white people, think for one second. Really, think about no white people anywhere right now. All of your white hobbies gone. Nobody around to care about animal rights, nobody around to care about women's rights or any of the faggy shit you pretend to care about because you think it will make women like you. Self hating whites should be deported to the Congo.
>>77132652Went today, and having not done any climbing for 12 years, I did okay as a 93kg 5'9 guy. I was one of the heaviest on the wall, it's fall of manlets and weedy leftist men who want to do something "non-competitive" and women, or lesbian with their dogs for some reason. Some hot chicks to perv on though, was okay.
>>77132867>>77132652>>77133999It's dating for awkward zoomers, like run clubs too.
>>77132867Wtf
>>77148639>You'll never burrow like those ancestors Don't threaten me with a good time nigga I can dig quite the hole
>>77149047>what does this mean lol everything you care about dies with white people, think for one second. Really, think about no white people anywhere right now. All of your white hobbies gone. Nobody around to care about animal rights, nobody around to care about women's rights or any of the faggy shit you pretend to care about because you think it will make women like you. Self hating whites should be deported to the Congo.good example of someone who was filtered
>>77149047Lol who said anything about white people
>>77149047>All of your white hobbies goneclimbing is one of the least divers sportseven on a professional level it's mostly western / central european (origin) and east asiansif there was any chud sport, it'd be climbing>you think it will make women like youit kinda does thoughclimbing is regularly perceived (by women) as one of the, if not the, most attractive sportsand the body type you naturally get from climbingis what most women would consider the ideal athletic body>deported to the Congowhich one?Brazzaville in RoC is actually pretty cool and the national parks in the north are really worth a visit as wellseeing the lowland Gorillas there was one of my all time top /trv/ experiences
>>77149734>it kinda does thoughwomen are more likely to rock climb because they naturally have to put less effort into maxing out because of their absurdly low body weight.just like pullups are not a good judgement of strength because all it takes to be good at pullups is just to not weigh very much.so yeah, meeting women at rock climbing is super easy.
>>77149744>women are more likely to rock climb because they naturally have to put less effort into maxing out because of their absurdly low body weightI'm curious if you have any data on this. Some interesting research has been done on bodyweight distribution and efficiency of energy expenditure in humans vs. primates for climbing, but I personally haven't found anything on differences between males and females in humans. The only one I know that investigated some differences measured strength relative to mass, which was lower for females than for males, but that doesn't reliably relate to energy expenditure and perceived effort.
>>77149734>body type you naturally get from climbing is what most women would consider the ideal athletic body.It's pretty good, but you still need chest exercises and your legs will be kinda underdeveloped, just like with calisthenics.
>>77149744>>77149894Women at the gyms I go to have better technique for their grade than men.
>>77149985>but you still need chest exercisesnot sure if you mean climbers physiques need more chest exercise or if you need chest exercise to get a climbers physiquebecause almost all climbers do some kind of strength training, usually after climbingit's mostly (weighted) calisthenicspush up variations and pull / chin ups or any other pull up bar exercise have decent chest exposureand that's what produces the typical climbers physiquewhich is more on lean side, but certainly no underdeveloped chestand againthis is really close to women's ideal athletic body for menbut by bodybuilding standards it's far from ideal>your legs will be kinda underdevelopedyesbut also it's not that noticeable, so it doesn't matter as much, you won't look comically imbalancedwith climbing + accompanying strength training you won't (and don't want to) get huge anyway
>>77149744Urine idiot. I'd explain but you wouldn't get it.
>>77150166>yes>but also it's not that noticeable, so it doesn't matter as much, you won't look comically imbalancedAnd if you let your legs atrophy to the point that you can't easily bang out pistol squats anymore, you're severely gimping your climbing abilities.
>>77150425>And if you let your legs atrophy to the point that you can't easily bang out pistol squats anymoreyeah mobility in the legs is far more important than raw strengthalso doing weighted pistol squats already gives you quite well defined legsand (depending on the person) really close to a 3pl8 squat
>>77149894>region of ankle failureHow do the authors define failure? Do you have a sauce?
>>77149894I mean do you really need a study to know what is true?When you're a child you climb trees like it is nothing and you weigh nearly nothing.You're a man suddenly at 180lbs and you have to develop three times the strength as when you were a child, but when your body grew it didn't develop three times the muscle and tendon mass.Women proportionally make great climbers. at 120lbs you can basically fly up anything.
>>77133544This will not happen to you man
>>77132652Speed climbing is better than any other form of climbing.
>>77151246V.V. Venkataraman, T.S. Kraft, & N.J. Dominy (2013). Tree climbing and human evolution, Proc. Natl. Acad. Sci. U.S.A. 110 (4) 1237-1242, https://doi.org/10.1073/pnas.1208717110 >>77151263>I mean do you really need a study to know what is true?Doubt everything. If it's a strong idea, it can withstand an attack, it can be backed up with observations at least one other person has made and written down. If it's an unreliable idea, it crumbles quickly when it's questioned.Assume something is true without questioning it, and you are stuck with weak ideas that have little use of being applied in practice. If a claim can't be backed up, what use is it?Doubt everything, and you'll be left with only the most reliable ideas that have practical use. If you want to argue against them, you'll have to learn more about the subject. Either you learn something you can apply, or you can come up with an even better idea because your understanding will allow you to fill in the blanks.It's like an arena. Only the strongest ideas win and remain, and the weak ideas fall.
>>77151635>posting a leftist blog for what is easily accepted truthI mean have you walked into any rock climbing gym? it is abnormally high in women.It is the largest growing female activity and for solo activities it is basically only beaten by gymnastics.
>>77151655>leftistYou don't have a remote clue about my beliefs.
>>77151682>getting defensivewhoa there xir no need to be upset
>>77149734East Asia is a diverse part of the world. You don't need niggers everywhere to be diverse. My local wall has loads of women, East Asians and South. I see enough lowland gorillas around to not have to go to Africa.>>77149744I think it is far less competitive too.>>77137867This kind of thinking leads to idiots saying things like 'uhm, evolution is just a theory', or refusing to believe something saying 'Well it just hasn't been disproven yet!'. Those animals we evolved from were digging up and eating roots, shall we start doing that too?
>>77132760Kek, really got the dyel climbfags upset with this one.
>>77151690Here's my "political" beliefs: >brownoid migrantsoven>politicians, CEOs, crypto faggots, influencers, onlyfans cuntsuse as fuel to power the oven>people who rely on AI to do their thinkingslave labour. anyone retarded enough to outsource their cognitive skills is good for nothing but menial labour. this would already be the case if AI was actually reliable and accurate, but the fact that AI is fucking garbage and these faggots blindly walk into it makes them borderline oven material>extreme leftoids, extreme rightoids, centrists, anyone adhering to any fixed political ideologyoven>nations, ethnicities, culturesin principle only homogenous, way of life has to be related to the local environment/climate/nature. migration allowed, only if qualifications are met beforehand. straight to oven if they're a nuisance>minorities, separatistsone chance at independence. if it works, it works. if they fuck up and cause problems that affect their old home nation, genocide.>public policybased on biology. humans have biological machinery that is very easy to understand and adapt society to. political ideology is not a consideration. anarchism is not a consideration. financial profit is not a consideration. religion is not a consideration. policymakers assume responsibility, if they fuck up, then oven.>turks, romanians, bulgarians, gypsies, indiansall in the oven, literally worse than shit, parasites, viruses. this filth can not even be considered to be alive. niggers are OK.>scammers, burglars, robbers, pickpocketsoven>trannies, pedophilesoven>gayswhatever, if you spend your time thinking and caring whether someone sticks his cock in another man's ass, you're gay yourself. if you're not, you don't fill your mind thinking about irrelevant shit like that. >educationgeared towards merit and talent. every individual has at least something they are really good at. teacher job is to find it.I'm not defensive about anything. You're a fucking retard.
>>771487591. Apes are 1.5 - 10x as strong depending on species, and can support their entire bodyweight hanging with one arm, whilst doing other tasks comfortably.2. Apes can grip with their feet.3. Ape muscle density and fibre recruitment is upwards of 5x higher, with over sixty percent of their muscle being fast twitch, versus humans 30+/-%. 4. Apes have much shorter legs than arms, unlike us, and with a pelvis unadopted to walking on two legs, or running, which is our speciality.5. You're dumb.
Here's a truffnook for you guys. After you learn some basic technique, climbing is 90% about finger strength. With regards to finger strength, after you get some initial gains like 6 months after you start fingerboarding, you will have hit 95% of your genetic hard cap.
>>77151696>This kind of thinking leads to idiots saying things like 'uhm, evolution is just a theory'Evolution IS a theory. Many of the ideas of evolution don't consistently hold up in practice. There are a maddening amount of lifeforms that don't conform to the common notions of natural selection, but these are always exciting opportunities to learn more about it. "Evolution" as is commonly defined is just a working model, one that always needs to be improved because biology is complex. You want something that's accurate and reliable right? How can it be considered to be accurate and reliable if it's not constantly tweaked and improved? It's not a gospel.>Those animals we evolved from were digging up and eating roots, shall we start doing that too?I mean there is plenty of research on it, if you'd want to try you can look at comparative anatomy of primate digestion. You'd stand a pretty good chance of being able to predict which roots would be safe to eat, which compounds in the roots could be metabolized, which compounds in other types of roots would be harmful of fatal. People that are unable or unwilling to do this research before they attempt to do such a thing are retards, and we should be happy that the problem is taking care of itself if they kill themselves this way.
>>77151721>can support their entire bodyweight hanging with one arm, whilst doing other tasks comfortably
>>77151721>Apes are 1.5 - 10x as strong depending on species, and can support their entire bodyweight hanging with one arm, whilst doing other tasks comfortably.Yes, non-human hominidae are better adapted to climbing than humans.>Apes can grip with their feet.Yes, non-human hominidae are better adapted to climbing than humans.>Ape muscle density and fibre recruitment is upwards of 5x higher, with over sixty percent of their muscle being fast twitch, versus humans 30+/-%. Yes, non-human hominidae are better adapted to climbing than humans.>Apes have much shorter legs than arms, unlike us, and with a pelvis unadopted to walking on two legs, or running, which is our speciality.Yes, non-human hominidae are better adapted to climbing than humans. Incidentally, chimpanzees and gorillas pelvis musculoskeletal morphology is also adapted to bipedal locomotion, far more than any other primate. The fact that we are adapted to it more specifically does not mean that they are unadapted to bipedal locomotion, they are just not as specialized as us. Just like we still have adaptations to climbing in our musculoskeletal morphology and neural architecture, but not as specialized as them.Look, there is limited space on the chromosome for coding. There are a limited amount of mutations that can occur in one generation that results in an individual that can produce viable offspring. Genetic adaptations to different living conditions always come at the cost of other genes because it takes up space on the chromosome. If existing genetic coding is not maladaptive, it is not worth the biological cost of rearranging the chromosome. If there is no environmental pressure that makes having certain traits less likely for an individual to survive and procreate, those genes are not selected against.
>>77151721>>77151788Imagine you have a Porsche, and you want to turn it into an EV. You aren't going to be able to use every type of electric engine, only those that fit into the Porsche. Even as an electric car, a Porsche-based electric car will outperform an urban electric car in a racing scenario, because the Porsche is modelled to be aerodynamic, to have a car body that responds better to torque. But an EV Porsche will still get fucked against a Porsche with a combustion engine.Humans are not built from the ground up, our morphology is not something that popped into existence from a blank slate. The adaptations we have for bipedal locomotion, endurance, emphasis on cognitive development, finger dexterity are built upon the existing "primate architecture" of our ancestors.The fact that we have specifically become adapted to these things does not mean we have become maladapted to climbing. The building blocks for it are still there in the way our nervous system is laid out and the morphology of our musculoskeletal system, and certainly our epigenetic adaptations that occur to climbing. It is certainly likely that the exposure to climbing stimuli activates these epigenetic adaptations, many of which involve nervous system signalling because climbing involves strength exertion, coordination, cognitive problem-solving, increased demands on flexibility, pain tolerance. It shouldn't be surprising that the particular changes in the nervous system (which includes the brain) and physical composition elicit mental states/experience that stand in sharp contrast to a way of life that is very far removed from the way of thinking and moving that provided the biological bedrock for the first hominins to evolve.
How do you even start this? Do you just go to a gym and choose a random wall?
>>77151861Yeah pretty much.
>>77141876Chest gains comes from pushing so that makes it extremely limited in practical executionGymnastics is on top end of it with swimming second i guess and even then both will work your back/shoulders just as much
>>77151744See, this is the issue, a few organisms are hard to explain and suddenly evolution is thrown into the category of 'just a theory' again, despite it being directly observed and proven a million times over.We are able to do a lot of things due to prior evolution, as well as hold semi-redundant organs like the appendix due to evolving away from being able to digest roots and tough vegetation.>>77151747>takes a road monkey to be able to do something a baby orangutan can do.>>77151788Chimps and gorillas do not have the critical pelvic and leg adaptions for running, a key factor of being human. Their attempt at running on two legs is as pitiful as our attempt to climb as they do.Enough separation has occurred to drastically change us, we can't be seen as having an 'ape like base' more so, we are adapted differently and discarded of many convergent traits we may have once shared with a common ancestors millions of years ago.>>77151798We are a new manufacture with some shared legacy items, but it's incorrect to say we are built on that base, as many of those old traits have been discarded and we are thus a very unique and new animal.A better analogy is a manufacturer that builds race cars for tarmac is now building a 4x4 off roader. You have to redesign the chassis(body morphology), wheels(ankle and pelvis anatomy), suspension(tendons and arrangement), engine (brain) and handling (muscle density and insertion) and fuel system (digestive and dietary system). There is nothing left to say is a hangover from the race car than maybe some electronic circuitry.
>>77132863do I understand it correctly that I will achieve absolute happiness only if I go swimming in the ocean and raw dog as many fishes as possible?
>>77151788>>77151798Anthropologist here (PhD, anthropology). The argument confuses ancestral inheritance with functional adaptation. Retaining traits from primate ancestors does not mean humans remain adapted for arboreal locomotion.Comparative anatomy shows the opposite. Humans lack the major climbing specializations present in arboreal apes. Our hallux is adducted, producing a rigid propulsive foot rather than a grasping one. Our phalanges are shorter and straighter, whereas climbing primates have long curved fingers. Limb proportions also shifted strongly toward terrestrial locomotion: humans possess long lower limbs and relatively short forelimbs, the reverse of the pattern in climbing apes.Human bipedalism required major skeletal restructuring. We possess a short basin-shaped pelvis, valgus femur, and S-curved spine, a biomechanical system stabilizing the trunk during habitual upright walking. Apes lack this full suite and therefore show only facultative bipedality, not true locomotor adaptation.The shoulder further illustrates this shift. Apes retain cranially oriented scapulae facilitating suspension. Humans show lateral scapular orientation and humeral torsion, features linked to high-speed projectile throwing rather than climbing.Capability is not adaptation. Many terrestrial animals can climb opportunistically; that does not make them arboreal specialists.The claim about “limited chromosome space” is also incorrect. Evolutionary change commonly occurs through regulatory modifications and gene duplication, not competition for physical genome space.Human evolution therefore represents a clear locomotor transition toward terrestrial endurance locomotion, not retained climbing adaptation.Sources: Lovejoy 1988; Bramble & Lieberman 2004; Carroll 2005; Roach et al. 2013; Pontzer et al. 2009.
>>77152716yes, it is in your 'neural scaffolding'
