Why is it that to be truly strong without the use of steroids, one has to become fat? Having a ton of muscle mass while also being lean enough for abs to show will either take YEARS to do, require drugs, or just amazing genetics.Most guys that are actually strong are just fat fucks, and the reality is that these fat fucks would absolutely manhandle and destroy most bodybuilders and even powerlifters in a sumo match.
ok since you posted lasha, now go ahead and post everyone under his category. They look like normal jacked roiders or very advanced natty with great geneticsAnd for the weight difference, they're lifting x3 their bw sometimes while lasha is like x1.8You can be strong and small, it's just that it's usually a genetic outlier or you're too retarded to figure out the balance
nice fat cope tranny but fat =/= strength. Fat has nothing to do with strength. Strength is about muscle and muscle is not fat.You are a retarded permabulking weak fat moron and everyone despises you.Go back to powershitting your baby weights in the corner
>>77144390>ok since you posted lasha, now go ahead and post everyone under his category.That's not the point. He mogs all of the other dudes under him in terms of lifts.My whole point is that in order to be super strong, you kind of sort of HAVE to be fat, and most men that are natties aren't going to be super strong at lower body fats.
>>77144390op is just a fat moron coping. Theres little 50 kg skinny women that can lift 200 kgs.
>>77144394no you are just a fat retard.
>>77144394why do you keep thinking about fat dudes?
>>77144379>YEARS to do, require drugs, or just amazing genetics.There is an overlap between drugs and genetics called "epigenetics." What genes get upregulated and downregulated in muscle and fat loss/gain is largely known information by now. You can do reverse network pharmacology on those corresponding proteins and modulate many of their expressions with str8 diet/supplements.
all the powershitters in my gym are fat retards. The legit powerlifters are all lean
>>77144394He's strong but he's also heavy so his weight gives him leeway, there's hundreds of guys under him who also clean +200kg but look like twinks next to him This entire discussion is redundant because yeah no shit the heavier guy will always move more weight GRANTED he lifts and/or roids>>77144411Non sequitur you drug addicted tranny go back to your containment thread
>>77144417Correct, powerlifting is a weight class sport so you're prized for being as strong as possible for also being as low of a weight as possible.I do think that almost ALL of them do some type of PED though. Powershitters are more likely to be natty.
>>77144419thats not true at all, all being heavier from fat does is give you a better centre of gravity actually makes it easier to cheat.A lean person doing the same thing is objectively therefore stronger relative to bodyweightand theres a lot of lightweight people who have no problem lifting 4x or more their bodyweight
On a side point, there's things that weight doesn't help with. Exemplifying this is complicated like one would find it hard to give an actual example of "natty limit" considering all the well poisoning there is around. Some guys with great genetics roid too soon, some bloatmaxx too soon so we never know how far they would make it at a healthier weightThings like cleans deadlifts power jerks etc are obviously influenced by weight but i doubt it makes a difference with OHP or curls for example where you're restricted in motion and inherently cant use leverage if you do a strict lift not a push press
>>77144379>without the use of steroidpicture of guy who got popped for PED use...retard.
>>77144426>That's not true>Repeats what i said
>>77144436thats not what you said. The heavier guy will not always be stronger.
>>77144434That's the point, he used PEDs yet was still fat, but people think you can be super strong and super lean without PEDs.Basically people need to come to terms with what is possible as a natty.>>77144411You don't know what you're talking about
>>77144433There's that video of the bodybuilders from the 1940s and honestly that's a better representation of what is achievable natty for most people. The issue is that so many people are on roids that no one knows what is and isn't realistic anymore
>>77144440you can easily strength train to deadlift over 200kg natty as a lightweight person
>>77144419>Non sequitur you drug addicted tranny go back to your containment thread>>77144440>You don't know what you're talking aboutBoomers don't even read pharmacology journals published since the '70s. As an example, if you've got S-tier mineral and anti-diabetic skills, maybe check out...>GSK3 inhibition improves skeletal muscle function and whole-body metabolism in male mouse models of Duchenne muscular dystrophy>https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-024-53886-y
>>77144438If we take the same person with the same training style and just ramp up their diet to get them heavier, are their lifts going to dwindle or increase or stay the same ? Dont answer.
>people who hold all the powershitting records are lean bodybuildersreally makes you think
>>77144447Not only are you a pseudo-tranny drug addict but you're also indian lmao pick a struggle
>>77144456if you feed them a rich protein diet and they gain lean mass it may help, fat is useless. You don't know what you are talking about.Thats different from advocating getting fat.
>>77144458Have another basic bitch epigenetic way to beat the powershitter phenotype.
>>77144463Now read >>77144433 and explain why most of the highest SBD and oly records overall accross weightclasses are held by absolute mass blobs >>77144466We dont give a shit, whatever tranny drug you're pedalling. Go proselytize somewhere else
>>77144444Quints of truth
>>77144475Tom Platz had the squat world record and he doesnt look like a blobwheres the fatties in this vidhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vqALNVRejqs
>>77144486Now google the current world record holder (accross all categories, aka the guy who lifts the most out of all humans), and the 10 people before him.I think you're being autistic and avoiding the point on purpose. Im not OP and im not saying you cant be filthy strong while being normal weight, but it's clear that on some lifts being heavy helps. We're in a hyper-optimization era in sports in general, if gaining 5kg of blubbers means you'll get 0.5kg on a lift over the previous world record holder these guys will 100% go that length
>>77144527>you're autisticinto the trash your post goes, fat retard.
>>77144527https://www.instagram.com/p/DFxtYbnJzGQ/
>>77144536Sorry you're so upset
Having excess bodyfat gives your body a huge buffer of calories/energy so it probably allows you to squeeze more gains out of what training/eating/genetics/ drugs can give you.
>>77144527They understand this they just don't want to admit that the strongest guys look like shit most of the time. It's like they WANT to live in a fake world where you can be 5'9, 155 lbs, and super strong while being natty.
>>77144569>the strongest guys look like shitfat logic
>>77144390>everyone under his categoryyou mean the ones that are "just" on drugs intead of being on PEDS + being fat?
>>77144379>Why is it that to be truly strong without the use of steroids, one has to become fat?he is roiding VERY hard, it's open category so they glutton the fuck out in hopes of better result believing in this idiocy: >to be truly strong one has to become fatit is not true, i am unbelievably strong and when i grab my arse there is very little in my palm, and when i flex glute it all escapes my palm >no you aren't yes i am, straightened 50mm roundbar by raising it overhead and smacking over anvil, i am as good as 20 ton press xD it isn't mild steel - it's got a mark on the face of it - quality steel from forks from front loader, i have done it before but i wasn't able to make it completely straight back then, now it went without fuss cause i got much MUCH stronger and i am just as lean, sure if u want to see EVERY STRIATION then u will lose strenght, but it's like you have tocarry 60 lbs gut around to be strong lol btw i did it with almost bare hands, i could have done it without gloves - the trick is to stop gripping it while it smacks anvil so u won't get the shock of vibrations, just loosely control it
>>77147863>but it's not like you have to carry 60 lbs gut around to be strong lol>i got much MUCH strongerthe shrug i do is with straight spine pulling on rubber up and back, feet parallel, pressure through the inside of the front of the sole and pelvis pushed forward with abs and glute max flex, tucked chin also i credit a lot of my strength to this movement it grows traps and good glutes and is actually postural exercise as well
>>77144379Mass moves mass
>>77144379Those fat guys are also on roids. They just don't bother cutting because why would they.
>>77144390>You can be strong and small, it's just that it's usually a genetic outlier or you're too retarded to figure out the balanceNah, it's common in many sports like gymnastics or track and field. You can train small and strong no problem: High intensity, low volume.
