Have you noticed the new generation of lifters dont ever train to develop a strength foundation anymore? They just go straight into doing pump and fluff exercisesIts like we've gone full circle back to the 2000's again.It seems lifting knowledge peaked in the 2010's, and its just reverted by to retardedness again. As if the 2010's never happened, all that learning was completely wiped.Zoomers unironically replaced weighted chinups for 1-arm cable pulldowns and consider it a massive upgrade.
>>77167570As someone who was there and did Greyskull and 5x5’s I think that by and large the foundational powerlifting programs are fairly useless for the average person who is trying to get jacked, outside of teaching them coordination skills for the major barbell compounds assuming they don’t have any background in athleticism, as the routines are simple and focused on just said compound movements. I do also think that the current trend of Zoomer SBL stuff is often “How little can I do in order to get as much gains as possible”, which I think is also incorrect. The old 3x5 and 5x5 programs kind of incentivize beginners to throw everything to the wayside in order to pursue progressive overload. The natural progression is that one will find themselves widening their grip and arching their back more or using more leg drive because they arbitrarily “need” to put 5 more pounds on the bar this week to progress. There is nothing wrong with powerlifting if big SBD numbers are your goal, but in the 2010s people acted like if you got (x) pounds on the bench press your chest would look a certain way, which just isn’t true. There is correlation between strength and size but they are not mutually exclusive. Use strength periodization and strength techniques if strength is your goal. Focus on treating every exercise as a priority and with the same intensity and accumulating productive volume (which quantity thereof will be individual to you) on exercises with standardized technique if your goal is hypertrophy. Simple as.
>>77167632I really hope this is some copypasta. I'm not reading all that shit.
>>77167632>“How little can I do in order to get as much gains as possible”This is what people have been looking for the whole time honestly. It's why there were so many "what routine should I do" posts on old /fit/, it's not a gen Z thing.
>>77167570Please do not bring your rippletits sickness back to this board I beg of you and your left wing baby faced power lifter friends
>>77167570It's because they aren't lifters. They just do whatever gets them their desired results. It's like trying to explain to a vibe coder who's never written a line of code himself the basics of programming when he's not a programmer and doesn't want to become one.
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>>77167570>do the cheat reps first since it's heavier>idk maybe try a 2hr session between 3-4 different muscles with high rest to keep the weight upIt really is not that difficult. I don't see any impressive natty influences at all though. Roiders are rolling the dice doing weight they didn't earn.
>>77167635How did zoomers become so brainrotted that they're literally incapable of reading more than 2 sentences?
>>77167670Tiktoks and yt shorts have made people retarded and everyone is so averse to discomfort now that it's basically permanent
>>77167570>Zoomers unironically replaced weighted chinups for 1-arm cable pulldowns and consider it a massive upgrade.The fatigue to stimulus ratio on weighted chinups is sux, 1-arm cable pulldowns give you very little fatigue.
>>77167691You can do 1rms on preacher curls if you aren't a roidmonkey.
>>77167570>lifting knowledge peaked in the 2010Strength foundation was a thing in the 70s when Bill Start wrote The Strongest Shall Survive(and it was around long before then, with STRONGmen of the early 20th and even late 19th century)
>>77167570Would you mind posting routine/physique? The reason i ask is physique us a direct indicator of physical condition and if you look good, maybe i will stop my fluff routine and follow yours.
>>77167670why dont you space out your post so it isnt just a block of text
>>77167570Zoomers don't get delayed gratification, they want it now. The doordash generation.
>>77167632Post body
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No one gives a shit. None of you will post body nor will you post your supposed lifts. Do you want to know why ? It's because you're a skinnyfat DYEL in his 30's who spends his time at the gym oggling other men. If you put more time into working out even doing pullups wouldve been beneficial for you
>>77168810Post body
>>77167632You're not wrong, but pursuing strength in a basic 3x5, or 5x5 program means, that at the very least, you get stronger by the end of a traing cycle. The problem with "bodybuilding" type pump and volume traing for nattys is that for many, that shit just doesn't work. For some it does - yay! But everybody will get significantly stronger on a progressive overload [powerlifting program, even if only some will get hypertophy from it. Regardless, at the end of the linear progression stage, everyone will have gained something - strength.You can then take that strnegth and use it to segue into other, more complicated types of programming that may yield hypertrophy. But at least you get strong, which is better than nothing.The first 5 years of my training life were spent pursuing bodybuilding style programs as a natty. I got nothing. 1 year of Starting Strength built more muscle than 15 years of bodybuilding, pumps and machines did in 15 years. I went from DYEL to "look like a bodybuilder" (said by a normie, but still....)
>>77168839>n-n-no you !The fuck ? Am i a psychic ? Man how did i guess that you WONT be posting body or even your lifts.Just being a mentally ill autist about your training, everyone picks whatever they like and if someone doesn't enjoy gymcelling then fine there's 2000 other sport and sport-adjacent endeavors to get inti
>>77167570>Have you noticed the new generation of lifters dont ever train to develop a strength foundation anymore? They just go straight into doing pump and fluff exercisesWhat do you mean by strength foundation? By that, do you mean that someone should focus on 1RMs with barbell compound movements until some arbitrary point before switching to using other tools? Why? There's no biological requirement for it.If I do some faggy cable exercise for 40 reps with X pounds, then in the future I can do 40 reps with X+10 pounds, that is a STRENGTH INCREASE and I have therefore BUILT MUSCLE.
>>77170499Because it only takes about 6 months of strength training to build up lifts where youre stronger than 99.9% of the global population, then u can switch to a traditional bodybuilding split after thatTheres literally zero reason NOT to do it, why would you want to be another generic normie weakling doing pump and fluff without ever being able to lift anything
>>77170510yeah its great until you realize you dont have the test and energy of a highschool senior star football player and no amount of motivational loggorrheas of you being a weak bitch are going to make you progress to the next level of throwing your ass up and down with a super heavy barbell on your back.
>>77170510If I'm not a powerlifter, why should I care about my 1RMs on a few niche exercises? Why should I care what 99.9% of the population can S/B/D?>Theres literally zero reason NOT to do itThe injury risk of powerlifting is higher and it isn't any more effective. If anything, it's less time-efficient.>another generic normie weakling doing pump and fluff without ever being able to lift anythingIf the generic normie does what is biologically required to build muscle, then they'll build muscle. Doing 1RMs on S/B/D is not required and if you're not a powerlifter, the ROI is better with other methods.
>>77170530Boohoo faggot you either want to be jacked or you dont
>>77170536Thanks rippletits you really motivated me to go hit that super retard heavy squat. In no time at all I’ll be obese enough to wrestle the other fat dudes on the highschool football team.
>>77167570Squats and fking bench press won't make ur arms big, preacher curls will help. Treat "accessories" like main lifts period
>>771675701rms and chasing weight when I have a gun and huge arms and aesthetics to fk ur wife after I kill ur fat powerlifting ass small arms fat barrel body underdeveloped everything lol wow u can lift 400 for 2 congrats u fking fgt
>>77167570This is me, fell for the science based lifting crap. Trying to build up my strength now with lower reps.
>>77168693Ok, you next
>>77168883>>77171363
>>77171363those are woman sized clavicula
>>77167950Not that guy but 4channers will call it redditspacing and ignore the post even more.
>>77171363I mog u.
>>77167632Genuine trvke
>>77167632Technically correct information, but not practical and mostly theory. This is how you get guys doing 30lb db rows with straps and wondering why they don't look good unless they cut to 22 BMI. Its also why I am somehow getting complements for doing 4 chest to bar pull-ups in a row. People don't want to do anything. They never did, but all the various 5x5s were structured in a way that they tricked you into doing a lot over time. Sure there are better exercises for aesthetics, but all you need to do is swap some of the exercises you did in the 5x5 for them and follow the exact same process. Most of the exercise science researchers barely go to the gym. You never see before and after's of people who do the studies or what they look like lifting. The rest the context of the training program is ignored. The people doing the studies on hypertrophy are different from the ones who do studies on how people learn new exercises. No one cares about their anerobic conditionin and how it relates to their hypertrophy (or going to failure). They don't care about their joints, tendons, and ligament strength and how it relates to their hypertrophy. They don't care about their mobility and how it relates to their hypertrophy. Its just muscles bigger. Everything has to end with muscles bigger or no one cares.
>>77170530Thats not what happens. I did SS at age 41 and got to 1,2,3,4 in about one year to 18 months. I did have excellent nutrition. This is after years and years of shutty bodybuilding type programming, machine work, pumps, exhaution, etc. You dont do a bunch of 1 rep maxes. You do a program like strting Strength or Greyskull or Madcow or any other reasonmable, linear progresion, progresive overload plan using barbells.Focusing on small exercises like cable crossovers isnt going to do a lot to make you generally larger and generally stronger, even if you do get stronger at cable crossovers.
>>77167950>>77172156Yeah so, thats a telltale sign that you're a fucking retarded brainrotten faggot... So, no. Are you really so fucking infirm and incapable.of keeping track of what fucking line you're on? Saying dumbass shit like this is basically proof you've never voluntarily read a book and are likely clinically retarded and anything you have to say, about anything, can safely be ignored.
>>77172327so double or triple the time. I’m not saying its not possible its just unrealistic for a lot of people to expect it at 6 months and I think a lot of frustration and injuries come from that.
>>77172321>I am somehow getting complements for doing 4 chest to bar pull-ups in a rowThis person will never post body. Remember if a person makes a boastful claim about their appearance or ability, but refuse to back it up, they're either a larping skelly/fatty. It's ironic you called what he said "mostly theory" carry cause you're literally just making shit up.>>77167632This.>>77167570No what happened was people kept learning and realized that, no you do not have to lift for strength to look good.
>>77167570I have seen the opposite actually, atleast the zoomer influencers are very freaky chimp strong, seen a ton of zoomer gimmick acounts saying "strongest teenager", "strongest 16/17/18/19 year old" its pretty based to be honest.Maybe the local common zoomer doesn't do a lot of strength training but they hardly do anything and when they do they hardly seem to know what they are doing.
>>77168869do you still train for strength?
>>77167570the boat rocks back and forth to correct itself. in 2010 it was>SQUATZ AND OATZ>SS/SL>gotta eat big to get big>allergy to the concept of using machinesthere is some wisdom there, but the functional outputs (injuries, fatties, and t-rex mode baby powershitters whose arms were almost as noodly after 6 months of training as when they began) didn't agree with the intended outputs (looking hotter so as to fuck more women). so now we have>LEAN IS LAW>3x12 PPL>200 calorie surplus>allergy to the concept of squats and deadlifts>>77167632high IQ post, progressive overload is important (especially for newbies) but the obsession with needing to 5 more pounds on the bar every lifting session, exclusively doing exclusively mechanically technical compound lifts, did equal parts harm and good
>>77171749excuse my unflexed abs this is a screenshot between poses, I have fairly broad shoulders anon.
>>77167570I don't know what any of the lifts are, and frankly I don't give a shit. I do barbell squats, bench, and lat pulldowns. If that's not enough, I don't care. This shit is tedious, and if I wasn't worried about losing weight then I'd nothing bit running.
>>77168800I wish Kike RippeTits death.
>>77172329 basado
>>77167955doordash generation? are u implying doordash is fast??? those africans do like 4 orders at once and bring yours last, u will wait like an hour and your food will be cold.
>>77173162And almost zero upper pec muscle.
>>77167570>Have you noticed the new generation of lifters dont ever train to develop a strength foundation anymore?Because strength foundation is a meme.>It seems lifting knowledge peaked in the 2010'sHahaha wtf man. 2010s lifting "knowledge" is 100% bullshit. We're just leaving the fitness dark ages right now.
>>77168869>The problem with "bodybuilding" type pump and volume traing for nattys is that for many, that shit just doesn't workIt works for literally everyone.>even if only some will get hypertophy from it.Nobody gets hypertrophy from it. Guess why high intensity low volume powerlifting style exercises are used in track sports? Because you need performance without size, since any additional bodyweight would be bad for your sport.>The first 5 years of my training life were spent pursuing bodybuilding style programs as a natty. I got nothing. 1 year of Starting Strength built more muscle than 15 years of bodybuilding, pumps and machines did in 15 years. I went from DYEL to "look like a bodybuilder" (said by a normie, but still....)Protip: You just got fat and wrongly think body mass = muscle mass.
>>77170510>Theres literally zero reason NOT to do itYou train your body for low volume workouts which is the opposite of what you want to get jacked. >why would you want to be another generic normie weakling doing pump and fluff without ever being able to lift anythingThose guys are strong, healthy and look good. You guys are marginally stronger and look like shit. Gee, which would the average guy prefer?
>>77174466>You guys are marginally stronger* in three autistically specific lifts, and likely weaker in all others
>>77173034Yes. I do compete in powerlifting and I am vain, in terms of I need to feel very strong. I have self esteem issues. I also try to look good, so I do accessories. But it does work.
>>77174460It literally does not. I said I did it for 15 years before discovering Starting Strength, then linear progression with barbell traing to get stronger finally caused hypertophy, after I got stronger in the big lifts. Perhaps it works fr the right half of the bell curve, but for the other half of us, strnegth is a better goal if you want to get big. I never talked about volume. Were talking about building a strnegth base, then using that to build hypertrophy. Also, hypertrophy can be built with lots of lower rep sets. The volume from the traing session stays the same, but with greater intensity, more strnegth. 8 sets of triples with 125 pounds is more volume than 3 sets of 10 with 90 pounds. If volume builds hypertrophy (and arguably it does), then do more sets with a heavier weight.
>>77168869>The problem with "bodybuilding" type pump and volume traing for nattys is that for many, that shit just doesn't work. For some it does - yay! But everybody will get significantly stronger on a progressive overload [powerlifting programSo let me get this straight: You did a "bodybuilding" routine without progressive overload, even though that's biologically required to build muscle. Then you failed to see results from it, and somehow that's bodybuilding's fault?>>77174521>Were talking about building a strnegth base, then using that to build hypertrophyThere is no such thing as "building hypertrophy". You can "cause" hypertrophy with any exercise and in any rep range.
>>77167635Look, a zoomer. Hahaha.
>>77172329just dont bitch about why people dont read your posts if you make it harder than it needs to be
