So what? What's the actual downside of using a belt to squat/DL every single time?
I dont squat anymore and i dont use it on deadlifts since my morphology is tailored perfectly for them, so now instead of buying a calisthenics belt i just shoved and wrangled a chain in the 4th pair of holes and use it as a calisthenics beltI use it while doing push press too
It’s a crutch
>>77170266it makes you look gay
>>77170266You're artificially giving yourself more spinal stability than you really have. Your lift progresses but you make a bottleneck/imbalance that basically guarantees an injury sometime when it's not being worn. It's the same reason why prescribing a back brace to someone for chronic pain is fucking retarded.
>>77170266You're letting the weakest part of the lift get weaker by applying external abdominal pressure when you should be training back extensions and good mornings for a balanced physique. Grip strength gets grotesque after +250lbs crushing pressure so Im more forgiving regarding wrist straps
>>77170279>basically guarantees an injury sometime when it's not being worn.Then always wear it when lifting.
>>77170266It means you're an ego liftinf retard that cares more about big numbers than doing things right and having a body that can move and perform well without assistance. Your dumbass is gonna try lifting something thats a fraction of your working weight and massively throw out your back. Lol. Seriously. I've seen a dude picking up a fucking sock off the floor slip a disk cause of this.
As mentioned before: if your abdominal muscles and back can't handle the weight, you need to target those weaker areas first. I can understand wrist wraps for grip, but then again, that is just a signal to train ypur grip more. Using belt as an artificial core aid is just asking for hernia or fucked spine.>hurr I'll just use it every time thenAnd then one time when you'll be forced to do some everyday lift like moving furniture without it you'll go to snap city
>>77170266gives me chest pain
>>77170307>And then one time when you'll be forced to do some everyday lift like moving furniture without it you'll go to snap cityIf I actually had to lift a piece of furniture solo that was comparable to the weight I deadlift I'd wear a lifting belt then too, I don't care if it looks stupid. Lifting a 415lb piece of furniture alone is what's actually stupid.
>>77170266What's the point of using a crutch to move more weight other than massaging your own ego
>>77170275>>77170280To me this was common sense, even before reading about the technical downsides. So I'm bamboozled as to how they're so popular with respected, hardcore and knowledgeable powerlifting guys. I could be wrong but I think even Louie prescribed them. And no, it's not because of competing, because these guys advocate the importance for real strength, and a healthy, balanced structure in every day life and movements
>this whole threadThe absolute state of /fit/
>>77170291>t. saw some poor fuck throw his back out and concocted some /fit/autist headcanon as to why
>>77170266thicker core. matter if you compete aesthetically for a living
>>77170266It’s the reason I got a hernia. During DL warmups the belt went under my ribs for no reason at 120kg and blew out my abs. No clue how it happened but couldn’t move. The next day my belly button was outwards and I needed to call an ambulance.
>>77170404This board is full of browns and dyels that don't lift. Of course they don't know how or why to use a belt.
>>77170386Warm up without it, but if you are lifting maximally, you don't want your point of failure to be your spine. Proper bracing with a belt still trains the core to be strong. It probably trains it better because you have something to brace against. So long as you are using it correctly and have good bracing.
>>77170266unless you're lifting world record weights you will look like a complete fag
>>77170568Well I hecking WANT to know if the point of failure is my spine thank you very much haha. Maybe I'll find out when I'm showing off to a Lithuanian goddess lifting up the back end of her car hoping she'll put my Penis in her mouth afterwards. And if it is a weak something is a weak point I can focus on fixing it.Make training hard so every day life is easy. No vice vera
As a former powershitter who squatted 6 plates with a belt and recently switched to oly lifting, I can tell you I feel like more of a Chad squatting less weight with no belt a2gClarence was right all along
>>77170587>I feelnobody cares about your feelings, you look like a weak sissy faggot doing anything less than 4pl8 on a squat
>>77170791you look like a diapered baby lifting with your widdle belt
>>77170266the weight you're lifting doesn't justify using them.
>>77170285Hey man, can you help me move this desk?>Sure bro, let me just grab my lifting beltWhat? Why? Dude, just lift it>Nah, yeah, but lemme just get-We're carrying it like 20 feet that way, just pick it up>Uh....um....o-ok....>*SNAP*
>>77170830>interprets "when lifting" as "literally any instance where you have to pick something up"ESL or bot?
The strongest Powerlifters, weightlifters, bodybuilders, strongman competitiors and even all the Crossfit fags wear them for a reason: they help make you strong.Even if you cant lift as much without them, as you can with them, how is that a concenr? If your belted 1 RM max is 405, dont try to lift 405 without your belt. Go ahead and pickup the 85pound lawnmower - you should be fine. In the meantime, enjoy the hypertrophy associated with lifting greater weights.Barbell medecine did a depp plunge into all the research on ths topic, and its all pretty poorly conducted. But the conclusion is that it either has no effect on overall strnegth or makes you slightly stronger. The key is that the belt is not a cast that passively immobilizes your torso, rather its a force that your abs and torse actively engage with/against. As you get stronger, your ability to generate pressure and push against the belt also increases.
>>77170874>believes muscles are only engaged in the gymDYEL, guaranteed
>>77170333This. Nothing I lift IRL approaches my gym maxes under ideal conditions nor could I lift a 4pl8 couch by myself if I wanted to. I'm not a competitive powerlifter, using a belt in my training lets me progress my baseline strength faster. It doesn't matter if I'm only 90% as strong without a belt if using a belt got me to be 25% stronger than if I'd been training without it.
>>77170959>squatting 4 plates with a belt at the gym means you need a belt to lift light furnitureYou're a retard
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>>77170266People say it's cope because your back is weak and to just train back, but in reality passed a certain point your core and abs get so strong that they push out your vertebrae in the back. The belt is essentially there to give your spine something to push up against. Yes there's a sense of artificiality, because squatting or DLing over 3-4-5pl8 isn't natural or what your body is made to do. You're already going outside of your arcs by lifting heavy. Might as well not be a retard and wear a belt.
>>77170266I wear it to make sure I'm bracing. Had a few issues in the past where I would release the brace for half a second and tweak something. Belt makes it brainless. I don't think it weakens you at all, if anything you're engaging your core properly more often because it forces you to.
>>77170830yeah... because desks are so hard to carry right?
>>77170830For what it's worth, professional movers use lifting belts. It probably doesn't mean anything, because those kinds of jobs aren't done by people trying to be the best, they're done by people trying to buy vape and pay rent. Not exactly optimising more than they need to. Anyway, I presume they at least understand they'll get more work and less pain out of it.
>>77170307>when you'll be forced to do some everyday lift like moving furnitureAh yeah when you put 500 lbs of furniture on the tippy top of your spine and lean forward to squat it down and up.
>>77170279t. doesn't understand what he's sayingWhat 'stabilizes your spine.' Maybe the muscles around your spine?How does a belt work? By letting the muscles against your spine 'brace' against it.Does that make those muscles do LESS work, or MORE work?Anyone?>>77170291Imagine being this stupid and EVER opening your mouth. The irony is, if you were a little smarter, your life would just be constant sources of embarrassment.
>>77170557Hernies are genetic retard. Your babby weight DL did not cause it.
>>77170890>Someone with a triple digit IQ>on /fit/Is it your first day or something?
>tfw i set a new PR but some autist on /fit/ told me it didnt count because i didnt do the lift how he wanted me to
>>77170266You should always warm up without a belt and then it's totally fine to use one 80% and above all the timeT. 3+/4atg/5+ lean natty
>>77170815GOT 'IM
Straps and belts are great tools if you've been lifting for over 5 years. The problem is people dont know when to use them. I have no joke seen people use straps on a 40kg bench and 60kg deadliftyou can go very far with your own body
>>77173387>straps on benchThey must be trying to kill themselves
>>77173390Yeah I've got no idea what they were thinking
I bench press 2pl8 with a belt then took it off and couldn't bench it again
>>77170266Do you even need a belt if you're squatting less than 500 lbs? Deadlifting less than 600?
>>77170266If you have a long torso and get stress from squats or deadlifts in your lower back you should always wear one. No amount of muscle or strength is going to make up for mechanical leverages causing that. More sensibly you should find alternatives to squat and deadlift instead since this is a flimsy thing to put that much trust in. Take a peep at the endless bitching from people here who have herniated a disc you don't want that.
>>77170967>My office and home has lightweight furnitureUh oh.
A lot of people use belts wrong and never learn to actually brace as a result.The belt adds a little stability and helps you know when you're braced enough. It's supposed to be a little loose before you take in your breath to brace with, not cranked as tight as possible right at the start.The belt also does little to protect your back. That comes from, guess what, having a strong set of back muscles, including the lower back that everyone avoids directly training because they think their spine will explode. Belts are good tools and can help you move more weight, with all the benefits that brings, but people have this weird idea that they make you immune to injury or that they make it okay to neglect your core and lower back.
>>77173467>helps you know when you're braced enoughI just started using one recently and this was my main takeaway. Helps me stay tight through the bottom of the squat which helped me way more than I thought it would. My ROM feels a lot better too, I'm less apprehensive to go properly deep.
Anyone else feel kinda cute when they wear one? The way it cinches the waist I guess. Just me?
>>77173467I'm 6' 2" (188cm).Will this help me?Should I be doing squats and deadlifts a lot?I'm about 215lbs and my health is focused around cardiovascular endurance.
>>77173524You should be lifting a little. Basically any form of aerobic exercise is going to benefit from being a bit strong, mostly in the form of injury prevention. Lifting a little improves quality of life a lot; it's just easier to do stuff (yard and house work etc.) when you're strong.You don't have to squat and deadlift but you should do some variation of them. Unilateral movements (bulgarian split squat, single leg RDL) might be even better and they take less bracing so you won't need a belt and will only need some dumbells.
>>77170966>baselineIf you need a belt, thats not your base, you colossal fucking retard.
>>77173407Fix your posture
>>77173524You should do squats and deadlifts every now and then even if you aren't super focused on lifting big numbers. The movements will help you develop the ability to brace strongly, which helps basically any time you need to exert a lot of force. A belt is a tool that helps lock in your brace and lets you feel when your brace is good, but plenty of people do just fine without one or think it feels weird to lift with one. Try it out sometime and see what you think.
