>reduce training volume by 90%>break the world recordHow is this possible?
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>>77170305Most competitors at his level are also on the juice too though.
>>77170296This is a very specialized event, namely a very short burst of power, heavily cns taxing. Its difficult to properly train for due to it being so fatiguing, and a lot of people would do a ton of junk volume for technique and a lot of that would go to waste, not to mention a lot of swimmers focus on many events, basically you should go all in on your goal, ask how do you get better at something? do it again and again, what if you can't cause its too taxing well i guess you wait till you can is the philosophy
>>77170296Shitness influencers keep stressing rest but dont realize how rest isnt just sleeping 10 bazillion hours, it's also doing fuck all the next day or two after training like actually nothing just chilling then doing an intense sesh and repeating
>>77170320Supposedly the new evidence is that doing hard efforts on all your training days is also less effective for building strength than mixing in an equal amount of long, easy effort training sessions.
>>77170320Even doom scrolling in bed is supposed to be a medium-tier CNS workout, worse than reading a book etc
>>77170296He's probably a freak too. If you are all for S-O-YENCE based training then you have to have a control group to isolate the training method factor contribution.
>>77170320When I was preparing for a power lifting competition, the day before the competition I spent the whole day completely resting by watching Strike Witches for the first time and I felt like it helped, I did absolutely nothing that actually required mental effort or willpower for one day.
>>77170296The 50m is a completely different beast from other swimming events. How good you are largely comes down to genetics and form. You need lots of fast twitch fibers, you need to be tall, you need to have certain proportions. And yeah if you're optimizing for the 50, then traditional conditioning is not important. If you want to race the 100 you need volume though.
>>77170338That would tell you that a person who is in the first group is overtraining and should reduce frequency.
>>77170296Rest is what builds muscle.More rest builds more muscle, up to the point where atrophy begins.The point where atrophy begins is further out, after a hard workout, than most people think.
Last week I thought I'd really messed up. I took four days off from gym because I was feeling a little off in my head and being a lazy bitch. When I went back last night I hit PRs on my chest stuff, which is particularly difficult for me. I felt guilty so I all 5 sections of my workout instead of 3.5 of them. I weighed one pound more and can still see my abs so maybe I gained a pound of muscle? I'm sore as hell but did I just accidentally did something smart? I am a little off in the head and workout mostly for existential dread reasons. For comparison I only usually take one day off at a time and NEVER more than two unless I'm hurtpic not related
>>77170296>THIS GUY DID SEMEN RETENTION AND WON THE GOLD MEDAL OF MUH OLYMPICS! CAUSALITY IS REAL!
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>>77170714dunno if he liar
>>77170296>follow basic logic>win olympic eventWe've know this for decades, like how olympic sprinters only train baseline cardio for 99% of the year so they don't have to completely start from couch to running.Only to load up like a literal month before the event.
>>77170826He basically cut out almost all endurance work and focused entirely on intensity.Just like Usain Bolt, who at most did like a lactic acid training session with easy 200m runs. That is the most amount of "low-intensity" he did which is not low-intensity at all.Like, if you do powerlifting you will feel that 10 reps or even 20 rep sets have its uses from time to time, but 100 rep sets will always be useless for powerlifting no matter how you spin it.But traditional training methods for rowing and swimming look similar, the actual event takes like 10-30 seconds, but the training is 90% endurance based that trains slow twitch fibers.Olympic lifters and sprinters know this, hence they do a minimal amount of aerobic work, just to stay in shape.
>>77170831Why are you responding to me?I literally said everything you just said.
>>77170841Just didn't want to respond to scroll up to OP. Don't you get dopamine hits from the (you)?
>>77170296I'm guessing that the 50m in swimming is analoguous to 60m in running - as in it's a freakish idiosyncratic distance and noone really gives much of a shit about it. Granted it's in the olympics unlike the 60m running, but swimmers would be training for 100m also so need the volume. No sport or skill worth a damn is going to be turned on its head overnight with some one weird trick. Also - roids.
this is extremely obvious. why the fuck would you swim for 3 hours everyday at a slow as fuck pace relative to what you want to actually do in the race. it's like cutting down an entire forest to get to the magic tree in the middle instead of using your brain to traverse the forest and reach the treewhat would actually help you in short distance swimming: practicing the event itself, practicing technique and efficiency (I guess swimming for hours everyday slow is like a retarded way to eventually do this), training explosivity (muscle ups etc)before you @ me look at how short distance sprinters train ( practice event, practice technique, practice explosiveness)
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>>77170854it's a rich white people thing to turn any intensity based sport into an endurance onethe same problem exists in rowing too for some reason
>>77170845God no, I am in desperate need for organic conversation. Every day has become the same thing and I'm no longer getting new information from anything.Every time someone talks to me I just get hit with that "yeah I get it" feeling.Sorry for lashing out at you, you didn't deserve that.It has become a legitimate problem though, my friends will talk about video games or some shit (we are about to go play Tennis) and everything they talk about I feel like that bitch from Misery>do you all have amnesia I feel like i'm taking crazy pillsbecause I swear it's the same conversation I had with someone else weeks or even years before.
>>77170860No I get you. It's like you give advice to people, and then they act like it was theirs all along and start lecturing you on it.It's very real. But in all honesty, don't expect much "social skills" on an anonymous image board filled with outcasts and autists. It has its ups and downs. But I don't think your going to get the uno-reverse card on this site though. That is something normies do. Autists that have hurt egos will usually lash out, not act all sophisticated like that.Btw I feel like we need to start taking it easier. Don't know how, as I'm restless as ever, but hope you can figure out a way to chill man. For me, my body can relax but my mind feels like battery acid all the time. Being on edge like this just sucks and is no way to live. Hope I'm not being preachy here.
>>77170296Fast twitch muscle fibers improve with rest.Basically we have type A muscle fibers or slow twitch fibers which use oxygen as fuel, exert low amount of force and fatigue slowly, then we have fast twitch muscle fibers which are roughly devided in 3 groups, type 2a, type 2b and type x.Type 2a are a hybrid fiber that uses both oxygen and glycogen as fuel, produce significant force and faitgue moderately quickly, lifting weights mostly use this muscle fiber.Type 2b fibers are significantly stronger but fatigue vert quickly and are typically the fibers uses in sprints, jumps and any explosive activity, they only use glycogen as fuel so they fatigue very fast.Type x is an even stronger type but humans very rarely have this muscle fiber and when they do is in very small percentages, for examples top athletes are found to have about 2% of this super fiber while wild animals have up to 60% of this type of fiber.This specific type of fiber is unironically build by sleeping and resting which is why animals tend to sleep so much, the theory is that since you are resting so much the body uses its resources on this fiber just in case.Training has also been found to shift type x fibers and type 2b to type 2a fibers and rest after a training intervention causes those 2 types to develop to compensate.
>>77170858yeah I will say rowing is in a weird spot where it's longer than a typical sprint and shorter than long distance (2km row for elite rowers like around 6 mins). I agree training for 1.5 hour sessions (2x45 mins sometimes more everyday) for a 6 min event just intuitively seems retarded and I bet at some point a rower will turn this training on its head with shorter training sessions and more explosive and strength based training. the reason this hasn't happened yet I think is due to this training entrenched among coaches and fact that it's a team sport, so elite athletes gonna be training with a team so hard to experiment for them. probably a single sculler at some point will mog everyone by actually training for the event
>>77170875Interesting anon, I had read some muscle biopsy studies of top-level athletes and the only athletes with a large amount of type 2b fibers were sprinters. Interestingly, olympic lifters and powerlifters have predominantly type 2a fibers, so does that mean slow-gear strength is 2a mainly? Or rather that they do too much accessory work, making their muscle fibers convert to 2a?
>>77170881I sure hope so, I don't want to sound narcissistic and claim that people turn intensity based sports into endurance because they are pussies, but I think there is a certain truth to it. Namely, purely training for intensity is pretty boring, but when you can make the sport a lifestyle that you perform everyday for hours it sounds more interesting. The hobby becomes a healthy and socially acceptable way of escaping inner turmoil.And I'm not hating on endurance sports, if one day I change my mind I might even turn 180 degrees into the direction of endurance and prepare for a tour de france, it seems like a lot of fun to experience at least once. Outside in fresh air, pushing the body to its limits.
>>77170883The latter most likely.Training volume makes fibers shift to more endurance base fibers precisely because the volume makes you need more endurance while lower volume super explosive training shifts to 2b fibers which are the ones that are going to make you more athletic, however humans will usuall6have a higher ratio of type 2a than type 2b and very very rarely have type x.Basically the more you train the more endurance you need but having a hard training period followed by a long rest period with still some low volume high intensity training will make those fibers develop to compensate.
>>77170296Told ya
Swimmers train like retards. I had to sit through my kids languidly swimming lap after lap after lap for minutes on end for events that last less than about one minute or less. I was already balls depp in powerlifting and weightlifting competition by then, and the traing methodlogies were so stupid. But becasue I was not a swimmer, nobody listened to me. See also - eating fruit (liver storage only) between races instead of glucose or dextrose.
>>77170599>so maybe I gained a pound of muscleno, you just recovered more than usual. People at my gym constantly have stories about how they took a week off and then came back and hut PRs on everything, acting surprised as if that's not well-understood peaking protocol.
Dude on my rest days I do nothing, not even use the toilet. I just shid my pants and let it sag behind me as I walk to get more food to recover, you want to be a champ right?skiddies aside, shits cash
>>77170854Swimming requires extreme yardage to get good. It's like speaking a foreign language. People that don't swim hours every day look like dogshit in the pool and they're slow as fuck. Cam has many many years of 2x/day 6k yard practices under his belt, probably decades. He's decided to specialize in the 50 free which requires a lot more power than the other events and he has the muscle memory and endurance that allows him to do this. It sounds ridiculous to people that don't swim, but swimming isn't a normal sport.
>>77170296Heart rate variability optimization
>>77170894So to train for 2b fibers, one has to train infrequently by design? Does this type of training have different protein/carbohydrate requirements compared to more traditional muscle-building styles of training? We can see with sprinters, especially with the era before roids were so widely used, that they actually are quite small, more like a beach body compared to the 8% extremely ripped physiques we see on sprinters today, does this mean 2b muscle fiber training is not optimal for maximum muscle mass if that is the goal? And if we employ this infrequent intense style of training, does that mean we are better off ignoring isolation movements because the low volume doesn't really allow for much variation anyway?I can also put this into Gemini, but I wonder what you have to say about this or some of this. I appreciate your efforts.
>>77170945Getting better at jogging doesn't make one better at sprinting, they require different movements. I can only imagine that slow swimming and explosive swimming are much different in technique as well. It doesn't make sense to "instill" slow moves into the nervous system with swimming either.
>>77170951I wouldve gave a toughtful answer but then i read what seems to be your admission of frequently using AI and now im reluctant if i should post this or wait a few hours and give you an answer that will make you tear your shit.
>>77170958Unfortunately anon, even though I respect you and your knowledge, I do believe in the usefulness of AI even if it is just to gain a different perspective. If that is a dealbreaker for you then that is fine by me and I respect your opinion on the topic considering the controversy around AI.If you do decide to change your mind then I am very willing to learn from you regardless. I would love it, even.
>>77170951that is the idea of split style training. You can lift four times a week but you only actually hit the same muscle groups 1 or 2 times in that period.
>>77170953>Getting better at jogging doesn't make one better at sprintingIf you literally never walk then it would help. Swimming is an unintuitive activity. This is very obvious if you watch an adult that hasn't swam most of their life next to an adult that has done competitive swimming. You don't just sorta practice the technique, connections need to be made in your brain and this requires thousands of hours.>slow swimming and explosive swimming are much different in technique as wellThey're similar enough that someone that trains distance swimming would metaphorically rape anyone that simply "trained for sprinting technique" and lifted weights in a 50 free.>doesn't make sense to "instill" slow moves into the nervous system with swimming either.I think you're completely out of touch with what swimming technique is. The differences between sprinting and slow swimming are very small and good swimmers can naturally do both as the technique difference basically comes down to kicking harder and throwing your arms forward as fast as you can in the recovery phase. If you're actually interested in this I would encourage you to sign up at your local club and see how far training for the 50 free without putting in yardage will get you.
>>77170974Okay I believe you, but I'm not fully convinced yet. Most of these Olympic level swimmers already swim for years and are used to swimming from childhood (where they most likely started taking it serious when they were teenagers). So besides the occassional session to keep technique fresh, why do most of them still do so much endurance work then? It's not like they didn't swim at least 10 hours a week as teenagers, at least the serious ones?
>>77170977They still swim other events. This is required if you swim in college because of how scoring works, they want you out there placing so the team can win. The next distance is the 100 and that requires endurance which requires lots of yardage. They swim way less than distance guys, who will swim 7-10k yards per practice, but it's still like 5k yards. They will also lift for a couple of practices per week while the distance guys swim. So the answer to your question is they CAN do this, or at least Cam can, because he only cares about the 50 and he's fast enough that he can do this.
>>77170984Well this seems more like a stretch to me, let's say he also needed to perform 100meter, well that doesn't mean that he should perform his old routine again? This one also can be optimized such that endurance is minimized, the distance is objectively short (considering bodily energy systems, not swimming distance). It still relies heavily on 2a fibers. So why do so much endurance? That's like asking a 400m guy to train like a 5k guy. Still doesn't make sense to me.
>>77170986I don't know the science behind it. But I can tell you as a guy that sprinted in college, they're different. The real jump is between 100/200m, but the 100 is long enough that you can get gassed hard on the last 25m if you try to pull the shit Cam is (apparently) doing. It's entirely possible you could optimize it down to like 3-4k meter/yard practices once a day, but I wouldn't go lower for the 100 unless I was tapering.
>>77170984So basically you've admitted it's not optimal for short distances and only done because of the culture of swimming and the fact most are on a team and made to do these retarded workouts. Also yes agree with >>77170986. 100m also is comparable to 400m running which training high mileage to get better at would be highly inefficient
>>77171005>you've admitted it's not optimal for short distancesI never disputed this. Obviously if the guy says this style helped him get the WR, then it worked. I made the point that it only works for him because he has many many yards under his belt. You can't just do this shit from the beginning and be a good sprinter.
>>77170296I bet 99,999999% of pro coaches in any sport are complete retards.https://simplifaster.com/articles/400-sprint-feed-the-cats/
>>77170897>>77170714for building muscle more volume is better thoughhave you seen his program?it's literally a powerlifting routineif less volume/higher intensity meant more muscle growth, powersharters would look like bodybuilders, and bodybuilders would be doing powerlifting routines
>>77171013I think swimming for hours everyday is a highly inefficient method to improve technique, shorter workouts while engaging your mind and breaking down and focusing on technique would yield better results quicker wrt to technique than 3 hours everyday of laps. running sprinting workouts tend to be short, focusing on technique highly at the start and while warming up and then ending with some high intensity sprintsI think this would be superior than current methodologies employed, it would logically result in more efficiency and is more specific to the event
>>77171032Then train for it yourself or find some kids to train. If you're right there's money to be made.
>>77171025Neither Mentzer nor Yates, who perfect his program, trained like powershitters tho. Poweshit lifts only help with powershitting, while Mike trained in incline benching, barbell curls, overhead extensions etc. and Yates went on record saying he got his legs from leg press and extension, back from nautilus pullovers and close grip pulldowns which again, are not powerlifting.
>>77171078Perfected* fuck sake it’s late
>>77170296I stopped by 100%, i must be superman
>>77170296One man spoke of this...(also she was probably on an unbelievable amount of sauce)
>>77170320I was thinking of reducing my lift sessions from 6 to 3 per week and see if I notice any more gains
>>77170296Swimming is always treated as an endurance sport
Please read: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bioenergetic_systems
>>77171182He was on about as much as everyone else back then which is a lot but not by modern standards
>>77171025Most retarded post I've ever seen.
>>77170599Read the mentzer book nigga
>>77170897completely different from what is described in op's post, retard.literally nobody supports mentzer's 2 days workout schedule, especially not people on gear.fucking waste.
>>77170296Whilst there may be merit to his training we have to remember this is a sample size of 1. He may just be a genetic elite who was going to take the title anyway.>>7717084650m in swimming is 100m in running, many swimmers chose to either take 1 breath or none throughout the course of the race. And they are all roiding anyway and they did that untested event a few years ago where the guy blasted to hell and he couldn't beat the record.>>77170897This nigga made all his gains from conventional lifting and roids then told everyone else to do high intensity zero volume go to the gym once every week, completely discredited himself if you want to cite a non insane person with his ideology use Dorian.
When will people learnThe general principles he espoused were and are right
>>77170296So 30 minutes of full body 3x a week was right all along?
>>77170296Sounds like feed the catsTldr>american high school sprint coach>gets shit results doing what everyone does (high volume, miles around the track, hard workouts etc.)>decides to drop all of that and refocus sprint training on warmups + drills + one or two max sprints + that's it>begins having successWhy?>less work attracts naturally better athletes>most of the stuff they were doing was just busywork and didn't contribute to actual sprint abilitySounds like this swimmer did the same thing, dropped the endless laps and shit and just did max effort sprints between full recovery
>>77171470Stay small
>>77170860Primary function of verbal communication is emotional regulation not information exchange. Information is just a wrapping.
Is a fast 50m swim relevant to muscle building though? Because let's be real, 99% of /fit/ are here to get big, not break speed records.
>>77170296Swimmers do a stupid shitton amount of volume.Basically those who become pro swimmers are those who simply can endure the most training sessions without their shoulders blowing up, there's no skill or talent needed, just top 0.001% shoulder genes worldwide.
>>77170296I have been lifting like a maniac since early january with almost no days off and i've been overtrained and feeling very fatigued, and i didn't even take a deload and i try to cope by drinking 3 cups of coffee a day
>>7717154450minutes max, warmup includedYes
>>77171025>More volume is heckin good you seeSkele thinks it's strong. Embarrassing
>>77171831I would argue that x3 full body is still a lot. I would do something like Upper/Lower/Upper x3 per week
>>77171837You dont understand training
>>77172221Lower x3 stimulates too much fatigue, unless you lower the intensity which is not good or split quad/hamstrings. But once a week lower is enough
>>77172231Monday and friday squatWednesday deadliftIt aint that complicated chief
>>77171020nice article thanks for sharing
>>77170296Not saying it doesn't have anything to do with roids or other alternative methods but I totally get it.Changed my workouts three months back after doing 4-5 sets with 3 minute rests for a decade or so and I've been seeing results ever since. Doing a maximum of 3 sets per exercise with 2 minute rests while training to extreme failure at 9-12 reps and it's crazy how my body is still responding to the stress like I just started with the change.I've heard of some bodybuilders like Mentzer saying less can be more but at least for me, it more than works>>77170338Really depends on whether you want to build mass or not though. If you want to build mass, you really need some sort of training to failure method
>>77170951Sorry for the delay i didn't check the thread again till now>So to train for 2b fibers, one has to train infrequently by design? Not necessarily, you can have infrequent training or low volume training, i think low volume training with occasional higher volume would be best for athletes because most sports require some endurance so while having infrequent training would develop 2b fibers more, it would also fatigue way faster, basically one explosive burst or two and you're done, even in sprinting Usain bolt for example used to do weighted flying sprints where he would build up the acceleration phase from way behind and run at top speed for longer which would allow him to sustain his top speed while the rest slow down for focusing on the acceleration phase.>Does this type of training have different protein/carbohydrate requirementsTo be entirely honest idk the answer to this one, since 2b fiberd use exclusively glycogen my assumption is that having higher reserves of glucose would benefit this fiber but idk.>Does this mean 2b muscle fiber training is not optimal for maximum muscle mass if that is the goal? It actually depends on the intent of the training, 2b fibers are the bigger and strongest fibers so those are developed by lifting very heavy but since those fatigue quickly if you do a high volume hypertrophy/strength program your ratio of 2b fibers would shift to 2a since those have better endurance qualities but if you do lower volume, high intensity hypertrophy training then you would still have a decent ratio of 2b fiberd to 2a fibers.The same fibers that make you athletic make you jacked but the difference is that hypertrophy doesn't make you athletic and vice versa but they use the same fibers.>does that mean we are better off ignoring isolation movements because the low volume doesn't really allow for much variation anyway?Yes its better to focus on compounds when doing low volume
>>77171544As long as the intensity matches yeah.
>>77171020>I bet 99,999999% of pro coaches in any sport are complete retards.True. It's the same everywhere, even at the elite levels. Experts and pros are fucking stupid in the majority of cases, and I'm talking MAJOR FUCKING STUPID. Unironically, some farmer from bumfuck, nowhere would make a better coach just by using common sense.
>>77171020>>77172434When will we get AI coaches that are too problematic, so they have to be lobotomized to promote DEI?
>>77172347>The same fibers that make you athletic make you jacked but the difference is that hypertrophy doesn't make you athletic and vice versa but they use the same fibers.In the future, you can just say "there is a differential in fiber quality favoring strength training" meaning hypertrophy gets you more of lesser quality while strength gets you less of higher quality. And this is why periodization exists. Build a bunch, chopp down the shitty ones, etc/paraphrasing/whatever/I'm drunk.
And you should go on a Raypeat diet to fix your mitochondria for them fast twitch muscles.
>>77172532Except that there's no lesser quality.
>>77170296>Studied science of weight liftingTranslation>Saw a couple of Mike Mentzer videos and took PEDsCongrats to the guy but if TikTok fyp knowledge passes as studying we are cooked
>>77172434to be fair, American blacks were bred to be better slaves (stronger, faster) so there's some correlative truth to those beliefs as far as the NFL goes.
>>77171833>>77171378i accept your concession
>>77170296>>90%that doesn't tell us anythingare people super retarded now?
>>77172574Semantics. If you wanna be a faggot and say "nu uh you trained your cns thats different" Can you seperate the function from driver? No? Then shut the fuck up. Muscle fibers that have been strength trained have more responsive motor units, muscle fibers primarily made from hypertrophy will have less responsive motor units. The change is made distally, not proximally.
>>77174340>Can you seperate the function from driver? No? Then shut the fuck up.You actually can, thanks for bringing cns up because that is a huge factor that influences athletic development as opposed to hypertrophy training.The cns makes muscular contractions happen and to develop quick powerful contractions you need to train under speed and load as opposed to hypertrophy that only trains under load.How the motor units respond is based on the demand placed on training, this is the principle of adaptability.
>>77170438I mean what are the top guys doing in the 100 like 40s? Thats about equivalent to the 400 run and those guys need to be super careful not to do too much volume.
>>77172637>Guy reads scientific paper>Summarises it into tik tok video>This now somehow makes the knowledge in said video invalidYou're retarded
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>>77170320True. When I was a NEET I started doing 5ks. I got down to 18 minutes in 6 months of training. I attribute it entirely to the fact that I wasn't stressed out and did fuck all when I wasn't running. Good times
>>77170296>50m>pure atp/glycolyticEndurance is not needed since not oxidative. So if technique is ok all he needs is cns activation and bigger muscles. His technique is ok already, so he reduced swimming time and focused on strength from muscle size and and maybe cns activation.
>>77170416>powerlifting>watching Strike WitchesI keep telling y'all that powerlifting is a homosexual sport, and the evidence keeps increasing.
>>77171771>Primary function of verbal communication is emotional regulation not information exchange. Information is just a wrapping.There are two meanings this could have and they're both stupid. "Verbal" means language as in something animals don't generally do, and it is for information exchange, while vocalization may or may not be *primarily* for information. If you meant vocalization you just used the wrong word. If you meant that the reason people talk is because it makes them feel good, that's like saying food isn't for nutrition it's because people like eating.
>>77170296It only worked because he trained at such high volume for so long Same reason cross country runners are more successful taking the week off before a meet instead of running the 4 days that week or whatever
>>77171518All roads lead back to Mentzer
>>77170296>increase training >take a load of roids>win>tell everyone you barely trained>profit
>>77176869>Workout for 20 hours a week>Make it your gay ass identity before you die of a heart attack because you got vaccinated>Blame roidst. marathoner
>>77176861Pretty much
>>77170296the is the most informative thread i've read on here since i got out of prison a year ago this is what 2021 /fit/ was like
>>77178202its pretty simple, ignore trolls, ignore ragebait, and be kind. if you thank effortposters and dont engage with trolls that dont post an argument and just ragebait all the time, we can have more such discussions.dont just think your viewpoint is the ultimate viewpoint and always be willing to argue in good faith, thats how we get shit done as men
>>77176236>I keep telling y'all that powerlifting is a homosexual sport, and the evidence keeps increasing.NTA but I believe thats why weed once a month is beneficial. Thats the only way I can allow myself not to stress about things
>>77170296Overtraining. Training less is usually a good idea because nowadays people VASTLY overestimate their regeneration abilities.Also sports science nowadays is literally just dilettants copay/pasting from YT and imageboards. That's why everyone in the last 15 years thought you only need max strength no matter your sport.
>>77171544Depends on your goals.
>>77171518>The general principles he espoused were and are rightNope. At least not for bodybuilding.If you are in a sport where you need max strength with as little size as possible, like decathlon, then sure.
>>77170714Mentzerbros.... we were right again
>>77171025>for building muscle more volume is betterNo. For modern roiding more volume is better because roiders get to the point where they're too strong and risk injury very quickly. They often need to hold back to make sure they don't tear the biceps or something like that. For natties, with good form and enough time to recover, if you lift with plenty of intensity you will get stronger and won't get injured. Myofibril growth requires lifting heavy (80% 1RM or more) or to failure.Rather it's the opposite. More volume is better for powerlifting because you don't want to train to failure. You want to train your nervous system to innervate as much muscle as possible whenever you touch a barbell. So you want to stay away from the slow reps wherever possible and drill into your nervous system that you want the bar to move as fast as possible. Plus training for maximum lifts require a lot of skill which is not necessary for bodybuilding. You can be short 50-100 lbs of skill in a lift and still get great results from training in bodybuilding. Volume really isn't a big issue after 10 sets. Even referring to the Schoenfeld study or those other ones with the logarithmic best-fit curve, there seems to be little if any meaningful difference after around 6-8 sets. The returns have diminished to the point where you don't really get much from more sets. >his program?Mike Mentzer in his original training was either doing some AB split or the three full body day/week routine that Arthur Jones had Casey Viator do. Something like 6 sets per muscle group per week. His book routine which he never did is pretty extreme with its minimalism. >powerliftingPowerlifters in the upper weight classes often put on a lot of muscle mass. Quite a few of them are just fat so they don't present the same muscularity as a leaner person with the same muscle mass would. But still quite a bit of muscle mass even if they're training specifically to get squat, bp, and deadlift up.
