The fate of every roidtranny

>>77175655
No? Most are victims of being low T skinny fat subhumans. Shit's ridiculous to have

>4 grand
lmao americans
that's less than 1/1000th of a single shell fired at israels enemies

>>77175660
Wcyd. I'm planning to just get mutilated in Mexico by some spic doc. Don't have the money to do it locally.

>>77175651
nooo don't get your gyno removed your so sexy

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Tried looking into SERMs? MPMD (yeah I know...) has some videos pertaining to SERMs and gyno. Moderate gyno has been attenuated by SERMs in some studies if I remember correctly. Kind of interesting.
But someone here might actually be more informed on the matter and blow me out of the water.
Raloxifene and some other compound.
You could also just fuckin consult with your doctor instead of asking some disgusting gooners online?

>>77175670
Idk, I'm thinking of trying binders and ralox.
>You could also just fuckin consult with your doctor instead of asking some disgusting gooners online?
Waste of fucking time. Was at some endocrinologist boomer who couldn't even prescribe me a T test. Told that since I get morning erections and have shitty facial hair on my face, I do not warrant any other examinations.

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come here boy, i wont do you no harm

>>77175676
99% of the time, people under the age of 50 do not ever need exogenous test. Unless you are genetically hypogonadal, you don't need test.
Don't you guys have like private doctors where you can read up on the doctor? (reviews?)
Sometimes, I don't get doctors. Blood tests are cheap so just do them.

But yeah, what can you do? Either surgery or drugs. Nothing else will move the needle. If you can even get the drugs in the first place. Then titrate up the dosage because you sure as hell don't wanna tank your E. Then you hope for the best as the drug does its magic over the next months.
Luckily, I only have very mild gyno from my teenage years (fat fuck reporting in) so I don't have to do any of this.
Horrible how doctors are dismissive of aesthetic hindrances in males.

>>77175658
Except most men that get this actually have considerably higher testosterone than average and experience a massive spike in testosterone during puberty which ends up being converted to excess estrogen, that is what causes pubertal gynecomastia.

>>77175670
Doesn't do anything, it's either surgery or live with it.

>>77175688
Got free T and SHBG blood work tests due on Monday. As for ralox, I'll have to order from chinks since nobody will prescribe me that shit and I'm high inhabitation too. I feel like I'm gonna crash my E levels and just fuck up everything else.

>>77175691
High T levels impy that you "should" have robust facial features, big bones. I have neither of those features. Small wrists, wider hips, narrow clavicles is all got.

>>77175691
>that is what causes
There is a whole sleuth of reasons for the cause of gyno. But sure, internet experts always have the answer to everything. I had low test as a teenager but so what? I had an overexaggerated aromatase activity due to being overweight and developed very small gyno. Of course, this is just pure conjecture but it sounds plausible since I am an internet expert.
>>77175691
>Gynecomastia: A systematic review of pharmacological treatments
There is some amount of research on gyno and various compounds. Definitely nothing super conclusive but it is kind of ignorant to just say that drugs are completely ineffective.
>>77175692
Always good to have some actual metrics but just one value at a singular point in time won't tell you all that much except if you are actually hypogonadal or normal.
Have you tried talking to the surgeon? He might be able to hook you on some of those drugs (but why would he right? That means less business for him).

Sucks that in my country, getting accurate blood testing is damn near impossible. I guess I could do HPLC at work but I don't want to risk it.

>>77175740
actual mongoloid.

Take a pair of scissors and snibedi snab those disgusting fucking gyno pokies

>>77175651
How do I get bigger tits?

>>77175666
My last gf unironically did like my tits it was weird. When I lay on my side she would squeeze my tits.

>>77175651

Could be pseudogyno like mine was. You need to get as lean as possible, at least down to 10% while lifting and you might shift it permanently.
I had puffier nips than yours and just chalked it up to proper gynecomastia. Then I finally got my husky ass very lean and they just went. I have since gained bf% and lost it again and they haven't come back.
Think it can just be stubborn fat from puberty that once you've burned it off via fat loss, won't come back again assuming your hormones are decent.

>>77175696
>High T levels impy that-

Didn't read the rest because I could tell this was a cope post.

Either take a blood test or stop telling yourself that your test is low.
>>77175737
>There is a whole sleuth of reasons for the cause of gyno.
Oh sorry perhaps I should have mentioned exceptional cases such as for example men that grew up with birth defects on their testicles or consumed a supplement spiked with pro-hormones or straight up steroids for a long time.
>I had low test as a teenager but so what?
Did you take a blood test?
>Definitely nothing super conclusive but it is kind of ignorant to just say that drugs are completely ineffective.
They are completely ineffective and have side effects and if anyone tells you otherwise he's an idiot.
It's either surgery or live with it, that's the truth.
Pubertal gynecomastia cannot be fixed with any hormonal treatment and any gynecomastia expert and surgeon will tell you this.

>>77175651

Pinch them nippies, do they get erect/shrink and look normal? Squeeze the area around them, can you feel hard tissue or is it just fat?
If there's no glandular tissue there, which it doesn't really look like but still could be, then it's not real gyno you just need to lose bodyfat until they go away.

>>77175778
>>77175768

They do shrink when I'm in a cold environment. It doesn't even look bad then but during summer time I they poke out through my shirt.
>>77175737
Literally told me to gtfo and pay for T test myself. Zero help from these people.

>>77175768
If you have "stubborn fat" from puberty you have gynecomastia just not enough for you to care.
Lipids and gland form a continuum underneath the nipple.
>>77175778
You can't diagnose gynecomastia accurately with such a simple method, most forms off gynecomastia are rather soft to the touch.
Only something like ultrasound can definitively diagnose gynecomastia.
>>77175791
>They do shrink when I'm in a cold environment.
That's normal for people with and without gynecomastia.
>It doesn't even look bad then but during summer time I they poke out through my shirt.
You have gynecomastia, 100% guaranteed.

Doesn't your country have public healthcare?

>>77175798
>Doesn't your country have public healthcare?
It's a senile boomer shithole where 70% of people are +55yo corpses. They just keep telling that I'm a schizo or that it's all in my head, that nobody cares about such things. Have to pay out of my pocket for such issues.

>>77175817
Feels familiar. I am in Northern Europe and it's pretty much the same here. If you want actual help, you need to shell out really good money for a good private doctor that is actually read up on the literature and has experience. Public healthcare is good for "normal" stuff but things like gyno will get absolutely dismissed.
I mean sure, it is just aesthetics but when you see it sticking out of the shirt it absolutely destroys your confidence and self-image. I know that feel even with just minor gyno.

Here, you'd pay something like 6000 dollars to have it removed and hopefully the scarring won't be too bad. Luckily, it has never been easier getting rich than in the 21st century (buying NVDA in 2022, gg ez).

Yeah, I think everyone can agree that surgery is the most proved solution to this problem. Although drugs have worked in literature, I wouldn't trust some sketchy drugs from some Chinese website. A reputable surgeon is the way to go.

>>77175834
lol. I'm Estonia so I guess I'm close to you.
>Yeah, I think everyone can agree that surgery is the most proved solution to this problem
I'm planning to get it but my parents are going full schizo, telling that I have dysphoria and that I'm just going to mutilate myself.

>>77175651
The deserved fate of all who play with peds and trt

>>77175651
you are a natural troon

>>77175691
>Except most men that get this actually have considerably higher testosterone
It's all genetics. Some guys get gyno if their e2 is even on the high end of in range. Some guys will never get gyno no matter how much they blast.

4 grand, wow. That was a lot 30 years ago.

>>77175817
How old are you if you don't mind my asking?
I went through a similar problem when I was a teenager talking to a family doctor who just dismissed my inquiries on my gynecomastia.

Only when I was older and wiser did I actually get something done by insisting that I knew what I was talking about and needed help.

Be assertive and tell a national health service doctor or whatever equivalent there is in your country that what you have is affecting your mental health and that you are certain you have it and how it can be easily fixed(surgical removal of the gland underneath the nipple).
Don't ask what to do, instead demand an ultrasound screening for gynecomastia to prove on paper that you have gynecomastia and to have an idea of its overall dimensions, when you get the exam scheduled tell the specialist doing the ultrasound why you're there and get it done and demand a written description of your diagnosis and demand for it to be as explicit as possible, then when you get the results back tell your doctor that not only you have undeniable proof that you have an anomaly that is easily fixed with surgery but that also it's making you depressed and suicidal.
It sounds cringe but if you do that I can't imagine you not being able to get help, you're not exactly in a third world shithole.

In the meantime outright demand a blood test from the same doctor, don't just ask, tell your doctor that you have to get it out of concern for your physical and mental health, as a last resort make some bullshit story about how suicidal you're feeling.

Most doctors don't care about their patients and always think they know better than them so you gotta be really persistent, don't mind being insistently annoying because your mental and physical health is at stake.

>>77176033
Sure it's all ultimately genetically determined, but men that get pubertal gynecomastia tend to be high testosterone and this is known in athletic circles.

>>77175651
God, those nipples look hot. No homo, but I would suckle on them.

>>77176045
24. I only started taking care of my body once I reached adulthood.

>>77176059
It doesn't matter how high your testosterone is. If it's in range for a natty you're not gonna get nips unless you're fat or have another source of estrogen.

>>77175651
I got mine removed for 8k. Had extremely high testosterone in my teenage years while being a bit overweight (900-1000ng/dl) and developed them.

Tried everything under the sun for them, megadosing raloxifene, removing plastics from every aspect of my life, a shitload of "supplements" (dim/php5/etc), nothing worked long term (although raloxifene definitely decreased it for a time, but I think long term SERM use is bad).

My only regret was not doing the surgery earlier in life. Good luck with your decisions.

>>77175651
no big deal dude ur gyno is pretty minimal most ppl wouldn't notice, just put aside some money each month u can save that in a year :D

>>77175651
Why do so many of you fags on this board have gyno. What the fuck, where are you from why are all your genetics so bad

>>77176172
I'm this guy
>>77176146

I'm just italian. We run high on the E2 levels naturally. Also started balding in my late teens due to my high test levels/DHT sensitivity.

>>77175691
Yup I had 900 ng at 19. On drugs as a junkie. But high E and prolactin. Nicotine may have helped me as an ai

>>77176176
I think meds just have the aerola. Where u getting high e2

>>77176146
8k is insane. You could get a transplant and a genioplssty

>>77176131
Doctors might downplay your gyno specially if you're young so you have to be annoying as fuck towards them and insist that they take you seriously.
>>77176146
Similar experience to mine.
>>77176191
My test got as high as in the low 1000's ng/dl, got gyno from puberty that never left and literally only surgery fixed it.
Even my endocrinologist told me that hormonal treatment would at best offer temporary improvement and never get rid of the problem specially when my hormonal profile is fine and all these SERM's and AI's have side effects with no exception.

>>77176202
8k is on the cheaper side of things for quality excision/lipo of the area. I live in California and had one of the best doctors in the US for it.
>>77176193
>where
I'm just italian. Italians, hispanics, and blacks all run higher E2 due to genetics.

>>77176209
That’s why we mog. Estrogen is required for masculinization

>>77176206
Just as you said. Muh gynecomastia is only present in 60yo obese males. Ok, I get it, can you just do your job and refer me to a surgeon lmao. It's impossible with these people.

>>77176220
If you're in California and want my doctor, respond with a throwaway email and I'll shoot you their info. For something as important as surgery, you don't want to skip out on it.

>>77175651
do you drink heavily? my puffy nipples went away when I stopped drinking.

>>77176222
I rot europe, sadly.
>>77176465
Never drank any alcohol in my life.

>>77175768
yeah all you need is more chest exercises and a less fatty/sugary diet. lose weight and do more chest work outs

>>77175651
Nigra nobody cares, but you

>>77175651
I don't understand why puffy nipples on a muscular chest have to be a problem

>>77175691
What a load of bullshit. I have gyno from being a fat fucking retard, guess what happened when I went on TRT (zero aromatase inhibitor use btw) while being a fat fucking retard? My gyno shrank and I lost a shit ton of weight.
Gyno is caused by low test and/or high prolactin.

>>77175651
Yeah I'm 33 and I've had it since around 15.
Its annoying as fuck and its better to just get it removed as soon as possible. You don't get used to it and its always annoying. Might get mine removed this year

>>77175691
>it's either surgery or live with it.
nope you can lose them with a stronger chest and less fat

>>77176465
Does alcohol suppress testosterone or something? I quit drinking and now I angrily hate life all the time. Don't miss the booze; just feel like solving every problem with extreme violence.

>>77176566
What's your dose anon? I find anything above 75mg/week of test enanthate is too stimulating for me.

>>77176582
No. Alcohol makes you a better person.

Just went to brush my teeth and saw my tits poking out through a tank top. I can't with this shit. Male bodies are so stupid. Why would I grow fucking nipples?

>>77176781
It's for your baby

>>77176566
You had pseudogyno then, not true gyno (there is a difference).

>>77175651
I hate looking at pics of gyno because it reminds me of how painful mine felt when I was 15. I strongly believe it's caused by a lack of sunlight and red meat during puberty.

Kekke spam

>>77177259
Did it go away eventually?

>>77175651
i like guys with this personally bc i think it's sexy/cute attractive etc. but i also totally get why they hate it and would want it fixed...
it's a bummer
>>77175762
bazed

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>>77175651
>Why couldn't I have just been born normal?
God made you normal, but you decided to fuck yourself up with roids.

>>77177304
Do you honestly think that the physique in OP's pic warrants PED usage?
>>77177286
Kys faggot

>>77175666
>>77175762
>>77176493
>>77177286
Ignore these faggots, they’re always in these threads
>my gf loves it
>it’s all in your head
>just lift more bro
>no don’t change your life for the better
From experience, it’s not going to go away unless you take an AI within months of its first appearing. Getting the surgery is the only realistic solution to be rid of it completely. Best you can do is lose weight beforehand to make it easier for your surgeon.

>>77177524
>I fucking love gender affirming care!!
Me too!!

>>77176136
1/3rd of adult men have some form of gynecomastia(not talking about "pseudo gynecomastia" but real gynecomastia) and gyno rates are much higher in men with high testosterone.
It's not that the testosterone they have into their adulthood that caused the pubertal gyno, it's the testosterone they used to have at the peak of puberty + their degree of aromatase activity that caused the pubertal gynecomastia, men with high test in their 30s had even higher test during puberty.
>>77176566
You never had abnormal mammary gland tissue then, TRT does absolutely nothing to get rid of gynecomastia, prolactin levels only cause gynecomastia if insanely high, we're talking brain tumor or anti-depressant levels high.

You just got leaner.

>>77175651
>>77175662
Dude... How fucking old are you dipshit? It's pretty obvious you've never managed your own medical care.
>care credit
Google it retard. No you don't need 4 grand up front to get this shit done. They'll open a line of care credit to any non-felon with gainful employment. Paying off surgery is easier than paying off a fucking car.

>>77175834
I paid 7000$CAD for gyno surgery. They removed the glands, but I still have puffy nipples. They're more almond shaped now. I look like I'm some kind ex-fat person with loose skin. I'm less selfconcious about it than I was before, but that's only because I've tried everything under sun and I know that's the best I can look.

>>77175651
4 grand?!?!
I'll lop those puppies off for a nickel.

>>77175651
Shame you are a guy, those are some juicy nipples

>>77175696
Clavicular blasted test and gh since age 14 and has thin bones. The only masculine trait of his skeleton is relatively wide shoulders. But the actual bones are thin. Thin wrists, small ribcage, small joints etc. You need to have the genetics for big bones in conjunction with the hormones to get a robust structure. He had to bonesmash his face to get the bones to grow there.

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>gyno thread
bros…could I hide it by building chest muscle or is surgery the only real option? It shows through shirts like a motherfucker. And yes I only started lifting 2 months ago

>>77175651
suckable nips

>>77175651
>Need to somehow earn 4 grand to get rid of this disgusting shit.
That's like a job.

>>77180686
Same as me. Liposuction is the only way to fix this. Doesn't look like glandular gyno.

>>77180686
there is little muscle there and a lot of fat. take a look at yourself. obviously you just need to lift more and lose weight.

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laying on the couch on the mend as i type this, finally pulled the trigger on the surgery and got it done yesterday. gland excision and lipo. both were the size of fucking hockey pucks. so glad i got this done.

cat is keeping me company, think she knows her pops is in pain. hope you anons dealing with this shit get some relief.

>>77181897
Bro I cut from 190 to 150 in 3 months by starvemaxxing and it’s still there. Normal men don’t have man tits at 5’10 150lbs. It’s over for me, all because I was slightly overweight during puberty. Cruel world

>>77182377
respectfully, most men don't look like that at 5'10" 150 period, i'd have guessed you were about 180 based on the pic but it has nothing to do with your pecs. i have substantially more titty fat than you. what you have could EASILY be offset by getting a big chest. if you're that insecure about it, make 2pl8 your #1 fitness goal and make sure to hit your chest with a variety of exercises (flat bench, incline, pec deck, etc.) and not just one.

>>77182396
Okay I’ll keep trying. Right now I can only bench like 150. And yeah I don’t know why I still look so fucking fat. That’s why I gave up cutting for now and am just eating high protein at maintenance while lifting 5x/week