What's the point of staying natty in 2026? People only care about the results, not how you got there.
>>77176314Imagine roiding for 170lbs body with 13 inch arms.
>>77176314>People"People" don't live your life for you. Do you really want to become a deranged roidtranny without a working dick just to chase external validation?
>>77176333>roidtrannyTons of men go on TRT properly supervised and have zero negative side effects.
>>77176333The dick works great, thanks.>>77176314Because genuinely, if you aren't big/strong looking without roids, you aren't dedicated enough and are going to fuck up your cycle and get shit results and think the answer is taking more and more shit. If you can hit a full year of 90-100% good dieting, consistent lifting, and good sleep, then I'd say go for it. It's almost impossible to permanently fuck yourself up from cycles unless you're running shit like HGH/slin in huge dosages.
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>>77176342>>77176344>>77176359Sounds like defensive cope to me, roidtrannies.If you're reading this, don't do drugs and don't become like these guys. "/fit/" is a mental ward these days more than anything else
>>77176371Provide him some inspiration by showing us your natty physique :)
>>77176314>the results
>>77176333Checked and truthpilled
>>77176379why not post Arnold Schwarzenegger still kicking at 76?
>>77176333Also a permanently remodeled heart and other organ damage>>77176388>went through heart surgery multiple times>ignores the vast amount of men that have died due to steroid usage, go for the multimillionaire outlier with access to top medical care
>>77176314Having testicles and knowing I can knock up any woman I want whenever I want, also most roiders look like shit and don’t know how to and/or really like training. In a shtf scenario what are you gonna do? Keep pinning bathtub grade deca or lose all your gains? Get real.
>>77176314Uh, I easily arm-mog this guy and only roid with ecdy. Those "results" are less than a year of lifting for all but the most dysgenic freaks with Stephanie Butterface muscle disease on vegan rabbit diets.>>77176326Desu looks more like 15-16" arms unless he's a turbo-manlet, bit above DYEL status but not by too much.>>77176388Overall a statistical outlier in long-term roider survival.
>>77176395>went through heart surgery multiple timesso has my uncle who hasn't used steroids at all. whats your point bud>vast amount of men that have died to steroid usageName 3 that died to steroid usage. I guarantee you all three died due to amphetamines/stimulant abuse.>>77176399>statistical outlierAnd Rich Piana isn't a statistical outlier? lol
>>77176409>And Rich Piana isn't a statistical outlier? lol>RATES OF MORTALITY ARE HIGHER AMONG PROFESSIONAL MALE BODYBUILDERS>https://www.auajournals.org/doi/pdf/10.1016/j.juro.2016.02.336>The mean age of death was 47.7 years>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rich_Piana>Died August 25, 2017 (aged 46)No, not a statistical outlier.
>>77176428Be honest with me man, do you even know how to interpret data? It even says the expected deaths for that age range was 40, and the observed was 54...so 14 more people died than normal, in a study where it's missing more than a 1000 participants. What you're seeing is a 3% increase in mortality rate when everything is accounted for, and after the age of 50, this difference in mortality rate shrinks back to 0% and both age groups are equivalent.
>>77176447>Be honest with me man, do you even know how to interpret data?>According to his autopsy report, both his heart and liver weighed twice the average amount for an adult malelol idk my bff jill, guess ferroptosismaxxing ur heart ack-shilly safe as shit when u read the /sci/ "properly."
>>77176454"Ai generated answer".Thanks for the admission. a 3% mortality increase when independent variables like recreational drug use/partying, hell even military service, wasn't controlled is fucking nothing. How about you ask AI what it thinks of the study and if it's a meaningful difference? Or if you're feeling zesty, ask it to explain what "absolute" vs "relative" increases are as if you were five years old.
>>77176376>natty>inspirationlol. Natties on here are always fat as fuck.
>>77176464I'm sure it's all just a bigly nothingburger when u try to find non-clanker sources, amrite?>Anabolic androgenic steroids and cardiomyopathy: an update>https://www.frontiersin.org/journals/cardiovascular-medicine/articles/10.3389/fcvm.2023.1214374/full>A Young Man with Myocardial Infarction due to Trenbolone Acetate; a Case Report>https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC4614617/>Impact of trenbolone on selected organs>https://journals.viamedica.pl/endokrynologia_polska/article/view/99130>Sex hormone-specific regulation of ferroptosis in vascular cells in atherosclerosis: molecular mechanisms and targeted strategies>https://www.frontiersin.org/journals/physiology/articles/10.3389/fphys.2025.1680625/full>Emerging roles of ferroptosis in cardiovascular diseases>https://www.nature.com/articles/s41420-022-01183-2
>>77176486You're both right. Steroid abusers are risk seekers though. This inflates the numbers because as the other guy said they tend to abuse shit like cocaine (eg zyzz). Most of the negative effects of steroids can be dampened by controlling the dose and minding cardio and diet.
>>77176486It is a big nothingburger according to the first study you showed me. Did you just use chatgpt to find a bunch of new articles? awesome.>https://www.frontiersin.org/journals/cardiovascular-medicine/articles/10.3389/fcvm.2023.1214374/full>A Young Man with Myocardial Infarction due to Trenbolone Acetate; a Case ReportZero numbers. Saying something "can" contribute is in line with the earlier finds that bodybuilders have a 3% increased mortality rate. You have zero idea what significance means to the scientific community vs what it actually means to real world applications.Do you want me to look at all your other retard articles too? You frogposters are by far and away the dumbest fucking morons on this board.
>>77176486>https://www.nature.com/articles/s41420-022-01183-2>https://www.frontiersin.org/journals/physiology/articles/10.3389/fphys.2025.1680625/fullNo data reference steroid usage. Aka, useless in the context of this debate.>https://journals.viamedica.pl/endokrynologia_polska/article/view/99130Congrats, your AI generated list found one that references anabolic steroids. Unfortunately, it doesn't have anything about mortality, just lists that using tren can give side effects. Wow, you really got me. >https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC4614617/Not even a study, just a single person's negative experience without any relevant numbers. Did you even read a single word from ANY of these articles before posting? Didn't you pay attention to the disclaimer in your first image? "AI-generated answer. Please VERIFY critical facts"
>>77176497Look man, Rich's heart didn't double in size from snorting a little coke or riding motorcycles. Picrel clanker explains many identified mechanisms at a high level.
>>77176517https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rich_Piana"After the discovery of crushed white powder along with a straw and a credit card on the table in his home, paramedics administered naloxone, a medication used to counteract a possible opiate overdose"Rich Piana is not the guy you want to use to hinge your argument around. Love him, miss him, but he had a drug problem outside of the ones that enhance your performance.
>>77176517>snorting a little coke>Dick Piano>Doing a "little" of anything lmao
>>77176517and let me just point out what I said earlier, which addresses your concerns about heart doubling in size."It's almost impossible to permanently fuck yourself up from cycles unless you're running shit like HGH/slin in huge dosages.". https://www.menshealth.com/fitness/a19537956/rich-piana-death-insulin-rumors-bodybuilding/Also, from his wikipedia page"He said that when he was competing at the national level, he was taking 20 international units per day of Serostim, a synthetic form of human growth hormone, which would cost about $8,000 per month at ordinary prescription prices"
>>77176314I care.
>>77176326I'm 175lbs and look like the left image (._. )Manlets got it good.
>>77176314Because you are doing damage to multiple inner organs.
>>77176326Excuse me, I'm not even an expert, but wouldn't I be considered smart to use steroids, not on bb levels, to reach your best natural physique and then quit it? Again, I'm not defending it, I just want to understand better
Wild that roidmoggers are intellect maxxing in the year of our lord 2026 while nattycucks spike their cortisol to dangerous levels in desperate attempts to preserve aura.Sneed it or keep it fellas?
>>77176550no because you will still get all of the long lasting effects for a physique you could have gotten naturally
>>77176314Nobody cares about this shit dude. That's the point. You are sacrificing your health for vanity. It's retarded.
>>77176558Oh, really? I thought all of the effects would only come if you were in high doses and/or used it for a long time. Thank for explaining it man
>>77176558>long lasting effectsLiterally none.
>>77176571Explain why vanity is bad without getting emotional.
>>77176571>You are sacrificing your health for vanity.I dunno, looking at this thread it looks like the effects are pretty minimal as long as you don't go overboard spending almost 10k/month on HGH and insulin, and even then, just don't use heroin and youll be ok.
>>77176314I actually don't know. I'm probably gonna do a 16 week cycle to get myself to my natty limit and then just maintain.
>>77176610You're not going to hit your natty limit in 4 months, sorry bud.
>>77176613If I've already been lifting for 5+ years? I think one blast will get me to my natty limit, if not very close
>>77176314Not into that aesthetic or maintence requirements. It's beyond the scope of what I want for myself or what the people who want me find desirable.
>>77176615>I've already been lifting for 5+ years?You should be pretty much at your natty limit if you've been lifting for 5+ years. You more or less reach natty limit after a couple years of hard consistent training and dieting. Everything beyond that is incremental and desu not really noticeable to normal people.
>>77176314>People only care about the resultsnobody gives a shit
>>77176674I'm a hot blonde hair blue eye'd woman with big tits and a tight ass, all hetero, and I give a shit. Results are everything. Don't listen to the natty cucks that me and my groupchat make fun of
>>77176739I believe you
>>77176314Had to take gear to look natty holy kek
>>77176739Even if you're a bald 400lb dude shitposting from his mom's basement, doesn't change that a lot of roiders stay victim weight precisely due to ACTN3 skill issues. There are a lot of ways to "results" and gear just isn't always the best "shortcut" for everyone.
>>77176359Tren spikes your testosterone and makes you horny. Your body's natural testosterone production shuts down, your balls shrivel and the increased blood pressure can make it difficult to get and maintain an erection. You become so horny, but cannot do anything to physically satisfy yourself. True hell. But at least you look good on the Internet.
>>77176615>>77176668Bullshit, neither of you retards lift. The "natty limit" line is a cope that roiders use to justify renting their physiques from pharma companies.
>>77176342>zero negative side effects.That's 100% bullshit. Some shit is standard. Permanently affected sterility, permanently impacted hormone production. These mens health clinics are just like the ones that enable trannies. They're enslaving you.
>>77176359Except anon didn't say that did they? The truth is most were already faggots and the tren makes it so you can only cum from fisting your prostate.
>>77176967I don't roid and don't condone it, but what a load of bullshit, holy hell
>>77177036>The truth is most were already faggots and the tren makes it so you can only cum from fisting your prostate.weirdest self report ive ever seen on here ngl
unironic natural bodybuilder here. i dont even use creatine anymore.so the advantage is this - it starts slow but it picks up and compounds and feels great to lift.slow at start, gets progressively faster and better later. roids are the opposite
>>77176326>>77176543manlet here im 180 lbs get mogged
This is a kekke thread btw
>>77177039Stfu most of us r bi
>>77176399make 30 more posts about hair shit you don't take mr gupta, we know you dont lift
>>77176739Post body
>>77176398Pretty sure you have to have sex with women in order to knock them up
>>77176342medically prescribed TRT has nothing to do with roiding
>>77176967“Tren spikes your testosterone”How in the fuck do I share a board with people this pants-shittingly stupid?
>>77176314I will fight anyone on steroids if they double my bet. I can drop a discord link but I'd prefer not to attract someone who is unwilling.
>>77177280Yeah, but medically prescribed TRT are for those individuals with cursed genetics that are so fucked up that the TRT side effects outweight staying natty.
>>77177369>the TRT side effects are a better deal than staying natty.Fuck, I wrote it wrong
>>77177284>injecting pure test actually doesn't cause a spike in your system because it's actually air and it's for my head
>>77176517>>77176486>>77176454>>77176428the virgin AIusingdyel gets destroyed by the chadroidinggradstudent
>>77176314I like it when my balls and dick function normally.
I wanna be the hylic
I really want to reproduce though
>>77176398>knowing I can knock up any woman I want whenever I want,How many kids do you have?
>>77176314Because I am the only person that needs to care about me
>>77178464Just about every professional body builder has at least 1, usually more kids. Have you tried making love to women instead of men? This might help. All the best,Dave
>>77176314Living longer than a few more years, I guess.
>>77179989steroids don't have any meaningful impact on life expectancy
>>77176314Go roid yourself up til your nuts collapse into a singularity and let us know how happy you are with the results.
>>77176314I don’t care what people like
I got severe health anxiety and would straight up become a non-functional subhuman at the first side effect or off blood markerif it wasn't for that, I admit I'd roid
im only 5'7.5 barefoot. if i am outlifting you, then you have been mogged by the natty dwarf who:>benches 245lbs for 3-4 reps>deadlifts (gloves only) 315lbs on the hex bar for single reps and holdsi exist to embarass lanklets at the gym.
its always funny that normies think steroids is like battery acid, the moment you pin you literally are going to die lmaobut the same people drink alcoohol without a second thought xD
>>77176314I work out for me, not for anyone else.
>>77182346it's not normies, it's literally one (w)incel from misc who hates fit people because he cant get laid.
>>77176342>Tons of men go on TRT Only American right wing males (inherently low T)
>>77182355checked and based
>>77176314Indian mindset btw
>>77176314These retards pay the price on a long enough time frame and get horrible side effects is why. When people ask you if you are on something you can also proudly say no as a natty and not have to stab yourself with syringes.
>>77182670greg doucette, mike isrealtel, jeff nippard, arnold schwarzenegger, and haircafe(you)all non americans and/or leftoids using testosterone replacement therapy. Also is this trumptard in your pic even low t or on trt?
>>77185353How is israetel left wing
>>77176314Hahaha good thing I don't care what other people care about.
>>77176454>ol idk my bff jillHey, I get that reference!
>>77176314nothing honestly, if you don't mind trading lifespan for looks.
>>77180012>Any dose of androgens impairs circulation and thickens blood>Roids proven to directly shorten telomeres on DNA, speedrunning aging>Neurological sides >Permanently destroy your HPGT axisinb4 "B-BUT M-MUH HCG WILL MAKE IT FINE!" no it won't you're stuck as a pharma paypig chemslave>Shrinks balls >Causes ED>Makes you gay>Makes your hair fall outAnd so many more.Yeah, no, but you can cope harder.
Wrong board, this is /fit/. This place is for you: >>>/fa/
>>77176333The truth is that 95% of people are so weak that external validation is their sole motivation.
>>77176333External validation is the ONLY thing that matters in this age of social media and femininity. If you can't mog guys on social media in order to get prime age girls then it's over for you
>>77189128Weak bait
Scared of balding, acne and gyno.
>>77176314>People only care about the results, not how you got there.Everyone cares about it, it's just that people don't know if you're using roids or not. But be sure they'll trash you if they find iut.
