I've been feeling lethargic, unmotivated, and hungry while cutting below 12% body fat, despite eating 2500 kcal/day.Raised my caffeine intake from 250mg to 400+ and I feel great again. Yes, I know this won't last forever. But when this cut is over, I'll just slowly taper off (while reverse dieting).Let's discuss strategic caffeine use in this thread.My favorite form of ingestion currently is Yerba Mate and caps with l-theanine added. Coffee is too swingy.
>>77182984Pair it with some ephedrineI do 75mg then 25mgx2 bronkaid along with however much covfefe I drink. Works good
>>77182987This shit works (and is really fucking bad for your heart).
>>77182987Can't easily get that stuff here in Germany. What I like about caffeine is that you can get it everywhere. Even 10,000 m above the ground in a plane.
>>77182984Bromocriptine prevents caffeine tolerance.
>>77182984>My favorite form of ingestion currently is Yerba MateBased matero. I hope the bitterness keeps normies away so it stays cheap.>with l-theanine addedThoughts on green tea? Have you tried proper matcha or gyokuro? They're closer to luxuries than to daily drivers but that sweet caffeine+theanine hit is hard to beat.
>>77183024Conjecture
For me, it’s sugar free Red Bull
>>77183030>Thoughts on green teaRegular green tea feels to weak for me. I have (cheap) matcha, but I enjoy the mate more.
>>77183034https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/10625120/
I successfully quit alcohol and managed to recreationally use opiates for several months without getting addicted. I tried quitting caffeine and I can't do it. I'd never increase my dose beyond my current daily intake.
>>77183037i'd drink more of this category of stuff because it does hit but they always try to get you with a couple points or more of bullshitfor example in this case they use pyridoxine hcl instead of p5pand i'm sure there's other things>checks ingredients(((calcium))) pantothenatenatural and artificial flavorsand thats not even including the residue chemicals from synthesis theyre not even legally required to list below certain levels.
Liked caffeine, kid? Try meth! first hit is on the house.
>>77183094Holy crap dude, get some new material seriously.
>>77183074I took year long breaks from caffeine and went cold turkey for a week a couple of times. I find the addiction to be very mild. I feel less motivated for a few days and then I feel normal again. But intermittent fasting is much easier with caffeine.
>>77182984>raised my caffeine intake from 250mg to 400+ and I feel great again. Yes, I know this won't last forever. But when this cut is over, I'll just slowly taper off (while reverse dieting).Replace caffeine with meth in this sentence, then consider if needing to regularly ingest an increased daily dose of stimulants to function at a baseline is something healthy, well adjusted people with no substance abuse problems do.
>>77184395Don't be so dramatic. I did 2 years with zero stimulants when I was on my carnivore trip. I'm in better shape and more productive when I cycle caffeine strategically.And most successful people are on some shit (stims, TRT, ...)
>>77183030>gyokuroshit's delicious if prepared correctly but damn expensive
caffeine is the opposite for me and just makes me hungry and tired.
>>77184821You're probably bipolar or have attention deficit hyperactivity disorder.
>>77183094>calcium is jewish wut
>>77182984It doesn't do anything good for me just gives me headaches after a day without.
I think 'upper' people and 'downer' people are wired really different. For me caffeine doesn't do hardly anything. Cocaine I could take it or leave it. But give me a vic or something and I'll love you forever
>>77182984caffeine is ok, but for what you are trying to fix, rhodiola is way better.
>>77182984been taking 400mg for the last 10 years in form of 2x 200mg pills in the morning. was a game changer. I wish I knew about it sooner since I discovered caffeine only in my mid 20s.
>>77184395We've got another pseudo straight edge high horse faggot here. I bet you're a fatso.
>>77182984wait till you try actual stimulants
>>77183240no. you will stop the poison.
>>77187506Lol OK buddy
>>77184856i dont know about that but supplemental calcium is badfaggot
>>77187511Why
>>77187508good quickqposter
>>77187514good mispeller
>>77187512i said so
>>77187518Concession accepted
>>77187517i was as typicallyed phonepostereding
>>77187520wrong
>>77187523I got It the first time, you've got no evidence for your claim. You can stop responding. I already accepted your concession.
>>77187525thank you
>>77187526>>77187525
>>77187527
I like coffee but I hate that it stained my teeth yellow.
>>77187531It didn't. You not brushing did.
>>77187539I brush my teeth everyday.
>>77187554If you did your teeth wouldn't be yellow.
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>>77187557Ok
>>77183058>when you give mice a more potent substance with caffeine they keep moving a lot for longer. kys
>>77182984>poisoning yourself is goodCaffeine destroys testosterone levels (noticeable in high doses) and makes your energy dogshit in peaks and valleys throughout the day instead of consistent high. Eventually you have to take 200mg of caffeine just to feel otherwise normal and only for 6 hours at a time.Caffeine. Is. Poison.
>>77187816>Caffeine destroys testosterone levelsWROOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOONGCoffee isn't your enemy- just admit you got weak genetics bro and can't deal with anxiety
I use pure coffeine + taurine. You can put it into literally everything.
>>77187842And what your goal for using this?
>>77188002General stimulant, these two are the main ingredients in every energy drink, the rest is just flavoring/memes.
>>77188077You could be a bit more descriptive. You just want to feel more awake and alert in the mornings?
>>77188080Correct. That's what stimulants do. And that's why you would take a stimulant.
>>77188098Ok auntie
>>77184395Post body and occupation
>>77187753>that doesn't work in humans for some reason. negroid
I was also lethargic as fuck for a while, no caffeine for like 4 years.Tried a preworkout sample that had caffeine and I felt like a new person.Used 200mg pills for a month or so then stopped, 2 weeks later and I feel normal.I guess you should use it once in a while to maintain your brain.
>>77188080Either as general stimulant ("energy drink", but it could also be "energy soup" or "energy yoghurt") or with L-Citrulline as pre-workout.
>>77188425Haha this is great, sounds fun. Hopefully I can find it on UK Amazon
