>eat the SAME GODDAMN SHIT I've always eaten>decide to eat less of it a few months ago>lose weight like crazyCICO deniers are basically retarded, is that it?
Yes
>>77184082The retards are starting to wake up
CICO works if you are eating a balanced diet. retards start 'well if I eat nothing but fruit roll ups I'll be fine, yes?' the fact that maintaining a healthy diet is a requisite breaks some minds without even trying.
Lazy (you) bait thread
>>77184137This thread is in earnest. Prove CICO wrong. Everything have experienced says it is 100% correct.
Absolitely everyone agrees that cico works for WEIGHT loss in a short term.So two main issues is that cico fags always relapse, often gaining more fat than they had before. Second issue is that their diet lacks basic micronitrients, because of that they lose muscle mass and their health deteriorates.All in all, come back with your retarded graph a year later.
>the CICO denier is already here>b-but what if you e-eat a gram of u-uranium a day
Whenever I eat less calories I lose weight. Almost linear the the amount expected when I track the calories in a kilo of fat. I have a 7.7k deficit & there's 7700 calories in a kilo of fat, I lose 1kg per week.That's just one data point for you but it's my experience
Is ketoschizo the main cico denier
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>>77184082Do people actually deny CICO?
>>77184082keto is way better than cico you fat loser
>>77184082This doesn't prove cico in any way + those are your own inputed numbers that have no basis in reality
If you cicocels get too rowdy I’m gonna post the stadium pasta Don’t make me do it. Don’t push that button
>>77184082SCIENTIFICALLY speaking that only proves that you got little enough nutrition that your body had to consume its own cells. In other words, the body can only have too little or too much food energy. You cannot prove the existence of calories themselves.
>>77184407do it or you are a keto lover
>>77184082Yes, and you're retarded for even making this thread.
>>77184394Yes. Lots of people.
>>77184426Are those deniers in the room with us right now?Cico is very very simplistic version of how our body uses food. It has many flaws, but no-one disagrees that spending more calories than consuming will result in a weight loss. The issue is losing fat, not muscles mass and maintaining that loss in a long term. Studies show that there are little to no people who can do that. And those who can, they change the food they eat and do sports.
>>77184496>caloriesThey don't exist for living beings. Meaningless. Nowhere in our bodies are there calories. Calories are measured by burning food, which doesn't even approximate human nutrition. The body uses energy gained from digestion, and can be only in a SURPLUS or DEFICIT. You cannot "count" calories, it is an experimental process to figure out for each person what kind of diet results work for which goal. >But wait, why am I good at it?Good at what? Being in a deficit? You used trial and error to find your "baseline", not calories.INDIVIDUAL CALORIES do NOT EXIST!
>>77184082>just eat different things in same quantities>lose fat and water weight like crazy>1 week of lethargy>unstoppable energy, don't feel bagged, hormones normalize rather than crashCico becomes inefficient even before your brain finishes developing. It "works" but is the dumb man's way and is just a new autism friendly term for yo yo dieting to market that crap to muffin headed iddiots.
>>77184146CICO is extemely easy to prove wrong.So, you can be fat as fuck and starve to death if you cells are insulin sensitive and there's an excessive amount of insulin.This is why you die when someone gives you an insulin overdose when you don't need it. But the most easiest and important way to prove cico is bullshit is in type 1 diabetics.If you inject insulin in the same spot every day, you will get a fat pad where you inject.Even if you're an anorexic. Even if you go into anorexic ketogenic liver failure.That fucking pad of fat will persist. Forever.Because it's chemistry. Lipid molecular structure binds to insulin and cannot release lipids when saturated. It will literally ROT first and become rancid gangrene instead of undergoing apoptosis. Raw sugar and carbohydrates are rare in nature, and are not healthy unless you are burning 100% of those stores every day, and you're not.Insulin = body will never put on muscle because it is forced to catabolize your muscle to survive Insulin = body is living rot.Cico is true if you eat a 80/20 carbs to proteins diet and get fiber.Cico is nuanced if you get any carbs at all, and if carbs make up the majority of your diet, if you eat at or below maintenance all the weight you lose is muscle until you have nothing else to lose, then you get cancer from the oxidated, ancient fat you carry that your body can't release. And when it does? You get sick and age faster because the fat is rancid.Avoid carbs.
>>77184275He's the micronutrients fag. He shows up in threads telling you not to eat anything besides meat.
>>77184576>The number two doesn't actually physically exist. Therefore, if I have an apple in each hand, I don't actually have two apples.
oh, also cico fags completely disproven by retatrutide.Oh no what happens when you stimulate gip, glp-1, and glucagon receptors constantly and eat the same maintenance calories?Why is this person's fat mass reducing by 26% and muscle only by 14%?How did the land whale lose 30lbs in 3 months eating like shit at maintenance calories?How come they lose weight while sitting on their ass but people eating 1200cal going to the gym 6 days a week lose it super slow?Wait... you even have dexa scans to prove it?But Muh thermodynamics!Cico idiots absolutely butt blasted by peptides.
>>77184645I know you think you've proven CICO wrong, but you haven't even come close to doing so. In fact, you tend to concede that CICO is real with this comment:>Raw sugar and carbohydrates are rare in nature, and are not healthy unless you are burning 100% of those stores every day, and you're not.You're conceding that the calories come in and the calories out (the CO part of CICO) have to correlate. Yes, you have to burn the energy you eat or you get fat. That is what CICO is. There must be CO.
>>77184136No. It even works if your diet consists only of twinkies, doritos, oreos and like-kind products. See https://edition.cnn.com/2010/HEALTH/11/08/twinkie.diet.professor/index.html
>>77184185Your comment doesn't even make sense, you dumb beanbag. You're basically saying CICO doesn't work because people start eating more calories eventually and it leads to fat. That actually shows that CICO is true (that the CI is more than CO).>>77184402I didn't input any numbers. These are numbers from my scale.
>>77184679>cico fags completely disproven by retatrutideDon't people eat far less on these glp-1 drugs? Isn't that how they work?
>>77184679>>77184698>Users often eat less frequently and in smaller portions, with studies showing a roughly 70% decrease in processed food consumption and a 50% drop in sugary drinks, beef, and refined grains, causing a major shift in eating habits.Looks like CICO is true.
>>77184670Not an argument.
>>77184713Correct. It was a comparison. Not everything is an argument. Learn to be less combative and actually address the points that people make.
>>77184645It's not Chemistry. It's biology, stupid. It's dependent on chemistry, but there are key biological processes here. The body will adjust to starving conditions. The "fat pad" is a defense mechanism because you keep getting stabbed in the same place. It's likely connective scar tissue.But at the core of it all is CICO. Moderation, as always. There are no corners is the key tenant of CICO. That includes just not eating at all to speed run that shit. It doesn't work. You haven't disproved shit. You've just explained why there are no shortcuts, which is the whole point of CICO
>>77184682No. The glycogen receptor activation has to stop. Not having carbs is one way to do that, the other is burning them.Cico is true if you like eating muscle. What happens when you run out of muscle to eat?Your bones leech minerals, your body wastes, your liver fails, your brain mass decreases.People who believe Cico and still eat carbs are LITERALLY losing brain mass.LITERALLY.
>>77184721Explain the insulin injection fat pad retard.If you cannot address this biological fact you have nothing to stand on. Our bodies are made of chains of amino acids and protein bonds, lipids and minerals.Nothing that makes our bodies structures are chains of sugars/glucose/etcThose are byproducts of catabolism to fuel immediate potential motion and energy.You are not made of carbs. Calories are a moronic measure.If you want to get sick, be my guest.
>>77184695It doesn't work in a long term for the goal of weight loss. What's so difficult to understand? What's the point of doing it if it's useless in practice? If you are a bodybuilder that needs to be lean for 1 day of a competition, go for it. For an actor for a week on set, go for it. For anyone else, it will jist destroy their health and they will be worse than they started.
>>77184822for bait to be effective, some part of your statement must be true.be a better shitposter.
>>77184082Correct
CICO is certainly true in a general sense, but you can definitely enhance body composition with macro partitioning. Easy example is the carb + fat meal, you're literally asking your body to store that fat due to the insulin release from carbs and the down stream effects of that, namely nutrient partitioning. Pro bodybuilders on slin are relying on this effect to store glycogen+protein in cells. Fat + protein or either on its own, or carbs on their own won't have that effect. Keto works great for cutting, otherwise it sucks ass.
>>77184082The whole "CICO is a meme" thing is just a meme posted by bored anons
>>77184645>you can be fat as fuck and starve to deathokay, should be easy enough for you then to find one single documented instance of this happening. right…?
>>77184865Cico stops making sense at the counting part which is also oversimplified for midwits. As far as eat more or eat less goes, it's a decent basis but counting the uncountable and pretending like your body absorbs every little speck of dirt it ingests and treats it alk equally is simply pseudoscientifical
You know shitness if full of midwits because they unironically think they can count every photon that goes inside their body
>>77184679Kek what a retard
>>77184831I did.It's not fat. It's scar tissue from you injecting the same area. Stop doing that, you tard. Listen to your doctor telling you to rotate injection sites.
>>77184884Oh well the duty of proof isn't on me...
>>77184887It's weird because nobody said that.
>>77184885Yeah exactly, people like to lump in CICO with the idea that all macros and the processes by which your body metabolizes macros is the same. It's not.
>>77184973That's literally what CICO and calorie counting is. That's the whole point (micro managing and min maxing your food intake with reliance on a hypothetical unit of energy) and you would be disingenuous to deny it
>>77184987I'm glad we agree nobody said that. Have a good day.
>>77184082eating less aka caloric deficit is what causes weight loss. Anyone who says otherwise is absolutely retarded.
>>77184846>it doesn’t work longtermYes it does, if you do it longterm. Your argument seems to be that CICO isn’t true because fatties can’t stick to it and end up binge eating. That has nothing to do with CICO and everything to do with fatties who have weak wills.
>>77184082>if you eat less you lose weightnofreakingway
>>77185000So we agree CICO is true.
>>77184912Stay dumb moron.Literally 5 seconds to google "insulin and lipid metabolism" would have saved you the fucking retarded dunce cap you're wearing for thinking a 32g 4mm needle causes scarring lmfao.Pack it up Boyz, you can safely ignore the troglodyte gymbro with sub 100 iq who probably thinks calcium and d3 has calories because he can't explain why eating it adds skeletal weight. Fucking idiots./fit/ used to have fellow drs here, how far we've fallen.
>>77184989>>77185010Damage control after being btfo
>>77185012Bro thinks he's a doctor because he can google and misinterpret a white paper.
>>77184679>change the "CI" at absorption level>Lose weightproves CICO right, mid tier b8
>>77185015Sorry you're so upset
>>77184997If someone doesn't change his shitty diet that resulted in them being fat fucks to begin with, and uust eat less of goyslop they are eating, soon they will be dyinf from hunger. No will can prevent then from relapsing. And even if thet mamage to do it, their shitty diet will ruin their health.There is no need to count calories if you eat healthy and are physically active. It's just impossible to be fat.
>>77185030Not him, but you are obviously a retard. Just look up at the pics of injection places and explain how scar tissue is formed 5 cm away from the injection place... or perhaps you are a moron in denial?
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>>77184082that can't be
>>77184136>the fact that maintaining a healthy diet is a requisite breaks some minds without even trying.Nobody has ever said that, if you eat only fruit roll ups you're going to lose weight but nobody has ever said that's healthy.
>>77184136>balancedMeaningless buzzword
>>77185352>>77185356shut up you stupid retard. youre here just to be contrarian and back up nothing.
>>77185356Weird how you know what it refers to though.
>>77184645enjoy being fat because you need carbs for good T3 aka have a good thyroid aka the throttle of your cells/metabolism
>>77184410>You cannot prove the existence of calories themselves.>food energyYou do realize that calories are merely a MEASURE of food energy?
>>77184082CICO always workswhat some people that blindly follow cico seemingly don't want to believe is that some people have a lower BMR than othersI will always laugh when they give a mealplan of 1600kcal to a 50y old postmenopausal woman, expecting her to have a deficit of 600kcal
>>77186132You have nothing to back this up with>>77186154"bmr" doesn't existsame as "calories" you cant quantify either
>>77184082>eat less>OMG I lost weight!The state of/fit/ in 2026.
>>77185167> No will can prevent then from relapsing.Yes, I know fatties with weak wills believe this is true.You sound very, very fat.
>>77184399Keto IS cico. All diets are cico. Cico is just saying "if you eat more your weight goes up, if you eat less it goes down."
>>77186661Wrong, cico is calories counting. Which is an insane concept like counting sand.
>>77186233fucking hell she is so cute
>>77184496I have literally seen people argue (ignorantly) that when you cut back calories your body goes into "starvation mode" and your metabolism slows down, so you have to eat more or else you'll get fat.
>>77186734You cant prove them wrong
>>77186735They're right. Fat is stored calories. The less calories you put in, the more fat (stored calories) are created. This is the only known violation in physics of Newton's law of conservation of energy. It is theoretically possible to permanenlty hook up a fat person to a liposuction machine and literally create a limitless source of energy.
>>77186735>You can't prove abject nonsenseYeah thats right. Your point?
>>77186742Thank god your body isnt a closed system, and your metabolism is in fact 5-6 semi-open systems that are dictated by hormons and external influence (i.e starvation, lack of ressources) and can shut down at any time. So yes, a fat person can indeed die of starvation and a thin person can live longer than "muh coloooories" would dictate in the delusional CICO scenario where your body is a two ways one valve closed system.
>>77186751Thankfully hormones can synthesize vacuum energy into pure matter even with no mass or energy inputs
>>77186765If you keep making non sequitur exagerations maybe at some point i will concede out of irritation.
>>77186767>non sequitur >exagerationsPick one
>>77186734Yes. That actually happens quite often. There was an experiment when the people, who claimed to be restricting their calories, bu couldn't lose weight, were tested in a controlled environment. They were put on 1500 calories per day and there was no way for them to get any more caloroes from anywhere. Guess what, many of them even gained weight. Because yes, it's a well documemted fact that oftem when starving, the body can lower calories ourlt several times.
>>77186501I have never counted a single calory and have alway been lean. Just eating clean and healthy. I went way below 10% bodyfat when tried acv for a better sleep. Again, without any calorie counting and eating as much as I want.
well /fit/ ?
>>77186157surley there arent a fuck ton of studies proving that low carb diets decrease t3 massivley
>>77186803Neither, the box will just pop back into the portal (no reason for it to fall over) or be in transitional state between the two ends.If there were a velocity transfer you could theorically make infinite energy out of that Hmmm curious this is actually very on topic, cico trannies really suck at physics>>77187171And you wont even post a single one.Now go ahead and post chatgpt hallucination.
im a psychic. i'll predict something>mice
>>77187197What
>>77187195>And you wont even post a single one.why would i do that, what you say irrelevant
>>77187990Wow i must be a fucking clairvoyant man how did i predict this so accurately
>>77188005the truth is you are so low energy and constantly aggressiv that you are unironically unable to do a quick google search lmaokeep posting man its funny
>>77186788skill issue I lost 40lbs in 3 months on 1300
>>77186788Stupid nonsense.
>>77189020because you never dieted before and your thyroid was still good>>77189024it is true i experienced it myselfits when your t3 is low you cant fucking lose weight and everything you eat is stored
CICOtards think metabolism is a myth so they will claim 100 calories from candy equals 100 calories from meat.
>>77184645>the most easiest>reddit spacingyeah cico is real
>>77184679kwab nerdhide in your basement with nothing but water for a week and come back with results
>>77189038it really is the funniest thing in the worlda guy once asked the pepsi ceo if 1000kcal from pepsi is the same as 1000kcal from broccoli, the pepsi ceo said yesthe pepsi ceo also was a diabetic LMAO
