why would you do it over regular CICO?does it have real benefits beyond appetite reduction -> weight loss?what are the main downsides?discuss
low carbohydrate or low fat diets can be summed up to simply restricting krebs cycle either way and in low fat cases to somewhat restrict randle cycleBoth lead to lipolysis anyways, but the problem with low fat high carbohydrates is that the only foods that are full of micronutrients and have a decent macro profile like milk (anything other than whole uht milk or raw milk will have an abysmal micro profile, unless dubiously "reinforced") or whole yogurt or nut butter (peanut, almond etc) or chocolate are in the area where you're getting both fats and carbohydrates at once sometimes almost equal ratios so they wont always fit your macros. If you take out the fat you take out micronutrients. I guess the preference for keto is to incite you to eat more whole animal foods to get your micros dialed in, but personally im not a fan although im not against it because i find restricting fruits or honey weird CICO denies any of this is relevant and assumes your body is a bomb calorimeter that treats everything that goes into your stomach indiscriminately and cico midwits will just tell you "akchually that's just increasing the "CI"". They legit think we can solve fever by "raising or lowering the temperature" and just dip the person into cold water tada celsius in celsius out biology doesn't exist goy you should only use thermodynamics
>>77214481You do it in conjunction with general cico.Keto metabolism is a bit higher than carb metabolism so there's an adjustment there. But you still have to excrete more molecules than you eat. Keto is just generally good for heath and satiety
It’s a lot less mentally taxing than cico. It works with many people’s biology. If your blood sugar and insulin spikes lead to extreme hunger then keto just removes all that shit and makes dieting easy. You also lose a bunch of water weight at the start so it’s very motivating in that way. But long term you will need carb refeeds to perform your best imo and it also just gets really fucking old. If you find a good way to cycle keto dieting that fits with your lifestyle it might be optimal for you, worth a try
>>77214481>why would you do it over regular CICO?It works because of CICO. Also it makes you lean very quickly because you lose water weight, and it enhances your cognition. People also find that they don't feel drowsy post-mealtime>does it have real benefits beyond appetite reduction -> weight loss?All diets are an appetite management game. >what are the main downsides?Until you're fat adapted it's hard to perform as well in the gym as when you have carbs. It's also hard on your social life.
>>77214629>It works because of CICOKek
>>77214481No reason except for restricting certain foods makes you more mindful and prevents you from snacking. The water weight you lose can also help with motivation.
>>77214481Correlates to heart disease and colon and bowel cancer if consuming lots of red meat
>>77214481>why would you do it over regular CICO?1. Because you don't get hungry.2. It's healthier.3. You become fat adapted (which is a lot better than being blood sugar adapted).
>>77214481Keto works. CICO doesn't.
>>77215081For the gorillionth time, those studies linking red meat to cancer failed to isolate variables properly. Subjects of the study who ate red meat were also more likely to smoke, (and be less health/wellness minded overall) leading to a correlation of higher cancer rates. Vegetarians will also quote these studies while eating goyslop "meat replacements"
I've lost weight doing both, keto works mostly because youre less hungry due to having more stable blood sugar producing less ghrelin, also fat and protein is highly satiating causing you to eat less overall. It literally does come down to caloriesThe benefit is that most fatties lack self control and have an all or nothing mentality so a restrictive diet where you can't even have a little bit of carbs ends up being easier to stick to.the down side is you are thirsty as fuck all the time and you are absolutely worse in the gym without carbs
>>77215160In order for this image to have any validity whatsoever, they'd have to post how much calories they are eating (CI) and how much calories they are expending (CO). People on Keto do this whole "unlimited calories!" bullshit and then only eat like 1,500 calories a day. Which, by the way, is CICO.
>>77215377Point is calories as a unit of measure dont matter
>>77215404Calories matter, but obviously if you try to only eat 1500kcal of fast food per day you will end up binging. What you eat is important for satiety, counting calories is important for tracking and controlling your intake. It's still going to be imprecise, but much better than eyeing it out and it's the only way to lose weight fast without binging because you ate too little
>>77215377You can eat more calories on keto and will still lose weight. I don't know why anyone would bother measuring (estimating, actually) calories in their food. The calorie measurement has nothing to do with obesity. CICO is a scam.>I expected that even though I was eating 2500 calories a day, an increase of 500 calories a day for me, that I would not gain much weight, I already knew that eating fat and protein doesn't make you fat.>The biggest and most unexpected change was losing so much body fat in the 30 days. I lost 19.6 pounds by the end of the monthhttps://ketogasm.com/the-bacon-experiment-interview/
>>77215666>ketogasm.comtopkek btfo by your own reply
>>77215668You win. I cannot rebut vague criticism of a domain name.I will now have to use the "new concept in weight control" (cico) advertised to people by sugar information inc in 1957. It won't help me stay lean but at least I will be doing what literally every mainstream organization, food manufacturer, and pharmaceutical company want.
1 - It's a very well established scientific fact that elevated insulin levels block the body's ability to burn fat (lypolisis).If your goal is to lose BODY FAT, not just any body weight, you need to keep low insulin levels, or you'll struggle forever.2 - Our body doesn't produce the correct type of insulin to deal with dietary carbohydrates.Our insulin rises too slowly to match the blood sugar spike caused by carbs, and remains for long after they're gone, causing tiredness.The type of insulin we produce is appropriate to deal with the blood glucose spike caused by consuming large amounts of animal protein (meat).This is proof that our biology is that of an obligate carnivore animal.Here's a doctor explaining it: https://youtube.com/shorts/ihJDXwOnpxM3 - Carbohydrates rot your teeth. Without modern dental hygiene technology (toothpaste, toothbrushes, etc.) your "normal balanced diet" would result in multiple rotten and lost teeth before 30.That alone is all the proof you need that carbohydrates are not a part of your biologically-mandated natural diet and are harmful.4 - Chronically elevated insulin bloats you and makes you retain water. A lot of the "body fat" that people try to lose with a non-ketogenic approach is just water retention that you simply cannot lose without dropping the carbohydrates. Picture related.
>>77215710This is true.
>>77215674Nta but I think anyone whose dietary habits are so out of whack that he frequents sites dedicated to specific elimination diets has absolutely zero credibility when it comes to bulking and cutting.
>>77214481Keto doesn't even reduce your appetite unless you're fat. When I do it (<13%), I am just ravenous all the time.I'm angry because I wasted months with this retarted diet.
>>77215666>You can eat more calories on keto and will still lose weight.That's objectively false. Keto dieters are just too stupid to properly count calories.I've done it myself and Keto/carnivore were the fastest way to gain body fat.
>>77216379Frequents?>>77217770Nice try, vegan.
>>77217791>ketolard doesn't know what it means to frequent a placeIndian?
>>77217805Who are you saying frequents what website? Based on what evidence?
>>77214481>why would you do it over regular CICO?lack of willpower>does it have real benefits beyond appetite reduction -> weight loss?yes, it's very hard to go over maintenance with keto foods>what are the main downsides?headaches, temporary hair loss
