This video:https://youtu.be/OZWb7nFg5kQ?si=ovrAiXt9yOGtCkj1Suggests that over head press is far more important than bench press for strength development. Obviously doing bench will make you strong but could they be correct that OHP is better than Bench for pure strength gains?
My bench is absolute poverty compared to my other lifts Im kind of contemplating completely replacing it with OHP if i dont have a 150kg bench by the end of the year
>>77222320I can’t even do heavy ohp anymore. It’s the only lift that fucks with my right shoulder.
>>77222329Do it with dumbbells instead
>>77222325If you do report back on what you see strength or physique wise. Currently i cant go to the gym so i have been doing bodyweight exercises. I want to do ohp but handstand pushups will suffice till i can get out of my living situation
>>77222320No. OHP is obsolete if you're not competing in strongman. Even olympic weightlifters prefer the bench press versus a strict overhead press.
>>77222343That's completely wrong. There's gold medalist oly who can bench about the average 1-2 yr regulars bench aka around 2pl8. You're thinking of Olympic throwersIt's a chest exercise that relies on elbow contraction and scapula movement, it doesn't support any part of the jerk.
heres a non casual opinion. If you work a manual labor job where you constantly pick up stuff ohp will suffer. It'll be hard to brace properly and out of every compound lift deadlifts, squat, bench ohp is the most demanding when it comes to brace. Benching will probably be easier to progress and give more tricep upper body development. Either way you do not want a povery ohp or bench so if you gained like 30 pounds in bench progress consider revisiting the ohp for a little bit even if u work job that hinders ur ohp bracing.
>>77222343>Even olympic weightlifters prefer the bench pressI have never seen an oly lifter do bench. Ive seen some do dips. Ive seen oly lifters do handstand pushups. But never bench
>>77222349Nah, if olympic weightlifter wanted to improve their jerk then they would just jerk, the whole point of accessory movements is to not be completely specific to your sport that's why they prefer the bench and if the wanted something more specific then they would do the push press but there is literally no reason for them to strict press.
>>77222363>if you're tired, you will have less energy for your liftsi dont think thats a non casual opinion anon. Whats next? if you dont drink water you will be thirsty?
>>77222369Your shoulders need stability and strength to perform the jerk, it's not just a "jump". Your delts are involved, of course they train stricts https://youtube.com/shorts/n9u5etv_WsI?si=HlXJbWxggYO8bvt7
>>77222371im just saying dont expect to lock down ur core after yesterday of manual labor job of hauling hundred things around causing back impingement wear much easier with bench to make upper body progress and not slam head against wall if working manual labor shit.
>>77222320Of the big four barbell movements, the order of precedence (from most important for overall health and strength goals to least important) is: squat > overhead press > deadlift > bench press. And the "importance" as a relative measure is probably 40:30:20:10. So squat is four times as important as bench press, and twice as important as deadlift.
>>77222329>>77222329Close ur grip fucking retard>>77223176Where does the pendlay and chinup fit in all of this
>>77222320Its obvious that ohp is the far more functional exercise, and also safer, since you cannot possibly pick something up and push it over your head you arent prepared to handle.
My seated OHP is the same as my incline bench.
>>77223287Neither is one of the big four. In my personal opinion, pullups (not chinups) are probably the third most important for strength goals (if you can only pick three) but not overall health, and any row variation is less important than deadlift. So let's say 25 for pullups and 5 for pendlay rows if your goal is strength, and 0 for both if your goal is overall health. Old people have to sit down and stand up, and get things off the shelf, and pick things up off the ground, but they don't have to stiff-backed pick a piece of iron up off the floor. And if they do, they probably won't be able to walk the next day, so it's less important than the deadlift that at least teaches them how to pick something up with a neutral spine.
>>77222320Clean and press is the ulimate lift. I will die on this hill.
>>77222365Pretty much. And it seems like they don't even really press. Which I find baffling. It seems very applicable. >>77222369>there is literally no reason for them to strict press.It makes your shoulders strong>>77222387Your posts are not bad but I cannot take them seriously with the 'ur' and zero punctuation thing.
>>77223176I get what you're saying, but the deadlift is maybe the only one that would suffice by itself. If you ONLY deadlifted, all your bases would still be pretty much covered. >>77223288I suppose there's the chance of dropping it on yourself but I have never seen it happen
>>77224046Press would probably develop bad habits for snatch and jerk. It is not a similar movement.
>>77222320Overhead press is based. I have 80kg x 6 overhead press as my best ever set. I definitely think it helped with raw upper body strength, and even translated over to bench press. I honestly think most people just shit on this lift, say it doesn't build any muscle and call it a stupid ego lift and all that, because they suck at it and max out at like 40kg. I get it though, I would hate bench press if my best was sub 1pl8, it's natural to not enjoy something you're not good atI've got some advice for anons wanting to build up their ohp>eat big because you won't build up to a big number while on a cut just like other lifts>Have at least one session a week where OHP is the main thing you do and give it the same intensity you'd give bench. 5x5 is solid for it, especially when you're still just building up to 1pl8. It needs proper focus, you can't just do it after you've already tired yourself out benching. And too many people only do it like once a month and then it's with some half arsed baby weight>Seated smith machine is a good way to build up your power on this lift when you've stalled>Work on explosiveness, it helped me a lot using light weight and pushing the bar up as fast as I possibly could for like 15-20 reps. On heavy sets you should try and push it fast, even though the bar will end up going fairly slow>Get the right shoes, you don't wanna be doing this in running shoes. the right shoes literally make kilograms of difference in strengthAnd another one is to get good at weighted dips, it really did feel like the strength from those translated over well. This is just stuff that got my number big anyway
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>>77224054>I get what you're saying, but the deadlift is maybe the only one that would suffice by itself. If you ONLY deadlifted, all your bases would still be pretty much covered.If you can only do one, for overall health and strength goals it's the squat. The barbell squat is the most functional of the big four, and builds the most useful strength. If you can only do two, then squat and overhead press. I love to deadlift, but there's no way its a replacement for either squat or overhead press.
>>77224046Dips are simply Superior.
I've never really understood the whole "OHP is more functional" argument. I've never really strict ohp'd anything irl. I've done a sort of layback-incline press many times, and I need to push and pull with my arms lower than shoulder height all the time. If anything the most functional exercises would be deadlift/row, curls and front raises. I do those movements for hours every day.
>>77224661What really matters is just getting the muscles you use strong. Which direction you face or how much you bend isn't the issue. If you use your shoulders a lot, which most manual labor does, then press is good, because it makes strong shoulders. Even if you don't replicate the movement IRL.
>>77223176I agree with the assessment, although my build is less conducive to squat and pressure I like them a bit more and feel their impact more
>>77224034Clean and press until you cannot press, then keep cleaning until you cannot clean is a good quick session if you don't feel like going in and grinding out a lot of heavy lifts
>>77224726then what is the argument for doing the ohp vs dumbbell raises if dumbbell raises target the shoulders more directly than the ohp?
>>77224061Correct, receiving weight with locked elbows is an entirely different program than the press-out which is a no-no
>>77223176>trap bar deadlift > squat > overhead press > deadlift > bench press;-)
>>77224132Your experience resonates with mine, my best bench gains came after I left it aside and concentrated on the press. And then one day the rack was occupied and I was fucking around and found out that I was throwing around 2pl8 for reps like nothing, so I hopped onto benching like mad until the gains petered out due to a lack of overhead pressing.Explosiveness is a great point, I try to rep out after the top set with each rep making the bar clack. It's like restorative work, feels better to do those than not. I think it may be allowing may scaps to move up and into the press better, unlocking them somehow. I also power clean the weight before pressing a maximal rep, there's some added neural drive you gain from it.
>>77222320another faggot "influencer" invents an entirely pointless fake controversy to get montezied views.
>>77224661True that you kind of do a lay back incline press when there's a need IRL, but the demands are much more similar to a strict overhead press than pressing off a bench supporting your back.
>>77224774To each their own man. Getting in the gym and being active, knowing what motivates you to do that, is more important than what exercise you do.
>>77224785If you want your grip to determine your upper limit on strength, sure.
>>77224132This. Separating bench and OHP into Monday and Thursday changed my life. I hit 150 on OHP once it was free to be a focus and hit 225 for the first time in my life last week. Skull crushers as a secondary lift for each of those days to make sure the triceps get theirs. My back is the weakest part of me. I have not hit 405 yet on DL, and I hate rows. I’m trying though. My biceps are also weak comparatively. I can do a 335 squat though, I just hate it of course.
>>77224779I suppose practical. Easier to load a barbell with small weight increases past a certain point
>>77222335>>77222329Weak faggots
>>77224132>I can only squat 185lbs, and my legs are really skinny>Therefore, squats must be a bad leg exerciseSame logic as the weakfags who say overhead press is a bad shoulder exercise
