Looking into getting picrel>better protein concentration >cheaper>healthier for cholesterol Why shouldn’t I take it?>inb4 onions
>OP's goal body
>>77223325not as well absorbed by the body as whey, protein concentration is functionally identical (doesn't matter), only a tiny bit cheaper. it also has about 20-30% less leucine. it's fine but unless you're particularly concerned about the cholesterol or money stuff i'd just stick with a good quality whey
>plant "protein"
>>77223337ThisPlus estrogen
>>77223325Why would normal whey be less healthy for cholesterol? Saturated fats is what raises the cholesterol level which whey don’t really have in meaningful levels
>>77223325The only sane reasons to use plant proteins instead of whey are if you have a milk allergy against milk protein, or if you have some religious reason. It has a worse protein concentration of less bioavailable protein. Protein has zero impact on cholesterol regardless jfc. If you have to take plant protein, use pea protein rather than soi.
>>77223348"Beef protein" exists he has no excuse
Also cholesterol is a shitty metric for anything>muh ldlsame shitit's literally a steroid ffs
there is no evidence to show that complete plant proteins such as onions and pea are inferior to animal proteins such as whey concentrate and whey isolateplease prove me wrong and cite your sources :)
>>77223325Isolate is fine. Any form of defatted soi is going to eliminate most of it's isoflavone content. But you could make the same argument for whey isolate and cholesterol how can it affect your cholesterol if it doesn't contain fat?
>>77223382Maybe if he was cow intolerant (hindu)?Is there cow poo/piss protein?
>>77223420My evidence is why dont indians and mexicans and east asians grow muscle from it ? Ergo it's unusable. Who cares about in vitro rat bs.
>>77223443If that's your evidence, you're a fucking clown. Have you ever thought that volume of protein is also an important factor? why dont you look up the daily protein intake of indians holy shit you're dumb
>>77223325This same exact threat has been posted a million times and it never ceases to amaze me how many people fall for the bait.
>>77223456Sorry you're so upset about being proven wrong, im always open to discussion at the condition that you calm down and recollect your thoughts. Otherwise i wish you a jolly rest of your day.
>>77223457It's not bait. It is a vegan who sincerely wants to trick people into thinking plant-based protein is good.
>>77223457Not bait, just poorfag who is looking for cheaper per kg protein
>>77223477pea and soi are perfectly fine, in fact in satiety studies of whey, casein, and pea, both casein and pea had higher satiety scores than the whey, these proteins are digested more slowly in the blood stream, which does offer some advantage.
>>77223325Onions protein is the OG bodybuilding supplement, it's just a retarded boomer myth that onions is bad for you.Only problem is it's hella fucking clumpy and sticky, you will have a hard time washing the dishes after it.
>>77223502All protein powders are like that I think.Pea/rice/soi plant protein powders go well with soups, it is the best use I came up for them.
>>77223456Don’t argue with the concession troon. Never posted body btw
>>77223325>Why shouldn’t I take it?There isn't one.>bUt tHiNk Of tHe s°y!¡!¡!¡So all of that bullshit is because it has, to my knowledge, the highest concentrations of phytoestrogen, which can produce estrogenic effects in people. Here is the issue, the phytoestrogen is gone, well damn near. You would get more phytoestrogen from eating a whole head of broccoli than you would a whole jar of glycine max protein.
>>77223630... Holy shit bro, you're legit a genius... I fucking love soup, can't believe I never thought of this! How bad is the clumping when you use it for that? Do you cool it with it or do you add it in after?
>>77223382>>77223438Actually the religious reason I was thinking was Lent thank you very much.
>>77223712>>77223423
>>77223753I wouldn't expect your average tard on 4chan to understand that a relatively high concentration in the finished product ≠ enough to do fuck all. That "high concentration," is in relation to comparable things, like other proteins & plants. It is still practically nothing and even in women, who are significantly more sensitive to estrogen than men, saw no fucking affects. Please post a picture of yourself. I have this theory that every tard worried about being feminized by glycine max is already a little pantyboy.
>>77223765>Dyel tripfaggot has no concept of what microdosing is
>>77223771Its not even microdosing. 2 scoops of soi protein or getting phytoestrogen from any other source will put you above the safe range in xer's own image.
>>77223479The purpose of whey in bodybuilding is the opposite of satiety
>>77223845the purpose of protein in bodybuilding is to build muscle and respond to protein synthesishigh satiety slow digesting proteins are associated with less muscle loss during catabolic phases like sleep
>>77223853Nothing you said is relevant to my statement. Whey is the fastest digesting protein. Its used primarily for post workout protein synthesis, not satiety.
>>77223753>>77223765>AI
>>77223771>microdosingby that logic, microdosing acid would eventually give you a full blown trip. plot twist: it doesn't. everyone arguing about onions in this thread is a genuine retard.
>>77223867there is no association between protein timing and muscle growth. Fast digesting protein is mostly turned into sugar via gluconeogenesis, you do not use it fast enough.
>>77223867Post workout protein "synthesis" is just rebuilding damaged fibers from pre-existing aminos. Whey aminos hit bloodstream fast and if you drink 30g most of them get converted into glucose and that is used to rebuild fibers. Protein synth is demand driven, excess aminos get converted into glucose each pass. Slow protein = good, fast protein = expensive glucose.
Just buy dried basedbeans, cheap as pissThey take forever to cook though, you'll want a pressure cooker
>>77223720>How bad is the clumping when you use it for that? Do you cool it with it or do you add it in after?I add it in as the hardest vegetables are still softening during the boil.
>>77223325If you're asking for genuine advice about protein on /fit/ you're not going to find it, what you'll have is a bunch of looksmaxxer posers who totally gymrat tell you "MEAT MEAT MEAT, ANYTHING ELSE IS LE BAD!" The particularly annoying ones who say "UH, GRAINS? DID YOU SAY GRAINS? SHEEP! LMAO!" These people are brown, have broccoli hair, and have the physique of a mosquito tits girl. If you want a sincere answer because of dietary restrictions; if you're Ovo Lactose, Eggs, Cottage Cheese, Yogurt serve as a decent supplement with cuts of whey for further supplement. Try to avoid anything that specifically says "Vegetarian" because all food is vegetarian until it has meat in it, which is, funnily enough ,as rare as truly vegan food. If you're pescetarian, then that's your golden zone son, because your kings are tuna, salmon, mackeral, Atlantic Cod, and shrimp. A good kino dish is Tuna with Eggs, Mozzerella, with Mustard Greens and Pepper served on Rye. If you want a superpowered protein, make a fish mix of Mackeral, Pink Salmon and Tuna, with hard Boiled eggs, garlic, and mustard greens.
>>77223882Complete and utter bullshit. Excess protein will extremely slowly get converted to glucose as your body needs the energy. That process is so slow that it renders any discussion of the digestion speed of the protein itself redundant.
>>77223906the body CANNOT store protein, there is NO STORAGE FOR PROTEIN you stupid stupid stupid fucking person. Holy fuck you don't even know the basic physiology surrounding this topic
>>77223916>didn't refute my point at all in the slightestVery low IQ. Who said anything about storage? What a retard.
>>77223942you dont get excess protein you fucking tard, the reason why slow digesting protein is slow digesting is because it is physically in your gut and your body is absorbing it, once your body absorbs it, the body utilizes it very rapidly. If you consume rapidly digesting protein, it hits your blood, it is not in your gut, and most of it is wasted.You don't know what the fuck you're talking about and you are talking to someone that does.
>>77223958It goes into your blood, where it stays and is used for synthesis or in excess amounts is extremely slowly converted to glucose or in most cases piss, at a rate that renders discussion of digestion speed irrelevant. But continue not refuting my points and being a retard I guess.
>>77223962>where it stays and is used for synthesis or in excess amounts is extremely slowly converted to glucoseno wrong, you're fucking wrong jesus christ. You're too stupid to even realize you've already been refuted.
>>77223964Oh, so I've been arguing with concessiontranny this whole time. My mistake for entertaining discussion with you I suppose.
Newfags can't ꜱoy
It's cheap, nasty, heavily sprayed and they put that shit in everything that should tell you all you need to know
>>77224011onions
>>77223325>>77223337>>77223420I am broke as shit and its cheap here in asia, 1/3 the price of whey. I just mix it with whey and diet right, you should get the full amino profile
>2026>people still retardedAnother day another win>https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/39813010/>No significant difference was found between plant or animal protein for muscle strength>https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7312446/>A practical application is that consuming plant protein can support strength and muscle development comparably to whey protein>https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6358922/pdf/sports-07-00012.pdf>To summarize, our data suggest that whey and pea proteins promote similar strength, performance, body composition, and muscular adaptations >https://www.mdpi.com/2072-6643/12/8/2382/htm>no differences found between pea and whey proteins
>>77224112>https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/19524224/>The results of this meta-analysis suggest that neither onions foods nor isoflavone supplements alter measures of bioavailable T concentrations in men.>https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/11352776/>We conclude that the phytoestrogen dose consumed had no effect on semen quality.>https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/19819436/>Consumption of onions protein of low or high isoflavone content does not adversely affect semen quality in a sample of healthy adult men.>https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/20378106/>The intervention data indicate that isoflavones do not exert feminizing effects on men at intake levels equal to and even considerably higher than are typical for Asian males.>https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/30042516/>These data suggest that, while isoflavones were detected in SPC, chronic WPC or SPC supplementation did not appreciably affect biomarkers related to muscle androgenic signaling or SQ estrogenic signaling. The noted fiber type-specific responses to WPC and SPC supplementation warrant future research.
>>77224119>https://academic.oup.com/jn/article/132/3/570S/4687378>The reported studies suggest that onions consumption exerts small effects on hormones in both men and premenopausal women. Although these effects are generally in a beneficial direction>beneficial direction>https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/35197681/> Results obtained in this study provide additional evidence about the favourable effect of a plant-based diet on sperm parameters.>https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0002916522105332?via%3Dihub>Primary food sources of phytoestrogens, including tofu, onions milk, whole grains, tea, and flaxseed, were also inversely associated with total mortality.>https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/19480732/>Isoflavone supplementation in healthy males may enhance cognitive processes which appear dependent on oestrogen activation.
>>77223325>Protein isolate>Whey>Processed dogshit Eat eggs you dumb fuck
>>77224112>>77224119>>77224122>be me>decide to cut down on animal produce with goal of going vegan>don't tell people I'm doing this>people notice my food>people get mad>people ooga booga about how only flesh makes flesh>show them medical research>they get more angry>caveman style crap their pants about how much of an idiot I supposedly am>don't care, enjoy basedchunks with rice and hotsaucewhy do people get so butthurt when someone else does something they don't like even though it doesn't even affect them in the slightest?I lost over 30kg in the past year and built up about 3kg in lean muscle since I started working out in october all while cutting down on meat and dairy.
>>77223882>>77223874Totally irrelevant. I said what it's primarily used for. I don't care if it works. I don't personally do it. But that's why people utilize that kind of protein specifically.
>>77224058What do cows eat
>>77224131>Eat something that's 70% fat for protein.Post body (you won't)
>>77224112>>77224119>>77224122NOOOOO I MUST BE AFRAID OF THE BEANS
>>77224152grass unless you live in some shithole but a ruminant is much better equipment to digest s𐐬yslop overall
>>77223338>>77223333Nobody Who claims onions protein turns you gay ever has an impressive build. Post body with timestamps.>>77223443You fucking retard. Most Mexicans and indians do not work out. You don't get big by just eating protein. Outted yourself as a dyel retard. Post your body with timestamp.
>>77224209You can always buy/order grassfed regardless. You can also always buy/order organic plant stuff. I'm convinced glyphosate spammers are all underage or live in their parent's basement and have never set foot in a grocery store.
>>77223443Why are Americans the most obese country when they avoid tofu?
>>77224209And whais grass sprayed with
>>77224276>angry bitch vibesLow test detected
>>77224209>pesticides are fine when a cow eats 200 times as much as a human does, it has no effect and definitely doesn't build up in their fat cells which are eaten by humans
>>77224296Nothing, usually. Cattle is generally raised in areas where grass grows naturally with no need for herbicides, fertilizer, or pesticides. Grass is the weeds herbicides are supposed to kill.
>>77224305Nope. Now post body with timestamp dyel (you won't because you're a weak faggot)
>>77223420>please prove me wrong and cite your sourcesstay puny, cocksucker, you are not my problem
>>77223853>catabolic phases like sleeppic related you, btw?>>77223867stop arguing with this retard
>>77224331Well you have the added benefit of getting every other nutrient red meat offers, with s𐐬y you're just getting nothing but downsides, hence why countries where it is heavily consumed are shorter on average
>>77224333Oh, okay. You have absolutely no idea how actual food is produced. Carry on. I won't argue further.
>>77224682Thanks for conceding the point.
>>77225058>U.S we're not talking about third world countries paco, in human societies animals are able to graze on pasture
>>77225458Weird how a third world country has a currency that's the world standard and you're speaking the primary language right now.
>>77225480>the primary language>englishyour language came from a country in europe like all your fucking immigrant ancestors you absolute imbecile the US has nothing outside of terror and powerstruggles to present the world. no history, no culture.
>>77225507Sorry you're so upset.
>>77223348>religious reasons>sane???
>>77225575Youre so cool for rejecting the glue that's held together communities and society for aeons. Post a picture of your RGB lit gaming computer with your gooning material open and your purple room lights on, all much more sane and important things
>>77225575>>77225586BRUTAL
