What's the final verdict on Keto?
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>>77226655Doesn't bacon cause cancer?
>>77226659Bacon is a thing only because of Edward fucking Bernays and his gay little marketing (read: propaganda) campaignAnd yes, it's cancerous
>>77226655Redditor meme diet
no one on the board but ketoschizo (still fat after a decade) takes it seriously
>>77226655Best diet
>>77226655It’s super gayNice digits
>>77226655Based and homoerotic
My verdict is that it works great for weightloss and hunger management, but is hard to stick with (mainly because of meal planning and real life being full of carbs) and is pretty bad for lifting, and detrimental for bulking.Real fatties should do keto to slim down fast, get lean, and THEN start lifting and calorie counting. However if they can't stick with it it doesn't work. It's an all or nothing diet. So the first time they break down and have carbs, that's the sign they should do something else. It's only for the highly self-motivated and consistent.
I don't get why carbs matter.So long as you're hitting your calorie target and getting enough protein, shouldn't everything else just fall into place?
>>77226902Yes, but ketogenesis is a different metabolic pathway that ONLY activates when you're carb free long enough for blood sugar to start dropping, and if you eat carbs your body resets to preferentially burn carbs.While in keto, the body burns fat at a steady pace to match energy needs, and hunger is naturally suppressed. It's kinda complicated, read Dr. Fung's books about diabetes and obesity for the full background.Basically carbs = hungryketo = not hungryMost people overeat because their hunger/satiety systems are faulty, and keto gets around that. If one has the willpower to overcome their FEELINGS of hunger, then yes only CICO matters and the laws of thermodynamics will do their job.I'm not well versed at all but from my understanding GLP-1 agonists (ozempic) do something similar and turn off the feeling of hunger, so people naturally eat less and lose weight. Ultimately it really does come down to just eating less.
>Start keto>No more hunger>No more anxiety>Everything is clear, like a veil has been lifted from my eyes>Start thinking I must be fucking crazy>There's no way a diet can be literally lifechanging>Stumble upon some peer-reviewed medical literature>Ketosis is somewhat used to combat epilepsy, autism, migraines and depression>Maybe I'm not crazy afterallCons:>Your lifts will plateau>Your recovery will be shit>You will look like Starvin Marvin
The hunger hing is absolutely real.I tried an 18hour ish fasting, with carbs. I ate two times within 2hours, being hungry for the second meal.A month into keto and I go like 8 hours after first meal without feeling any hunger, basically have to force myself to eat.Just keep on up electrolytes and you should be fine, no brainfog.
my experience doing "clean" keto (i literally just ate meat and veggies) for six months was it's impossible to really gain weight on, and impossible to not lose weight on. just eating massive chicken salads, huge steaks, salmon etc every day and no matter what the weight just kept falling off until i was skelly. i felt fucking amazing on it mentally, like a low dose of klonopin with zero brain fog, but got too skinny and started having calf cramps from electrolyte defficiency. i had no issues with energy to work out or do cardio, but i didn't really progress on anything except vo2 max. if i needed to lose 20-50lbs i'd do it again. not a cheap diet though if you want to do it with non-processed food.
>>77226961I reached ketosis once while fasting. Jesus Christ how amazing that was. I should try to do that again and then pursue with only proteins and fats for a little bit see if I can melt some random fat I don't really care about the fat loss but I have bloating issue. Only time I had a flat stomach that I can even remember.
>>77226655Very effective but don’t do it, you’ll regret it once you reach 45/50. Or do it just once in your life.
>>77226902>I don't get why carbs matter1 - It's a very well established scientific fact that elevated insulin levels block the body's ability to burn fat (lipolysis).If your goal is to lose BODY FAT, not just any body weight, you need to keep low insulin levels, or you'll struggle forever.2 - Our body doesn't produce the correct type of insulin to deal with dietary carbohydrates.Our insulin rises too slowly to match the blood sugar spike caused by carbs, and remains for long after they're gone, causing tiredness and hunger.The type of insulin we produce is appropriate to deal with the blood glucose spike caused by consuming large amounts of animal protein (meat).This is proof that our biology is that of an obligate carnivore animal.Here's a doctor explaining it: https://youtube.com/shorts/ihJDXwOnpxM3 - Carbohydrates rot your teeth.Without modern dental hygiene technology (toothpaste, toothbrushes, etc.) your "normal balanced diet" would result in multiple rotten and lost teeth before 30.That alone is all the proof you need that carbohydrates are not a part of your biologically-mandated natural diet and are harmful.4 - Chronically elevated insulin bloats you and makes you retain water.A lot of the "body fat" that people try to lose with a non-ketogenic approach is just water retention that you simply cannot lose without dropping the carbohydrates. Picture related. Just google "insulin induced lipohypertrophy". Insulin makes your fat cells swell and fill with water regardless of caloric intake,
>>77227250And yes, this is a copypasta. If you're all going to be asking the same questions over and over again, you'll get the same answers. Cry about it.
>>77227250This guy can’t bench 185 lol
>>77226737>Eating fat and protein is bad for building muscle and hormonal balanceThis is your mind on CICO
>>77226655its purely for showtime, not the training period.
>>77227250>Without modern dental hygiene technology (toothpaste, toothbrushes, etc.) your "normal balanced diet" would result in multiple rotten and lost teeth before 30. This stems from Egyptians having sand in their bread.Not joining your hairloss cult ketoschizo. Cope and seeth
>>77226655The diet that works best is the one you can stick to. If that means a balanced diet, great. If that means keto, great. If that means vegetarian, great. If that means carnivore, great. As long as you eat less than you spend, you'll lose weight.
>>77228570>balanced dietMeaningless buzzword
>>77226737Changing your diet when you lose weight is a bad idea and often why people gain the weight back. You need to think of weight loss as systems vs goals. You don't say "I want to weigh X I will eat less until I hit that weight then eat more again." You say "I am going to eat less until my weight reaches a new plateau point and then if I am okay with that weight, continue to eat at that level, or, if I am not okay with it, lower the amount I eat further." About a decade ago I did the latter; I didn't set a weight loss goal, I changed my diet system, and as I lost weight I continued to change it until I reached a point I liked (I lost about 70lbs total). I have kept the weight off because there has been nothing to change; I just keep eating the same foods in the same amounts I have for years.
>>77228579Balanced diet refers to what most people would call a regular died. You eat a little of everything with nothing really excluded. I guess you could call it a modern western european diet?
Based and redpilled unless you are an endurance athlete. Then you need carbs.
It’s for retarded snowflakes and subhuman diabetics. You can just eat a balanced diet and be fit and healthy.
Keto was the natural diet of humans
>>77226655Do it yourself ahd make your own decision you fucking muppet.>>77228807Also this
>>77228783>is that>a fit male?>im gonna>BOOOOOOOOOOOM
Bacon wrapped steak is absolute shit
Notice how keto advocates never post body
>>77226659source: zutt hadith
>>77227250>It's a very well established scientific fact that elevated insulin levels block the body's ability to burn fat (lipolysis).It's not established at all lol. Look at the creepy fruitarian skeletons and accept you fell for marketing grifts as usual.
>>77226674>[Thing] only exists because of [propaganda]Leftists are legitimately delusional with how they view history and market forces. Like as if nothing can even come about because people want something, it always has to be the result of propaganda or something from a rich boogie man. Like grass lawns.
>>77229157typically, models get dinerosi'll post a greedcoin address if you'll deposit a good donation
>>77229262>people didn't want bacon until the father of propaganda got hired by a rich man with lots of bacon to create propaganda about how much they want bacon>this is natural and normal and if you notice you're a delusional leftist
>>77229300Counterpoint: people enjoy eating bacon
>>77229316They would enjoy lentils and cottage cheese if that had been propagandized instead.
>>77229471Based retard
>>77229316The bacon haters are probably slimes.
>>77228625Wrongthere are guys running consecutive marathons without eating
>>77229300>>77226674>>77229471>If someone uses advertising to promote a product this automatically means the product is bad and evilYes, you are a retarded leftist. This is the #1 leftard talking point of all time.Also, the same advertising techniques were also used to promote to the masses breakfast cereal full of synthetic dyes and sugar, vegan fake meat replacements, and so on.Why are these products valid choices but not bacon? Shut the fuck up faggot.
>>77229635to play jews' advocate, cereal is considered only "part" of a "healthy breakfast"
Wow look at all the ketards who’ve posted body ittOh wait
>>77228346>>77229182>>77229644Cry harder.
>>77226655Keto is based. CICO is fake and gay.
>>77229661post timestamped body, you won't
>>77226991>Cons:>>Your lifts will plateau>>Your recovery will be shit>>You will look like Starvin MarvinUm, no. It is 100% possible to get sufficient protein on a keto diet, and I challenge you to show me the study that supports your claim. Cause I've seen several that show it has zero impact 1rm or recovery. You might feel like that for a little while, ketosis is hard to get used to at first, but once it's in full gear, as long as you're getting enough time between sessions you will be fine. If anything you might have to drop your reps till you asdjust.
>>77229669>>77229659None of you faggots ever do either kek
Lotta yappin about keto yet no bodiesInteresting
>>77229642If you regularly ate a breakfast pictured in the typical commercial that used that bullshit tagline, you'd be obese & diabetic before 30.
>>77229698Lotta shitting on keto, but no bodies, interesting.
>>77229706CICO can be trivially proven>starvation/fasting is a form of CICO>when you starve you lose body weight>therefore CICO facilitates weight losswhat you need to prove is keto being a miracle diet
>>77228625Incorrect. In fact, endurance sports are the only ones ketosis and more importantly, fat adaptation, has a direct performance buff.
>>77229715>what you need to prove is keto being a miracle dietNo i fucking don't, no one does, shit has been studied to death. The fact that it straight out cures T2 diabetes despite going against the mainstream medical recommended treatments should be enough to shut you knuckle dragging mouth breathers the fuck up. Like, open your eyes nigger. Google it, read a fucking book. There is no arguing with the fucking method of action. Keto being an effective diet is a fucking biological fact. People sucking at ANY and ALL forms of dieting is too, and you exploiting that, thinking it makes you look smart, is the dumbest fucking thing in the world, second only to your mother letting the cuck cum inside her.
>77229722how about you post your keto physique, professor tripfag?
>>77226902Even the late great Tom Platz spoke about the importance of carbs.
>>77226655Better results for fat loss than CICO alone in my experience. But not a magic bullet by any means.>>77226674Bernays didn't even invent bacon for breakfast as is commonly credited, he just made it more common in the US. Bacon has existed for millennia and became a thing for breakfast as soon as industrial production made it economically feasible in the 1800s cause bacon is good.
>Even the late great [roid tranny jew] spoke about the importance of carbs.
>>77226655In a year and a half of doing it 8 weeks on 4 weeks off I've gone from 122kgs to 90kgs while also gaining muscle and strength. It works. But the anti-keto schizos here are too retarded to do it right.You know who else is too retarded to do it right? Pic related.
>>77226655How many lbs of meat do ketoists eat?
>>77229722Indeed. And to know you're doing keto right all you need to do is piss on one of these and it tells you. And people like >>77229715 STILL fuck it up.
>>77229872miss playing Donkey Kong country
>>77229875My normal diet on keto is 2 strips of bacon and 2 eggs for breakfast, a can of salmon or tuna for lunch, and steak with brocolli and brussel sprouts for dinner. Snacks between meals are 10 almonds twice a day, a low carb protein bar on lift days and a protein shake. Drinks are black coffee, green tea and a magnesium drink once a day.Nothing insane. It's around 300-400 calorie deficit and thanks to ketosis you do it without being hungry, even when exercising.
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>>77227035I go into a little ketosis every day. I stop eating by 6pm and I don't eat again until ~ 6am. It's called Dinner - sleep - breakfast
>>77229911don't you miss carbs?
>>77226655I don't want to starve my muscles dry so I try to keep my carbs high
>>77229875I eat about 3lbs of beef a day.
>>77230074No, I miss my gf
If you are someone whose body does not handle carbs well then its good. If you arent then its going to make you feel bad.
>>77230095where is she?
>>77230100idk
I shit myself while sleeping once when I was three weeks in with no carbs. That's all I got
>>77230118lol wtf
>>77230147ye no carbs means less water retention so you'll have some watery shits, or somethin
>>77230167I guess if it's a drastic sudden change, this didn't happen to me. My poops became very small though which makes sense.
>>77230074Yes, that's why I do two months on one month off. But I'm at 90kgs now which is where I wanted to be, so now I will be staying off longer to see how it goes.
>>77226655Here. This is the verdict: anyone who resorts to extreme and unbalanced diets is looking for a simple solution to the more complex reality of human nutrition that demands a balanced approach instead of bluntly omitting whole food groups and then deluding yourself into thinking that you're healthy like that
>>77226655carbs help you shit
>still zero ketard bodies posted after two days
>>77230783low fat, low protein, only carbs really makes the best shits
>>77229691>>77229691>umm achkcually no>your recovery won't be affected>you just need more time between sessions or drop repsWhat a retard
>>77227008my problem is that i need to eat like 3,500 calories a day to gain any muscle, so keto is fatal to me. if i lost 50 lbs, i'd have a BMI of 13. the compromise is to put "clean" keto first, because at that point it's just minimally processed foods, and avoiding empty carbs in favor of whole grains. so the same basic diet that all of humanity has used throughout time...>>77227383fat and protein is great, but i can't just eat a dozen boiled eggs, half a block of cheese, two top sirloins cooked in butter, and a shot of olive oil every day. first of all my ass would be a geyser of diarrhea, and second i would die from malnutrition. i know you're not suggesting this at all, but it is remarkable how people think a cup of farro cooked in buttered water, which is 3 servings, will make them fat as if they had mcdonald's instead.
Checked, but I think keto is a gay diet. Just eat healthy nigga
>>77229691>>77231293i just think that if you're so fat you can afford to let your body consume itself, you're probably too weak to care about "reps." i'm in the bouldering gym 3x per week, and cannot understand how to physically eat enough of the food i wanna eat. i've been eating smoked salmon sandwiches with tons of fermented veggies and mayo and cheese, black bean and raw diced veggie salads dressed in olive oil + ACV, tuna steaks, snacking on boiled eggs and cheese and pepitas, sometimes making sushi rice or farro, sometimes eating like2-3 broccoli crowns or a whole bunch of asparagus, and it is not enough fucking food. i'm starving and my diet is not remotely close to "keto" because i'll just make a thing of pasta if i'm lazy or hungry
