Btw first time making a thread on this board, sorry if the subject has been discussed before.
>>77228277It does absolutely nothing for hair follicles that are already gone and takes way too long to see results.I think its over hyped like the Ashwagandha craze a cpl years ago.
>>77228292That's unfortunate, I'm searching for a non 5-alpha reductase inhibitor.
>>77228295>takes way too long to see resultsWhat I meant by that, was in regards to skin care. It apparently greatly improves the elasticity of the skin, but it takes like 4-5 weeks of almost pinning daily to see the results.
>>77228295>I'm searching for a non 5-alpha reductase inhibitorMeant I'm searching for an alternative that is not that since I can't handle it. >>77228303Yeah but I've seen some videos claiming it may help hair regrowth, don't wanna go on r/tressless because they are all fin junkies and will laugh at my question probably.
>>77228277From what I've observed so far, GHK-CU is, at best, as strong as topical tretinoin in regrowing hair. So basically doesn't do much other than let vellus hair grow slightly longer while you use it.Only finasteride, dutasteride and, to some degree, topical anti-androgens work to stop hairloss and only minoxidil potently grows hair.
>>77228308>Meant I'm searching for an alternative that is not that since I can't handle it.Imo either try to use topical anti androgens and hope they work or combine 0.1mg finasteride with aromatase inhibitors. There is basically no alternative when it comes to stopping hairloss.
>>77228311>>77228315Well that sucks. I've tried topical low dose and I can't do it. >aromatase inhibitorsWhat is that? If it fucks with my hormones I don't want it.
>>77228319Fin's side effects arise from too high estradiol not from the 5ar inhibition. Therefore, keeping estradiol under control with aromatase inhibitors could work to mitigate side effects.>If it fucks with my hormones I don't want it.Shave your head, look into the mirror then overthink my advice again after you've cried your heart out.
>>77228331Honestly I'd rather go bald than feel like how I felt on fin. It's not negotiable, lucky for those people who don't get sides, I'm not one of them. On the other hand I myself feel lucky that I'm not one of those people that have ruined their life with fin.
>>77228353Finasteride doesn't have any lasting side effects as proven by hundreds of failed lawsuits, the Biden era FDA's statements in court, finasteride's mechanism of action and a case study on dutasteride and PFS where the doctor suspected that the patient was just suffering from histrionic personality disorder. Think about it this way, if finasteride's effects could persist, you wouldn't need to take it forever to maintain your hair. The human body is very efficient at producing 5ar and somehow keeps producing more 5ar1 while on finasteride (luckily not 5ar2 though).
>>77228364I don't really care if PFS is real or not, I tried it myself and couldn't handle it at various doses and even low dose topical. I don't care about studies or lawsuits or whatever.
>>77228378You mentioned "ruined their life" and I corrected your statement. Obviously you are coping right now because men who genuinely don't care about their hair don't even bother trying out fin, so you're trying to convince yourself that it must be bad because you couldn't tolerate it yourself. I'll reiterate once again that you could try to take lower doses, use it more infrequently and combine fin with aromatase inhibitors to mitigate side effects because otherwise you'll end up feeling like shit due to your bald head for years to come. I've seen 80yo hatmaxxers who couldn't bear their hairloss, it's a traumatizing experience for many men.
>>77228389I explained that I have tried lower doses bro and taking in infrequently, I also I had no idea about the PFS thing when I initially started taking it. I found it way later after looking up side effects and what people are experiencing. I'm not really a severe case, just though that with fin my hair would look the way it did when I was 20. It's more of a vain thing.
has anyone tried it for skincare purpose? I have done research on it and it looks promising, likely the least annoying peptide there is. I am on retinol and would like to know how much of an increase it is compared to retinol or tretinoin. Is it worth the trouble of needing to be on vitamin C + zinc + collagen?
>>77228295Just use topical dutasteride.It is of equal efficacy to finasteride in clinical trials with basically no side effects. Add on some topical minoxidil and you'll be in good shape.Don't try to build some elaborate and retarded stack.
>>77228425Isn't Dutasteride like fin x10? Also I'm not sure they sell topical in my country. If lower dose topical fin made me feel sides, dut is gonna fuck my shit up, isn't the mechanism the same? I'm not building a retarded stack, I haven't even tried microneedling or the LLLT caps. I just use Ketonazole once a week.
>>77228411>I found it way later after looking up side effects and what people are experiencing.Don't trust online anecdotes. You'll give yourself nocebo.>I'm not really a severe case, just though that with fin my hair would look the way it did when I was 20. It's more of a vain thing.Hairloss progresses rapidly in many cases. I'd at least use a topical anti androgen like clascoterone.
>>77228425>topical dutasterideMost likely doesn't even penetrate the skin and the only studies on it come from India so probably 100% fake.
>>77228450I meant I looked it up months in after I felt the side effects myself. I basically tried it cause a friend of mine takes it and he said it brought back a lot of his hair, I wasn't on forums or anything. >clascoteronenever heard of that, is it like fin, I said I don't want to fuck with 5ar stuff.
>>77228461>never heard of that, is it like fin, I said I don't want to fuck with 5ar stuff.It's a topical anti-androgen which basically occupies the androgen receptors on your scalp. It's not as good as fin because DHT connects to two receptors on your hair follicle but it works by a different mechanism of action and is coming out in about a year.
>>77228466>and is coming out in about a yearInteresting, might try it out when it comes out. I looked it up and it's not a 5ar inhibitor.
I took oral fin for a while and it kinda worked but it fucked up my brain and libido so now I'm using a fin + min topical spray, we'll see how that goes.Ideally I'd like a solution that requires as little effort as possible but a spray once a day isn't bad.I keep hearing a breakthrough is just around the corner but it hasn't happened yet. Hopefully in my lifetime
>>77228486I still believe in 5ari supremacy but for people who absolutely can't tolerate it, clascoterone is likely the best alternative even though Americans will have to pay $$$$ for it.>>77228487I never had any issues with my libido on fin but sadly on reta. Still taking it though because a lower libido is better than being a fat fuck.>I keep hearing a breakthrough is just around the corner but it hasn't happened yet. Hopefully in my lifetimeWe have a pretty good understanding of male pattern baldness now and realistically the only two things you can do is either prevent DHT formation with 5ar inhibitors or partially blocking DHT's binding sites with topical anti androgens. You'll probably see HIV and aging cured before any medication changes how receptors at the hair follicle change how they react to DHT.
>>77228503Wasn't there some kind of potential breakthrough in early trials that permanently blocked the receptors? I wish I remembered what it was called.
>>77228487>now I'm using a fin + min topical sprayhow long have you been using this in what concentration?>worked but it fucked up my brain and libidoOP here, it gave me very bad insomnia and depression, I was also feeling like I'm slurring my words and had memory loss, almost like I'm drunk, I felt a bit weak as well. I decided to see if the sides would go away but it got worse the longer I was on it. I am also planning to have another kid and don't want to be on it cause I'm already old. >>77228503>clascoterone is likely the best alternative even though Americans will have to pay $$$$ for itWell I'm in Europe so that's at least good.
>>77228514You probably mean GT20029 which can degrade androgen receptors (they regenerate in a week) but with the latest research on how exactly DHT destroys the hair follice, everyone's hopes in that have been dampened.https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-026-70153-4Basically it only tackles one part of the equation and there is always a risk of going systemic which is obviously much worse than any potential 5ari side effect.
>>77228516I've only been on the spray for a few weeks, too early to see growth. I was told there'd be some shedding in the first month and I have noticed it but it's not too bad.Had similar depression, or more accurately anhedonia (lack of pleasure from doing things). I still have it sonewhat but I think it might be getting better.
>>77228522That's probably it. Shame.
>>77228530>I've only been on the spray for a few weeks, too early to see growthI was asking about negative side effect? >or more accurately anhedonia (lack of pleasure from doing things)Exactly, I've never had that, I'm a pretty happy guy, this was way too strange for me and it didn't go away with time, it got worse. >I still have it sonewhat but I think it might be getting betterFor me it went away 2 months after I stopped taking it. But it was so bad I just don't want to feel that way ever again. It really affected my work and everyday life.
>>77228536I've tried dutasteride before and had side effects but they went away after two weeks despite the long half life.
Here is a guy that's on TRT and other steroids who has been injecting GHK-CU, seems like his hair improved significantly.
>>77228545I meant sides from the fin+minox spray.
>>77228536Only side effect is my scalp being a little itchy, that's it.Topical doesn't have major side effects like oral because it's directly targeting the scalp instead of traveling through the body, that's why I switched.
>>77228554Interesting, well I tried topical for months and still had sides. Hope you can tolerate it in the long run and you can regrow some hair.
>>77228551Most likely a peptide seller. GHK-CU is worthless for hairloss.
>>77228561Yeah we'll see how it goes.My morning and night routines are already too long so I don't wanna add a bunch of other shit like LED treatments.
>>77228568Probably, but how did he improve his hair, you think he is also on fin? It definitely looks better. >>77228569I've been looking into Red Light but the real LLLT's are so fucking expensive. It's like $800 for the cheapest (real ones) 20 mins a day using it's not a hassle. I do wonder though would it help me since I'm not so far gone, maybe combining it with head massages or whatever.
>>77228576>Probably, but how did he improve his hair, you think he is also on fin? It definitely looks better.Fin/dut+min, AI, stealing old tressless pics, etc.
>>77228583You are probably right :(
How do I fix reduced semen volume on fin?My prostate must have shrunk because when I cum it barely comes out and has very little liquid compared to how it was before I was on fin I already microdose it with less than o.2mg per day
>>77228590Zinc
>>77228590Damn brother, I remember my semen becoming more watery for the first 2-3 weeks but then it came back. Thankfully I didn't get the ED sides but the other sides was so bad that it wasn't worth it for me. How long have you been on it? I was also trying 0,2mg even every other day and couldn't handle it.
>>77228594Don’t work>>77228605I’ve been on it for a year almost and have no other sidesI just miss my old massive cumloads
>>77228612>I’ve been on it for a year almost and have no other sidesGood for you, I guess you are lucky. Is it working at least?
>>77228612Do you take your vitamins? Do you exercise? Are you currently in a calorie deficit? Lecithin might work.
>>77228594Isn't going to make much of a dent.
>>77228277Did a 9 week cycle at 10mg a week and found it had only mild effects. Most people hyping it are getting some form of compensation.
>>77228590stop taking it moron go see a urologist get on clomid or hcg order it from the grey market if you have to
I switched oral fin to oral dut and feel a lot better and I'm not alone.
>>77229122You're supposed to take about 2mg daily.
>>77229198Oral dut makes me miserable when oral fin doesn't.
>>77229261Everyone is so different. That's why I don't like the overconfident generalizations you'll see whenever this topic is discussed.
>>77228420small anecdote but I had a small scar near my eye since I was 13y old when I ran into a door edge.Took ghkcu 2mg every 2nd day and it was noticeable, like 80% gone in a month.I did notice though that it felt like my skin started sagging and i stopped. a month later everything is back ok, but that scared me. was thinking of injecting once a week
>>77229385>skin started saggingPeculiar, I thought it should be good for skin >>77229122I see, thanks for the input.
>>77229403what it felt like to me was that it made my skin break down so it can be rebuilt better. Which I think is why most people argue for cycles with it. I want to try it again but was thinking of using some cjc/no dac to increase the recovery. just for info, i did make sure to eat enough protein, etc.
>>77229430That kind of makes sense, I had a friend who was dealing with skin problems and when he went through treatment his skin became worse before it got better, thankfully he stuck to it.
>>77229439i do have to say, I used tretinoin during covid, which helped massively since i didnt have to go out and used it every day for 5 months and it completely transformed my skin + adding zinc oxide every morning. I stupidly stopped using it, and ever since, my skin has been getting a bit worse every year. The ghkcu sofar doesnt come close to it. It just sucks because i basically have to expose my face to the sun everyday and i cant do a tret cycle.
>>77229454I had the opposite problem during covid, staying inside made my skin pale and kind of fucked up. When I went into the sun it cleared up. I've never used any creams or skin products in my life.
>>77228277Does fuck all, but since you're probably getting it with TB-500 and BPC-157, can't hurt. Also helps with scars and stretchmarks.Healed my perma-fucked shoulder in weeks.RU-58841 is pretty good though, you can get it cheap off amazon and mix with ethanol yourself.
>>77229478>TB-500 and BPC-157, can't hurt. Also helps with scars and stretchmarksThat is if you take it subcutaneous right? Is there any topicals like that, I do have stretch marks from when I was a kid, they are every pale now but still it doesn't look very good.
>>77229483Yeah, you need to take GHK-cu sub-q too. At least with microneedling. I found it easier to just buy vials of mixed, Glow-80 with those three and some other shit. Took it for a few weeks, shoulder is now perfectly fine after five years of not being able to bench properly.Wife says my skin is better, but super dry now, have to use moisturizer.
>>77229487I see, thanks.
