When did you realize that Starting Strength and Powershitting are absolute memes that make you look disgusting
>twatter screenshot thread
>>77230075When I first took a look at whats in it. I care about gaining muscle, not looking at big numbers. I also care about having a big upper body, not giant legs and ass. Even from a big numbers perspective, I think a big bench is more impressive than a big squat, so I don't really see why I'd ever pick a program that biases legs.
>>77230075>trying hard and doing extra work is badIt's actually pretty easy to do more sets and sessions if you're eating more. Muh leanpill is gay I'd have never gotten this strong if I listened to this shit. I'll fight anyone here drop discord you're full of shit and are probably a redditor. If you show up I'll fight you with 1 hand please stop it.
>>77230090>wants to fight>doesn't even have absSounds like easy money to me.
I always knew this because I find the look of big quads to be very repulsive. As does anyone with a sense of aesthetics and most women as well.
>>77230075starting strength isn't a meme, but it's a 6-month program designed for lanklets to build a strength base from which they can pivot to sport-specific training or even body building. your body composition, even as a young twink, shouldn't change much under SS
>>77230090Post body fatty
>>77230075does his book tell nattys to eat 5000 kcal/day or is that just something people decided to do on their own?
I actually think starting strength is good for anyone who didn't play sports in school and is starting off at absolute zero. Thats what it is designed for. You just need to do something else once you can bench your body weight or whatever
>>77230143what is this meme that you're only strong if "you played sports in school"?I lift at a college gym and the baseball, soccer, and basketball players are all dyel and weak as fuck. Football team has their own gym or something so I cant speak for them,
>>77230158you dont lift in the weightroom, you wouldnt understand
>>77230163post body.I will.
It's 100000% on you if you look like shit powerlifting and you're 1000% a genelet who wouldnt have made it doing brosplit or whateverPowerlifters and olympic lifter training methods overlap to a certain degree and a lot of people under the 95kg male category looks ripped/aesthetic in both sportsCurls and pushdowns and skull crushers and ab work are what mostly defines aesthetic and they are also great accessories. You have no one to blame but yourself for not picking one of the hundreds of powerlifting programs that are borderline "powerbuilding" and instead sticking to a beginner 3 months program meant to teach you how to deal with barbells for years
>>77230158Of course basketball and soccer players arent open bodybuilders retarded cherrypicker>>77230172>RoidtrannyImagine if your dad pushed you to pla... Nvm you're a fatherless AHHAHAHAHAH
>>77230172>no team wear>no weightroom >no timestamp>no face>no dick>no balls>doesnt understandeverytime
>>77230172>posts "body">has a shirt on
Lil' brown zoomerito finna crashout the melty ya feel me
>>77230178first of all I'm natty.And I never said they bodybuilders I said they were weak and dyel. You're the faggot saying they strong they are for playing sports in school.
>>77230221Archives exist, you're not fooling anyone lmao.> I said they were weak and dyel.Because they need to be that way in parallel with their sports. They wouldnt struggle if they start a strength building journey like untrained randos would. On the other hand anyone that did wrestling, judo, football, rugby... As a kid will blow your average gymcels prs in a couple months, granted they havent become a 300lbs lard>You're Delusional. There more than one person calling you a retard
>>77230104wrong on every single point, impressive
>>77230075>i did powerlifting>i look like a powerlifter nowthats crazy
>>77230158I didnt say you can only be strong that way. Just that beginners need a beginner program and most chads naturally get their beginner program from school while 4chan incels think they can skip it and it ultimately slows them down
>book is called starting strength>it details how to start strength training>mfw it ISN'T focused on aesthetics
>>77230172its funny because this guy takes like a gram of gear to look like your average TRT dad
>>77230089Even without being a powerlifter I can say that your are a fool. If you skip leg day you will only be a useless joke with chicken legs.Be the man who can pick her up. if you're a faggot you still don't have an excuse. men weigh more than women.
>>77230090>I'll fight you with 1 hand please stop itThe second you devolve into an attempt to fight a general and anonymous audience, you lost all credit in that thread. Fucking incel jeet bullshit.
>>77230104>sport-specific trainingstart here
>>77230282Who said anything about skipping leg day? SS is leg dominant, which is to say you train your legs HARDER than your upper body. Any heterosexual male picks an upper body dominant program.
Big legs honestly look so bad and goofy.
>>77230282>not squatting heavy first thing in the gym, every single day you go to the gym, is now "skipping leg day"SStards never beating the allegations
>>77230172looking strong>>77230184>>77230185>>77230281>>77230178a guy actually posts pics and looks like he outlifts 99.999% of /fit/ and you small faggots still complain. im starting to guess all of you are indians who just get mad at anyone he isn't a minority. for shits/giggles what do each of you bench/squat/deadlift? and yes those matter to natural bodybuilders. tell me I know how all of you are small.
>complaining about all the prime bottom materiallow T beta detected, anyone in this thread complaining just can't get their dick wet desu
>>77230325Shameless samefagging
>>77230328turns out more than one person thinks you're DYEL
>>77230075>This one photo shuts down Anti-SS threads every time.Also, why do people shit on random programs? Just lift broski.
>>77230325The board is like 60% indian teenagers now, it's not the same place it used to be.
>>77230334found one right here >>77230325
>>77230333>huge core>sloping traps>mini chest>404 upper arms not found>manletyup, that's an SSer alright, shut the thread down
>>77230328nope not the same guy. I just know what works for natural bodybuilders. my arms were stuck for more than a year at 17 inches doing the pump and fluff bullshit. I started squatting and the jumped to 18.5. also as a result of squatting my deadlift jumped too. if you are a natural bodybuilder SS->Texas Method/Madcow will server you better than anything else.You:>go to gym for 1.5 hours>feel pump>stir goyslop whey shake>feel like progress was madeand 2 hours later, you don't even look like you've ever lifted weights in your entire life. you look small because you lift small.
/fit/ is still arguing about starting strength like 15 years later lmfao.
I don't understand why people shit on Starting Strength so much. You get on it and in 6 months or so you achieve some good baseline strength to do whatever you want to do. Body fat % can be reduced to looking good levels in a month or two, and you can tailor your program to be upper body dominant afterwards. It is not like you are married to it.
>>77230325what a clown
>>77230352I don't think it's the actual program, what you said is true. It has to do with the culture surrounding it and the cult-like mentality. Getting lean and in shape, doing cardio, or god forbid anything other than doing low-bar squats and drinking gallons of milk was shit on for over a decade. > It is not like you are married to itThis is 100% true with the program, but the people on reddit and /fit/ became obsessed with it and it became weird. Overall it's fine, do it for 6 months and move on.
>>77230368I'm not the guy who posted the pic in this thread above. clearly, the guy who did reposted that pic. it doesn't change the fact the squats > deads > bench are critical to getting big as a natural. the best programs for young indians like yourself is SS-> Texas Method
>>77230393i have no issues with SS/SL. I do SL Ultra myself. natty bodybuilders end up looking strangely deformed, since they just spam isolations with no eye for proportion. it's just funny the guy posted body with no pecs, abs, or delts visible while claiming 100% natty when he's clearly fraudingt. 1/2/3.25/3.5
>>77230344nta but your arms did not jump 1.5" because you squatted bro lmao. if that were the case we wouldn't have invented the term "t-rex mode" to describe SSers and their progress pics
>>77230352You can make solid progress in 6 months on virtually any program as long as it has built in progressive overload and you consistently follow it. I've yet to hear a coherent argument for why you should start with a leg-focused powerlifting program over a beginners bodybuilding program that actually focuses on your goals.
>>77230344>arms grew 1.5 inches from squatting PFFFFTTTTTT yeah ok lmfaoooo
>>77230075I'm averaging up. 3/5 days of my routine are squats and arms.
Any solid beginner programs for escaping skinnyfat mode? I have access to a pretty well equipped gym if it matters.
>>77230075Imagine taking lifting advice from some manlet that’s built like this. Fuck Mark Rippletits
>>77230506Wtf happened to his hands?
>>77230449>>77230497yes they did. granted I wasn't only squatting. but as a natural lifter (I wouldn't call myself a bodybuilder because I've never competed) putting an emphasis on squatting and not the pump and fluff added even more size to my frame. obviously, my thighs and glutes got larger, but so did my arms, neck, and like I said pulling became a lot easier. suddenly weights that were hard to pull started shooting right up. so yes maybe pulling heavier on deads caused my arms to grow too, but the increase in that was initiated by squatting heavy and making it the cornerstone of my training.
>>77230368>I looked 12 when i went to collegeKek why does everyone on this board think they look half their age Jesus Christ i've never seen this on any other website or forum
>>77230081Look mom (not dad) I posted it again !
>>77230282quads are already oversized for 99% of trained individuals. as of today, i never train em. i isolate glutes (all three of them), gastrocnemius and the hamstrings. the other uber-ugly muscles when too big are the upper traps.
>>77230128how many calories do you think a gallon of milk is
>>77230582>yes they did.no, they didn't. your programming changed and it happened to include squatting. squatting improving your deadlift makes sense, but pulling heavier on deads didn't take your arms from 17" to 18.5" either. your arms and neck did not get bigger by receiving 0 stimulus while your legs got worked. that's literally beyond broscience kek, there's not even a tenable mechanism for what you're describing. most likely, your exercise volume/selection/ordering or diet/recovery changed. sorry bro, glad you got the arms you wanted but don't go telling people you understand natural bodybuilding if you think they should squat for bigger arms
>>77230667gallon of skim milk is 1500 kcal. You can drink that in a day as long as you watch your total calories.
>joe weider was a perverted homo who ran bodybuilding as a fetish and facilitated gay4pay from his bodybuilders>rip is a confirmed sexual deviant and cuck fetish writer and his program prioritises squatting and getting fat and bloatedDifferent flavours of homofaggotry infesting fitness
>>77230505Try something like this:Workout 1:Bench PressRowSquatWorkout 2:Overhead PressChin UpDeadliftAlternate between the two with at least 1 day of rest between them. Work out at least 3 days a week. 3 sets of each exercise before moving onto the next, 8-12 reps upper body exercises and 4-8 reps lower body exercises. Stop at the upper bound on the first 2 sets and do as many as possible on the last one. When you can do at least the upper bound in all 3 sets in a given exercise, increase the weight by 5lbs (or 10lbs of legs the first little while) the next time you do the exercise. For the first while you will be increasing the weight every time you do it. When first starting, start with just the bar and increase the weight by 10lbs every set until you are unable to complete the upper bound in a set. The weight you were at before then is your starting working weight wherein you only increase by 5 or 10lbs each day you do thst workout.
>>77230505Football strength and conditioning; THE Premier™ beginner program.
>>77230746Thanks for the suggestion. Any specific reason for 3 sets of 8-12 reps? I heard a lot of people recommend 5x5, or does it make no difference since the final number of push/pulls/lifts ends up almost the same? Also how much wait time between reps?
>>77230773Fewer reps at a higher weight is for strength. A midline rep count at a midline weight is for getting bigger. Lots of reps (like 20 or even 30) at a low weight is for endurance. The volume you're getting on 3x8-12 is lower in an individual workout accounting for the lower weight, but ideally you are doing each workout 2 or 3 times a week rather than 1.5 times like SS, so weekly volume will be a lot higher and that matters more than volume in an individual workout.Wait time depends on how much time you are willing to spend in the gym. 3 minutes is the typical standard. If you want to spend less time you can go again as soon as you catch your breath, but the general wisdom is that the longer your rest the more your recovery and thus the better your performance.
>>77230784Thanks again for the explanation.As for time, my only real limit is the closing time since I only have time to go at around 5:30-6:00pm and it closes at 8:00, but so far I have been doing 5x5 with 2-3mins and time has not been an issue at all.One last question, I was doing a session of light cardio at the end of the session, just enough to raise heartrate and get the blood pumping, no high intensity. Any issues with that?
>>77230813No issues you should keep doing it
>>77230862Alright I'll give it a try and see how it goes, sore town here I come!
No one who actually did starting strength is unhappy with their results. Everyone who stuck it out ends up happy. The fake pictures you see of some guy just getting fat are entirely fake or someone who didn't actually lift and do the program. Pretty much every criticism you see of it is bs by nonlifters
>>77230178>>77230185>>77230281>>77230184>someone actually posts body>durrr I'm gonna act like a retard in response!This is what happens every time>>77230193This isn't even a little bit funny at this point
>>77230423You have enormous tits
i saw another zesty powershitter in my gym today, looked like a pear with a jiggly fat ass and widehips and completely undeveloped body.Obscene. No man should look like that
>>77230423>>77231176My man going for morrowind build
>>77230368He looks 40
>>77230075i realized it from day one that starting strength + gallon of milk a day was a troll designed to turn you into picrel. the non-meme answer is to read Overcoming Gravity by Steven Low>>77230282>skip leg dayevery day is leg day, idiot. the whole point is to do exercises that work out your entire body through natural movement, not try and find a perfect ratio of isolation exercises. when you train bodyweight, using any external weights (fractional weights of like 0.5 lbs ea) is an advanced technique because gravity makes it possible to exponentially increase difficulty without any weights at all. also, if you want a juicy ass, do handstands not squats. you need to clench your ass to balance correctly>>77230368my estimated "fitness age" is 7 years my junior
>>77230172fat roidmonkey who cant wipe his own ass LOL
>>77231176post your tits
>>77230075There's nothing wrong with a huge ass and birthing hips if you'd stop being so insecure
SS is really stupid It emphasizes lower body compounds which are shit for aesthetics, it's barbell because barbells hardcore and it is recommended complete noobs who don't have 0 athleticism doing compounds without a coach it's bad for aesthetics, dangerous for noobs and boring as shit
>>77230075>you told them to squat HOW many times a week?
People who weren't on /fit/ 15 years ago don't realise just how hard SS was shilled on the internet. There was an entire generation who was tricked into training like powerlifters when they just wanted to be aesthetic.
>>77231772You dont need to go that far, in 2018 even /pol/ started pushing for it because it sounds like the SS corps obviously. Any time anyone would mention fitness even loosely they would get at least replies telling them to do SS+GOMAD and most of them were dead serious about it.
>>77230075You don't do SS to look a certain way. The reason it was shilled is because it's a good base builder for both strength and overall size and teaches you the main lifts. Anyone who ended up looking like shit either stuck to it for too long or never did any accessories. I think there are better and more balanced beginner programs, but it's just retarded to say "hurr I did this program for x months and now I look like shit" as if that one program should have already built you an aesthetic physique after you finish it once. It doesn't matter what program you start with, when you finish it you're still years away from a good physique.
>>77230172der roidtranny
>>77230172Lol seething dyels think ur on roids because they dont look good. None of them post body. Classic.
>>77230172Btw do you do heavy dumbell work instead of cables or do you focus on forearms? I havnt had forearms that vascular since i did 70 hours weeks doing landscape installation and have not since.
>>77230075Bodyweights, cardio and flexibility are far more important to fitness than lifting metal circles.
>>77232076Metal circles are irrelevant to fitness, the exercises you do with them are central.
>>77231802>heavy dumbell work instead of cableslmao. Barbells. And for forearms I do wrist curls with an EZ curl bar
>>77230506not sure if you have done any sports in general but most coaches look like absolute shit
>>77230075>men>wide birthing hips
>>77230423>I have no issues with SSYeah, you don't have issues with SS because you don't fucking do SS, retard.
>>77232197Most coaches at some point in their life did not look like shit though. Rippletits cannot say the same.>inb4 some retard posts the Roger Estep pic thinking it's RippletitsGood coaches have actual successful athletes to show off as well. Rippletits does not. He talks like he's a world class coach and has produced exactly zero world class athletes.
>>77230075What part of “starting” didn’t you understand? Everyone is different, the book even lays that out for you. Get the big 5 down pat, learn that if you eat more food of a certain type you’ll get stronger, and then expand out from there with accessories and diet tweaks. You’re all a bunch of autists who take things at face value instead of trying to understand the philosophy behind it or your a bunch of lazy retards that want a one-size-fits all program that you can blindly follow like the lemmings that you are.
>>77230299yes, start doing meme exercises when you can't squat 135
>>77232228>squats aren't a sport movement
SS is for crippling nerds or teaching them about intensity and coordination, it's not a bodybuilding program it's a filter for developing the correct mindset when it's time to move big boy weights in big boy lifts. If you can get a noob to actually run his squat semi-safely to true failure then anything that comes after seems trivial. You can argue the minutia of lift choices and efficiencies but none of it matters if the person can't step on the throttle when it's appropriate to do so.
You can do legs like twice a month and they'll still look well proportioned. 3x a week is hysterical.
>>77230693again, yes they did. im sorry your 8 hour arm workouts from muscle/fitness.com are keeping you small, but heavy squats and deads increased the my arms from 17 -> 18.5 inches. is 17 inches big for a lean adult male? yes. so I know what I tried and I know what I added to get them there. >tenable mechanismyou sound small and indian.nonetheless, ask any guy to squat heavy. what happens the next morning right when they wake up? yep, exactly.
>>77232363>wake up>roll over in bed>hey baby, i squatted so heavy on your dick last night
>yeah bro just build up 2 that 8pl8 squat>ain't nothing bad gon happen>ACK
>>77232385>40+We always told you not to lift but muh i have to prove something men peak at 85 or whatever !
>>77232385How does a barbell hit your spine?>living with mommy in your 40sISHYGDDT
>>77230143It's the exact opposite LMAOSS and its predecessors were built in the world of Texas high school football. They are built around taking genetic mutant 15 year olds, who have always been the biggest most athletic guys on the playground, and turning them into absolute freak tanks for the o-lineIt's almost an okay program for absolute beginner unathletic couch potato people, but they would be better off with technically easier to perform lifts. Goblet squats and dumbbell bench for instance. And include some aesthetics work in there tooI ran SS and did fine on it, but now that I'm decently strong I can look back and say the barbell fetish is ODD. Barbells are awesome, convenient training tools when you're actually strong. Not when you're starting out
>>77230075>no refunds lolSeriously, though, SS is an innocuous program for beginners. Better ones exist, but it’s fine. If you don’t want a big ass, don’t do squats his way. On the whole, I do not feel sorry for anyone who followed his diet recommendations, those are absolutely ludicrous and will make you a fat fuck.
>>77230104Absolute truth. Run SS until the novice linear progression is done, then start blasting gear. I still deadlift, squat 2-3 times per week, flat barbell bench is all I do for chest and I do my overhead pressing standing. I now do a lot more chinups, pullups, direct arm work and some shoulder flyes and and strangers literally call me a bodybuilder. Foids think I compete. SS is an outstanding fucking program to build strnegth and overall development. But if you want to look like an actual bodybuilder, you will probably need to blast gear OR be genetically gifted. If youre of normal height and weren't a star athlete in High School who had options to play at the Div 1 or Div 2 level, you probably do not have good genetics. So just get on gear.
>>77232428back to your containment thread tranny
>>77232398According to the poster, a smith machine malfunction during OHP
>>77232442That things like the guillotine of the gym the worst most brutal injury or deaths happen on it
>>77232442He was doing the press and a smith fell on him?
>>77232385how'd he type this if his arms don't work
>>77230075>Hunan pears>Huge legs>wide birthing hips So Sharting Strength is for women.
