Why do so many people lie to those new in the fitness community about what they should expect if they stay completely natural with lifting? People literally tell others to "bulk" and get fat and strong, and while they get strong, they look like SHIT. The guys that take drugs can eat Burger King every day and still look better than the natty that meal preps skinless chicken breasts and broccoli every week. It just leads to this retarded mindset where some people assume that if you lose your "natty card" you may as well go all out on blasting as much as you can and that using "baby doses" of steroids is dumb because "you're shut down anyway you may as well blast". That or people will say "that's it" to someone that does admit to gear use, which just causes people to use more drugs so their body doesnt look natty. It's like I see so many guys obviously on gear at my gym and I'm sure they tell everyone they're natural. Pretty much every athlete I know that has competed at a high level says EVERYONE is on some PED.
sorry but i didn't read any of that i just want to fill a ukrainian girl's asshole with my sperm
Gatekeeping. The less people that actually look good, the easier it is for the people that actually look good. That's why we tell people to become fat powerlifters when they start out. That's why we call things with lots of cardio "gay" even though it will make you more aesthetic than just bodybuilding. It's why we say people that take GLPs are still "spiritually fat" because they didn't take the hard way while knowing that that's just a way to secretly keep them fat.The only people that will usually give you legit advice you have to pay for.
alright what do i hop on?
>>77235926>Low dose test, like 200-250>smol dose of a DHT derivative>Reta>BPC157>Any secretagogue that increases GH or IGF1Then tailor whatever you're trying to do to a particular PED.
>>77235929ill trust you with my life
>>77235886Have you ever considered the opposite, that perhaps all people on gear like athletes claim everyone else is a user because they cannot accept that someone could achieve what they have without resorting to their methods? It's extremely common for cheaters to claim everyone else is cheating to save face.It is also worth pointing out that using athletes as an example is a terrible idea because their field has been poisoned decades ago when America, Russia and China started not only pushing for being the cou tries with the most medals but also the ones with the most powerful athletes so they could fuel their propaganda. The Olympics have not been a contest of pure, natty physicality for a long while now, they're just a testing ground for test tube babies and drugged freaks, so no shit athletes will claim everyone is on something, because in their field that is absolutely true.I would say gear does not need to be normalized, but rather expectations of what is achievable without it and how long it takes should be changed to match reality and in particular grifters claiming to be natty while on gear to trick normies into buying their programs need to be exposed.
>>77235886they do it to stay ahead of the curve and reduce competition, if they wouldnt lie, everyone would hop on steroids that instance and the playing field would level out, also in many countries having and buying steroids is illegal, so they cant just say everywhere that they are on roids
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>>77235886>still look better than people eating chicken breast and broccoli>natty card>worrying about othersLet me tell you something friend. Fitness is a lifestyle. You're fit because you like to be active. You're active because it's healthy and enjoyable. You tell people you're active and have fun, and look better than the entire non-lifting population. Your balls are huge and juicy from getting activity and being in the sun. You can keep up with your kids into your 30s, 40s, 50s, and grandkids into your 60s without issue. Your bone density is higher, your quality of life is significantly higher, you have aches and pains at times but nothing like what other couch potatoes have. You live a life to the fullest, and can keep up with fucking your wife (which, on your second marriage due to death or divorce is 14 years younger than you) on a regular basis, which is important to you.Nothing about PEDs should ever cross your mind. We are not fit for aesthetic, we are fit because we enjoy the lifestyle. Go ahead and eat a burger, it won't kill you. Eat whatever the fuck you want, really, because you know you'll gravitate towards that Mediterranean diet 99% of the time regardless. You can squat what your kids are squatting in high school and more. If your kids outperform you, it fills you with pride, because you've been active your whole damn life. You ran a 5k with your daughter for breast cancer and was able to keep up. You hiked up Mt Bona with your grandson because he asked you to go. You still enjoy squatting and benching despite the torn meniscus from 15 years ago because you stayed active and healthy, and didn't overdo it. This short term gain PED mindset is doomed to fail. Okay, you look a bit bigger than me, why would I give a shit? You deadlift 635? Okay cool. You have a great body? I'm happy for you. Ultimately it has nothing to do with my healthy living lifestyle of continuous activity and fun.
not reading any of thatpost ending in 2 decides what I read instead
>>77235886>Pretty much every athlete I know that has competed at a high level says EVERYONE is on some PED.So, none. Cool. Hey so if you wanna be a tranny, you should commit suicide, and you definitely should get the fuck off the board with this tranny encouragement.
>>77235886>>77235918>>77235996Iryna Dombrovska
>>77236047>>77236022
>>77236022White pilled as fuck, heed this anons advice young retards
>>77236022Based. I stay fit so I can eventually go on a murderous rampage long after my enemies forgot how they wronged me, when they will be unprepared and weak.
>>77236047War and Peace in one sitting
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>>77235886>everyone should takes drugsOP you could have just said this
>>77235886Video proving that you can't build an ass in the gym
>>77236180Post proving you never been to a gym
>>77236180She has a nice ass though retard
>>77236218Did she leave it in a different video?
>>77236223post pic of what you think a nice ass isthen post pic of your arm
>>77236047you gotta read >>77236132 now
>>77235925>weYou've never done this in your life. You're just projecting your feminine psychology onto other men. Men don't do this. I tell people to get strong because I think it's good advice.
>>77236132Nice.
>>77235886The main issue with natty lifting is how long it takes to see real results. Even after 2 years of doing everything right you still won't be super strong or super jacked. You really have to stick to it for 5 years at least to get anywhere serious, and most people these days aren't biochemically or cognitively healthy enough and have fried dopamine receptors meaning they can't make that kind of long term commitment. It's a lifelong thing, you don't start at 18 and be maxed out by 21, year after year you're adding up increasingly small improvements. Look at the OG niggas from back before steroids even existed, they're casually mogging these roided out faggots on tiktok>>77235962>It's extremely common for cheaters to claim everyone else is cheating to save faceThis is an excellent point too. All these athletes have massive inflated egos too, they could never admit that someone just did better than them without needing to cheat.
>>77236293Lots of guys do do that though, and it's something a lot of people do on here because they don't like the idea of a guy getting good advice, actually looking good, and taking a woman from them.
>>77235962Not even olympics. In professional sports as well. You think LeBron isn't taking GH? You don't think professional football players aren't taking stuff? They all seem to shrink considerably after they stop playing.Most men on social media that "look like they lift" that are white used something, even if it was SARMs and they were good responders they still used something.
>>77235886Roiders will continue to lie no matter what, for the ego boost.
>>77236546True. But then you hear people saying that it only takes a few months of lifting to look like that because perception is warped by social media. Some people start, don't look like that, and quit or turn to the dark side.>>77236639Truth. That's why I respect those that say they do it.
i want to tonguer her anus
>>77235886how is her squat form so smooth. I feel like im so shakey and really rarely feel as stable as she looks.t. long legs long femur wide stance fag who cant go parallel while maintaining upright posture if feet r too close
>>77236661id honestly just ignore all the shit you see on social media and try not to take things online too seriously. it's full of absolute serial liars, you'll get some idiot who blasted gear for 5 years and trained like crazy the whole time, but then he'll claim it's only been 1 year and he's been natural the whole time - because it all seems more impressive then, and everyone is super insecure
>>77235929just hop on a cocktail of mystery drugs bro
>>77235918>assholehomo
>>77235886We as a society need to euthanize PED users and salesman
>>77235978For men yes. It's funny because in Brazil most women get BBLs and plastic surgery and hot women are still desired. Same as in Miami or LA. Men need to be better than other men to make women attracted to them but women can all be hot and men won't hate them for it.
>>77236546The issue is you pretty much have to dedicate your life to lifting and fitness to look great as a natural. All those OG dudes before roids made fitness their everything.
>>77236698The problem is there's no balance. I keep seeing people say Clav "looks natural" but it's like he has a better physique than 95% of people his age. Most 20 year olds are either fat or skinny, and the ones that do lift still look bad.There are so many people that go to the gym 4-5 times a week but still don't "look like they lift" because they don't have good genetics.>>77236837They shouldn't be a "mystery" by the time you buy them you should do research on them
>>77236876>he has a better physique than 95% of people his ageHe has 13 inch arms and he struggles to bench 1pl8. I believe his 1 rep max was like 155 or some shitthe physique pics he posted are all edited to fuck, they don't even resemble how he looks in candid shots. And he literally wears shoulder pads under his shirts to look bigger
>>77237005All larps aside (I know everyone on the internet benches 405 etc etc etc blah blah blah) 135 for 3 is actually pretty strong to say he's not some 300 pound bloatlord, it's more than most guys in the gym can lift at least. remember most of these influencers are blatantly using fake plates too
>>77236896She looks eastern european and those women are pretty racist so it's unlikely she has ever even been near a BBC before.
>NORMALIZE THIS NORMALIZE THATNobody has to validate you, you fucking whiny little faggot. Do whatever you want, but we're not going to change our opinions just because your feelings got hurt. If you're so reliant on external validation to justify what you're doing, maybe rethink your actions. This is no different from how trannies mutilate their genitals and expect others to applaud
>>77237021>/fit/ and 4chan in general when Trump, Clav, Fuentes, or whatever internet father figure shows he's weak or retarded>"Actually what' he's doing is very impressive">/fit/ any other day of the week>"305 is the new 225"
>>77235918Unironically why do you want to put your dick in an asshole? I can't think of anything more homosexual
>>77237378Right? Like why not just slide your dick between her buttcheeks or something. Why stick it in the actual hole?
>>77235886>OH MY GOSH, WE NEED TO NORMALIZE THIS, LIKE, RIGHT NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!roids turned you into a fucking woman lmfaooooo
>>77235886What actually sucks is that dudes who figure it out and put in the work get grouped in with the roidtranniesI broke an FFMI of 25 around 8% bf natty and everyone claims I'm lying PEDs destroyed the community and work ethic
>>77235886>The guys that take drugs can eat Burger King every day and still look better than the natty thatThat's a matter of CICO and not drugs, but you do need to eat a few hundred calories more on roids. You can easily get fat on roids. In fact many newbs do.>using "baby doses" of steroids is dumb its retarded because steriods are for getting huge, not to become a slightly bigger natty.
>>77236689She is known for technical proficiency, not competition winning weight.
>>77236844>>77237378Nothing is more straight than hurting and debasing women.
>>77235925Its because most people have no business roiding.Just look in the /fraud/ thread at all the stupid shit people do. Nobody will just do the basic beginner blast of 500mg test for 16-20 weeks because everyone has to do the latest retarded gimmick some tiktok faggot pulled out his ass for monetized views.
>>77235929>old man dose of TRT + appetite suppressant.see what mean? retarded nonsense unless you're cutting but nattys dont need roids to cut.>Then tailor whatever you're trying to do to a particular PED.what does this even mean? You take steroids to get big. All steroids are taliored to that.You start adding in different roids based on what you tolerate as far as side-effects
>>77236293Post body
>>77236698I love telling dyels that I'm natty. I even just say I only do a few push ups and sit ups each morning.You can see their souls depart from their atrophied bodies lmao
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>>77237378Because its humilating for the woman
>>77237378>sex with women is gayI suppose getting your dick sucked by a woman is gay too because faggots like getting their dicks sucked.I guess when you get no pussy you come up with all sorts of bullshit to cope.
>>77235918Just call your mother
>>77237021no it's fucking not lmao, is this b8go to any high school football team in america and you'll see 100 pound freshmen benching more than that
>>77237442Look at how hard you had to strive to do it though. You likely had to dedicate everything for YEARS to get that, when most people can get there in a year or two with roids.
>>77237657>go to any high school football team in america and you'll see 100 pound freshmen benching more than thatBecause they all are on steroids.
>>77238282>they're all on steroidsYou know what's wild is how true this is. I was one of the few natty athletes but of course most people were taking some type of PED or steroid. People give Clav shit for roiding at 14 but a lot of guys that do sports start roiding when they want to make varsity.
>>77236626This, the downsizing these "natural athletes" go through is insane, you would think that they would continue taking care of themselves and with the excuse of being genetical freaks you would think they would look great in their 40-60s, but 90% of them don't.
>>77235886gym female ass is horribly disgusting and hard. You want a girl with a giant ass who never worked out in her life. That shit is the real deal.
>>77238759nah, because usually those women have smelly pussies, you want a cardio bunny with a toned ass.>>77238721Gronk was the biggest surprise for me dude shrank a bunch once he stopped playing
>>77237021135 for 3... Strong... Argh. I could train anyone to that weight in 2 months.
