>does 4 hour schizo rant with a 2006 webcam and mic>half of it is how much he hates Mr Mike and Brad Schoenfeld and wishes they would die in a car crash>has actually quite normal and reasonable training advice>disappears for a few months>comes back a few months later>"I fucking hate you Mike Israetel you sociopath scammer retard I WAS ALWAYS RIGHT SINCE 2002">Was actually right
>>77238072>with a 2006 webcam and micIf i somehow make it into shitness this will be the only equipment i use
Being right is a powerful strat
>>77238072He's incredibly basedHim and solomon are a great pair, solomon licks his nuts and gets lyle to open upWe are blessed to have not only a fine lolcow in mike israel, but lolcow exploiters like these two
>>77238072He great to read because he's probably edited out 90% of what he wrote but I really have to be super bored to listen to him repeat the same information every time with slightly diffent nuance attached to it depending on the context of the conversation.
>>77238264Literally how can one man be so based
>>77238264I used to have respect for this man because of his reasonable and obvious training advice. I had no idea he is such a vile racist and bigot. I have the utmost admiration now.
>>77238072Used his RFL method to lose weight. 16kg down in two months with almost no muscle loss according to dexa, bless this autistic boomer.
>>77238348That's basically eating less than about 1000 calories and with most of that being protein, right? Sounds miserable but looks like it works, I just worry that when you stop and start eating at maintenance again you'll gain a lot of water weight from carbs, and people tend to overeat after a very restrictive diet. But if you manage to control cravings and can function on such low calories it seems the best approach for those who lift.
>>77238373I was at about 1200kcal and 140g of protein. Had couple days where I was eating at maintenance trying to bring in more carbs for glycogen and to avoid metabolic issues. Since the base is lean meat, steamed veggies and fish it's not that hard to eat normally after compared to other diets.
>>77238348Same here. Two meals of oven baked chicken breast with steamed veggies and two scoops of whey powder a day giving 200g of protein/1000 calories. 90kg to 75kg since first week of March and I've even cheated several times and stalled this past week because of a trip that was already booked. Can't wait to get back and go all in until the end of June to see how lean I can get.
I dont know or care about Lyle in 2026 but making fun of Mr Mike Israel is the only decent thing in fitness these days, gives me Blaha vibes.
>>77238348>>77238399>>77238557Have any other anons done this method? Chicken breast is cheap here so I could attempt this but I dunno if this would kill my strength/size gains
>>77238072He talks about having dipolar disorder on his website.
>>77238725All the protein seems to mitigate that, I don't seem to have lost any lean mass or strength. I'm about to go under 20% bf though and the hunger is getting worse so I'm interested to see what happens in the next few weeks.
>>77238072>Was actually rightas one usually is
>>77238725It works but there are some pitfalls to watch out for. You will plateau on your gains and that's okay. You will look smaller at first because you'll be holding less water but that will come right back when you reintroduce carbs. It also gets very mentally tough at a certain point. If I went too long without a maintenance day I would basically sleepwalk to McDonald's.
>>77238725You will probably make zero gains unless you just started training.Mental focus goes out the window. God help you if you have a job that requires thinking or creativity. Food is all you can think about when you get deep enough, the urge to binge is unreal. Sleep usually goes to shit.I would recommend doing omad with this, save up all your calories for dinner so you don't go to sleep hungry. Constantly teasing your body with 400 kcal meals is hell.
>>77238725Yeah I've done it. It's not hard if you're half decent at making soup or doing something omad or 2mad with it to make those few calories actually satisfy at least once a day. But it does get more difficult the longer you're on it or the leaner you want to get.I usually use it to get in the ballpark of 13% then slow cut the rest of way down because it fucks my metabolism and hormones beyond there
>>77238264>guy posts near-unreadable wall of text just to frame a simple question>other guy responds multiple times with incoherent babbleWhy are schizos like this?
>>77238264
>>77238072Being this obsessed and seething this much about another man is pretty gay, to be honest. Pretty frail egos overall
>>77238072Alright. Can I get s summary of his>gimmick>training advice>diet advice
>>77239442He's covered too many things for your question to make sense. He's known for his rapid fat loss diet and his pushback against high volume training.
>>77238264This is why Solomon and Lyle are such a powerful tag team. Solomon is judicial and autistic and Lyle is right about everything AND dangerously based due to his 99th percentile level of disagreeability.
>>77239342I've been trying to eat like a normal person with a small deficit on weekdays so I can be productive at work and going into a deep deficit on the weekends. It's not rapid fat loss, but it's faster than 500 kcal deficits day in day out and it lets me function normally when I need to.
>>77238072>>Was actually rightthe only thing that matters
>>77238763I am probably above 20%, good to know.>>77239313>>77239342I have been aiming for 1kg per week, I was 104kg and I am at 95 (5'10) now, gained strength while dieting but I feel I have stalled in strength gains recently. >>77239579Maybe I will try this, I need to be in my game for my job because I work with strict timeframes, I'll try with dropping the carbs during the weekends if I feel RFL is too much. >>77239368I have done 2mad since I was in highschool without trying so this is no problem for me.
>>77240302>I have been aiming for 1kg per weekIt's all about having a goal in mind. You can't do everything all at once (except if you're a beginner).
>>77240308I mean it's pretty clear I want to cut down and I wonder if RFL would do it quicker, losing 1% per week has been a slug.
>>77238725Hi, Kinesiologist here, no where near the order of magnitude of Lyle, but I wanted to back up his work and add 1)bulking & cutting is a meme, its literal placebo bullshit, you can pretty much always effectively gain so long as you have sufficient protein. So long as you're within a certain range of BF%, bulking/cutting is purely cosmetic/mental. 2) the protein loss associated with fasting & pronounced caloric deficit is temporary & all our current data shows the body takes it from souces closest to digestive tracts. We also have lots of studies that show folks during prolonged fasts don't lose ground on maximal strength, which supports the notion that deaminated proteins are coming from something other than muscle.
>>77240338>Eating more food to build more muscle is placebo Your appeal to authority is destroyed within one sentence. Nice.
>>77240344That's not what I said is it?
>>77240344>Eating more food to build more muscle is placeboExcept that's not what bulking is. You don't need to put on whole pounds of fat in order to grow. It's 100% bullshit. So long as your within a certain BF% it changes fucking nothing to go up or down a 5-10 percent of you're still in a range that supports proper endrocrine function.
>>77240354>>77240344And on top of that, if you're already in a healthy BF range, every increase in weight is putting you closer to lower T and increased aromatase activity.
>>77240347>>77240354>If you take a skeleton DYEL with 0 muscles that need 0 gram of protein for maintenance (ommiting other bodily functions) he can grow muscle linearly forever without ever eating more protein or needing more energyOh ok gotcha
>>77240361>fat fuck detectedOh, you're a faggot being intentionally retarded, gotcha. Well, for people who give a shit.>https://www.health.harvard.edu/mens-health/obesity-unhealthy-and-unmanly5-10 pounds is all it takes to start your chunky feminization.
>>77240366Jfc. If true thats terrifying. A 1 point BMI increase linked to a 2% decrease in T?! Thats like instantly being thrust into your 30s.
>>77240366The logic applies the other way around for cutting. Glad you dont object to the fact you assume humans can manifest muscle out of thin air.The irony of calling anyone obese when you associate any surplus of food with morbid obesity
>>77240372Testosterone levels if you're in the normal range dont really matter so you're good, especially considering the "association" part
>>77240338>>77240354This sounds a lot like what bodybuilders have been taking advantage of for ages, rebounding off of a competition to gain as much muscle as possible while super lean.I imagine the body wants very badly to be in that "healthy range" of body fat, and it will happily add or remove muscle in the process of getting there.
>>77238264>All us brownies are alike
>>77240393Muscle is difficult to build and difficult to break down. The body will do both as a last resort.
>>77240338A lot of "lean mass" estimates in studies and body scans during diet interventions ignore non fatty non protein content loss.Even adipose tissue has water and every 5lbs of fat has around 1lb of water, and thus lean mass.Intramuscular fat loss also can impact limb measurements and even lean body mass calculations.>>77240361>dur so u b sayin' datNo, that's not what is being said at all.A "skeleton DYEL" would never have literally 0 adipose to source energy from and literally 0 muscles or eat 0 protein, you're missing the point with that hypothetical.>he can grow muscle linearly foreverNo one can, muscle can't grow linearly forever but you obviously don't understand why that is the case, it isn't determined by diet, muscle can't grow forever linearly or otherwise regardless of your diet.A muscle's overall size potential is fibre specific and determined by how oxidative or glycolytic each of its fibres are, how many of them and how untrained/trained they are.What triggers growth is exercise, and only a tiny fraction of the protein you eat is used for muscle protein synthesis with the rest being used by all the other organs in your body which are made of proteins and ofc the rest that is simply lost because nutrient assimilation is never 100% efficient.Since you have adipose you're never deprived of energy, only if you get incredibly lean does your ability to source energy from adipose actually start to diminish to the point of limiting your most basic functions like body/muscle protein synthesis.And since everyone here even in very drastic diets is eating a decent amount of protein your hypothetical 0 protein eating 0% bf skinny DYEL isn't representative of anything real.
>>77240415"Muscle building is a big bulk conspiracy theory"Holy kek post body
>>77240483Meant for >>77240469But the "post body" is open to both of you
Based that he was right and BTFO Israetel but reading the screenshots of his messages it’s kinda cringe. Can’t imagine getting into shouting matches in dead corners of the internet at his age. Does he not have a family?
>>77240485I'm embarrassed by my farmer's tan.
>>77240515>Does he not have a family?I don't think weapons-grade autism like his allows for personal relationships to develop like that. >>77240338>so long as you have sufficient proteinCan you define "sufficient"? Numbers are all over the place, and it seems like they're always based on total bodyweight instead of lean mass.
>>77240531NTA, but 1-2g of protein per day per pound of lean body mass. 1g if you are obese. 2g if you are very lean.
not gonna lie, all these catty older fitness guys seem incredibly jewish and gay
>>77240338>>77240354you're arguing against A definition of bulking and a retarded one at thatwhen you're advanced enough you won't make gains outside of a surplus
>>77240581Based on what aside from your DYELstimations ?
>>77240581300g+ protein a day is insane
>>77240648Yeah that's an easy 400g if you're 6'2 200lbs, even 200 is excessive if you're "obese and need 1g per pound"Im convinced these retards count 500g of meat as actually 500g of protein
>>77240643>>77240648>>77240670>undereating proteinnot even once>>772405812g is overkill unless you're contest prepping
0.83g per LBM retards
>>77240711per pound of LBM*
>>772407111 gram per pound of lean body mass
>>77240700Post body
>>77238264Wtf I love Lyle now
>>77240329RFL is the fastest way to cut fat barring multiday fasts. The faster you shed off excess weight the sooner you can go back to real training. Make sure you stay slightly below maintenance calories the first two weeks after your cut is done so your hormones return to normal. The number one thing the body wants to do after an aggressive cut is gain the weight back. Every calories over maintenance will go straight back to your fat reserves
>>77238348>retard on the internet finds out that if you eat less calories than you burn and eat a high amount of protein you can lose weight without losing a lot of muscle massoh yes so insightful. Fucking dumb cunt.
>>77241173if you add training to that you lose basically no muscle
>>77238264God let this be real
