This is just a daily reminder that "fitness" as a way to demonstrate how "manly" you are is dead. Fitness as a whole is dying, and no one cares about how much muscle you have. More people now than ever realize that all these bodies are built by steroids, and people are tired of it.
>>77243544>let me tell you what real masculinity looks likeRoiders are closeted gays but a woman’s definition of masculinity is even less valuable.>let me tell you what real femininity looks likeSay this to a woman im sure it will go well.
>>77243544Fitness is not dying. Over 30% of gen z regularly attend the gym.Health is becoming a standard. That's why you see people caring more about masculinity in your actions, not just your body.
You can instantly tell she's trying to hop out of the carousel and settle down
imagine giving a single fuck about masculinity
>>77243544Hey dipshit, social media is in no way an accurate representation of real life. Aslo, why the fuck would you listen to a disgusting ass roasties opinions on what masculinity is.
>>77243544OP do you actually give a shit about any of this?
>>77243544Masculine men are the autists that gives her the ick who design and engineer everything she sees and use. Men build, destroy, defend and conquer. Imagine letting a foid who can't even control her emotions and who read literal homosexual porn books in public tell you what real masculinity looks like (it ends up all being about her, what a pattern).
They don't. If anything going to the gym is seen as more attractive than ever for men, the gym was a luxury until the 2000s
>>77243602>Hey dipshit, social media is in no way an accurate representation of real life.Chud reasoning. Everyone is on social media. It's not 2012 anymore. Most people act the same and represent themselves the same on social media as they do IRL.
>>77243613calm down a little bit autistic anon
>>77243572>>let me tell you what real femininity looks like>Say this to a woman im sure it will go well.Not wearing pants is a start.
>>77243622I am calm.
>>77243544putting on a muscle suit has never been the epitome of manliness, simping for an attention whore eitherJust do you lil nigga
>>77243630That's masculine thoughbeit
>real masculinity is being a simp Gee. I wonder why anyone would say such a thing!?!Anyway, I think that among certain subcultures, that men who go to the gym are perceived of as toxic, vain, non agreeable, aggressive, possibly violent/criminal, and/or anti social. Urban/metropolitan subcultures that lean toward a liberal-internationalist sensibility might be predisposed to viewing "convententional" masculinity as cliché, culturally retrograde, and taboo.However, I really do think that this is all rather exaggerated. Most people, no matter their political orientation, don't put that much thought into the deeper cultural and political implications of gym-going men in contemporary society. Going to the gym is just another hobby like golfing, shooting guns, hunting, fishing, bird watching, camping, video games, etc. If you actually have a life, you don't care about the broader social and political implications of different people who are into various niche hobbies.I sure as fuck don't care if you are into the gym or if your hobby is paying hookers to stomp on your balls. I'm not going to think deeply about the implications your hobby has for the post-modern, post-industrial, globalized, interconnected and global village that we all live in. I don't care, and I find people who this horribly annoying.Thank you for reading my piece for The Atlantic
>>77243620The vast majority of people who use social media just lurk and scroll. The people posting and commenting are the minority. Like the majority of people who make social media posts, she is fishing for attention, and she is getting it.
>>77243544This is what Margot Robbie would look like if her bloodline was incestuously jewy
>>77243620>Most people act the same and represent themselves the same on social media as they do IRL.Lolwut, you can't be this retarded, not here. No they don't, not even fucking close. Especially zoomies, the most tech present group of idjits. They all act extroverted online but in person every single one of them is an introvert. The only exception are the mentally ill, whores, niggers etc.>t. Highschool teacher>>77243642Also this. What % of people are making content that people actually consume. That faggot talking about representing themselves LOL this gen doesn't have anything deeper than fucking tiktok. Most ain't doing shit and the ones actually making stuff are always fake as fuck.
>>77243590She's spent her life fucking the first group of men (or at least as close as she can get to that), and rejecting the second group. But the first group only treat her as a fucktoy, so now she is trying to shame the first group into being more like the second group in that they will pander to her and settle down with her. But if they actually acted like beta boys like the second group does she would lose interest in them too. Never listen to anything a woman says she wants, they just shit test all day every day without even knowing they are doing it.
>>77243544>True masculinity all revolves around women and doing things for women want
>>77243664Really makes you think
>>77243544Real masculinity is a nigga like snufkin. In all honesty its positive that people are shaming steroid users, because they are faggots.>Fitness as a whole is dyingcorrection, roiding as a whole is dying.
>>77243664>"'Will you walk into my parlour?' said the Spider to the Fly."
>>77243664as if the opposite isn't the same. It would be incredibly gay to do things for members of the same sex.
>>77243544They're starting to wake up to steroids and fragile masculinity larps you fags put on. You did this to yourselves by being a mockery of the things you claim to value.
>Woman telling ANYONE how to be a man
>>77243638but does it match his purse?
>>77243544>Foid's idea of masculinity is perpetual servatude
>>77243544Because they're only thinking about the *look*, not the *function*.Workout to *get strong* and *feel good*, not look a certain way. Looking good is just a positive side-effect of being healthy.
this is what masculinity looks like
>>77243544women think femininity looks like this
>>772436204chan is literally the only social media i use
>>77243664There is truth to it, that being a man is to be a provider and caretaker for his wife and children. But the problem that arises is the same one that is present throughout all of society: women don't want to hold up their end of the bargain. Women need to be subservient and doting, but they generally don't want to do that.
>>77243544its unfair bros women who make gym their personality and have no life and are gym only losers get praised and admired for how dedicated and strong willed they aregym guys that do the same get called gymcel and get another personality faggot stop obsessing over gym. its just not fair man seriously
>>77243544you probably shouldn't be a slave to the opinion of a society and an elite that thinks lowly of men who lift, because weak people are easier to control
>>77243733Looks like one of those San Francisco faggot parades
>>77243544>>>/pol/534443796
>>77243608No, OP is a glowie.If you only knew how prolific they really are.Do not trust any scrap of media if you haven't met the writer in real life.
>>77243544Crab mentality. Also>women not liking men doing anything than being literal slavesEvery time. If you dont behave like a lady you dont deserve a gentleman. Most women are alcoholic hobo tier nowadays and wondering why men dont like them or go chasing younger girls.>t. Gentleman with a feminine gf
>>77243579This.10+ years ago going to the gym made you a "jock", a gymbro, and you could easily turn it into your personality. Now nearly everyone goes every other day just to be healthy and in shape; to the point that bragging about exercising will have people looking at you as if you bragged about showering. It's just not that special anymore.
Everyone making "why does everyone [a thing that literally never happens]" threads should be tortured to death.
>>77243544>Why does society think so lowly of men who go to the gym in 2026?Gym is mainly an incel/autist hobby, and those were always looked down on.Gym rewards autistic traits (micro-managing diets and loads, strict training and diet rules, no need for actual athleticism etc.) so there isn't really anything you can do about it.It was always this way too, gym apes were always looked down on, and they were always nerds. Pic related, upward rows from the 60s. Does that guy look like a Chad to you?
>>77243544foids just try to neg fitbros so they don't have to feel so bad about their own lardbound pig bodies.
>>77244087Or this guy, also 1960s?
>>77243544Have we gotten an ‘ox, ‘ape and ‘ill yet on this foid?
>>77244090Manlets too.Anyway you get my point.
>>77243639>men who go to the gym are perceived of as toxic, vain, non agreeable, aggressive, possibly violent/criminal, and/or anti social. Urban/metropolitan subcultures that lean toward a liberal-internationalist sensibility might be predisposed to viewing "convententional" masculinity as cliché, culturally retrograde, and taboo.In your dreams. Lifters are sweaty dorks and autists in the public mind, not criminals. When was the last time you saw gangbangers looking like bodybuilders or powerlifters?Lifters aren't considered traditionally manly either, it's actually the opposite: Watching your diet, looksmaxxing and healthmaxxing is something women do.
>>77243888Indeed, men are expected to uphold their trad role, women can do whatever. The ultimate proof of this is the draft.
>>77243544>real masculinity is simpling for m'ladyThank you for telling us what being a man is, roastie
When has society ever admired gymcels or thought them masculine? Basically never. Strongman era gymcels were literally circus freaks, Arnold era bodybuilders were seen as cartoony action toys, Zyzz era lifters were seen as fuccbois out to get pussy, these days lifting is seen as a sad escape space for lonely men with body dysphoria. An 'ideal man' was always closer to James Bond/Don Draper/Dirty Harry than roided musclefreaks with shaved oily chests
>>77244288Arnold era I think was peak
>>77243544>why does society think so lowly of me who go to the gym in 2026?They don't. Men that try to put down other men for improving themselves are projecting their own insecurities. Women are easily brainwashed and have no idea what an "average" man looks like in the same way that they butcher themselves and slather paint on their faces to look "attractive". These kind of women want men who workout but dont want them spending time away from them/around other women. Can't have both so they stay single and bitter about it was.>picrel, I'm not taking relationship advice from some balding ghoul hanging around the exact men she's claiming not to desire
She's somewhat correct but you nerds are interpreting it wrong. And she communicates it poorly.A true man (and woman) needs to both have their anima and animus, masculine and feminine in balance and harmony with each other.Too much of one or the other is not good.A man unafraid of embracing femininity, with confidence and also a mild refrain is more masculine than some vulgar roidtranny.
>>77243664Men are slaves of women since forever.That's why Zoomers are by far the most hated generation, they aren't falling for that bs, which in someways net negative. They don't have partners or sex, so no children, which is bad.
>>77244325most women today are slaves as well
>>77244318describe male femininity
>>77243888>Women need to be subservient and doting, but they generally don't want to do that.Maybe because our ancestors taught their wives and daughters that women shouldn’t take responsibility for anything: men will do it, men will fix it. Then they decided to give such women freedom, and here we are now. They want total freedom and want men to do everything.
>>77243888>>77244259Women that understand the fair exchange of value still exist, but are fleetingly rare and difficult to find through easily accessible means.Economics has also shifted either under nefarious pressure or simply under consumerist greed towards this arrangement being statistically difficult to find. A small minority of men are actually economically capable of being a complete provider due to the labor market being saturated with more women, and a lack of unionization suppressing wages.Culturally, men and women are being driven apart from each other deliberately. We need each other to function at our best. The anti woman sentiment propagated here is the same demon as the anti male sentiment propagated on tiktok and instagram.A healthy relationship with a good woman is genuinely one of life's greatest pleasures. It's essence is being deliberately sabotaged on a cultural and economic front.t. Man with stay at home mom wife.
>>77244343Yes the gender war and feminism is a huge astroturf
>>77244343>lack of unionization suppressing wages.no thatd be the immigrants you keep importing leftard
>>77244343It's simple.The more workers you have, the cheaper labor becomes. In the 1960s and 1970s, only around 30% of women worked, now it is closer to 60%, with the workforce split roughly 40/60 between women and men. That means a massive number of workers were added to the labor market. The second factor is immigration, which increased the labor supply even more and made labor much cheaper.You can't fix this with unionization. Supply is too much.
>>77244357Immigrants pump GDP and suppress GDP per capita. The economic model requires consistent population growth to avoid collapse. Birth rates cannot support this, which is admittedly a chicken and egg problem because the economic suppression from immigrants does hurt the lower class which hits the birth rate.If some African is suppressing your wages, you are probably a retard though.Based on thinking unionization is exclusively left wing, I'll assume you are an American. You should probably know that the economic golden age that you are constantly seeking to return to was largely a product of the gi bill (socialism), bulk infrastructure spending, and unionization. The unions also gave a means for workers to exclude immigrants and women from certain fields to prevent that wage suppression.>>77244370Yes, the cat is out of the bag.
>>77244373stop breathing you retarded communist
>>77244374i like capitalism you strange man
>>77244376people like you should be forcibly euthanised
>>77244373The whole economy is fake muh GDP is not an argument. Most immigrants are a net loss financially speaking, and are basically a way to buy and import new voters through socialism and open borders by leftists.
>>77244394Which part did I say we should import 10 billion Algerian goat fuckers?You are so devoid of nuance from being poisoned by media. You are just as misled as the leftist that you want me to be.Immigration input quantities should be determined by skill shortages, country of origin, typical tax base contribution, criminal record checks and a dozen other factors. You are so indoctrinated into a two dimensional way of thinking that it means you cannot think for yourself anymore.
>>77244417you're retarded
>>77244096Gangbangers aren't exactly masculine. Your great granda who fought in the war would see them as distinctly unmasculine retards and would likely have zero problem with beating the fuck out of them and/or lynching them with his pals
>>77243544I mean she's not wrong when taking into account that some weirdos think all it takes to be a man is to get physically fit and make money. I'd be 50% less happy in life if I didn't have my girlfriend whom I treated in the best possible wayThat being said, fuck that chick for being an attention whore who makes selfie videos at the gym>and no one cares about how much muscle you haveThat's why you should work out for yourself, you half-brain. What are you even rambling on about?>>77243579Perfectly said>>77243592Also this>>77243664How the fuck do you think human life works? If you're in a relationship, of course you would do what your partner desires and vice versa. Hell, I can easily go "make me some food" and my better half will do it because she knows damn well I'd do the same for her
>>77243888>women don't want to hold up their end of the bargainHonestly, I only hear this from people who are completely incapable of finding solid women. If you're only searching for looks, better expect to find shitty bitches. If you add a woman's character because you're looking for a solid partner, you will find well-raised women who will take the role in your life you desire.I always laugh when guys describe hoes as ideal partners while there's tons of cool and emotionally well balanced chicks out there who won't mess up your life and take all your money
>>77244417I never implied what you thought, I merely told you how harmful immigration is done in the US and the west is right now, since you did not address it. I'm not sure why you call me indoctrinated, if I was I would be for mass immigration and open borders.
>>77244043My town of 40,000 people, of which 25% are elderly, has 8 regular gyms + 2 martial art gymsHalf of them were opened in the last 5 years.Town's population has not increased that much at all in 5 years.
>>77244444hes a leftist pretending to not be one
>>77243544Women just see gym as another nerdy thing that attracts insecure guys. They are attracted to athletes, sportsmen, not gymfags plus the roided out aesthetic is gross and only attractive to tattooed whores
>>77244454I'm trying to be good faith here but you're probably right
>>77243544Going to the gym has become brown and low class coded. You have to get jacked in secret then never mention the gym, wear gym brands, have supplements visible in your house, etc. All that shit gives women the ick and makes normies think you're a gymcel loser
>>77243544Sure he might have muscles, but I have brains. Luckily for me, someone dumb enough to do what few can without steroids is balanced out by their lack of wit.
>>77243544If you look her up, she's russian, and all her posts are low effort engagement bait about how men treating her like a princess. You guys here have fallen for her shtick.
>>77244500you overthink it
She isn’t wrong.
>>77243888The womans side of the bargain was a loss pre femenism. Sure, modern femenists are hypocritical, but reverting to the past rolles would be a losing game for women.
>>77243544You guys know that worrying and debating these kinds of things is literally asking the thing that you perceive to give you value (women) for permission or asking "where should I stand what should I do what is my big other wanting from me" masculinity is another fantasy of completion you're all just looking for guarantees where there is none. "What does she want from me" is what you are asking u all worship women and u are constantly asking "what should I do what should I do" that's gay and you enjoy it.
>>77243544Anxiety is just your body asking "what does my god want me to do right now am I standing correctly am I doing this correctly what do I do" that's why it's bitch made meditation will take you out of that world of symbolism and u can finally rest
>>77244936>the woman's side of the bargain was a loss for them as compared to now>but just as long as men keep THEIR side of the bargainYeah have cake eat cake everything is easier when you can do both at the expense of another group of human beings, it's a no brainer women prefer now.The real problem is men not kicking the bucket because "muh female approval"
>>77243544Reminder that there are still men falling for this shit test.
>>77243620>represent themselves the same on social media as they do IRLIt was real in my mind
>>77245032Yeah, modern times are nice for women and ok for men, but there was a time where it was nice for men, but bad for women. Modern day society doesn't cater nearly as much to women as 4channers like to suggest. Globally, women are still at a loss. I do believe there is a middle ground, and in my opinion thats classical femenism. I dont think its particularly hard to reach that point, its just that it isnt in the interest of the bourgeois and the baby eating elites. But the west is imploding, so we wont have to worry about it much longer, time to learn Mandarin anyway.
>>77243636it's impossible to see what this pic is judging only from the thumbnail. I was convinced it was a cityscape seen from a plane or helicopter but it turns out the picture shows a fancy niggerman.
>>77245091>nice for men but bad for womenYou mean the time when men had to do backbreaking work in the sun all day while women cooked, cleaned, and maybe sewed? Or maybe you're referring to neolithic times, when adult men had an average age of death of 28 while adult women lived to 45? Moron.
>>77245143Im talking about those times where women didnt have any opportunity to pursue self realisation, where they had no ownership rights, where they had no mobility or agency without a man. Where women were denied education. Where you existing without a father or a husband was a damning fate, unable to provide for yourself as worker rights were drastically worse for women even though women worked. Because remember, women worked too, but their work went unrecognised and they lacked of protection. Where women who were sexually assaulted were blamed, aand lost everything because of it. Where medicine wasnt developed, and still isnt developed, with women in mind. Where women were subjugated regularly to abuse, but had no way to escape. Where women were second class citizens.Yes anon, it was, and still is, pretty shit.
>>77245185Oh, so you're describing the post-industrial-revolution times when women sat around in luxury while men worked, and while priveledged women fantasized they were oppressed.
Getting fit is the best thing you can do. The idea that people think lowly of a person for being fit is retarded. Being fit is your first impression. People treat you better when you're fit.
>>77245193>post-industrial-revolution times when women sat around in luxury while men workedNTA but this is only applicable to women living in the upper echelon of society. During the industrial revolution, women were working in factories 14-16 hours a day from as young as 15.
>>77243544>society>some random hoe
>>77245193you're not gonna listen to a woman saying, but >>77245220 said it just fine. Really isnt that hard to accept desu.
>>77245220Unmarried women had property rights then though. If married the norm was joint savings but that doesn't mean women were oppressed by it. And it was only for a relatively short period of time until unions got women and children out of the factories. Pre-union nobody had worker rights so any talk of women being uniquely affected is pure nonsense. Medicine is and has always been developed with women in mind. Abuse was a valid reason for divorce even before no-fault divorce. Sexual assault was a capital crime carrying danger of the death penalty during the industrial revolution.
>>77244333Being tender and kind
>>77245143>You mean the time when men had to do backbreaking work in the sun all day while women cooked, cleaned, and maybe sewedWomen were expected to work in the fields alongside men and perform the domestic duties for the family. Female serfs took charge of raising smaller livestock and did most of the sheepspearing and garden managing. They were often the ones tending to the sick and assisting other women in childbirth. Taking care of children is another thing, it's very draining, but it can be hard to understand if you're not raising them.
>>77245243Long post incoming. You are right about property rights for unmarried women, women didn't have joint savings with their husbands however, all her property went into her husband's name until the late 1800s. Women did not enjoy full legal personhood for several decades after.>And it was only for a relatively short period of time until unions got women and children out of the factoriesFemale factory jobs have persisted for longer than you think, even today the majority of people working in textile factories are women. Women typically worked in the labor force doing assembly work, or worked in domestic service, retail, food and drink industries. Trade unions did help but they focused on men, women were cheaper labor. Even after reform hours were still long and pay was low in the early 20th century. Women married early, after marriage women resigned to take care of children, though rural and poor women kept working.>Medicine is and has always been developed with women in mindUnfortunately this isn't true. Most medicines, dosages, and diagnostic tools were made for men in mind. Women were kept out of clinical trials because researchers believed that our hormones would makes things too complicated. Women are 50% more likely to be misdiagnosed when having a heart attack, are twice as likely to have a bad reaction to most common drugs, and are on average diagnosed 2.5 years later for cancer and 4.5 years later for metabolic diseases compared to men. It's gotten better since the 1990s, but men are more likely to have their medical concerns taken seriously.>Abuse was a valid reason for divorce even before no-fault divorceIn theory, yes, but marital rape wasn't recognized in all 50 states here in burgerland until 1993.
>>77243579Gen Z is mostly skinnyfat twinks and then guys taking SARMS and peptides.
>>77245091>But the west is implodingI can only hope, so women will get a taste of what happens when MEN avabdon their side of the bargain like women have been doing for the last generations.It will be so much for the "strong independent women", and I'll die laughing as I see women BEGGING for some traditional gender roles to be brought back (because they can't live without men fulfilling male gender roles while they refuse to fulfill the female gender roles like the spoiled children with hairy vaginas that they are)
>>77243693Yeah, now women understand that most guys that "look like that" take drugs.
>>77244512She's obviously very attractive so why wouldn't that be real.
>>77243544Well it a good thing women reward good behavior in men.Ignore women who use social media to try and brow beat morals.
>>77243544>listening to women everlmao
>>77245131like when you look at the CBT pictures from afar, every one looks great.Then you zoom in and they're all dyel hahaAnyway, give Shaka Zulu some respect this dude has been through some shit
>>77243544>Men think masculinity looks like: Brown guy>What real masculinity looks like: White guy
>>77245091Feminism is anti-family and therefore anti-human.
>>77245579Can you elaborate on what these traditional male gender roles are?
>>77245543>women didn't have joint savings with their husbands however, all her property went into her husband's name until the late 1800s.That is joint savings. The specific name used isn't particularly consequential for those purposes.>even today the majority of people working in textile factories are womenToday women were brought back into the workforce thanks to feminism.>Women married early, after marriage women resigned to take care of childrenBut that's the point. Women were let to live in priviledge while supported by their husbands. That is the mechanism wherein women were able to be in luxury without working.>Women were kept out of clinical trials because researchers believed that our hormones would makes things too complicatedWrong. Women of childbearing age were kept out of clinical trials out of ethical concerns, because the danger of causing birth defects was considered too important to risk it.
>>77243660Found the incel guys
>>77244428>my better halfYou mean your hand? Lmao nice one incel
>>77243888wanting to sacrifice yourself and everything youve become for another being is lowly and weak.enjoy your pussy and child loser.
>>77245748Brown mindset
>>77243544Bitches want this shit yet they don't know how to clean or cook and look and act like skanks with tattoos
>>77243633Orthoniggers aren't white bojan
>>77245697>That's joint savingsJoint savings means that both people involved have equal access and ownership. Under coverture the husband owns all of her property. The husband has legal rights over her labor, any money or businesses she had was his. He could rob her of all her belongings and she cannot do anything about it. >Today women were brought back into the workforce thanks to feminism.I doubt it didn't play a part, the second wave which had a focus on labor rights does come right after a massive increase of women in the workforce. But I'd argue that even if feminism was magically erased from existence, women would still eventually enter the workforce. During WWII women entered the workforce, but not all of them left when the soldiers came back. The barrier to work wasn't completely put back. There was a sudden boom in clerical, government, and service jobs. New technology made domestic work less gruelling, we saw major advancements in contraception like the pill. They would eventually enter the workforce, especially as outsourcing created higher unemployment in the 80s.
>>77245697Split my post in half, here's part 2.>But that's the point. Women were let to live in privilege while supported by their husbands. On paper it's a better deal. The problem is that it leaves you at your husband's mercy. It's not just about the abusers, what if the husband loses his job, or the wife becomes a widow? The only system to support women was marriage. Husbands being controlling, being an alcoholic, beating the wife and kids, having mistresses or secret families weren't dealbreakers like they are today. Women didn't have medical autonomy, husbands had to approve medical procedures. It was common for doctors to withold bad news like a cancer diagnosis from the wife, informing the husband instead.>Women of childbearing age were kept out of clinical trials out of ethical concerns, because the danger of causing birth defects Women were kept out of clinical trials for both reasons. Researchers saw women's hormonal cycles as a compounding factor and just assumed they were little men otherwise.
>>77246075>The husband has legal rights over her labor, any money or businesses she had was his. He could rob her of all her belongings and she cannot do anything about it.It was legal unity as one person. If he tried to rob everything as you say, she absolutely could so something about it. If he left with everything that would be a valid fault for divorce which would lead to a settlement in her favor.>During WWII women entered the workforce, but not all of them left when the soldiers came backDue primarily to feminist propaganda which was subverted by the government for military benefit.>They would eventually enter the workforce, especially as outsourcing created higher unemployment in the 80s.I'm sure you just quoted that from somewhere but it wasn't because of outsourcing, and in fact it exacerbated those problems. Feminism opening women to the workforce depressed wages and forced sensible women into the workforce as well as a result.>On paper it's a better dealIt WAS a better deal. The husband had to provide. Rather than being provided for, you chose to work for a billionare so that you can either die alone or maybe be able to afford kids in your 30s or worse 40s when the risks of birth defects have grown exponentially. All of the things you listed as not dealbrakers were valid faults for divorce, which at the time would result in a divorce seriously favoring the wife. Its common today for doctors to inform family members for serious diagnoses rather than the patient directly.
>>77246075>Joint savingsNiqqa dis a /fit/ness board, round deez parts "joint savings" mean supplements like boron, collagen, and glucosamine.
>If you don't (do action I benefit from) you are (insult I think you will take offense to)babby's first attempt at manipulation
>>77245543>Women are 50% more likely to be misdiagnosed when having a heart attack, are twice as likely to have a bad reaction to most common drugs, and are on average diagnosed 2.5 years later for cancer and 4.5 years later for metabolic diseases compared to men. It's gotten better since the 1990s, but men are more likely to have their medical concerns taken seriously. Idk if this is real, but the fact is men get more heart attacks and cancers, and are therefore going to be diagnosed more frequently, pushing that average down, so it's hardly muh evil sexist doctors think my symptoms are just me being hysterical.
>>77246337My guess is that because women bitch and moan they whole lives, no one really believes them when they say they are having a heart attack. Men never complain and avoid doctors until they fall fulminated.
>>77245695I could, but it's crystal clear you're a feminist not arguing in good faith, so I won't.
>>77246346I did hear a story of that being a problem with black women dying after/during childbirth because they're so loud in general so doctors didn't take them seriously when they were actually dying, and that sounds plausible, but I don't know if it was a widespread issue or if that can be extrapolated to other issues with women in general.
>>77243544Because demonstrating how manly you are is a feminine trait. The essence of manliness is doing the thing you want without caring about how you look. You have turned yourself into a woman.
>>77246472>not wanting to be able to shear someone's head off with a punchOh no the senate of low T has spoken, I have to accept that I'm stupid because they said so.
>>77243544If you are smart enough to get comparable to a roider you are also probably good enough at other shit to not need to give speeches with your nipples showing.
