>Stop eating carbs>Fat runs off you like water in the shower>Start building muscles for no reason>End up looking like a gymnast>Coworkers congratulate me on my gains thinking I've been exercisingIt was really that easy huh?
I’m a professional guitarist for a world renowned metal band and keto cured my carpal tunnel
>>77254813which band is that
>>77254819Avenged Sevenfold
>>77254810Because usually a carb dense food like bread has a lot of calories, retard.
because flour is poisonous
Name one person that has a respectful physique doing low carb
>>77254892all of them
>>77254810Good work OP, now post that means lean physique you built on keto without exercising
>>77254892
>>77254810Sugar is good for me.
>>77255241esl image
>>77254810Obesity is caused by insulin. Keto lowers insulin.
>start keto>lose all your strength gains until your body becomes fat adapted which can take up to 3 monthsno thanks
>>77255663>fat adapter Yeah that’s not a thing
>>77255672Except it is, I don't get retards like you. It's like you think google and shit doesn't exist. It's probably cause you don't know what that really means & you assume it's meme shit. All that means is that you've been in ketosis so damn long your body enters a state of mitochondrial biogenesis, relax I know big words scare you, all that means is your body creates more mitochondria to accommodate energy demands. You do the same thing every time you work out, but being in ketotsis makes it happen systematically, as opposed to only in muscle tissue.
The reason the ketogenic diet has so many haters is that a lot of people simply don't have what it takes to do it.It has amazing results and the internet is full of thousands of testimonials, and is literally the most well-studied diet of the last 100 years.But many people simply don't have the self-restraint and self-control to give up carbs, and they get jealous when they see the amazing results others get.Keto means you can't eat bread, cake, pasta, cookies, grains, cereal, pretty much all junk food, candy or anything with sugar.Some people are simply too mentally weak to do this and instead of being honest with themselves they rage against the diet and its proponents and tell themselves it's all about the calories or some shit.
The following is assuming you eat common whole ingredients with decent micronutrient densityCarbohydrates + protein + low fat = good for weight loss, might or might not be optimal for micronutrients can get you by but expect deficiencies especially vitamins B, Vit D, vit A, calcium, omega 3-6 issues etc Fat + protein + low carbohydrate = still good for weight loss, most optimal for micronutrientsEverything else is plain malnutrition
It’s quite dangerous to be in ketosis long term
>>77255717No, it isn't.
>>77254810>eating 2700 calories a day with carbs, not losing weight>eating 1800 calories a day without carbs, losing weightWOW ITS A MAGIC DIET
>>77255730>>eating 2700 calories a day with carbs, not losing weight>why?>carbs are spiking insuling which signals the body to store as much energy as possible>>eating 2700 calories a day without carbs, losing weight>why?>fats and protein don't spike insulin nearly as much>most of what you eat tops off your blood glucose, gets used for building, or just passes throughWow it's almost like the body is a complex machine that does things wildly differently depending on whether or not certain signals are present at certain times. More like a biochemical equitation rather than basic arithmetic, huh, weird.
>>77255754CICO is law, insulin response is overrated, and you're a faggot. You'll never post physique
>>77255719Yes it is, what if someone breaks into your house and demands all your bread, but you don't have any so he shoots you?
>>77255770>this is most definitely me and not a pic I screenshotted & drew over so the image search couldn't identify itjfc this place is just sad now.>CICO is lawNo dipshit, it's a summary. Lol.
>>77255784Still no physique pics, curious. CICO is law. You're a retard and can't even tell me what NEAT is without looking it up.Keto is not a magic diet. It is a lie sold to you by people like>>77254932to convince you they aren't juiced out of their minds and to buy their books.
>>77255784>>77255770Oh look, guess I'm right now, keto wins.
>>77255810Uh, keto is old as fuck retard. It was made for diabetics in the early 1900s.
>>77255823umm acshually it was first made for people with epilepsy
>>77255834No, it wasn't. Look again dipshit. That was incidental. Keto was used for diabetics BEFORE it was given the name Keto which it only got after it was recognized that diabetics were having fewer seizures.
>>77255815>retard doesn't realize by posting a similar, albeit inferior body, he's proving me right by showing CI=CO, and that it isn't a magic dietfucking lmfao.
>>77255770>>77255815>>77255859It's literally the same fucking person moron.
>>77255885I hate to tell you this bro, but that second one isn't me, and I legitimately thought you just asked AI to redo my photo because of how pixelated that shit looks when upscaled.Anyways, good job for being a huge faggot. In conclusion: keto isn't a magic diet.
Was a time this boars when "post body" was sacred and ALWAYS came with a time stamp.
>>77255901Neither of them are you. Kek.
Should you do full Keto or can you strategically consume some glucose before a workout for better lifts?The keto stuff makes sense to me and the evidence seems good but I still don't understand how it works for lifting. You don't get very much emergy from the blood stream during lifts, your muscles use the fuel that is inside them, aka glycogen. Jeff Nippard told me to consume 3-4g carbs per pound bodyweight for optimal lifts.What do you do for keto lifting. Do you just rely on super small amounts of glycogen from eating meat?
>>77255730a reasonable comparison would be 1800 calories with carbs and 1800 calories without carbs
>>77255955You wither away and die. That's keto for you. And that's why keto wins.
>>77255778Keto will give me impenetrable abs of steel that will deflect bullets.
>>77255955Many keto proponents set a carb limit of like 50 grams maximum per day. You could have those right before your workout.Ideal keto would be zero carb, but you can make that compromise.Personally I don't see the point since you're usually exercising to cause fat loss, and insulin blocks lipolysis (fat burning).
>>77255955You'll be sluggish for a bit, bout a week or two, all you have to do is give yourself longer rest periods until you adjust. Your body can get glycogen/glucose from the glyceride back of lipids.
How the fuck do i stop eating carbs? They literally fuel me for pr's and give me the biggest pump i ever had in the gym. Every time i eat carbs and sip on my preworkout coffee i get adrenaline and dopamine pumping through my veins ready to fuck some shit up in the gym. When it try to abstain from carbs and orange juice i lose my pump and get depressed and feel like life is meaningless. Don't get me wrong, i love eggs and red meat and saturated fat in general, but that's only for post workout meals and building muscle, but i can't train and fuck without carbs in my system, not to mention the keto hairloss. God loves carbs.
>>77256079>God loves carbs.So maybe shut your SUGAR addicted retarded ass mouth and ONLY eat UNPROCESSED carbs. Ffs, just reading that bullshit, I can feel the pathetic leaking out of you.>preworkout coffeeStatbucks drinking fat fuck. When you say carbs it's so fucking obvious from your junky faggot tone that you're not talking about fruit & root/vine veggies, you're talking about pasta & chips, and other sugar/salt saturated shit. Thats your pump retard! Water retention!! Don yourself a favor, for just 1 fucking week, 1 week, cut out ALL processes carbs and supplement creatine. I promise by the end of that week you'll either kill yourself like the weak little bitch you sound like, or you'll feel better than you ever have.
How to do low carb without losing mental focus? I work in a white collar construction job and I can't afford to have brain fog or low energy
>>77256079>not to mention the keto hairlossNo such thingt. Have been on it for 2 years previously and been on it for 5 months currently
>>77256101After the initial adaptation period the brain fog goes away. When I first tried keto I felt like shit for a week and now my body is used to it. Even after stopping keto. Being fat adapted allows me to drop in and out of it without having to go through it again
>>77256101MCT oil, bypasses liver first past, immediate energy. Put some in your morning coffee. Also, there is a non-natty cheat to accelerating the fat adaptation. Ephedrine! Just go to your pharmacy and ask for "generic bronkaid" cause the pharmacy bitches never know the actual fucking drug name -_-Aside from all the obvious reasons a stimulant would help with brain fog, ephedrine accelerates your metabolism and kicks lipolysis into high gear. My rough guess is that it could theoretically halve the time it takes to enter the deep ketosis necessary to begin true fat adaptation. But what do I know, my degree is in Kinesology kek
>>77256099>you're talking about pasta & chips, and other sugar/salt saturated shitTo be honest, my fathers own a sourdough bakery and that's basically my pre-workout carb of choice, 2 slices of sourdough with honey and some butter sometimes. For main meals i eat potatoes and beef or chicken thighs (skin on). For coffee i drink from the local espresso shop and that's it. But i do hold water for some reason. >supplement creatineI do 7g a day for the last year or something. >>77256103How's your hairline? I'm 33 and that's one of the few good traits i have left so yeah
>>77254861no way there's a guitarist from a7x on my 4chanproof?
>>77255707>Carbohydrates + protein + low fat = good for weight loss, might or might not be optimal for micronutrients can get you by but expect deficiencies especially vitamins B, Vit D, vit A, calcium, omega 3-6 issues etchow tf is this good for weight loss if it fuck your hormones big time?caloric deficit+low fat=your testosterone commits suicide
>>77256127>2 slices of baked processes carbs slathered in sugar so thick it forms a goo-_-Gives the same vibe as a fat bitch saying she eats mostly veggies.
>>77256137...Anon, you do know that wouldn't happen until your BF% hits a certain level, right? So long as you're getting enough cholesterol to produce hormones, which like... 2 eggs would do? Then your T will be totally fine, even on a deficit.
>>77256146post body
>>77254861Ayyy I love you guys. I once bought tickets to your show with my wife but she became my exwife and so I didnt get to see you guys. Heard it was a good show though.
>>77254932That looks like hgh mostly
>>77256187After you m'homo
I’m carnivore but like to add fruits and honey
>>77256222...so no keto? Although, I guess it would depend on what fruit and how much. You can maintain ketosis on a protein dominant diet but you'd already be walking a very fine line unless you were super picky with your meats.
>>77255955There's literally no point. Your body can burn over a thousand calories an hour from fat
>>77256229But your muscles don't have time to burn blood lipids mid rep
>>77255955Further, glycogen levels between Keto/carbers are identical so that doesnt matter either
>>77256127Im 34 and eat a thick ass peanut butter and honey sandwich before I hit the gym and my hairline is flawless. Maybe we're onto something bro.
>>77256127I'm 38 and my hairline is fine just graying
>>77256236Why do jeff nippard tell me 3-4 g carb per pound bodyweight for best lifts?
>>77256232Mkay but every lipid has a glycerol back that can be converted to glycogen/glycerin and after a couple weeks your body adjusts to this so well everything goes back to normal. I guarantee you there is a 0% chance you're going so hard you're burning shit faster than your body can produce it. At most for those first couple weeks you might need an extra minute between sets.
>>77256254Cause nippard is part of an ingroup of pseudo-intellectuals that only make recommendations that fall within a certain norm and they never go against what academics say is optimal.
>>77256255Ok thank u :)
>>77256255What about caffeine? Should I ditch it?
>>77256279Hell no! So long as you mean literal caffeine and not coffee. Nothing against black coffee mind you, but whats the point in wasting that time & money when you can get caf tabs for like less than a 10th of the price of the shit you have to regularly buy to make coffee. >>77256124In fact, keep up the coffee and start up this. Caffeine & ephedrine work synergistically to increase the potency & duration of both. Wouldn't advise if you have heart issues or family history of heart defects.
>>77256299Oh! Also, don't do it during workouts. Lots of idjits back in the day when ephedrine diet pills were everywhere, people had the dumb fucking idea to take all this shit that massively stresses your heart WHILE working out, which yeah it'll increase the burn, but all the risks too. Instead, take it right after a workout. You already have increased passive burn after a workout cause of EPOC, take E+C with a protein shake right after.
>>77254932>>77254892I think the whole keto/CICO thing will go on forever and ever because of one really fundamental factor that is literally never established in any of this shit: how many calories are the keto guys eating?A guy who is eating less than maintenance on keto is clearly just doing a more restrictive version of CICO by another name.
>>77255928first one is, second one isn't. and im positive you made it through AI now. I accept your concession, no physique posting keto faggot.>>77255985Both will produce the same weight change. My point is that people often eat less calorically speaking on keto than they would on a regular diet. They don't understand they just reduced their caloric intake and are losing weight through that and instead blame the carbs.>>77256340bingo. It's all calories in, calories out. You could eat 500 calories of ice cream every day and lose weight so long as you track everything else and account for it.
>>77256152your body hits the emergency brakes way before you hit your arbitrary bodyfat% targetit does that the moment it detects food scarcity so gl with your retarded CICO philosophyit's either FEAST or FAMINE niggathe body doesn't think "oh this guy has read on r*ddit that my entire complex survival mechanism can be reduced to basically some arbitrary sum of numbers vs some other arbitrary sum of numbers so now i will conform to his worldview and shift the entire logic behind my survival mechanism">lmao2eggsunironically ngmi>t. guy who lost 139 lbs
i love carbs
>>77255701A lot of the hate comes from vegans. They are still seething about Atkins.
>>77255955Carb consumption shows zero benefit for athletics.
>>77256254Jeff Nippard injects hormones because he knows that hormones determine body composition. Then he lies to people because he knows lying is profitable.
>>77256340There's plenty of proof that eating more calories on low-carb/keto results in better body composition than less calories with carbs.The argument will go on forever because most arguments are just lies (cico) against truth (keto). People aren't actually engaged in cooperative truth seeking.
>>77256443Only 10-15% of your total caloric intake needs to be from fat to optimize hormones. The most extreme studies say 20%.
>>77254810you forgot to mention>shit once a fortnight (if you're lucky) and when it does come it's a rock hard puck that shreds your asshole on the way out
>>77256355>they just reduced their caloric intake and are losing weight through that and instead blame the carbsi understand that. for me it worked because carbs are what i find easier to overeat
>>77256748Only if you're not hydrating and getting in your electrolytes.
>>77256484Not sure if troll. Look at the LBM decreases. That graph shows keto results in greater LBM losses than a low fat diet. That's not better body comp. No one wants to lose 15lbs if 5 of them are muscle.
>>77256870That's glycogen and water loss, it will come back after a couple of days of eating carbs.
>>77254810Keto is not effective. Undoing certain metabolic issues that are a consequence of the modern diet/lifestyle is effective. For most people keto is not a long-term solution, but like a transient reset of metabolic functions. Fasting does the same thing (also because some of the same processes are involved). For a limited amount of individuals, due to their particular metabolic phenotype, keto is a more adequate long-term approach.
>>77255955The owner of my gym is religiously following a keto diet with the exception he's drinking 2-3 beers on occasion and he has won multiple powerlifting competitions so that's that
>>77256922>Keto is not effective. Undoing certain metabolic issues that are a consequence of the modern diet/lifestyle is effective.Yeah the people who swear that keto completely turned their life around are people who simply had an utterly garbage diet before. Of course you'll feel like a million bucks when you stop living off hot pockets, pringles, cookies, and chain restaurant slop.
fucking retarded thing to do if you are actually training or doing sports it's a shortcut for ruining your blood vessels and cardiovascular healtht. did strict keto for 3 weeks and started getting chest pains first time in my life
>>77256901But it's not. According to le maus study carbs protect LBM.
>>77256870>>77256901It literally says lean body mass. Lean body mass is not glycogen and water.>>77256484This doesn't say a fucking thing about "more calories."
>>77257453Yes it's part of lean mass
>>77257453Lean mass includes water.Low-carb is best for retaining muscle. Carbs cause higher adiposity at the same body weight.
>>77254861>avenged sevenfold>metalthat's how I know you're full of shit
>>77256079If your current diet is working for you why change it?
>>77254810It keeps your insulin minimized. Read about how type 1 diabetics died before insulin shots were developed.
>>77254810Apropos of nothing, I went back to carnivore, specifically targeting sat fat, and I lot abt 18lbs through Q1 of this year. I was doing about 1hr of cardio between workout days but dropped that due to performance issues and I finally broke 174 the other day. Keep in mind, I was stuck at 19.5% bodyfat for YEARS before that doing what was basically PMSF so I could sneak in about 30 beers a week.Got a blood test back in Jan and it came back around 800ng/dl which really surprised me considering the weight loss, but I only gained strength through all this, so I should theoretically have only lost this 18lbs in pure fat.
I fell for the keto meme for years. Once I abandoned keto I got leaner than I’d ever been and eating carbs made it easier and more enjoyable to do. I just had to weigh and track all my food. Keto sucks ass
>>77256840>what i find easier to overeatand that's a totally acceptable response. the best diet is the one where you can count your calories, and STICK to it.
>>77254892Chandler from my work
Keto is the "The ride never ends" equivalent of diets. Restricts you in so many ways it's unreal. It is better than ye average US slop diet, but just barely. Both are peak ngmi.>imagine being scared of a fruit
