How do some "men" cut on <2000 kcal? I'm a 174cm manlet and I cut on 2400-2800 kcal/day, depending how active I am. Do you guys just lay in bed all day?Inb4 "you just wanted to post your pic" stfu you 1700kcal-eating little bitch
>>77265261That's because calories are a meme and dont exist
>>77265261Eating and staying the same weight is starting to cost a shitload of money.
>>77265261Little boy builds should be quiet. Like your torso is the length of a 6’4 man’s thumb and you’re talking shit
>>77265276This is what healthcare professionals believe
>>77265261Down 8kg in a month on 2500kcal a day, you are factually correct ohpee, only bitch men cut on less. Literally just go outside and walk.
you can't handle a hard cut and you're not the bitch?idgi
I spend almost 10 hours a day sitting at my office desk, yeah
>>77265261My tdee is like 3300 on days I workout because cardio is in there and 2100 on days I don't. I cut by just eating protein on the weekends, no carbs, close to no fat and walk a bit just to get off my ass. Maintence the other 5 days.
>>77265261Muscles require calories. If you're just fat you can easily cut going as low as 1400kcal. But if like you, they had muscle, which also require calories to maintain, then they would require more to cut.Not sure what's so complicated.
>>77265334u r overestimating the difference
>>77265341>workout doesn't require calories/energy to simply even maintain musclesRetard alert
lower your tone when speaking to me, fellow manlet.t. 175cm / 82.5kg
>>77265363Fatso
>>77265363u'd probably be 65 kg at op's body fat
>>77265261i can't cut unless I'm at like 900 kcals it's crazy I'm 187cm and don't lose weight but once I'm at 900 or below the kilos just start fucking disappearing like crazy
>>77265261I have hypothyroidism, so I have to cut at 1200 to 1500 calories at 6'1 and 190. This is with 10 rounds of boxing plus plyometrics plus cardio. This isn't a cut, either, this is the rest of my life. Pretty gnarly, to say the least, but calories really don't work as claimed. I should be eating 3k/day or so according to the doctors. But doing that doesn't work at all.
>>77265288> hard cuttell me you're >16% body fat without telling me
MacroFactor put my TDEE at 1670 kcal walking 8,000 steps/dI'm perpetually skinnyfat because even 1500 kcal feels like starvation. Cutting at 1350 invariably leads to reactive binges
>>77265276
>>77265341>AiYou've already lost the argument.
>>77265261I was maintaining on 200g of protein and 4000-4500 calories lifting in the morning/afternoon and before bed for an entire month.
>>77265341The people responding to you don't have actual arguments because you're right. The difference is negligible compared to the difference between appetites of people, and also it's especially nothing when you consider modern foods where a tiny thing might be full of fat and thus 500 kcals - if someone has a habit of adding 1 tbsp of butter to their veggies / pasta / rice / whatever that in itself takes away the difference of literally a 8 kg muscle difference.
>replying to yourself
>>77265283No? Any dietician would have an aneurysm at this suggestion. Why are you such a jew
5'9 here, 1500 calories a day for me (accounting for exercise) is close but not even a 1000 cal deficit. That's on the upper end of a doable but difficult diet. Even normie slobs can do that. If you have any muscle at all, eat high protein and lift/exercise 5 days a week Its enough o maintain muscle while dropping 1.5-2 lbs a week
I'm on a 1500cal diet for about a month. I was 92kg, now I'm down to 85kg (180cm btw ~6"), my goal is to get to something around 80-77kg. I was eating freely before, lots of snacks, pizza, beer, soda, easily 3000kcals daily. I was 100% sedentary too, but I included 20min of exercise a day (push ups, sit ups, curls with some dumbbels I have around, nothing too strict, I'm prioritizing showing up over excellence here). Am I doing this too fast? I'm sure hungry every single day, but I'm sticking to it if it's working.
>>77265477Why? You are way dumber than every AI available right now
>>77265608If you can hold it, fine. But once you get to under 15% you need to go max 300-500 cal deficit because otherwise you risk lean mass
>>77265608Its hard to say since we don't know your bodyfat, how much of those 85kg is fat/muscle, but in my experience, 1500 is way too low and way too quickly unless the 92kg you had were pure fat, in which case, you don't even need calories to lose fat.Feeling hungry is fine so do your best occupy yourself, especially with hands
>>77265697>unless the 92kg you had were pure fat, in which case, you don't even need calories to lose fat.And of course some evidence https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC4982520/
>>77265693OK boss
179cm @ 80kg here. Probably 22,5bf%Cutting on 2300kcal here. You are probably lying, or are fat and thats not your body.Cheers
>>77265724>Probably 22,5bf%>Cutting on 2300kcal herePost body+progress
>>77265727I began the cut 4 days ago (officially 6 days but the first 2 days were a bender, then Ive been very serious about it). Bulked for a couple of months before.Im dyel but I dont want to keep bulking and become a true fatass for the couple of weeks Im gonna be shirtless at the beach. Ill begin bulking seriously in August after hopefully losing 5-6kg (and Ill bulk for 6-7 months)
I'm 188cm, 104kg and am cutting on 2200. Lost about a 0.8-1kg per week for the past 8 weeks. I average 8-9k steps per day and I lift every other day. The rest of the time I'm sedentary. I don't get what people are doing to bump up their calories so much. Even if my deficit wasn't this aggressive and was around 500, I'd still only be eating 2600 cals or so.
>>77265261>I cut on 2400-2800 kcal/dayImagine thinking that's a cut lol. Try being on 1700kcal a day baby boi.
>>77265733good call, you're already in the early stage of mr kike gut
>>77265738top kekkyeah and I know I am not that muscular underneath all that fat, but I cant just go to the beach with a gut hanging. I do look better than last year tho (I should be around 16-17% by the end of the bulk)I should have taken this shit more seriously starting September 2025, but I fucked around until January. Sad!Also: OP is lying and baiting and the worst is that people fall for it
>>77265733Baffling retardationInstead of gaining muscle that makes your cutting easier you opt for the convulted tangled and wrangled way of cutting with 0 muscleYou're skinnyfat and will be skinnyfat when you cut. No you wont be "ottermode"Should have bulked then cut to see muscle why am i even bothering you're all retards
>>77265756>skinnyfatOkay bro, whatever. Post body
>>77265766You have 0 muscle while being +20% body fat that's the ultimate definition of skinnyfatScreenshot this post, in 1 year you'll still look the same and cry about "genetics" boogeyman small goblins inside your blood thst prevent you from looking like cavill or whatever meme fag you're trying to mimick
>>77265756100% true, I mean how the fuck do you even bulk and get this >>77265733, like lmao what did he look like prior to bulking.Good feet though no homo
>>77265769post-bodyI posted mine, post yoursI admit I am not that muscular beneath the fat. I made a thread asking if I were right to cut. I made a decision.
>>77265756it's fine to cut in his position. everyone on this board is so short-sighted. he's presumably in his 20s so he's going to be lifting for decades to come. going down to a lower bf despite not being jacked yet is fine because being more content with how you look is kinda the entire point of all this. in the long run he'll be pretty much just as jacked in 5, 10, 15 years if he does or doesn't do it so the state of mind is the primary factor to care about.
>>77265776Bulked just for 2 months before realizing I am too fat. Many things in my life have gotten in the way of me taking the gym seriously the past years. In all fairness, I have only really progressed since January. I am at 57,5kg OHP for 3 reps and 85kg bench for 4 reps. Its not much, but its something.Do you guys even go out in the real world? I would say that even like this, I am above 50th percentile. Of course, anybody who has done it seriously for 1 year beats my ass to it. But Im not delusional. Ill try to be skinnier for the 2 weeks I go to the beach, and then in August Ill try to keep on doing this seriously. I begin working so I hope to have more structure to my life.
>>77265781>will 100% lower his testosterone due to lower fat levels and weight, decreasing any potential gainsIts a terrible call
>>77265787even if you accept that that will be of any meaningful significance, it won't matter after another 2-3 years of lifting much less after 10. are you a teenager or something? there is more time in your life than between now and 1 year from now.
>>77265781Im 25 so I have plenty of years left to lift. In the previous post I said I could not really stay consistent. Call me a nigger, maybe I dont have the grit, but so much stuff has gone down in my life during the 19-25 yo period that I just could not keep diet and/or exercise consistent for months on end. Some people decide to prioritize being jacked and its fine, me I could not. Now my life is much more structured and I hope it to be even more so when I begin my job after university in September. You gain some you lose some.I might not be jacked, but I am fit, active and strong enough for almost anything I have done that required strength (some odd blue collar job there and then). For fucking like a bull too.You cant just see a normal dude a shout "skinnyfat". Its ridiculous. I know skinnyfat people in my life, who dont exercise or look their diet for shit, and I look much, much better than them. This board is full of fags honestly.
>>77265787lol@thisOn a 400-500kcal, eating 2.2g/kgbw protein and plenty of fat daily + heavy training 4 days a week, I dont know how much it will tank my TI guess Ill see when I see my gf again, will update if my dick doesnt get hardI dont see how going down from 22 to 16% body fat is an unhealthy decision
>>77265777Whatever i look like, i cant look worse than that you genuinely have the pot belly indian look>>77265781>>77265804Enjoy spinning your wheels
>>77265818concession accepted. you'll understand what im talking about in a few years
Different metabolic rates unironically I know slim guys that eat skittles potato chips and McDonald’s all day
>>77265818>pot belly indianpost body
>>77265261Because I don't want to waste my time doing cardio like a faggot
>>77265820I'll be laughing at you in a few years, little man
>>77265828>little manpost body faggot
>>77265804you don't look fit that's for sure
>>77265831You realize your defensive attitude doesn't slap muscle on your body ?
>>77265841Ill stop wasting my time on you. You said you look better than me, you post your body and prove itElse its clear you are even more skinnyfattier than me + a faggotkys
>>77265841holy projection
>>77265261>>77265285My maintenance was around 2800 when I was ~97kg at 190cm. To strongly deviate from that you'd either have to be a tradie and on your feet for the whole day or have a health problem. Not all people have to or have time to be active for the whole day.
>>77265261Most of the time it's fatties crash dieting and wanting instant results, they'll eat 1200 calories, lose all muscle and become skinnyfat, then dirty bulk and get fat fat again. Nobody who's in good shape ever crash diets or does that kind of bsand sometimes it's just retards who have no idea how to count calories right eating 2500 and thinking it's 1700
>>77265822No you dont so
>>77265341This is why a MMA guy that fights at 155 lbs is MUCH bigger and stronger than a normie at the same weight.
>>77265261I will never understand what so many people get from blatantly lying on a 4chan thread, outside of trolling purpose of course. Straight up sad to think about.
I think my body generally adapts heavily to calories I'm taking in. I generally eat freely in the winter, which means usually a small breakfast, huge lunch and 200-300g of potato chips a night.I got up to like 87kgs after months and months of doing it.I'm now cutting at like 1300-1600 kcal a day and I'm barely seeing anything on the scale (although I'm bloated and feeling leaner but can't really see much after over a month of doing this).
>>77266210I will never understand what people get out of the solving puzzles to respond to bait with rhetorical statements. Straight up sad to think about.
>>77265341Wtf AI is making you retard hahaha
>>77266422disprove it.hehehe
>>77265313You do 1200 calories of cardio isn't that like 2 hours of running?
I'm 131lbs 5'10 and my maintenance is around 3100 just because I get 20k steps a day. It's great. Yes i know im a skeleton im on a lean bulk now
I’ve heard of 6’3” guys cutting on 1800 a day
>>77265261>I'm a 174cm manlet and I cut on 2400-2800 kcal/dayYou don't, you're just retarded and can't do math.
>>77266589About there I walk/run/skate to the gym and back which is probably half that. The workout itself, the cardio, I also usually do errands those days too so a little is probably from that. My tracker has been on the money when it comes to maintence so far.
Here's how I cut>400g lean meat>200g Milk (1.5%)>500g quark (0.1%)>30g whey proteinequals>990 calories, 166g ProteinAdd around 50 calories from raisins I have before lifting. I walk a lot and go swim 2x a week. It's rather unlikely you LARPers are 2.5x as large as me, unless of course we're counting fat and the only sixpack you've ever possessed was a beer crate. Mind, this isn't a half-year cut but ramping up for summer mogging (protip only fat kids, grannies and dudebros give a fuck). Also the rapid fat loss wrecks my ass but shorts hide that (comfy and easy to wear).
>>77265776>what did he look like prior to bulkingGod I wish I still had my beach 15-16 yo pic to show you guys. You'd laugh hard and trash me so had, but I wouldn't feel bad at all since now I have a decent body.Point being, that anon could've been just like I was, then he dirty bulked with GOMAD or some extremely high caloric fad, and now he's skinny fat with an almost-decent (almost) amount of muscle beneath that fat.If his starting point was as weak as it was mine, I can see how that poor result of his is indeed a progress, muscle-wise. He fucked up by acquiring too much fat.Pic related is the closest I found to what I looked like before I started to eat better and do calisthenics. Obviously I only lost my virginity after I left that state, and I don't really blame the girls back then for not wanting to touch me.
>>77267927*as weak as mine was
>>77267826Hahahaha imagine thinking this is even remotely believable
>>77265822They "graze" on junk food, but they're not eating it constantly. They'll eat like one or two chips every 15-20 minutes but the total amount isn't a lot.
I bulk at 1700kcal
>>77268141Maybe dont be sedentary and you'll also be able to eat more. Steps are a cheat code. Even before i standardized my stepcount and was more or less sedentary, workouts excluded, my maintainence was still like 2600-2700. I autistically track everything that enters my mouth and I was losing almost 1kg a week eating 2000-2100 calories when I did an aggro cut.
>>7726823520k steps at your height and weight burns about 650 calories. Your BMR is not 2600.
>>77267927man you literally described what happened to me (I am the anon)Did GOMAD + SS when I was 17, entered skinnyfat hell (from being skinny) and ever since I have fucked around with the gym for years on end without achieving any real progress due to being unable to be consistent for months on end. I am a lazy fuck + life got so much in the way its unreal. Feels bad.I began taking it seriously January of this year (more like Sep 2025 but even then I look back at my notebook and they didnt really progress, nor was I tracking and stuff). Id say this is the best I have ever looked unironically and specially the heaviest I have ever lifted. I cant wait to lose the fat and begin a proper bulk & path beginning this August and finally be jacked for summer '27wagmi
>>77268261Estimating calories burned from steps is widely inaccurate (your step tracker app is not tracking it correctly ever) and it's not like steps are the only thing that burns calories. There's my gym sessions, other Neat stuff, tef,...My BMR would be like 1600, but you don't just add calories burned from steps to that. Otherwise, my maintenance would be 2200 according to your logic, which is ridiculous when even inputting "sedentary" in tdee calculators puts any lazy sedentary adult male at like 2000. All the weight data I collected from 3 months of aggro cutting + data from the past 2 weeks eating 3000-3100 pretty much confirms to me that this is my maintenance. Weight hasn't budged. At worst my tracked calories could be off by a few percent or whatever (I track even a stupid tbsp of ketchup or a few berries before eating them and have been for months). Hate appealing to AI, but even ChatGPT estimates my maintenance to be around the 3000 mark, so I'm just rolling with it lol.I wouldn't bother with all the steps otherwise if they didn't push my maintenance so high desu. I'm even jealous of guys whose maintenance is 4000 or more
