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>>77267510
The way I punch, usually more guarded than checking distance with a jab. I need to be able to use both hands and have them at full power compared to a hybrid bladed stance that is used to extend the front hand for a jab. I've found that benching a ton is underwhelming, and just doing shoulders like an accessory to bench is not how to get the front delt strength I want. Apart from any shoulder press variant you'd assume I like to take cables in particular to do a lot of supinated front and across the body to really get a nasty pump on front delts alone. And my favorite barbell lift to get in more pure strength training is always making sure to do some close grip incline and slowing down the rep at the bottom so that the weight moves to the shoulders, it's hard to explain but the pump is good. The boxing stance I use is more squared so it's a lot more like specifically improving your cross/2. It's closer range however you basically have 2 power hands.

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any exercise that involves pushing i imagine

dips
push ups

>>77267525
>close grip incline AND ohp or military
Basically half of my lifting weeks are shoulders the day before bench/dips. I left out that I started doing military press for 3 rep max only 3x/wk. 1 peak set then 2 more sets. And that alone has done most of the work for making my punches feel like they are hitting twice as hard with much more weight behind it.

>>77267527
There are of course other factors, but I am most interested in the pushing.
>I do back and the opposite movement of basically every single lift I do to future proof and just to rest the push muscle if doing a similar movement
>legs/core/technique
I figure that your weak point is never gonna be legs, in fact my wrists used to break if I hit a heavier bag and stepped in fast and threw a 100% haymaker. Technique will improve strength far more when legs are in question. Core is similar but imo a thick core is going to have more potential to focus on heavily in training.

>>77267510
hold pushup position on knuckles, then on fingertips, repeat a few times before doing the bag,
do that thing that george foreman used to do on the bag.
when you do there might be something that comes weak, wrists or shoulders get tired etc
>lunge jump
>explosive pushups
thumb hand wrist and forearm exercizes
1handed kettlebell swings

>>77267510
>punching while moving
Sometimes all you can throw is just the upper body. I used to be weak when I started practicing boxing, and now that I can really control 3pl8s bench I can generate a ton more power on hooks and crosses whereas when I was weaker I had to worry about maintaining distance since at short range I was not able to generate power by the time it landed.

>>77267561
Ah you're talking about punching the bag barehanded and then your wrist folds over and "breaks." I assume so, I had strengthened my wrists by doing wrist curls reverse and supinated and also switching all legs to overhand deadlifts and deadhangs. Anyways, this is my point about front delts. Your shoulder doesn't break, but it loses its' rigidity and the ability to accelerate through. So basically the front delt is the giga weak point of a punch and if you do any amount of generalized pressing exercises then treating front delts as the main lift of your entire lifting routine should make you the hardest punched possible.

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>>77267510
Ok what if someone punches 10% harder but is just slightly slower? Does it even matter?

>>77267510
squats and power cleans
punching power comes from the legs and torso not from your chest or triceps retard

>>77267749
I'm already legpilled, I do more athletic shit like kicking the bag and box jumps and stuff. I did put on a lot of muscle though and I couldn't really tell what exactly causes my punches harder and how to optimize lifting for it.

Punching power for straights tends to benefit from
Transferring weight forward +
Rotating core (hips/shoulders) +
Stretch-shortening cycle in chest
To greater or lesser degrees depending on how you like your technique
E.g. GGG punched with a lot of chest stretch (watch his big shots in slow motion), probably why he did lots of half rep pushups and ring pushups, to target the pecs at the stretched position
Med ball throws probably train all three of these pretty well, just a shame they're quite impractical since you have to bend over and pick the ball up after every rep - maybe I'll invent a machine which is just a very heavy ball dangling from a rack that you can throw and catch lol
For lifts, being light on your feet and this able to move your weight forward rapidly is helpful, and transmitting force from feet through whole body, so I figure push press
>>77267574
This is a good point, people say "never arm punch!" except (a) sometimes in the moment that's all you have, (b) they studied amateurs and found that most of their power came from upper body not lower, and (c) you can punch pretty hard with torso alone

>>77267807
Not only is it good for a faster punch, but also it helps to send it harder in a loaded up punch. That

>>77267510
i think its more about training explosiveness than it is about training strength

>>77267510
Fucking A. I will explain this again. You lift weights to get strong. You don't do it to mimic certain movements.
Anyways not surprising the retardo who doesn't understand this, also doesn't understand the role the lower body and hips have in punching. Probably the most important muscles actually. That is where you generate most of your force. That is why hockey guys are able to wail on each other nonstop. They can't generate much actually power because they can't plant their feet.

>>77267510
Deadlift, power cleans, squats, pylometrics like depth jumps or weighted jumps, ballistic training like medicine ball throws and OHP

>>77267510
Domestic abuse

>>77267510
You should add in explosive training, you want your explosive muscle power to be high to hit fast and hard

i do cable serratus punches but probably going to stop as i dont feel them at all
also wanted to punch bag but fucking gym doesnt have a punching bag

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>>77268034
thats the goal, the question is how do you train to be able to do it

>>77268648
>the question is how do you train to be able to do it
You train by doing it. Once a year you do competetive trio of all of them to benchmark efficiency amongst peers. There are many schools, the German, Nippon, Persian etc. Just find what suits you, or become a jack of all.

>>77267510
buy a gun or carry a knife

>>77267510
Look into pullovers, particularly bent-arm and across-the-bench. They're a middling chest exercise but an amazing back and serratus exercise.
Closely related, ancient martial artists in Greece and Rome used to work out by swinging a pickaxe at the ground every single day and considered this the foundation of conditioning and punching strength. The motion is similar to the pullover in some ways and can develop the serratus as well.

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>>77267510
The power of a punch comes from the legs and torso rotation. The actual motion of a punch bears the characteristics of a whip or a throw. all that is required of the arms is conditioning of the bones, joints, and ligaments to endure the force of the punch. With a little training, a boxer can easily break their own hand/wrist throwing a punch if protective padding isn't used. Just get some gloves and do boxing drills. In the weight room, focus on increasing explosive power in the legs and hips.