>Who is /fat/ for?For dinner devourers working towards a longer life and a better physique through meaningful hard-work, strategy, and dedication. This is not QTDDTOT, stick to questions on fat loss. Post height and weight when asking for advice.Join our Fatty Contest: https://www.fattycontest.com/>What do I do first?1. Read https://physiqonomics.com/fat-loss/2. Calculate your Body Fat Percentage: https://fitness.bizcalcs.com/Calculator.asp?Calc=Body-Fat-Navy3. Calculate your TDEE: https://www.sailrabbit.com/bmr/Remember to use bodyfat% and use Katch-McArdle Formula with sedentary settings or your TDEE will be too high.4. Plan your weight loss: https://www.losertown.org/eats/cal.php5. Track your nutrition with MyFitnessPal (better for packaged food), Cronometer (better for generic food/macros), LoseIt (great for both), or Waistline (FOSS).>Now what?Count calories, all of them.Eat about 500-1000 less calories than your TDEE.Buy scales, be accurate.Learn to cook. Try to stick to lean protein and green vegetables.Eat a lot of protein. 0.72g per pound of goal lean body mass.Doing cardio, even just walking, will improve your health. There is no such thing as a healthy fat heart, but you can offset the risks.Lifting weights will keep and gain muscle mass and lose fat much quicker. Not lifting results in the body eating away muscle AND fat.Drink more water.Read the /fit/ sticky: https://liamrosen.com/fitness.html>DON'TEat refined sugars, they're terrible for you regardless of calories.Eat processed foods.Drink your calories (alcohol, soda, Starbucks).Freak out over a weight loss stall. Plateaus can last up to three weeks."Reward" yourself. Cheat days cheat only yourself.>Other resources:Loose skin, gynecomastia & stretch marks: https://weight-loss-side-effects.netlify.app/Reddit Wiki: https://www.reddit.com/r/loseit/wiki/faqhttps://f-droid.org/packages/fr.shiningcat.simplehiit/
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You may not like it, but:WAGMI
>>77447425lose it bros dont be like me
>last ate my potato meal 24 hours ago>totaled 900 calories yesterday>could only finish half my current potato meali'll be in a difficult position if the apples' fiber was the reason because i don't like the constipation it inflicts upon my gut
>>77447425>>77447426https://donmai.moe/posts?tags=pool%3A16322
>>77445472
>it's gonna take a year+fuuuuuuug
Btw. 2 months ago I either asked here or in the japan general, if loosing weight when traveling through japan is real. And today I can say it truly is. But for that you need to be an idiot like me. In those two months there were at most 5 days where I walked less than 10k steps. I sometimes just ate once a day and I walked a TON. I hesitated eating fast food and either went to conbini or ate kura sushi. I did eat fastfood: bai mc double, kfc, burgers, famichicken e.g. but japanese burgers are much smaller than the European equivalent. I probably lost close to 8-10kg and I am trying to continue now back home.
can you cystmaxx to lose weight?>inject something to cause cyst>cyst eats like 5lbs of fat space>remove and repeat
My bmr seems to be shit. Inclined to do the PSMF diet at 1068 calories eatten a day. I weightlift 4x/week. And then do treadmill incline after words. Rest days I hit the bike indoor for HITT (all cardio is capped at 30 minutes), and basically do yoga prior to it.
Chicken thigh tastes so fucking good compared to breast.I'm gonna eat thigh for a while.
>>77447646Should I reduce it down to 1068, or go for something like 1700-1900kcal?
>>77447651Heres my bod stats as well, for more info.
>>77447425>went to the movies to see spiderman>ate popcorn at theater>ate burger kind slop>still under my daily caloriesez pz
>>77447659I say go for it with the PSMF diet but go for the high protein macros and dont stop lifting. I've got 18kg to lose and I'm considering it for a few weeks just so I can see the scale moving again. It's depressing being the same weight or only 0.3kg lighter than I was 2 weeks ago
>>77447567Not if you fast
>>77447425Remember: Carbs are fattening, don't eat them!
>>77447690Is this enough, for my lean body mass? >>77447651
Sorry guys I thought I'd be more empathetic and understanding but after going from obese to healthy in half a year it boggles my mind how so many people I see out in public are so fucking fat and out of shape holy fucking shit. I barely even did anything wtf is wrong with these niggas
>>77447700I'd say so but I'm fat too so I don't really know
>>77447701>40lbs of sugar water bragger
>>77447651200g protein is alot but 1000cal is tough to exercise on. make sure to eat 30minutes before you lift
>>77447701Nigga you lost 50 pounds lmao
>>77447723Its alot for like 185lbs of fatfree mass? I’m down to put the protien to 188g. Also way ahead of you with eating before the workouts.
>>77447762If you're going low-carb, you want the extra protein because your body is going to be using some of it for energy.
>35 y.o.>160 lbs>5'8" tall>lean body mass 120 lbs>25% body fatit's over
>>77447609I remember eating as much as I could manage in Japan for the two weeks I was there and came back having lost 5 lbs lol
>>77447777Quads confirm
>>77447777when I moved to Europe my BMI dropped enough to no longer be classified as obese. I was still overweight though.
>fixes everything
>>77447646How does a scale calculate that? It has to be doing a dumb calculation from (inaccurate) body fat information, height, weight, and age right?To your post I have been doing like 800-1300 calorie psmf like diet (as I get later on in it I am a bit more lax with carbs than recommended but still well below 100 g and I had a few days break in there) since mid June and an down 20 lbs.
>>77447648try slicing the breasts thin before pan frying them
>>77447787This shit doesn't feel like real food, witch doctor creation. If I want almost 0 calories I'm eating zucchini noodles or a cucumber desu
>>77447701>wtf is wrong with these niggasfucked up hormones for one reason or another. i used to never be satisfied unless i ate 3000-4000 calories until i hopped on a high dose of Vitamin D for a month.now i am actually full at 2000 calories and can't eat any more. i'm not hungry at less than 1500 calories. dieting was torture but now it is piss easy.
>>77447773start lifting
Are summers more bearable when you're not fat
>>77447773lifting + caloric deficit and you're golden
>>77447834I've been doing caloric deficit since January and I lost 17 lbs since my peak weight this year. I feel I went a bit too extreme because now I feel discomfort in my right upper abdomen - it could be gallstones or the GERD from my H. pylori infection from a couple of years back. >>77447812>start liftingI tried that in May and I got diagnosed with acute prostate inflammation. I had to cancel my gym membership due to that. All my gains were lost because I haven't been lifting since.
>>77447802>This shit doesn't feel like real food, witch doctor creation.it was brought by the Buddhist monks from China to Japan at the time when English language didn't even exist yeat, long before zucchini was introduced to Europe from the Americas.
dinner tonight was better than the normal mcdonnies fiesta. 3 eggs, frozen spinach, 1/4 cup gourmet cheese blend, frozen onions, ground turkey, 1 cup rice with a water with that electrolyte packet stuff "peach" flavored. I actually feel full as a triple fatass lardo 5'11 - 264lbs. My sin today though was a large cold brew coffee in the morning.
>>77447861>h pylori, gallstones, prostate inflammationHypochondriac or weak constitution, pick one
>>77447919I'm a hypochondriac, true. But you become one after the doctor tells you you might have stage 4 prostate cancer at 35.
>>77447695
just started dieting this week. meal prepping tonight, I don't have a scale so this is how much ground beef 80/20 I am eating, got potatoes in the oven.
>>77447940Ok vegan.
5 day fast will be over in the morning. Gonna fucking feast
>>77447940Ketoschizo is fucking stupid but this is a retarded comparison as well. 100g kidney beans like in the photo has 8 grams protein, not 22, massive difference That meat probably doesn't have 22 either but you could find a cut of beef that does for 100g easily I suppose.
>>77447972It's clearly written "100 g" and data is related to it, the image seems to be just for illustrative purpose.Don't be an aspie.
>>77447963Food scale and bodyweight scale are like the cheapest investments you need for your health if you are dieting desu, you should get oneI guess I'd estimate that's like 120-150g ground beef in each one though. Or just note the raw weight of the beef before cooking and divide it by servings, that's easy
>>77447972>arguing with a vegan
>>77447980OK then find me a bean that has 22g protein per 100 gramsEdamame is the one of the only ones that reaches the 10 calories:1g protein ratio, which that beef would double, and any chicken would more than double
>>77447970ok goy cattle. I prefer not to overpay on my protein, while your ass keep bitching about inflation.
>>77447983Bro... I was arguing beans are not comparable to meat in terms of protein per calorie, doesn't seem very vegan to me.
>>77447991My reading comprehension is fucking poor
>>77447987>OK then find me a bean that has 22g protein per 100 gramsPretty much all beans will have 18 - 22 g of protein while raw and 4,5 - 6 g of protein when cooked.
>>77447987>OK then find me a bean that has 22g protein per 100 gramshttps://www.recipal.com/ingredients/9933-nutrition-facts-calories-protein-carbs-fat-organic-black-beans-dry
>>77447997Anon, if you're American can you tell if the serving sizes have been standardized or if each company can choose the their "serving size" on the label?
>>77447997>dies eating raw beansWhat is the purpose of the comparison if it's just raw to raw? You don't eat them in raw form regardless (nor meat for that matter if you are sane)
>>77448006>You don't eat them in raw form regardlesstime you learn to cook, anon
>>77448006>What is the purpose of the comparison if it's just raw to raw? You don't eat them in raw form regardless (nor meat for that matter if you are sane)Now this is some high level autism, and not of the good kind. Don't you cook your own food?
>>77447970>Ok vegan.ok goy
>>77447983>If you also eat beans, you are a veganDoes keto damages the brain?
>>77448015Don't try to understand keto logic. They just do the opposite of everything vegans do. The easiest way to control a ketolard is just tell them that vegans don't jump off a bridge and they'll start jumping off a bridge.
>>77447811Same here, all it took me a bit of sunlight and vitamin D.>>77448018Seeing it as contrarianism makes a lot of sense.
brehs…I’m never gonna make it
>>77448036You eat too much, you get fat. It's not rocket science.
>>77448036that's way too many calories. Post age, weight and height.
>>77448036Eating a little everyday to lose weight is a joke. Start fasting
Fatty ContestBagOMilk183.2lbs
>>77448036that's just TDEE for you, right? it's no biggie.don't listen to that retard. it's 99% hormones and 1% slop. just quit the slop and find out what element is missing from your body.naturally thin people physically cannot consume more than what their body requires.no naturally thin person weighs their food or even keeps track mentally of what they've eaten.they just eat until they're full and their bodies regulate the rest automatically by hunger and satiety hormones.
>>77448054>Eating a little everyday to lose weight is a joke.Learning to eat healthily and with moderation is the best way to lose weight. Slow and steady.
>>77448062While some people are fat because they have issues with hormones, most people just lack selfcontrol, after burning bad habits in their brains for decades.
>>77448036>>77448062i posted before i finishedthis is me >>77447811 start with testing your Vitamin D levels since fatties have low Vitamin D.
>>77448065[citation needed]most the fat people i know always complain about being hungry and never feeling satiated unless they ate a lot. exactly what was happening to me.
fastingfags need to get their own thread
>>77448070>most the fat people i know always complain about being hungry and never feeling satiated unless they ate a lot.I also had some hormonal issues, and lost a lot of weight after fixing it. Then I started to preach it to everyone, and it turned out that most people just have really bad habits.
Hunger is good, actually.>>77448054In some studies I saw eating little every day burned more fat than fasting with a feed day, so who knows. I prefer the changing of daily habits towards healthier modes of living that caloric restriction brings
>>77448071No we're colonizing this bitch
>>77448062>no naturally thin person weighs their food or even keeps track mentally of what they've eaten.America is the exception for this. There is no such thing as a naturally thin person in America, you are either an athlete and/or track what you eat
>>77448074again, naturally thin people physically cannot overstuff themselves. hormones are not just thyroid stuff. satiety and hunger are also controlled by hormones.GLP-1, leptin, ghrelin, and all the rest.look at what injecting GLP-1 is doing to people. they suddenly don't crave food anymore.that's just one hormone. it doesn't work for everyone because they might have something else that is fucked up but the human knowledge is yet to catch up.
>>77448054Fasting didn't work for me long-term, though it waa fun to experiment with at first
Might as well ask, besides the diet, are you doing the following:>Getting enough sleep at night>Exercising after meals>Getting sunlight>Doing 8k steps
How do I fix leptin resistance?
>>77448084isn't it just the slop in the US?the corn syrup shoved into everything?
>>77448085Repeating something will not magically make it true.While I greatly recommend everyone to check their hormones to check hormones and fix anything that is off. Almost all fat people will still have to stop eating like shit to lose weight.
>>77448091>How do I fix leptin resistance?By losing weight and making your body less inflamed. Kinda funny you need to stop being fat to fix this.
>>77448087don't be an idiot. Extensive periods of zero or very low calorie consumption cause liver to eject cholesterol, which leads to the formation of gallstones. You don't want that shit. Instead of fasting, just lower your calorie intake reasonably and take it slowly.
>>77448093>naturally thin people that don't need to track what they eat don't existanon...
>>77448094Lol, reminds me of>Want to stop being homeless? Just buy a houseBut it really is the only way.
>>77448100People with good habits do exist, don't be silly. Just don't pretend that bad habits are actually secret issues with hormones, fatso.
>>77448103You can willpower your way to lose weight, once you get there maintenance will become easier.
>>77448105bad habits is slop eating. if one is still fat after quitting slop, it IS hormones.
How different do you get treated when skinny compared to when fat?
>>77448049Im 5’10 155lbs. I was 190 last winter but went down to 145 eating like 1300cals a day and walking 10k steps. Ended up skinnyfat cause I had 0 muscle so started lifting. Still skinnyfat 6 months later so trying to recomp near maintenance.
>>77448115Bad habits include eating slop, but it also includes eating fat too much and eating to cope with stress or sadness for example.
>>77448098Chatting shit
>>77448108If retarded teenage girls can get dangerously underweight for pinterest collages I can get to a healthy weight for my health
>>77448129He's not wrong, extensive periods of zero or very low calorie consumption then binge eating can be a neat trick if you lack willpower, but it's not a healthy practice on long term. It's not as bad as extreme diets, but if you can it properly, you should.
>>77448131Sure you can, make sure to tell us your progress, anon.
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC4916345>Ad libitum access to food that is low in protein and high in carbohydrates also increases lifespan, and the optimum ratio of dietary protein to carbohydrate—in a range of animals—matches the ratio that we see in the traditional Okinawan diet. >It is noteworthy that the main source of carbohydrate in the traditional Okinawan diet was the anti-oxidant-rich, nutrient-dense sweet potato that was low in both calories and glycaemic loadhttps://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/24462788/>The traditional diet in Okinawa is anchored by root vegetables (principally sweet potatoes), green and yellow vegetables, basedbean-based foods, and medicinal plants.sucks to be a ketolard rn
>>77448175This study is incredibly niche and doesn't show anything other than the Okinawan diet being better than the average diet.
>>77448177it is only somewhat better than the average Japanese diet mainly because Okinawans substitute some white rice with a bit of sweet potato. It's still way ahead of the "average" amerilard diet which is primarily made of fried heart attack and smoked cancer, with a gallon of stroke.
>>77448181>It's still way ahead of the "average" amerilard dietI can't think of many diets worse than the average American diet, even extreme stuff should be an improvement.
>300 calories under my daily limit>but 40g of protein under my goalshould I have that greek yogurt with protein powder bowl, bros?
>>77448036one scoop of peanut butter becomes 20 so easily..
it's official: if you eat meat, you're black.
>>77448225don't you get tired of this same false flag every single time?
>>77447832imo this summer has been more manageable being lighter, yestill hot af tho>>77448192that sounds good yethat or some grilled chicken breast would be nice
>>77448229not a false flag, ketolard/CICOn*****you wish it were so you could ignore all my arguments and keep believing meat and eggs are healthy tho
>>77448237dude, i know keto damages the brain on long term, but at least try to not cry about CICO for no reason,
>>77448225>it's official: if you eat meat, you're black.Confirmed. Only subhumans eat meat.>Lebensreform>There were hundreds of groups across Germany dedicated to some or all of the concepts associated with the Lebensreform movement. Representatives of the Lebensreform propagated a natural way of life with ecology and organic farming, a vegetarian diet without alcoholic beverages and tobacco smoking, German dress reform, and naturopathy. In doing so, they reacted to what they saw as the negative consequences of social changes in the 19th century.>Spiritually, the Lebensreform turned to new religious and spiritual views, including theosophy, Mazdaznan, and yoga. Many late neo-romanticism elements were also taken up, along with a glorification of the "simple life in the country". Dozens of magazines, journals, books, and pamphlets were published on these topics. The Lebensreform movement encompassed a wide spectrum of ideological affiliations. While some groups were rooted in socialist ideals, others maintained an apolitical stance, and several adopted right-wing or nationalist perspectives.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lebensreform
>>77448237Holy shit, please shut the fuck up. You want to be a vegan or whatever, fine.Attempt to cease being such an annoying asshole though.
>>77448192I look forward to my yogurt bowl everyday, shit tastes like dessert. I just use 2 servings of nonfat, a scoop of powder, frozen blueberries and sometimes a banana. Ends up being like 400cals and 50g protein
>>77448240CICOn******s don't understand calorie absorbtion. They unironically think 100 calories of soda is just as fattening as 100 calories of carrots.
>>77448245It's ketoschizo trying to larp as a vegan strawman.
>>77448247If reality makes you this upset, then you should seek some help.
>>77448251So, CICOnigger, you admit you think a calorie of corn syrup = a calorie of broccoli?>>77448250Wrong
>>77448250I honestly don't know why people don't just ignore him outright. Anything too caricature like and over the top always feels cheesy and obvious as hell to me.
>>7744825517 hours a day, 7 days a week, for the past 5 to 10 years... it never changes.
>>77448258>I honestly don't know why people don't just ignore him outright.It already became background noise to me, but it's quite entertaining to poke him sometimes and it has been fun to watch his mental health deteriorate in these last year.
>>77448259>>77448258this is how you cope with being told scientific truths? Pretend I'm just pretending to disagree with you?>Those randomized to eat vegetarian had a greater improvement in quality of life and mood. They felt less constrained, meaning the calorie restriction didn’t seem as burdensome; they had less disinhibition, meaning less tendency to binge and overeat, along with maybe less feelings of hunger. Not to mention the superior effects of a vegetarian diet on body weight, glycemic control, blood lipids, insulin sensitivity, and oxidative stress.>Wait, better body weight? I thought they were given the same number of calories. Yes, both diets were isocaloric, the same calories. Yet, just eating meat-free led to significantly more weight loss—about six pounds more; more waist loss, a slimmer waist; lower cholesterol, of course; and less superficial fat, meaning the external jiggly fat; and most importantly, significantly more visceral fat loss––the most metabolically dangerous deep belly fat. Same calories, yet more loss of body fat. And not surprisingly, better control of their diabetes. All in addition to leading more effectively to improvements in physical fitness.
>wow, look at the time! it's already time to educate ketolards and CICOn******s again?
>>77448225I am become king of niggers in that case
>>77448298I hereby proclaim you meat-eater, the blackest gorilla in the jungle.
CICO is the only thing that works. I've tried all the diets over 5 years. Feel sad for any anon that gets dragged into keto/vegan/fasting/whatever, just CICO and chill and use Tirzepatide if you really can't hack it (though you should be able to get at least partway there natty)
>>77448301you know the irony of course is that gorillas are less black than blacks because they eat exclusively fruit and vegetables.
>>77448302This anon gets it, all the weirdos with their wacky cult diets only damage your health and makes you lose time.
>>77448302>In a trial conducted at AdventHealth, people following a fiber-rich, whole-foods diet absorbed an average of 116 fewer calories each day as compared to a diet that was low in fiber -- even though they consumed the same amount of calories on both diets. That's because some of the energy fed their gut microbes and was excreted rather than stored.>A review of simple thermodynamic principles shows that weight change on isocaloric diets is not expected to be independent of path (metabolism of macronutrients) and indeed such a general principle would be a violation of the second law. >Dietary fiber is largely indigestible, meaning it does not provide the standard 4 calories per gram associated with other carbohydrates. Instead, its impact on calorie absorption varies by type: insoluble fiber contributes 0 calories as it passes through the digestive tract unchanged, while soluble fiber is fermented by gut bacteria into short-chain fatty acids, providing approximately 2 calories per gram.
>>77448301sheeeit
>>77448302>>77448311>With whole-food, plant-based eating, there may be no need for portion control or counting calories because most plant foods are naturally nutrient dense and low in calories. Moreover, calorie for calorie, those eating plant-based appear to get higher intakes of fiber, calcium, magnesium, iron, potassium, and A, C, E, and B vitamins.>EPIC-PANACEA, the largest study ever to investigate eating meat and body weight, found meat consumption was associated with significant weight gain even after adjusting for calories, meaning if two people ate the same number of calories, the person eating more meat might, on average, gain significantly more weight.
>>77447567If you give up now, in a year's time you'll be all>i could've been done by now>fuuuuuuuuuuuuuugJust get it over with. You can do it.
>When we eat thylakoids––when we bite into a leaf of spinach, for instance––those green leaf membranes don’t immediately get digested. They can last for hours in our intestines, and that’s when they work their magic. Thylakoid membranes bind to lipase. Lipase is the enzyme our body uses to digest fat; so, if you bind the enzyme, you can slow fat absorption. It’s like a natural version of the fat-blocking drug orlistat, but without the anal leakage. This is because the effects of the thylakoids are temporary. Unlike the drug, the thylakoids do finally break down eventually, freeing the lipase enzyme to do its job before fat comes spilling out your other end. Ultimately, fat absorption is not so much blocked by thylakoids as it is delayed.>If all the fat is eventually absorbed, what’s the benefit? Location, location, location. There’s a phenomenon known as the ileal brake. The ileum is the last part of the small intestine before it empties into your colon. When undigested calories are detected that far down in our intestines, our body thinks we must be full from stem to stern, and puts the brakes on eating more by dialing down our appetite. This can be shown experimentally. If you insert a nine-foot tube down people’s throats and drip in any calories—fat, protein, or sugar—you can activate the ileal brake. Then, sit them down to an all-you-can-eat meal, and compared to the placebo group who had just gotten a squirt of water through the tube, they eat over 100 calories less. You just don’t feel as hungry. You feel just as full, eating significantly less. That’s the ileal brake in action.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x3cTcBSYAaQ
>>77448324>w*menew
>>77447995wtf who eats raw beans
>>77448333someone who can cook them so they don't become raw?
>>77448333>Be me>American anon>Incapable of cooking my own meals>"wtf who eats raw beans">I'm so clever>Someday I decide to betray the glorious US and cook my own food>Want to eat 40 g of protein>Buy 200 g of raw beans and cook? No thanks. >Calculate how much cooked beans I'll need>650 g>Convert it to mutt units, 1 3/8 pounds>Go to supermarket>Ask clerk how much raw beans I need to get 1 3/8 pound of cooked beans>Tip>Still can't cook
>>77448338>>77448341yeah except they lose like 16g of protein so you dont eat 40 but instead like 10g of protein
>>77448350>yeah except they lose like 16g of proteinImagine preaching a diet so shitty you need to outright lie so it can sound not so bad.
>>77448350>yeah except they lose like 16g of protein.... how the hell do you "lose" 16 g of protein? When you cook beans, water is added so 100 g can easily turn into 400 g. You still get the same amount of nutrients if you eat all of it. Sure, you don't have to do it all at the same time, but what's wrong with you? Do you really believe what you're typing or are you just trolling me?
>>77448342I actually used to live in a rural area and saw how chickens are slaughtered. It's incredibly messy and it's even messier with larger animals. The worst is cows or horses - those are incredibly difficult to deal with. I can imagine seeing those animals slaughtered even using non-factory methods to be traumatizing. However, I think chicken are definitely the worst in terms of inhumane treatment. Factory farming should be abolished. "Cheap food" is the reason /fat/ exists. Food shouldn't be cheap. We'd have fewer useless eaters in this world if more people appreciated what they put into their mouths.
>>77448350It has been quite some since I read something this dumb.
>>77448350>>77448351murdervore intellectuals, everyone
>>77448262I agree on the background noise. I just feel disappointed when the thread ends up filled with 65% shitposts and regular poster's comments get drowned out.>>77448302It's just the normal way of eating. Any normal person does this naturally. It's just abnormal food relationship anons getting back to having a normal interaction with food. Also this bear has been through it.>>77448332You can always make a version with whatever kind of man you're attracted to too anon. Or even yourself if you feel most validated and proud by being able to praise yourself honestly for your hard work.
>>77448365vitamin B12, vitamin D, calcium, iron, iodine, zinc, omega-3 fatty acids, lysine and leucine are important for a healthy human body.
>>77447767Understandable, I will keep it to 202 grams of protein! >>77447792I’m guessing it shoots out from the foot up, and back down again to check the bodyfat and whatnot. It possibly takes it from those measurements to estimate it. Granted, considering I’ve been eating 2400 to 2700kcal last month, and the scale has not changed up much, until I gotten onto psfm, I’m inclined to believe that is my bmr.
>>77448390
>>77448391>40,8% body fatThis is deep on "losing lifespan" territory. You should consider being a bit harsher on your efforts.
>>77448385wow, too bad there are no ways of getting any of those without murdering an innocent, weak, conscious being! sorry fido, daddy's gotta get his special nutrients! *bang*
>>77448385>B12produced by bacteria in lab vats and all dairy and meat is fortified with it, as well as all plant-based alterantives.>Vitamin D>IodineBoth occur naturally in kelp. >Iron Present in leafy greens and legumes>ZincCashews.>CalciumLeafy greens, chia seeds, almonds.>Omega 3 fatty acidslinseeds, chia seeds>lysinebasedbeans, beans, peas>leucine basedbeans, peanuts
>>77448390>I will keep it to 202 grams of protein!unless you're lifting weights you're poisoning yourself.
>>77448398>>77448400If only we could stop pretending that having trace amounts of something is the same of having it in any real sense... how many kilos of leafy greens to get enough creatine or calcium?But one does not preach extreme diets with honesty.
>>77448400>>Iron >Present in leafy greens and legumesIn the same sense gold is present in sea water.
>>77448406wow yeah, you'll totally get iron deficiency otherwise. Better eat a shitton of haemic iron present in red meat that will give you cancer.
>>77448409some degree of iron deficiency is standard among vegans, and quite common among vegetarians. I get some people are willing to sacrifice their health for what they believe is right, this is worth of respect. Just don't sugar the pill with little lies.
>>77448403>Evidence of clinically meaningful differences in growth or biochemical measures of nutrition for children with vegetarian diet was not found. However, vegetarian diet was associated with higher odds of underweight.Vegans have the longest life expectanciesIf you weren't full of shit, they would have shorter life expectancies on account of nutrient deficiencies.
>>77448415>some degree of iron deficiency is standard among vegans, and quite common among vegetarians.Cool. By being vegan I have to make sure I eat sufficient non-animal sources of iron, and perhaps even supplement it. You cannot supplement or diet your way out of colon cancer caused by consuming red meat - other than limiting or eliminating it altogether.
>dude you don't understand I NEED to murder innocent conscious animals for uhh... health reasons...
>>77448417>Vegans have the longest life expectancies>If you weren't full of shit, they would have shorter life expectancies on account of nutrient deficiencies.Now this is very dishonest, you know it's impossible to measure life expectancy of a lifestyle that is somehow recent. What we have are estimates and guesses, where vegans who live an otherwise healthy lifestyle may live more than the average normie, but still live less than a person following a proper diet and also following an otherwise healthy lifestyle.
>>77448421the same people oppose growing lab meat as an alterantive, because that would mean that animal farms and meat factorires would go bankrupt. Can't let Mr. Shekelstein's meat factories go bankrupt, can we? And if all animal farmers go broke, who'll pay for their farm mortgages going to The J. P. Schlomo's Bank?
>>77448393Exactly, I’m willing to do it big diet restrictions at 24 years old. I am at 39.8, so its. A percentage down technically. But it sucks that it wasnt more bodyweight from going 315/318 to 308. I am happy as hell to not be 310+, since doing psmf, but still. >>77448402I am! Been lifting consistently since June. I do ULUL, now 11 workouts for each (some super-setted, like leg press and calf raises on the leg press for example) https://hevy.com/user/latchnoonUPPER: https://hevy.com/routine/sgH3Lxlq2NkLOWER: https://hevy.com/routine/x14x4juIUqD
>>77448420>By being vegan I have to make sure I eat sufficient non-animal sources of iron, and perhaps even supplement it.It's not a perhaps, veganism is a quite unhealthy diet that will require supplementation of many nutrients, unfortunately not all nutrients can be supplemented while on this diet. >You cannot supplement or diet your way out of colon cancer caused by consuming red meat - other than limiting or eliminating it altogether.I don't think there's a supplement for imaginary risks made up by people preaching cult diets, but ignoring the false claims is incredibly effective.
>>77448422>Now this is very dishonest, you know it's impossible to measure life expectancy of a lifestyle that is somehow recent.Japan had a meat ban from 675 AD till the Meiji era. They have started eating animal meat and dairy just recently. 19th century travellers noted that the Japanese were repulsed by animal milk. The only exception was fish, meaning that was their only animal food, and even so - this didn't apply to the Buddhist monks who shunned fish as well. For Buddhist monks in Japan it was a norm to live till their 70s even in the absence of modern medicine as early as the 12th century.
>>77448422>What we have are estimates and guesses, where vegans who live an otherwise healthy lifestyle may live more than the average normie, but still live less than a person following a proper diet and also following an otherwise healthy lifestyle.That's incorrect.>Early findings from the Adventist Health Study-2 indicate that vegetarian diets can extend life expectancy, with vegetarian men living to an average of 83.3 years and vegetarian women living to 85.7 years, which is 6.1 years longer than nonvegetarian women. >Compared to the general population, California Seventh-day Adventists have higher life expectancies at age 30 than other white Californians by 7.28 years for men and 4.42 years for women, potentially representing the highest life expectancy of any formally described natural population. >Lifestyle factors such as vegetarianism, regular physical activity, and the avoidance of tobacco and alcohol are key drivers of this longevity, with healthy lifestyle combinations accounting for differences of up to 10 years in life expectancy among participants. Even among the healthiest population in the scientific literature, who have been practicing meat avoidance as a religious principle since whenever their cult was founded, vegetarians have higher life expectancies.
>>77448426>veganism is a quite unhealthy diet that will require supplementation of many nutrients,All meat, dairy and grains, which are commonly consumed in the West are fortified. They've been adding iron and iodine to bread for decades.>I don't think there's a supplement for imaginary risks made up by people preaching cult dietsThere is an established mechanism of hemic iron causing DNA damage in the colon which contributes to the risk of getting colorectal cancer.
>>77448428>Japan had a meat ban from 675 AD till the Meiji era.Tenmu's ban on meat didn't include seafood, fish, honey, milk or wild game. A diet on fish and game meat is quite health, but this is not what you preach, is it? Do you guys really need to be this dishonest and pretend it was "muh vegan"?
>>77448429Also, I know it hinders the preaching to post the source and show it's some wacky vegan "study", but you should do it.
>>77448426>veganism is a quite unhealthy dietRETARD ALERT RETARD ALERT DING DING DING DING DING>The American Academy of Pediatrics (AAP) and the Academy of Nutrition and Dietetics state that appropriately planned vegetarian and vegan diets are safe and nutritionally adequate for all life stages, including infancy, childhood, and adolescence.
>>77448430>There is an established mechanism of hemic iron causing DNA damage in the colon which contributes to the risk of getting colorectal cancer.I'm sure there's such a thing inside your head, but I'm more worried about reality.
>>77448433Nothing better to show that a diet is healthy than some diet-cult preacher copy pasting AI hallucinations.Veganism is a quite unhealthy diet, it lacks many nutrients the human body needs, and it's religious rules prevent supplements for some of these from being taken.
>>77448431>Tenmu's ban on meat didn't include seafood, fish, honey, milk or wild game. A diet on fish and game meat is quite health, but this is not what you preach, is it?The Japanese did not eat game meat, except for a tiny minority who were considered outcasts - the Burakumin - because they dealt with the flesh. Moreover, they didn't cook their meat but ate it raw, which isn't what you preach either, or do you?Japanese traditionally do not eat dairy - not even fermented cheese. They've spent more time eating plant-based alternatives like tofu than actual dairy. Honey was mostly consumed (if at all) from wild sources and apiculture wasn't developed until the Meiji era.
>>77448430You guys lie too much, if this crappy diet was any good, you'd not need to make up stuff trying to scare people into following it.
>>77448437>The Japanese did not eat game meat, except for a tiny minority who were considered outcasts - the Burakumin - because they dealt with the flesh.>Moreover, they didn't cook their meat but ate it raw, which isn't what you preach either, or do you?Why are you outright lying? I get, you want to preach your shitty diet, but this is no excuse to lie.But I agree, while veganism is very unhealthy, a diet of fish, eggs, milk and honey can be healthy!
>>77448434>I'm sure there's such a thing inside your head, but I'm more worried about reality.Haemic iron is a mutagen that damages DNA thus accelerating mutation and selection of robust cells that withstand the damage and begin accelerating growth across the tissues.This was known for over a decade. See:https://aacrjournals.org/cancerres/article/63/10/2358/509965/Haem-not-Protein-or-Inorganic-Iron-Is-Responsibleandhttps://oro.open.ac.uk/1194/
>>77448432You could have googled it, but you're afraid of being proven wrong. Anyway I'd like you to produce a single shred of evidence that people eating vegan have worse health outcomes than people who eat meat.https://adventisthealthstudy.org/studies/AHS-2
>>77448442Japs ate fish a lot during that period and the food they ate was a lot more nourishing, aka not land was richer in minerals and not industrially cultivated as it is today. You don't get nearly the same nutriends they did with same diet, just a lot easier.
>>77448445Here's a tip, read the Abstract before copy pasting it and hoping it'll work as an argument, then you'll not miss stuff like:>levels of NOC on a high (420 grams) red meat diet were significantly greater (P = 0.001) than on a low (60 grams) meat diet but not significantly greater when an equivalent amount of vegetable protein was fed.Saying the opposite of your claim.
>>77448447>You could have googled itIsn't it funny, I ask the dishonest preacher and he tells me google it.Seriously, why cult-like diets like keto and vegan require so much lying?
>>77448452I provided the link, you illiterate mongoloid, and you still complain and fail to produce any evidence.
>>77448450A diet where we eat a lot of fish, eggs, milk and game as a replacement for chicken, cow and pork can be healthy.The problem is these dishonest fucks trying to pretend a diet of fish, eggs, milk and game is an example of their weird vegan crap.
>>77448451>an equivalent amount of vegetable protein was fed. >Saying the opposite of your claim.Right, so you're saying that I'm wrong for saying that red meat causes cancer just because a tinier amount of red meat has the same risk as the equivalent of vegetable protein? Where does it deny the fact that haemic iron present in meat causes colorectal cancer?
All diets are a memeEffect size matters
Where are the ducks
>>77448453I know that a lack of creatine for many years will damage the brain, but it's something else to see it happening for real.If you're going to post a source, post where the data is, instead of a page saying "a study was made with Adventists", without any results shown on the page.
>>77448456If you say that "meat causes cancer" and post a study saying "no, a lower amount of red meat is the same of getting protein from vegetables" to support, then yes, you're wrong and you're willfully lying.I really want to know why veganism and lying are always tied.
>>77448458On next bread.
>>77448458i like ducks
>>77448460https://adventisthealthstudy.org/researchers/scientific-publications/adventist-health-study-2-publication-databaseThere are literally 431 studies using the adventist-2 dataset. Here's one of themhttps://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/journal-of-nutritional-science/article/association-between-vegetarian-diets-and-cardiovascular-risk-factors-in-nonhispanic-white-participants-of-the-adventist-health-study2/D67DF4359BD4354447B5CF1DE91DB662Pretending or actually being scientifically illiterate doesn't help your case. I'd like to note also that you've presented exactly 0 evidence veganism is "bad for your health", either observational or intervention.>Isocaloric substitution of total plant-based proteins for total and all specific animal-based protein food groups were associated with lower BMI (β: −0.30; 95% CI: −0.38, −0.22), waist circumference (β: −0.85; 95% CI: −1.04, −0.66), and LDL cholesterol concentrations (β: −0.06; 95% CI: −0.08, −0.05) (P < 0.0056). Replacement of processed meat and processed seafood proteins with total plant-based proteins was associated with improvement in most CVD risk factors and predicted 10-y CVD risk. Replacement of oily fish with legume proteins was associated with lower HDL cholesterol and higher TG concentrations.https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S002231662335497X
>>77448471>>Isocaloric substitution of total plant-based proteins for total and all specific animal-based protein food groups were associated with lower BMI (β: −0.30; 95% CI: −0.38, −0.22), waist circumference (β: −0.85; 95% CI: −1.04, −0.66), and LDL cholesterol concentrations (β: −0.06; 95% CI: −0.08, −0.05) (P < 0.0056). Replacement of processed meat and processed seafood proteins with total plant-based proteins was associated with improvement in most CVD risk factors and predicted 10-y CVD risk. Replacement of oily fish with legume proteins was associated with lower HDL cholesterol and higher TG concentrations.So a study showing that a diet without animal protein makes people lose some weight. I mean, do we really need a study to know that being malnourished leads to weight loss?
i wouldn't want to join a religion that restricts my dietdon't wanna get into heaven that way
>It has been shown that it is possible to modify macronutrient oxidation, physical fitness and resting energy expenditure (REE) by changes in diet composition. Furthermore, mitochondrial oxidation can be significantly increased by a diet with a low glycemic index. The purpose of our trial was to compare the effects of a vegetarian (V) and conventional diet (C) with the same caloric restriction (-500 kcal/day) on physical fitness and REE after 12 weeks of diet plus aerobic exercise in 74 patients with type 2 diabetes (T2D). An open, parallel, randomized study design was used. All meals were provided for the whole study duration. An individualized exercise program was prescribed to the participants and was conducted under supervision. Physical fitness was measured by spiroergometry and indirect calorimetry was performed at the start and after 12 weeks Repeated-measures ANOVA (Analysis of variance) models with between-subject (group) and within-subject (time) factors and interactions were used for evaluation of the relationships between continuous variables and factors. Maximal oxygen consumption (VO2max) increased by 12% in vegetarian group (V) (F = 13.1, p < 0.001, partial η2 = 0.171), whereas no significant change was observed in C (F = 0.7, p = 0.667; group × time F = 9.3, p = 0.004, partial η2 = 0.209). Maximal performance (Watt max) increased by 21% in V (F = 8.3, p < 0.001, partial η2 = 0.192), whereas it did not change in C (F = 1.0, p = 0.334; group × time F = 4.2, p = 0.048, partial η2 = 0.116). Our results indicate that V leads more effectively to improvement in physical fitness than C after aerobic exercise program.https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/27792174/>>77448473is cannibalism forbidden in your fake religion?
>>77448473Any cult that says you'll go to hell for eating meat is unworthy of being called a religion, at beat it's a wacky cult.
>>77448472Nta but>isocaloricYou are retarded
>>77448472>So a study showing that a diet without animal protein makes people lose some weight. I mean, do we really need a study to know that being malnourished leads to weight loss?could you be any more bad faith? you're giving ketolards and murdervores a bad name. You've still produced 0 evidence that veganism is unhealthy and failed to address the evidence that it is healthy.
>>77448474>Let's pretend that vegetarian (with animal protein) is the same of veganThis dishonest fucker who thinks posting a wall of text will hide what he's doing.
>>77448477>could you be any more bad faith?So the cult guys not only lie, but also project? Kek. You guys really need to learn to be honest, before you try to preach your cult.>You've still produced 0 evidence that veganism is unhealthy and failed to address the evidence that it is healthy.Repeating a lie many times doesn't make it truth. Not matter how many times you try to do it.
>>77448480...by implication, you accept this is valid evidence that vegetarian diets lead to more weight loss and better health markers, but cutting out butter and milk and eggs would reverse the effect? kek
>>77448486>but cutting out butter and milk and eggs would reverse the effect?A lack of nutrients essential to the human body will lead to "worse health markers", or to use a better word, it'll make you malnourished.There's a reason why a vegetarian diet, ideally one with fish like the Japanese one you're using an example, can be healthy. While veganism is unhealthy cult-stuff that leads to malnourished and eventually sequelae.
Rangeban ketotranny and his chaser
>>77448488>There's a reason why a vegetarian diet, ideally one with fish like the Japanese one you're using an example, can be healthyim not the guy who was talking about japs, retarded schizo> While veganism is unhealthy cult-stuff that leads to malnourished and eventually sequelae....they have the longest life spans and best health and lowest incidence of disease in every known observational study including the adventist-2 dataset which you continue to pretend doesn't exist. Vegans have longer lifespans and better health than vegetarians.
>>77448488>While veganism is unhealthy cult-stuff that leads to malnourished and eventually sequelae.[citation needed] [you won't provide one because you're bad faith and scientifically illiterate]
>>77448492>...they have the longest life spans and best health and lowest incidence of disease in every known observational study including the adventist-2 dataset which you continue to pretend doesn't exist.Again trying to make up claims about life span about a fad diet that is not been around for enough time for life span to be properly studied? Do you think that repeating the same crap that has been shown to be crap a few minutes ago will do any good for your cult preaching?
>>77448493Now this is what it all boils down to, getting upset and crying "no, this cannot be real" together with a nice pile of name calling.I think it was possible to see that the vegan tards who come to random threads to preach their cult are dishonest, and will make all sort of fancy little lies to get new converts.
>>77448494There were 2276 cardiovascular deaths during a mean follow-up time of 9.4years. The HRs for cardiovascular mortality were 1.61 [98.75% confidence interval (CI), 1.12 2.32; P-trend<0.001] for the ‘Meat’ protein factor and 0.60 (98.75% CI, 0.42 0.86; P-trend<0.001) for the ‘Nuts & Seeds’ protein factor (highest vs lowest quintile of factor scores). No significant associations were found for the ‘Grains’, ‘Processed Foods’ and ‘Legumes, Fruits & Vegetables’ protein factors. Additional adjustments for the participants’ vegetarian dietary pattern and nutrients related to cardiovascular disease outcomes did not change the results.https://academic.oup.com/ije/article/47/5/1603/4924399lol so it hasn't been around long enough for anyone to make any claims about it, including you? and no, you didn't show it to be crap, you just completely ignored it.
>>77448497[still no citation for any of your claims whilst I've provided several debunking them] [all you can do is namecall]
Pretty sad to see what a brain damaged by a lack of nutrients will become.I'm surprised a cult that physically damages the brain of its members has not been banned yet.
>>77448506>>77448493>[citation needed] [you won't provide one because you're bad faith and scientifically illiterate]>[still no citation for any of your claims whilst I've provided several debunking them] [all you can do is namecall]
>>77448512What's even the point of making up weird insults for people who eat healthy, good and normal diets? Is it to make cult members feel like they are better than outsiders?
>>77448512Every single time you posted a source, someone pointed out how you were wrong and/or dishonest. Do you think that flooding the thread until people get tired will make you right?
A diet that turns people into this breed of fucker cannot be any good.
Had to lower the calories to 1400 a day
>>77448546Why you had to do this?
>>77448548Only lost 0.5 kgs compared to last week eating 1500 a day
>>77448552Slow and steady win the race, losing weight is more about learning new habits and making them a permanent part of who you are.Also, unless you're really fat, losing 0.5 kg in a week is not bad, that's 24 kg a year.
>>77448546>>77448552Every kilogram of fat is about 7000 - 7700, by eating 1400 calories a day instead of 1500 you'll lose 1 extra kg every two and half month, more or less... keep steady at 1500.
meattards dont understand science or morality.
>>77448569There's nothing moral about pretending a cult-like diet makes you better, if anything it's the contrary.
>>77448557I always find that stat interesting, when the kg of fat is partially water how does that equate to a kg of butter or insert whatever fat. Has to be less than that right
>>77448571Both human fat and butter are around 80% fat and 20% water... ghee butter (butter without water) is around 9000 calories per kg.
>>77448570is torturing, murdering and eating an innocent animal like a cat or dog or cow moral?
>>77448578>is torturing, murdering>cat or dogWhat the fuck are you talking about? Kek.Raising farm animals, slaughtering them for meat and eating is moral, humans, much like cats and dogs, are meant to do this. It's something pretty much everyone who lived in a farm did with his own hands... very distant from the "le evil mystic murder" you are trying to pretend.If anything lying to preach is immoral.
>>77448583...but cats and dogs arent farm animals so its immoral to slaughter and eat them?meant by whom? your imaginary sky father?
>>77448586Imagine getting this upset because healthy people with good mind can easily see a line between what animals it's alright to eat (fish, chicken, lamb, cow, pork...) and with ones is not (cats, dogs...).Such a shame common sense from sane people draws the line, instead of sick cultists who have get boner by trying to order others around, isn't it?
my maintenance calories is like 2200 or so and ive been eating a single 1000 or do calorie a meal once per day for months and i havent lost any weight.im tempted to just go full anorexia
just took my weekly shitno, i did not weigh myself before and after
I am afraid no amount of weight loss will fix my horrible face...
>>77448610Your maintenance calories may be lower than 2200 and your meal may be bigger than 1000 calories. Sometimes there's a few days delay for CICO to kick in, but it does works.
>>77448613Can't promise you'll look good, but losing fat will improve your face. Even the worst face structure looks better slim than fat.
>>77448613define horrible
>>77448621I have that very sicilian Don Salieri face from the Mafia games which is so unpopular today
>>77448613Don't listen to incel retards online, unless you're actually deformed you'll be fine. Get in shape, take care of your hair (or lack thereof), wash your face and smile :)
Somebody get this veggie cultist out of here
>>77448637close the tab and you wont see him anymore
>>77448634After all the preaching, all the lies, one post after the other, after a desperate last stand on "muh my morality"... this is all that is left, a mentally ill individual who can only call other names for refusing to obey the petty diet rules of his cult. Unfortunately for you, I'm not a nigger, I'm White, but you are a jew, if not by blood, in spirit.
>>77448613taking care of your health, your personal grooming/style and personality will make everything OKif a man dresses well, is interesting and kind and clean/smells nice he will be fine.
It's just me or are vegans some pitiful losers with a control freak complex?
>>77448650they have a superiority complex from their subjective morality
Any person that makes an extreme diet/lifestyle their entire personality and world is always bound to be a weirdo that can't imagine others not caring as much as they do.Which is why they're always spammers here specifically. And in the ketoschizo's case an attempted bully. Horseshoe theory at it's most obvious.
>now he's not even trying and just outright spammingweird seeing this sort of shit on /fit/ I'm used to it on other boards
>>77448662I blame the anime OP.
>>77448663that's not rightyou have to always blame the jews
>>77448668xD
>>77448662This entire site has gone to utter shit, it's not even worth posting anymore
I dropped from 120kg (265lb) to 80kg (176lb) last summer and found a GFFast forward to 2 weeks ago she left me and I am now 100kg (220lb)Fuck my chud life, went to gym again today for the first time since dropping it in November
>protein pudding>100g: 76kcal and 10g proteingamechanger
>>77448707get yourself in shape again, you can do it bro>>77448714what brand
>>77448716it actually tastes good
>>77448714>>77448717I eat the lidl one and it is ok. I am not happy eating it because the added protein shit doesn't feel like natural eating and I have always been opposed to eat compared to eating just more chicken, but as long as I won't be able to plan my own dinners, I really have no choice.
>>77448717thanks for the infoi'll have to try it sometime
Fatty ContestDown20Already255lbs
>kfc offers 20 hotwings for 10 bucksFuck man, fuck.>>77448714>skyr>310 kcal 55g protein
Just got these cuz another anon mentioned them in the last thread. Hopefully they're goid
>>77448781what if you just wouldnt eat that shit? like literally just throw it away right now
>>77448784Why shouldn't I eat them, I just fasted for 5 days so I can fit them in easily
It’s the last stretch guysSoon I’ll reach my Goal WeightIt took me 4 months with some bumps on the road Then the hard part begins with maintaining
>>77448707How did you find a gf, this is literally the only reason I'm doing this and I have no idea what to do after goal weight
>>77448781enjoy your almonds anon :)i have some special almonds i too have a couple here and there>>77448793good job bro
>>77448804Thanks broIf I can do it, anybody can
Brothers, it's me former neet anon here, haven't been able to work out everyday like I used to when I was a comfy neet chad. Working 12 hour shifts at the humiliation factory has me unable to work out on the three days a week that I work. How do I cope with such a slave life?
>>77448804Almonds ftw man
>>77448809Get a degree
>>77448809get a trade job
>>77448815Trades are rough brother>>77448813I have one already sadlyI just hope after a month or two I'll get used to it and be able to get up at 5 am to work out before my wagie shift.
>>77448851>Trades are rough brotherdont make excuses, that's how you got fat in the first place
>>77448852I'm not fat any more, I can see my abs.
>>77448859that doesnt matter
I'm down 45 pounds in 5 months. WAGMI
So last week I had my birthday>cake obviously, fell on a day I would usually lift but didn't end up doing so because, ate a pizza for lunch because mumza wanted to take me out and suggested this place; drank a load of beer; steak and chips for dinner; next day grandparents: wine and more cake; saturday went out to a concert but people wanted to go for a meal first when I wouldn't normally and ended up getting a desert because others were. Still got in walks nearly every day and still two days last week lifting but because of all the above - and having a couple more biscuits and pints than normal - I took a waist measurement today and seem to be up half an inch. I feel like I can't shift this weight; spend months building up the amount of exercise I do only to eat or drink something a have it put on ounce for ounce.
>go to the gym>annoying ass spic takes up 2 machines for at least an entire hourThere is literally nothing worse than this. Going back to college this semester and I'm genuinely praying I'll be able to work out there instead but I checked the recreational hours for the gym (they still haven't updated it and it has 2024 or 2025 schedule still up on the site, I can't remember) and the hours are completely fucking AIDs. Fuck my entire life.
>>77448036>eating carbsYeah, NGMI.
>>77448175Nice try, vegan.>High intakes of milk and fats and oils had favorable effects on 10-year (1976–1986) survivorship>survivors revealed a longitudinal increase in intakes of animal foods such as eggs, milk, fish and meat>Okinawa Prefecture where life expectancies at birth and 65 were the longest in Japan ... the proportion of energy from proteins and fats were significantly higher ... Intakes of carbohydrates and NaCl were lower.https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1177/026010609200800312
>>77448809I work 65 hours a week in a factory with no ac and hit the gym 6 days a week just get used to it
I am a fat obese piece of worthless shit. I am a tubby wubby piggy boy and I deserve to be bullied.
>>77448937Fat people are victims of big sugar. Quit eating carbs and be kind to yourself.
>>77448794Dating apps, just have pics of your new body and it should helpEven with normal weight and kinda in shape it was still a mental torture that I do not look forward to
How low of a heart rate is too low? I woke up and felt my pulse and it was between 1.3-1.8 seconds before each count.
>>77448910>machinesToo scared of the long hard shaft?
>OMAD a couple of potatoes and sausage and eggs yesterday>not hungry for rest of the day>still not hungrypotato and fat is king
>>77448981Disordered eating
>>77448991>eat when you're hungry>don't eat when you're not hungryliterally could not be further from an eating disorder
Keto = Cringeto
Going to the gym tonight for the first time since last November
>>77449027Mentzer protocol?
>>77448981Potatoes are carbs. Carbs are fattening.
>>77449089retard
>>77448973maybe lower than 50? do you get better heart rate if you eat?
>>77449113
it seems diet soda makes me hungry and eat more. i'm eating ~400 calories lower since i stopped it.
>>77448775Also skyr>like 3x the cost of Greek yogurt for 20-30 percent more protein
>>77448910Why is it always spics that do this? When I go about half the time there's a spic couple that spend an outrageously long time using the equipment, and the other day this one cholo took the ex curl bar, set it up, then didn't use it at all and used the fixed weight ez curl bar and the preacher curl setup, taking up a bench AND that for like 45 minutes and I never saw him do more than one set.Meanwhile I had an angry guy bitching at me one of the few times I used the pull up bar in the squat rack at my previous gym.
>>77449151>>like 3x the cost of Greek yogurtdepends on where you live, i guess.
>>77449151500gram is like 1.30€
If, according to certain anons, carbs are the sole determining factor that make you fat rather than CICO, why weren't medieval peasants who ate almost entirely carbs fat?
how am i supposed to eat my nutella if bread is evil
>>77449178People who say carbs make you fat are retarded but that is a bad exmaple. They were all poor and has limited access to food bro.
>>77449178Grain eaters have historically been fat, from Ancient Egypt to Ancient China and Europe. Roman gladiators ate grain to get fat so they could get cut without their internal organs being damaged.Obesity wasn't a prevalent problem because people knew that grains were fattening. So if they wanted to stay lean they would reduce carb consumption and increase fat consumption. Traditional understanding of obesity was wiped out by CICO which was advertised by the sugar industry. That is why the obesity epidemic happened after everyone learned about calories, not before.
>>77449178>anonSkek>medieval peasants who ate almost entirely carbs[citation needed]but to answer your question, we don't live the lives of medieval peasants in terms of effort.this is what medieval peasants ate as far as i know.>wild, fresh salmon>pottage>old bread as a plate https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WeVcey0Ng-w>>77449196with a spoon as it was intended to be eaten.
Personal opinion is if that you're diabetic or prediabetic, or if anyone in your family is, keto is probably something that you should do. The main advantages of keto if you are just fat is mostly that it curbs hunger and also forces you to start actually reading nutrition labels and ingredients.
>>77449199>Grain eaters have historically been fat, from Ancient Egypt to Ancient China and Europe. Roman gladiators ate grain to get fat so they could get cut without their internal organs being damagedEveryone ate grain primarily. Gladiators ate MORE to get fat. >Obesity wasn't a prevalent problem because people knew that grains were fattening. So if they wanted to stay lean they would reduce carb consumption and increase fat consumption.Fat wasn't readily available to most of the population as a staple economically, no one outside the rich were ever concerned with growing fat historically. >Traditional understanding of obesity was wiped out by CICO which was advertised by the sugar industry. That is why the obesity epidemic happened after everyone learned about calories, not before.The obesity epidemic happened because food became cheap, plentiful, tasty and able to be obtained easily without cooking yourself along with the popularization of sugary beverages. No one in pre industrial Japan was growing fat despite mostly eating rice and fish because they weren't eating calorie dense food. This isn't rocket science. Most people historically weren't fat and nearly none of them ate keto. I don't deny that it CAN work as a method of calorie restriction but pretending it's the primary or only way to lose weight is retarded and historically ignorant.
>>77449200>with a spoon as it was intended to be eaten.i guess i can also use it in skyr or greek yoghurt or for icebut bread is so delicious...
>>77449229>but bread is so delicious...true
>>77449228You're just making things up because you are a fat carb addict and don't want to stop eating fattening grains.>Because the chemical levels in the skeletons showed a high strontium-to-calcium ratio, the researchers concluded that the gladiators followed a mainly plant-based diet rich in grains and beans. Specifically, the bone studies from Ephesus found that the gladiators had much higher strontium-to-calcium ratios compared to those of the local citizens.>At the time, the warriors were often referred to as hordearii, a Latin term that translates to barley men or barley eaters.https://www.thecollector.com/what-roman-gladiators-actually-ate/
>>77449229I started to use the Fiber Gourmet flour to make my bread. Mix it with some vital wheat gluten and you got a bread that isn't as shit as almond flour bread. Honestly it's nice to have a bread that I can actually eat.
>>77449245Chaffles are my favourite bread substitute. Just cheese and egg. No carb. Makes great burger buns and breakfast sandwiches.
>>77449243You fucking retard I wasn't denying that they ate a bunch of grains. What I pointed out is that everyone else did too. The difference is in the amount. The massive population of slaves and citizens weren't getting most of their calories from milk, eggs and meat.
>>77449253Learn to read, moron. They had a different diet composition.The same reason you are fat and I am lean. Our diet composition is different.
>>77449257It's not economically viable for the majority of a population prior to selective breeding and factory farming to be able to have a high animal products based diet in a settled society.
>>77449246Chaffles are pretty good. Definitely the choice for making burgers. Honestly it's kind of amazing what you can make with just cheese and eggs.
I like how every general thread on this site has a dedicated schizo regardless of how benign the topic is
>>77449246>burger buns and breakfast sandwichesthat does sound good
>>77449262So? Historically, fat people existed. The ones who tended to be more fat were the ones who ate a higher proportion of their diet as grains. Ancient Egyptians were fat and had heart disease from eating bread.Traditional wisdom about diet was that starch and sugar were fattening.After people were taught that the calorie measurement is related to obesity (it isn't) everyone became obscenely fat and lost the ability to control their weight.You eat carbs. You are fat. QED.
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>>77449199retard
>>77449257>I am leanproof ?
Newbies here should really learn not to feed the ketolard he does it enough on his own
>>77449285you have to keep pointing out that he refuses to post new photos and videos despite demanding photos of people. and that he always ignores that different shit works for different people.specifically, that some poor fucks have a greater insulin response to fat than to carbs.let's watch him ignore it again.>>77449271come here, shitposter. answer this.should those 8% of people with a higher insulin response to fat than to carbs eat high fat as keto recommends?>The majority of donors’ islets exhibited the highest insulin response to glucose, moderate response to amino acid, and minimal response to fatty acid. However, 9% of donors’ islets had amino acid responses, and 8% had fatty acid responses that were larger than their glucose-stimulated insulin responses. https://www.cell.com/cell-metabolism/fulltext/S1550-4131(24)00226-2
>>77449297>you have to keep pointing out that he refuses to post new photos and videos despite demanding photos of people. and that he always ignores that different shit works for different people.Do you have any idea of how hard/expensive is to get other people to pose for your internet preaching? Go easy on him.
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>>77449246>this is in the fat-loss thread as a bread substitute>my sides in 2026Honestly looks like delicious bulking food I'll make with deep dish pizzas starting September when the outdoor pool closes, kek.
>>77448808hell yeah brother>>77448886good work!>>77449027hope it went well
