Give it to me straight doc, best beginner dose of tren ?

>>77491577
Unironically start low (like 150mg) with Ace, figure out how you react to it since it isn't very forgiving. There are also a lot better compounds than Tren if you want to be shredded. Overhyped is not the right word, but a product of it's time for sure.

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>>77491575
foid oil does THAT?

if this post is dubs I won't start popping Adrol like candy in the middle of this Tren cycle

>>77491597
hell yeah fuck my liver and BP
LETS GOOOOO

>>77491597
GOD I LOVE ANADROL

>>77491599
>99
kek the poetic irony
>>77491603
FUCK YEEEEAHH

>>77491577
75mg/weeek Ace

>>77491603
Why?

>>77491618
Absolutely bricks up my muscles when isolation training, even on rest days it feels like I am post workout.

Every now and then I ask, but ai never get an honest answer. What's the point of pretending you take tren? Especially on an anon message board. Do you fantasize about taking it?

>>77491629
Tren has its place, there was or is a pedigree to users of it because it used to be a natty DYEL boogeyman like "Oh shit he's taking Tren he is serious about this shit what a madman" nowadays it's just "Neat".

My resting heart rate is high even on a low cruise, what do I do besides more cardio?

>>77491581
what does trenny say are the better compounds to look shredded?

>>77491659
Primo

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>>77491575
>they're still shooting up foid oil
>instead of researching Calonysterone
>in our foul year of the molecule skill issues
>(((2.0*10^3 and tren-tea-6)))

>>77491662
Unironically tried one of those Test/Mast/Primo vials and it hurt like hell for a week, worst pip ever

Everyone loves them for getting shredded though

Should probably take them separately

>>77491629
>faking tren use
my hours long masturbation sessions with the least satisfying finishes beg to differ

>>77478096
I think high e2 is pretty common when you first start using exogenous test. My e2 was crazy high when I first started TRT at 200mg/wk through a clinic. Like 150 pg/mL ultrasensitive e2 while my total test was ~1300 ng/dL. I started taking 0.5mg anastrozole at every twice weekly pin and after a few weeks of that I just eventually didn't need it anymore.
My e2 sits around 30-40 at 200mg/wk now.

>>77491689
Might try it anon. Gonna sign with a proper trt clinic and get anastrazole and HCG. I tried for like 8 weeks now with 150mg test and feel like shit

>>77491665
you're the least interesting schizo on this board

>>77491689
most aromatase is in the balls so estrogen goes down if your balls shut down

how much oil volume in ml can side delts handle max per week? what about lats?

>>77491704
the answer to that is in the wiki

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>>77491705
oh my bad you're right, I still call bullshit though. lats should be able to handle more oil than delts logically?

>>77491716
Ive done like 0.5-1ml delts. Seems a little too much

>>77491716
Maybe that includes side/rear/front combined? I have never done over 1.5ml into Lats

Anyone here try yk-11

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>>77491575
First cycle retard here. Please tell me if my plan is oke or i should rope.

15-20 weeks (still not sure here, input needed, leaning to 15)

Per week:
500mg Test E
~1000iu HCG

On hand as needed: Exemestane, Nolva, Accutane

2 weeks for test to clear and then:
PCT:
Nolva 10mg ED for 8 weeks

Thoughts? Thanks in advance frens

Just scored some mystery dbol from a guy I know. The lab doesn’t exist online anymore. Tomorrow will be fun.

>>77491782
Retarded take Tren nigger

>>77491823
I mean not like anything could go wrong if it was a well repped UGL before they shutdown/merged with another.

>>77491782
Start with 350/w and gradually increase it to 500.
Bumping it to 500 immediately as your first cycle is fucking retarded and leaves nothing in the tank for the final 2 months when you'll be acclimated to the 'gains' (glycogen n nitrogen retention) that a light test cycle offers and you'll brain will freak out and want 'more'.

Skig HCG during the actual cycle use it for PCT. Your balls wont shrink much if anything.
Doubt you'll cycle off tho.

How do you guys get started anyways? What made you fraud?

>>77492068
it's been so long now I don't remember (over a decade) but I honestly think it was this general. I don't remember how I ended up in /fraud/ specifically other than shooting the shit with trips and laughing at/sharing life stories. But I bought my first real cycle shortly after (had already done prescribed test by 18) and have cycled on/off over the years since

>>77491700
Interesting. I'd also like to importantly note that I was absolutely fat as shit when I got on TRT, but my e2 levels also leveled off and I was still fat as shit, just slightly less so because test gave me the motivation to start working out hard, which gave me the motivation to actually make use of it and clean up my diet.

>>77492163
high body fat causes higher aromatization of test
personally I'd assume your body stopped aromatizing as much because you gained more lean mass to bf ratio

>>77492171
my e2 levels stabilized while I was still really fucking fat, like 40%+ bf. I think I might just be a low aromatizer genetically.

>>77492181
yeah, there's gotta be something there because that fluctuation is pretty crazy considering

>>77491625
Do you experience this effect as something temporary, or does it persist after you stop using it? I have it here, never used it

>>77492214
nta but real muscle growth is permanent, the water retention into the muscle and pump that makes it feel bricked on adrol is obviously while using

tf anon just try it for a week or two if you have it on hand. you don't have to/shouldn't take adrol long

How do I stop getting a moonface when blasting deca and test?

>>77492068
I started with lh boosters like fadogia and then enclo and it was just a slippery slope

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Been like this for 9 days when are these lazy spaniggers going to drop off my fucking gear

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can I jump on 250mg test for a 12wk cycle without hurting my cardio to where I can’t run a 40 minute 5 mile? any ROONERS in here that can give some insights

>>77492452
probably unrelated, but i often don't get any shipping updates until the day it gets delivered. did you order from china, or eu domestic?

>>77492589
Hopping on test is a lifelong decision, try enclo instead

I'm planning to cruise 250mg test for life, am I leaving gains on the table if I don't take a beginner cycle of 500mg test first?

>>77492600
no lol, 250 still might be a bit high for a permacycle though either adjust it after checking bloods or commit.

>>77492598
Tell me more about enclo. I’m restricted on year long cruising because of my job’s volatility inso I’m away from home for extended periods which could fuck up dosages. Gotta work with what I got brother man

>>77492617
Take one 25mg dose of Enclomiphene every three days. That'll be enough for your needs.

>>77492591
Eu domestic
My last two orders came from Poland but I tried a new shop and they apparently send from Spain.
Godspeed that gear will magically appear in my mailbox tomorrow

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>>77492589
250 should slightly improve your numbers since it's not enough to screw up blood pressure or blood thickness or muscle oxygen demand and it simply gives better recovery.
But that said, I don't understand what your goals really are. 12 weeks is really short and that low dose won't do much ultimately.

>>77492617
>I’m restricted on year long cruising because of my job’s volatility inso I’m away from home for extended periods which could fuck up dosages.
If you just want better cardio and want to be in and out with certain compounds then maybe go for some metabolic modulators, which don't screw with your hormones at all.
E.g. injectable stenabolic, cardarine, etc

>>77492600
Technically, yes.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-24730151

Do a 700mg/week cycle for 16-20 weeks first, then drop to 200mg.

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>>77492714
Goals are:
BW: 175 > 190
Bench: 205 > 225 (for reps)
DL: 350 > 400
BW Pull-ups: 15-20
Wtd pullups: BW+45lb for 5 solid reps (2 at most right now)
5 Mi: 38-42min (consistent) to <37 min consistent
12 Mi 45lb ruck: 2:42 to <2:30
>inb4 where squats
My lower lumbar is fucked so I only do “explosive” leg exercises that work towards running & rucking to prevent any (BIG) injuries.

Never heard of metabolic modulators (very new to this), I’ll look into them. Is Steroid (the website) a reliable source for data or do I need to autistically research on the side? Thanks for replying in any case anon, did not expect a non-shitpost reply.

>>77492761
You sound like a huge faggot i don't know why all I know is you suck mad cock nigger

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>>77492763
>doesn’t keep a cumbag load in his ass
ishiggydiggyt

>>77491972
>start with low t and bump it later
>hcg during pct and not during actual cycle
most retarded takes i have seen in a while, do you fucking niggers read the wiki at least

Bout to do my first clen cycle? What to expect?
>Inb4 jitters, tremors
I'm looking forward to being able to jack it without consciously moving my hand.

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>>77491581
My uncle who trained with Dorian Yates says it works best if you inject it into your testis, because that’s where the test is made.
I want that edge, but I’m scared. Should I /fit/?

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>>77492716
>700mg first cycle

>>77492918
No, they don't. That's why we need to read things like that, or 700mg week as a first cycle for someone wanting to cruise 200, and so on

>>77492935
You see, no one reads the wiki.

>>77492945
700mg with 100mg daily injections is a perfect first cycle. Just make sure you have an AI on hand.

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lads do i even do it

im 40 and apparently thats 779 ng/dL

rethinking my life here

>>77492989
Literally in the upper end there m8

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I've been using Anadrol for 6 months now, 5 times per week and my appetite is dead. I have to force myself to eat. Tf do I do?
>>77492989
Im 25 and started pinning 500mg test/week even with natty test at 961 ng/dl, fuck it, you only live ONCE.

>>77492958
>700mg with 100mg daily injections
I do this. Started at 500 for like 3 weeks then figured 700 would be better because it's literally 200 more.

>>77493013
what if i never get it back

get much change on 500test?

>>77493013
Anadrol hasn't made me any hungrier than normal honestly, I just force feed myself throughout the day and instead of snacking on something tasty when I get a craving I just continue with my meals I haven't finished.

>>77493039
>what if i never get it back
you can order it online for pennies and just inject it forever like a real man

>>77491575
What's the better DHT analogue, mast or proviron?

Is it a waste to do blast doses while cutting and not eating enough calories?

>>77493104
yes

Are all of you really ordering this shit to your house, or are you finding serious quack docs letting you have 500 test a week?

>>77493128
house

>>77493128
Straight through the letterbox kid.

>>77493128
My mail man is a drug dealer and he doesn’t even know it

>>77493128
Pharmagrade shit straight through my my lmao. I guess living in a third world country has its benefits.

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want to take prim but don't want to fuck up my hair

Where do you guys pin your T? I’ve been doing it in my stomach but I keep getting bumps under the skin.

>>77493191
Lats, quads, delts, glutes, ventroglutes

>>77493191
ventroglutes and glutes

so what, now yall are saying 500 test your first cycle is no bueno?

>>77493245
350

>>77493282
i been doing 500 a week and im like 10 days in, you think i ought to dial it down to 3 fiddy? ive split it into daily injections. also doing daily hcg, 100. i always forget the units, but its 100.

>>77493245
first cycle just means don't do crazy shit all at once
if you start at a reasonable place and things are working then you can bump it up, or there's the opportunity to back off

>>77493287
ill post my 4 or 5 week bloods here and yall can advise me to pull it back a bit based on that right. cheers to you great lads. im slowly becoming one of you now and i love it. once again ill ask where do i pick up my club cypionate bandana, where is the cypionate club located and how to the turf war with enanthate gang and the others. is cypionate red or blue do rag?

next winter blast besides test I will:

odds do deca again
evens fuck it we do tren
dubs BOTH

>>77493299
yooooo if i also get dubs then he does a third chem of his choice

>>77493299
blast away brother
one shot at life
live it BIG

>>77491665
You fell off. Stop AI posting.
Anyways, first study I can find shows that ecdysterone destroys it.
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC11847253

>>77493191
Delts, ventroglutes (goated), and glutes.

>>77493245
Anything between 350-700 is fine for a first cycle imo.

>>77493286
If it's your first cycle yes. Drop now, you've essentially pre-loaded for a 350 cycle by taking 500 for 10 days so you won't have to wait a month to truly feel the 350 dose.

12-14 weeks at 350 is a good 1st cycle

>>77492702
fingers crossed!

>>77493245
Sure, as a goal. Straight to 500 is seriously retarded. Start with 100mg/wk, slowly work your way up to 500 by adding 50-100 per week until you're there.

>>77492714
Cardarine is not worth the risk bro come on

>>77492714
>Recommending cancerine

>>77492958
No, it's not. It's utterly retarded and ridiculous. It's like taking 16 aspirins for your headache, for the first time.

>>77493511
>>77493525
can you actually show how that particular chinese bathtub chemical so much riskier than all the others? it seems made up.

>>77491656
Lose weight. Reduce androgens.

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Will minoxidil and finasteride protect my hair if I take prim?

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I injected 400mg/ml test e subq into my glute.
I cannot tolerate this pain for an entire cycle.

>>77494360
only fatsos and trannies pin test sub q
jam that shit into the muscle with a proper pin

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>>77493682
Everyone I know did 500-700mg for their first cycle and they're all fine. You must be a tiny manlet or something.

500mg is the MINIMUM recommended dose for a first cycle. I'm afraid it's (you) who's the retard.

>>77494360
Previous cycle was 250mg/ml subq. No pain.

Is IM likely to reduce the pain? Or is this batch of gear useless to me?
I guess the only way to know is to try.
Although I still wish for other's experience.

>>77494358
yes but you are going to need to up your usage
here you go based on primo dose:
100-200mg = double dose of min and fin
200-400mg= triple dose of min and fin
500-800mg = quadruple dose of min and fin
I know it sounds crazy but if you want to do primo and save your hair, you have to follow this protocol.

>>77494385
The central problem is that Primobolan (methenolone) is a DHT-derivative itself. Finasteride works by inhibiting the 5-alpha-reductase enzyme, which prevents testosterone from being converted into DHT. Because Primobolan is already a DHT-like compound, it completely bypasses this enzyme. Therefore, no matter how much finasteride you take, it will have zero effect on the hair loss caused directly by Primo. It would only help with hair loss caused by the testosterone conversion that your body is already doing.

The Flawed "Dose-Doubling" Logic
The suggested protocol appears to be an amateur "more is better" approach. This is not how these medications work:

Finasteride: Its DHT-suppressing effects do not scale linearly with dose. Clinical studies show that even a very low dose of 0.2 mg per day can cause significant DHT suppression (around 55%), while the standard 1 mg dose achieves slightly more (around 69%). Increasing the dose to 2mg or 3mg would not provide a proportional increase in protection and would only drastically increase your risk of side effects.

Minoxidil: This drug promotes hair growth by improving blood flow to hair follicles and has a different mechanism of action. Increasing its dose, especially if using the oral form, would not counteract the androgenic attack from Primobolan. It could, however, significantly increase the risk of side effects like hypertrichosis (unwanted hair growth), edema, and other systemic issues.

>>77494382
nta but I did subq once and it left a sore lump for like 10 days. also subq felt less effective.
IM hurts more up front because of bigger/longer needle but the soreness lasts only a couple days

>>77494358
It won't protect you. Just take var+test

>>77494372
Cap, you only need a heroic dose of 500mg+ if you're a genelet or if you're roid troon maxxing. If you have a good natty base and respond normaly to test, 100-150 mg trt perma-cruise dose is all you need to get jacked. Obviously you still have to lift, but you'll dramatically reduce the need for an AI because any side effects from aromatization will be minimal.

>>77494388
>AI is a better source of gear info than someone who actually has tried A-Z
you hair fags are fucking normie retards
this is why I normally don't engage with you fucks

>>77494396
>cap
stop reading there
get drafted in war and die

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>>77494397
I'd rather listen to AI than someone on an anonymous site who's likely a troll and/or retarded

>>77494396
You're in the wrong thread kid. We're here to get HUGE. Your pathetic trt dose isn't fooling anyone. 500 minimum.

>>77494406
then next time don't post in my thread nigger

>>77494372
I got shredded on 350 and am have seen amazing results on a longer, 240 cycle. People with bad genes, uggos, and manlets who need to look like Ronnie in his prime to get laid say you need at least 500.

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>>77494414
>brags about being shredded
>doesn't post body
DYELs make it too easy

at that stage in the tren cycle you feel flat and small and don't have the appetite to shovel in more carbs

it started making plain rice smell like corn and it's disgusting

forcing so many oats boys

>>77494360
wait... you pinned 400mg worth of gear subq in 1 go? that's way too much oil, my dude. subq is more like... 0.5ml at most. or if you meant you pinned a smaller volume that is 400mg/ml, then hop on med lab supply, order a 50ml bottle of uktra filtered mct oil and some vacuum sealed vials, draw 5ml of your 400mg/ml sfuff, put it in a new vial, then add 5ml of the mct to both vials. then you'll have 200mg/ml that might not be so pippy. the ultra filtered mct specifically is already 0.22um filtered, but if you're nervous about it you can order some pdvf (pvdf?) 0.22um whatman leur lock syringe filters from them as well, do the dilution thing, warm the diluted vials up a bit in hot'ish (NOT BOILING) water, draw, then filter into a new vial

>>77494389
what do you mean bigger/longer needle? you can find 1 inch 27g needles pretty readily. you probably want to avoid anything larger than a 25g. just sounds painful for no benefit

how much bam15 should I be taking? Looking to help losing the last few pounds

>>77494408
right? dont roid to look fit, for pussy, for mental health, or anything else. the only reason anyone should ever roid is to get huge. or if you're legit hypogonadal, then get normal, my dude

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>>77494514
how did you find her cycle?

>>77494546
>you pinned 400mg worth of gear subq in 1 go?
No, 0.8ml. 320mg.
I didn't mention the volume in my post.
When I was pinning 250mg/ml, I pinned 1ml at a time without issue.
I will try your advice and reduce the volume.

Thank you, I will also look into dilution.

>>77494560
FOIA request

>>77494566
Lol lmao.

>>77494651
Which part is most funny?

What should my test/e2 ratio be?

My total t is 3400 and my e2 is 23.
That seems way off.
Is there a general ratio to go by?
Currently taking 1.5mg arimidex. Gonna drop it down to 1mg per week. My e2 was 108 before arimidex and I felt shit. I feel better now but I feel like I might be crushing it too much.

>>77494725
I assume it was blood pressure. Lowering E2 helps but maybe look into low dose Lisinopril and see how that works.
I'd argue that 75ish E2 is fine as long as there's enough DHT to counter it, but that's my arbitrary interpretation.

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I love dbol
Fuck my liver

>>77494745
Yeah gonna get my blood pressure checked for sure.

>>77491575
>Fraud thread
>All questions redirected to wiki
>wiki is on reddit
Anyone who sees this shit and still considers roiding is indeed a tranny faggot

>>77494809
Who hurt you?

>>77494809
didn't ask

>>77494809
Reddit has uses, sometimes

>>77494809
It's a good wiki.

>>77494809
find a better wiki for frauding then
go ahead, i’ll wait

the reddit wiki is all 500 mg test starting no debate, but reddit itself is all people doing like 200-300. when did this change start to happen? its gotta be the gen z content creators right

>>77494928
Been like that awhile now, few years at least
Part people just not understanding or doing research, part sponsorship money
i know mpmd recommends the pseudo trt cycles, dunno about the rest
easy win for content creators since trt and mens health clinics can only give about that much
This post brought to you by Virile Male Wellness of La Jolla, CA
Always follow the money, anon

>>77494946
>>77494928
should I not start with 300 and then increase to 500 if it doesn't rape me?

>>77494928
Influencers with stakes in TRT clinics.

If the Reddit wiki isn't enough, there's always Wikipedia, and if that's not enough, Google Scholar (and sci-hub)

>>77494928
>>77494954
Nothing bad is going to happen at 500 vs 300. Worst case scenario at 500 you get a little bit of moon face and have to take an AI.

If you are going to come off and pct then you definitely want to do at least 500, you want maximize the benefits of your cycle, you’ll be just as shut down from 300 vs 500. The important thing for your first cycle is just to run one compound so you know what your body is responding to.

What does everyone recommend as far as syringes? I know I want leur-lock and am going to draw with a thicker gauge and pin with a smaller gauge. But I see so many recommendations for different things. What gauges and lengths do I want? Planning on mainly pinning IM glutes and ventro glutes.

>>77494413
my thread now

>>77491704
My go to for high volume are VG first then lats. They both handle a lot of oil very well. If your using 3ml+ per pin both sites take priority.
If you want my opinion delts are fine for 3ml and below. Anything over that requires a larger site.

>>77491782
Add a DHT. If you don't mind extra injections being that it's your first blast use Mast. If you would rather use an oral go with Proviron or Var

>>77495005
I have to disagree about using one compound only. Test should always be used with a DHT. If not you are leaving gains on the table as far as free testosterone which is a far better indicator of an effective test blast. Lowering your SHBG makes testosterone far more effective. I do agree about keeping it simple but why not take advantage of significantly raising your free test. You don't have to use an another anabolic like var but using another compound to compliment test just makes sense. For a first blast I would suggest this without hesitation
500-750mg testosterone
50-100mg proviron or
200mg masteron

>>77494566
0.8ml subq? just sounds uncomfortable. hey if it works though have at it. at 400mg/ml the ugl may have used more ba/bb to keep it from crashing. that might also be the cause of the pip

>>77495015
i draw and pin with 1 syringe only, and it's a 31g 5/8" slin pin. if you want the leur stuff, 1" 21g to draw, and 1" 27g to pin is fine. the bigger the gauge number, the smaller diameter the needle is. length is just how much fat you have in you. ifn you're bigger, 1 to 1.5". average, 5/8 is fine. low bf a half inch is plenty

>>77495015
I have 23g 1” and 25g 1” and as a daily pinner boy do I prefer the 25s
>drawing needle
Literally why. It takes like 30 seconds

>>77494514
LEAVE HUMANITY BEHIND

>>77494919
>read wiki
>it’s wet

>>77494514
what the fuck am I looking at

>>77494928
I'm saving money

>>77495360
my cruise timeline

Just going to finish this DECA vial I got when my caber arrives, then hop on the EQ train since 19nors don’t like me… Tren will never be touched again and will probably give my 9ml leftover to my friend.

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Are noobs discouraged from posting...

>>77495682
I hope not, we should all be sharing our experiences and knowledge to those new to this without sounding pretentious or rude. Unless they are gen Alpha faggots who want to hop on Tren at age 17 and become retardeder than they already are.

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>>77495036
Wont dht derivatives rape my hair tho? I am already on duta and wanna play it very defensive for my hair to the point i am thinking also of topicals.

>>77492989
I was at 601 free. At 60 years old the gym was kicking my ass but i needed tomlose weight and train for mental stability. Added T at 1100 now. Best decision. No sides.

>>77493191
Ventroglutes, quads. Ventro is safer, quad is easier. Dont subQ Test. My Dr. said to subQ but dont. Man up and get it into a large muscle. It releases more smoothly when IM. Quas have a lot of nerves. If it starts to feel like a shock, you are close to a nerve. Pull out and find another place. Ventoglute is better in that regard, fewer nerves, just need good technique.

>>77495812
I have never done quads where it didn’t feel like a pinch that shit is AIDS. I just pull back a bit then angle the tip very slightly to get past it and keep going.

>>77494954
Why would 300mg rape you? It's a pretty low dose, too low to accurately figure out your AI dosage for a lot of people
It's in a weird grey area between trt and an actual cycle that will give good results regardless of individual response to hormones
Additionally in a few weeks you won't even reach full saturation depending on the ester so you wouldn't even really know its effects
Your post makes my head hurt

Friend I haven’t seen in awhile said I am a lot bigger than last time we met. Gave him a big hug for that, I love steroids.

>>77495792
dosage and genetic dependent. but i have seen that some people lose all their hair completely if they are susceptible and get really high with masteron

>>77496034
Did you accidentally crush him?

its day like 12 or something and i think im becoming hornier. maybe im imagining it. i just gooned for 4 hours first thing in the morning. god help me.

can someone post the estrogen checking image thingy

>>77496295
>>>/lgbt/

Only 50mg of deca and my ECG showed signs of LVH, just fuck my shit up

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>>77496250
No but I made sure to squeeze extra tight and pat him on the back hard.
>>77496298
this?

How much test do you guys cruse on is 100 too little?

>>77496439
Not necessarily, everyone responds differently. 100mg for one guy might be enough, but another might need 180 just to be in the normal T range. Only way to really know is to do bloods.

>>77496399
yeah thanks.

>>77496439
100 is absolutely too little. cruise doesn't mean babby dose. it means you're taking enough to retain what you got from the blast

i always cruise at 200 to 250

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Dropped the GH after cruising on 3iu for a year. Down 4lbs of water weight since, and I think it all came from my arms. I'm looking deflated and less vascular.
Didn't know how much it was doing for me, my recovery is in the shitter too.

>>77495636
>19nors don’t like me… Tren will never be touched again
what did they do to you anon

>>77491575
Minicut started. Seeing how much I can lose in a week on sub 2k calories, some dnp (still finding max tolerable dose for current temps, currently at 300mg today and not too bad), some clen, some t3 and some cardio.

>>77496754
same and 150 mast/primo on top of that
and some gh

>>77496916
>living in 2016

>>77496934
What? No laundry list of do nothing pepbullshit? Reta is in, I thought it was a given...

Why does peeing become harder every time I hop on anavar?
Like I can't push the last bit out

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>>77497185

any more advice for me on proper pinning form, its been 2 weeks now and honestly i was hitting a good rhythm doing ED shallow IM shots in dorsoglutes, ventroglutes and thighs. however it feels like the last 5 shots or so have left lumps, every time and it feels like im covered in lumps.

dorssoglute feels more lasting stinging than other locations. maybe im starting to retain a little water and its making my shallow im shots subQ just barely? also im getting some tiny white spots in the bottom of my test vial. crystals?

im using half inch needles, 29g. they felt kinda perfect at first. although they are the amazon generic brand. should i buy some nicer ones? sometimes i wonder if im shooting with complete shit needles

>>77497237
I’m 8 weeks into ed pinning and I’ve never gotten a single lump

>>77497185
press on the back of your balls and it'll come out

>>77491575
Which steroids cause the most body hair growth?
I don't want to go ape mode.

>>77497340
heavy dht
tren

>>77496851
Yeah the fullness GH gives isn't to scoff at.
I guess it was an economic question? Get some mk667 if you have to recover the funds. Otherwise het back on that horse up it to 4 and pair with some post workout slin :))

>>77495005
Worst case at 500 from natty is gyno sneaks up on you and you now need letro asap.
Its retarded regardless. Leave some in the tank because 350/w (250 e5d) is PLENTY for a first cycle IF you have a foundation and have done as recommended lifted for years with progress to the point where the increased glycogen & nitrogen retention blows u up.
If not, then yeah you'll be disappointed when you realize 4chan dyels lied and it doesn't automagically turn you into this buff bb type within a couple of weeks.

>>77497294
you use longer needles? i dont really get why im getting lumps all of a sudden.

two weeks of pinning first cycle 500 test and 700 hcg per week, i woke up today and one of my nips was white, like the tip was all white and feeling a bit weird. i flicked it and all the color returned, and then it stopped feeling weird, feels nomral now. and i already getting spicy nips just two weeks in?

>>77497237
>shallow IM shots
>im covered in lumps
if oil leaks out of the muscle it's going to cause inflammation
if you're using 0.5 inch you should go to 1.0 inch instead

>>77498089
Doesnt sound normal at all, are you really fat or something?
Might also just be paranoia and overanalyzing because it's babbys first cycle I guess.
Also stop taking HCG all throughout the cycle, you come off like a nerd

>>77498217
no, im lean-ish around 17%. you saying i should switch to hcg just for pct?

pinned for first time ever, tried ventroglute, didn't hurt at all, aspirated no blood, 24 hours later pretty sore

normal?

Where the fuck did my abs go? I'm on a fuckton of gear + peptides, muscles are full, strength is good, pumps are good, not watery or estrogenic at all, and I'm leaner right now than I normally am with visible abs. But they're just...gone. My face looks like a holocaust victim and I have no abs at all. What the fuck bros.

>>77498465
Yes.

>>77498509
>Peptides
>He put (mostly) untested unproven Chinese chemicals in his body
Shiggy doggy doooooooo

>>77498390
You can use hcg all cycle if you want, but most people just use it for the last month of the cycle and maybe a month after finishing before starting pct. Personally, I don't think there's anything wrong with using it all it cycle if you want to.

>>77498465
Yeah.
I find massaging it, then going for a hot shower and putting hot water over the areas immediately after pinning helps.

>>77498533
do you know what thread you're in, retard?

>>77494745
>>77494786
BP came back at 130/60
That's ok right?

>>77498543
People blasting test and the other anabolics at least (mostly) get pharma shit from overseas or prescribed shit, and it is indeed well studied with safety profiles. Your bottle of random Chinese chemicals, is neither.

>>77498547
>test and the other anabolics
>(mostly) pharma or prescribed shit
>well studied with safety profiles
lol. lmao.

>>77498556
t. clueless jack

>>77497237
>shallow IM shots
Enjoy your coming subq leak abscess. Use longer needles and stop being a fucking retard.

>>77498547
Dude, we wish.
99.9999999% of UG raws come from china/india

>>77498593
Sir are you poverty stricken

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>>77498606
Xir you are fucking retarded.
Unlike you faggots us dudes (esp in europe where TRT care is lackluster) rarely see HG sex hormone unless you count the fake galenika or aburaihan

>>77498612
I will keep you in my prayers

>>77498547
You do realize that most "overseas pharmacy" gear is mostly counterfeits right? Unless you can verify your powders come from Sigma Aldrich(which they don't because it requires a license) then then most gear, UGL and overseas reshippers, come from the same three Chinese chemical companies. Here is another bit of info for you, even Pfizer, Merck, Watson etc purchase from these Chinese chemical companies to offset price. The more you know

>>77498547
lmao
pretty much no one is injecting pharma grade stuff (and half of the stuff people take don't even have pharma versions) it's almost always chinese raws mixed by some rando

>>77498715
>>77498654
A bunch of the "imports" are indeed actually pharmaceutical grade for whatever country that comes from, including with strict manufacturing/reconstitution (based off substance) with solid quality control measures. As far as the pharma companies using chinky chemicals yes however they do strict QC (including purity testing), those contracts are big money so ol' slanty eyes ensures no fuckery is afoot

>>77498546
yeah that's fine. though watch top number since could creep up on you.

is it tru you start feeling weird on week 3 and then it kinda clears up week 4 or so

>>77497237
Crystals? That means your compound has crashed meaning it fell out of suspension. Just heat it up before pinning. Even US pharmacy test, like Watson, even addresses this in in the paperwork that it comes with.

>>77498390
You really need to research what you are putting into your body. Hcg should not be used during pct. Also another beginner mistake is where hcg is administered. It needs to be injected directly into the testicles for it to truly be effective.

>>77498904
I've been boofing my hcg this cycle, good results

>>77498547
>get pharma shit from overseas or prescribed shit
kek how fucking new are you

>>77498938
Everyone at my gym that's on gear is either on prescribed test OR gets diverted pharmaceutical from mehicko idk what weird Diddy juice you niggas are injecting

>>77495682
No they just dont reply to my cool oral only sarms posts

>>77498900
could be, theyre super tiny. ive been heating it up, hopefully it hasnt been too much heat. just letting it sit in my computer fan for a bit

>>77497239
the fancier ones have like a lube on the outside of the needle so it doesn't feel rubbery as you push it in, so it feels smoother. also the tips are finer so it's easier to pierce the skin. they're nice, but it's kind of a whatever thing to me. then first time i used them though i was pleasantly surprised at how easy it was, but i get the same feel sometimes with the 100 slin pins for $13 pack too.

Is 1g test 600 EQ 50 dbol first 8 weeks 50 var last 8 weeks enough to compete in ifbb? Assuming genetics are good enough for it

Do physique guys take growth?

If you took TUDCA, Elafibranor & cilofexor or tropifexor, you could theoretically take anadrol forever

>>77499306
Doubt it

>>77499306
tudca is good, anti-inflammatory drugs help, but the first line of defense is supporting both anti-oxidant and phase II enzymatic pathways
orals work because they resist metabolism but as a result produce toxic side products that eventually destroy liver cells. the inflammation only comes after enough cells are already destroyed.
so take all your anti-oxidants and then also take things to support sulfation, glucuronidation, and methylation, and the liver will be able to clear toxins much better

>>77498538
anything else i ran the vial under hot water before doing it, think maybe i injected too fast or moved needle too much

pains not even in the spot i pinned either its lower

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>>77499343
i only ever inject in my quads, i dont know why most people dont do it.
its a huge muscle, i can fully insert a 30mm needle into it and i never get bad pip. its also the most convenient spot to inject.

>>77499371
thought you weren't supposed to do that cos theres a nerve right there

>>77499391
main issue is if you pop too large of a blood vessel which turns into a huge lump that doesn't heal

>>77499332
I thought the toxicity was because of a build up of intracellular bile acids due to a reduction in bile acid transporters, hence the PPAR-delta and FXR agonist to increase bile acid transporters and bile clearance and the TUDCA to make the bile more hydrophilic and less cytotoxic.

What results have people had taking clen and 2iu/3iu of hgh daily? Will problem do the standard clen protocol of going up 20mcg every 3 days until I reach 120mcg a day. An article written by I think lyle mcdonald states that both compounds work hand in hand.

https://stackingplates.com/2017/10/what-is-the-most-effective-growth-hormone-protocol-for-fat-loss/

>>77499541
do yourself a favor and just get sema/reta/tirz if you wand to cut weight
clen is magnitudes worse because of the nasty side effects

>>77499541
Yes, in general supplementing GH reduces lean mass loss
Good luck, also give DNP a try (which doesn't make you lose any lean mass at all)
>>77499573
Ignore this faggot

>>77499541
>clen

obsolete now that we have GLPs


I've been on 1.5-2ius of hgh during a cut and I think it's helped me preserve muscle

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>>77499573
I'll probably get that as well.

>>77499593
You can't find that shit anywhere anymore.

>>77499600
Reason why I want to take clen is because it is purported to have some anti catabolic properties and even some anabolic properties when taken at 80mcg.

Yes, I could just take AAS, but I'm pretty happy with my size atm, not that big as it is, but still, am happy. Just need to lose a few more kgs and I should be ripped.

>>77499343
I'm struggling with glute pain too and I'm starting to think the issue is I'm not actually going deep enough. So I'm gonna use a 1.5 inch needle now and see how it goes.
If you got a fat ass that might be something to consider.

>>77499674
Scam

>>77499666
Going to shallow can be one of many issues that cause pip. Try a 1 1/4 first. That's typically the most you really need to go with.
There is a handful of things it could be. Pinning to shallow, improper pin placement, poorly brewed gear (to high concentration or to much of a particular solvent), or on certain occasions you make just react with a particular oil being used. I had a buddy no matter what we did he got bad pip and it turned out he could only use gear with a particular oil as the carrier. He was allergic to everything so we brewed him gear with mig840 and that finally worked

>51
>on trt
>prescribed 100mg once a week
>bottle is 200mg, been taking 200mg for 7 months not
>3 weeks ago start injecting 100mg twice a week
>this week notice I want to beat off all the time
>can't.exe
>libido has finally returned
What should I expect in the coming months. I haven't had blood work done for about 4 months. Is my test levels way to high or is this normal?

>>77499371
Widely regarded as the worst place to inject as far as pip, nerves etc
Sorta the easiest to reach and a big muscle so can hold a lot of oil
I started there, but never use them now since there's much better places
VG>dorsoglute/delt>trap/lat/pec>>>>>>quad

>>77499966
>>77499966
Well I injected e3d over a fourteen week cycle and didn't have a single issue
Maybe what's widely regarded is wildly retarded sometimes

>>77499992
Cool story bro

>>77499306
Ive literally done this for 5 years no problem

>>77499947
Prostate cancer, you should get an exam as soon as you can

>>77499995
Not funny

>>77500028
That sucks. Time to an hero, be good everyone!

>>77499431
Ah ok, I looked and Anadrol does do a strong suppression of FXR, but also seems to be the worst for bile transport out of all the orals.
Things like Halo and Superdrol are much worse for oxidative stress instead.
Well now I know... different orals need a different focus in preventative measures.

>>77499371
Quads are literally the worst.

I'm no longer getting temporalis pumps when I chew food. My estrogen must be low.

Joking sort of. I'm not getting big pumps at the gym and getting other side effects also.
When I first started my cycle I wasn't taking an AI and I was getting insane pumps for a while (until it went too high, and then I have now crashed it)
I was even getting pumps in my face from just chewing food to the point my face would be visibly pumped lmao. I'm not feeling that anymore.

>>77495005
Thanks anon
>>77496009
Sorry for your hurtie head anon

>>77499861
i only have inch needles but i pushed that in as deep as possible

i think maybe i swirled the needle too much found it hard to twist to inject and be still and relaxed

Where did you get elafib & the fxr agonist though, otherwise i'd probably try it too.
>>77500066
yeah certainly wouldnt try it with halo or superdrol unless you were suicidally crazy. anavar & winstrol would fuck your lipids too hard too

>>77491575
Is there any point to taking proviron & mast together or is it redundant?

>>77500488
SWIRLED THE NEEDLE?! nigga you pinnin, not mixing kool aid. act like an unwed mormon high schooler, put it in there, and soak. i know what you mean about it being hard to move the oil though. just try varying the depth

>>77500894
obviously not on fucking purpose

but with all the twisting and aspirating it and even just pushing the oil through it didn't stay static

obviously i was trying to be as still relaxed and smooth as possible

>>77500928
Side note: aspiration isn't required for IM or subq

>>77500928
nta but I think you're putting too much into this. just draw, insert and inject fuck all the extra work

>>77499947
the girlcock lust will start any day now

>>77500986
dont really want to spend 5/7 days on test with hip pain m8

can delts take 1ml without too much pip? might try them

>>77501248
ATP just use your quads like that anon suggested because you seem to be struggling to actually hit the muscle. it should not be this difficult m8

>>77499947
Drop to 100mg ASAP. You being horny with ED is a sign of high testosterone levels and high estrogen/e2. 6-8 weeks after you drop to 100 you should be fine.


How were the gains on your 200mg 7 month cycle? I'm currently 3 months into a 6 month 240mg "cycle" and am looking great!

>>77500722
It's redundant

Any of you ever get in legal trouble buying shit online? Is there a safe way to do it?

>>77501948
No. The police in my country (UK) don't even arrest people for raping children, or selling drugs openly on the street, so I'd imagine people buying roids online are pretty low on the agenda. Also, they prefer to arrest weak people who aren't likely to put up a fight e.g. neeks and grandmothers who post mean tweets online, not big juice heads that it'd take 3 or 4 officers just to get them into cuffs.

Currently running 5g test C and 1g Tren E a week.

My libido has been great on 5g, much better than 1-2g. Anyone work their way up to 7.5g Test C for more libido gains.

>>77501948
who the fuck has the resources to go after a random faggot for buying this shit for personal use. x10000 if you're buying domestic. it's such a retarded paranoia, think about it logically for 5 seconds

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>>77502058
i've been pinning 30 ml per week for a while now and now i look like this

>>77502196
That’s HGH face.

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how do I reach this level

>>77499023
Pour 3-4cm water into a pot to cover some of the vial then put it on low heat for a while. Take it off then put your vial there for a few min and it's done

>>77502163
You must live outside of scandinavia. Here in Nor/Suedi the cops can literally pick you up at the gym for looking buff, take you in for testing (it's illegal to have any metabolites in your body, they own you goy) and while they're holding you at the station you may also get v&.

I'm not even exaggerating, if you get caught kiss ur drivers loicense goodbye

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>>77502230
don't

>>77502257
that sounds extremely cucked, had no idea it was so bleak there

>>77502230
this is how I feel on tren but without the shame. only you never really feel like you finished and there's no pause in your boners

>>77502283
>>77502290
Scam

>>77501393
This is the exact answer I was looking for. I've been gooning more than ever the past couple weeks and the only thing that changed was my test dose like the other anon indicated. Literally horny all day, but can't get hard kek.

where do you fellas get your blood work done? don't want to explain to my GP why my test is 5x the upper bound of normal in my 30s.

>>77502714
maybe say where the fuck your from with questions like that?

>>77502721
Maybe shut your bitch mouth stupid nigger

>>77500928
oh i getcha. damn my dumb ass was thinking you were just raping your poor muscles haha! yeah, it's whatever. needles are flexible. try and relax. maybe sit down first. take a deep breath, exhale slowly, hold your breath a few seconds, then long inhale, and repeat. and, yeah, what other anon said. don't really need to suck blood into the syringe before pushing the oil

>>77502714
if you're in the us check out hellogoodlabs. prices are the lowest ive seen on most things. just pay with your card, no insurance. they send you to quest diagnostics, or i think they also partnered with some other lab recently too

>>77502714
maybe lay off the tren retarded nigger. I'm in antarctica

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>>77491575
TL:DR

>30s
>Naturally Low Test
>Started prescribed TRT for a few months, Libido went crazy
>Next thing I know 500 test and Primo, Dick could punch a hole in concrete
>Throw in some var for good measure
>Clomid PCT for 2 months
>Decide PCT is gay as fuck and B&C
>Labs are pristine except for slightly elevated e2
>Throw in some anastrozole because fuck itchy nipples
>Libido has left the group.

After Clomid PCT and slightly before adding anastrozole my libido vanished and is almost pre TRT level bad both on blast and cruise. Dick works fine, just don't have any desire to use it. I thought I got some watered down Indian/Chinese test so I switched to the remainder of my prescribed test but got no changes.

On a side note, about 2 years before starting any gear I started getting rage flashes where I would get angry at the most retarded shit and would be consciously aware how retarded I was for getting angry over some mundane nonsense in real time. Test actually reduced the rage by a margin, but when I added the anastrozole, all of it vanished practically over night, stopping anastrozole causes the rage flashes to return.

Input would be appreciated.

>>77502767
>>77502731
>what tren does to a motherfucker
Grim.

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>>77502836

>>77494372
>some low responders need 250mg just to reach normal levels of testosterone
absolute bullshit. If 250mg doesn't have you at supraphysiological, then your test is bunk.
200mg "TRT" puts me at 1600 ng/dL TT and 500 pg/mL FT trough. Even natties with high test won't have the FT levels of someone on a mild 100mg TRT regimen.

>>77494566
You really shouldn't be pinning oils subq unless you're doing daily injections with very small volumes of oil, and even then you will probably develop unsightly hard lumps that stick around for weeks.

Hey y'all, it's the guy from earlier in the thread who said he was going to start his first clen cycle. Well my shipment finally came in. Man, it was not what I was expecting. First off, I'm one of the lucky ones, no tremors, even though I jumped in the deep end and started with 80mcg daily. Getting good sleep is a BITCH though, melatonin is a must. It's not the constant high energy state you'd think it is. Cause of how it works you only get the giddy high energy shit for the first day, after that it's constant wired but tired. It's not bad if you can push through. It's weird though. Basically you always have energy, but simultaneously having a good sit or lie down always feels really fucking good. Too early to report results.

>>77502269
Swede here

I'm afraid of taking my hoodie off whenever I have a pump at the gym because all it takes is a jealous dyel's phone call to fuk your life up. Instead I behave like a cuck and downplay everything...

Nearly all gyms are connected to some "Clean Training" anti-gear foundation and in the membership contract it states they can randomly test you lol... if you get caught by the gym you get banned from 99% of gyms in sweden btw and that's the best case scenario cuz if the cops take you in one of their random gym raids they perform every 3-6 months you're getting that + your drivers license suspended, and if their suspicions are of the higher degree your house Will as said get raided. It's fucking crazy man, we have no rights.

>>77499371
Too many nerves... hitting one SUCKS
Ventroglutes ftw.

>>77503143
That somehow sounds worse than your pro-rape immigration policy.

400 test and 200 EQ
Or 500 test and 100 EQ?

>>77503127
The fact that you don't understand that everyones body is different and can process drugs wildly differently shows you've got some learning to do. That information is compiled from thousands of users. 99% won't need 250 to be normal, but some rare individuals might. Lurk more.

>>77503143
Can't you just build your own behind closed doors private membership unregistered gyms?

Migrate when ready.

>>77503337
>>77503337
>>77503337

>>77503263
1g Test
No EQ

>>77503143
Dude gtfo of that communist hellhole wtf are you doing??