Has the lifting meta changed in the pas few years or something. I'm starting lifting again and I had tried lifting for a few months 5 years back. Back then, generally recommended routines were strength training programs usually designed by powerlifters(like Greyskulls or GZCL). I thought of starting with GZCLP but I am seeing some comments here that make me rethink this.1) I am seeing a lot more threads shitting on powerlifting/Strength training.2) Full-body routines 3x to 3.5x a week is being called "fatiguemaxxing".3) People talk about GZCLP as some outdated boomer routine.So what gives? Has anything changed? Especially for beginners.
I mean it depends on your goals?
the new meta is buy roids from some retard on tiktok and fuck your shit up
>>77578701yes over the pandemic everyone collectively agreed barbell training, SS, etc was a waste of time after watching zoomers get more gains in just 1 year than most of these fat powerlifting dyels got in 10 years of training
>>77578713On top of that, to gain strength you can just do isometrics, without a need to fuck up your knees or back. Squats don't even train the tendons of your knees. And hyperextension does way more for your back strength and health than any deadlift.
>>775787011. Just small, weak people being jelly as usual2. Fatiguephobia is a tiktok trend where people with broccoli cuts pretend to be scientists while misinterpreting what "fatigue" means in strength and conditioning. Fatigue is a necessary product of building strength and size so automatically any routine that "minimizes" it, minimizes gains.3. GZCLP is one of the better routines because it varies the load which consistently shows longer-term improvement. Nobody has made a clear and concise beginner routine that "replaces" the old shit yet. It probably doesn't need an entire day dedicated to heavy OHP but whatever. If you just follow GZCLP and then maybe a high volume 5/3/1 after it, you'll consistently outgrow the permanovices who endlessly hop on tiktok routines.An example of a permanovice is someone like >>77578723
>>77578701I just try to keep everything symmetric
>>77578701Anything you stick to consistently while eating right will give you more results than trying to frantically optimize. Improve/adjust as you go while giving yourself time to see what works and what doesn't for your body. An example of this is that my bodyies structure simply is not made for squats - the mechanics of my body makes my torso lead too much forward, making it too much of a lower back exercise. Front squats are okay but still has that issue, Zerchers better but targets my core too much since I also do deadlifts. I finally gave up and went for Hack squats instead and I am enjoying it. >TL;DRStick to the plan long enough to see what works, try new things that appeal to you, incorporate if you respond well to it.
>>77578724Well that's good to hear I suppose.
>>77578736Thanks anon.
>>77578705Be strong and not be fat. I am not looking to get shredded. A decent non-fat physique is good enough. Currently I am skinnyfat. 176cm 77.2 kg.
>>77578713Far be it from me to defend the cuck Rippetoe but desu millenniboomers running SS were mostly natty while zoomers start blasting tren before they even commit to going to the gym regularly.
>>77578701People were shitting in strength based routines 5 and 10 years ago too. Its the /fit/ meta to shit on everything constantly.
>>77578754>176cm 77.2 kgYou're just fat.
>>77578760My BMI is 24.8. That's not fat territory. Still skinnyfat.
>>77578771It's fat if you're untrained. Where's the "skinny" part in skinnyfat coming from?
>>77578776My stick arms and legs I suppose.
>>77578778Doesn't mean you're skinnyfat. Skinnyfat is picrel.
>>77578782Goggling gave me this pic. So this is just fat? It’s closer to my physique. I am not here to argue. I thought this was skinnyfat all this time.
>>77578788He's borderline and you're fatter than him.
>>77578794Alright then. I am a fatty.
>>77578796Btw I found the article. Mr. Paneer says he was originally 49kg 6'2", then dirty bulked to 69kg and says that moved him from skinnyfat to fat. I assume he's either lying about his height (very likely), the entire thing is made up for clicks (almost certain) or the photo is him at 69kg.
>>77578800Autistic of you to look into this. He's defo lying about his weight.
>>77578801That pic could plausibly be 69kg at 6'2" desu.
Yes the meta has changed. Back in 2010 it was all about getting big and looking up to bodybuilders like arnold/ronnie/Jay. In 2015 social media starts taking off and the meta started shifting to impressing girls. By 2020 everyone learned that girls dont vare about lifts, they care about abs. Now in 2026 the woman attracting meta has been optimized to the max. To the point where there is literally no point in lifting if youre not aiming to be attractive. Basically fitness has been solved. Powershitting leads to you getting fat. Roids are cool now. Proving you are attractive enough to pull women is the new end goal.Your aim should be this. Being fit, jacked, and getting mired by women in front of their boyfriends
>>77578825That's a roid tranny.
>>77578831Yes. But nobody cares anymore. Roids used to be a dark hidden secret, but now you have big fitness influencers like Sam Sulek, and the Tren Twins. Its all part of the gimmick. It has been acceptable to use roids as long as the resulting body is either extremely strong or extremely aesthetic.However I do suspect that by 2035 we will move away from the "fake natty" look and a more natural lean look like pic related would be the new top tier.
>>77578825>>77578835And what routines do they follow?
>>77578840Bro splits
>>77578723>to gain strength you can just do isometricsKekSteroids isn't a programme btw
>>77578846So, the secret to "better than standard strength training programs" is roids+bro splits? Really?
>>77578701anon simple, think simple. simple always best>1) I am seeing a lot more threads shitting on powerlifting/Strength trainingme want be strong = me do strength training. anyone shitting on that must be trying VERY hard to be smarter than they are>2) Full-body routines 3x to 3.5x a week is being called "fatiguemaxxing"depends on your current cardiovascular abilities. if you want to avoid soreness early on - do less exercises that load your muscles in stretched positions (but eventually start doing them). there is nothing wrong with doing full body 3 times a week if its structured properly and your cardio is taken into account.>3) People talk about GZCLP as some outdated boomer routine.try it. if it works for you then its for you, if not then not. i personally am not a big fan of linear progression simply because progression is almost never fucking linear, unless its your first 3 months at the gym.tldr: find RPE 8 in exercises youre interested in, stay there until it becomes 6, then increase weight. i cant think of any scenario in which this "method" wouldnt work.
>>77578860>So, the secret to "better than standard strength training programs" is roids+bro splits? Really?Yes. Thats becayse strength training programs train strength. They do not train aesthetics. Many strength building programs are leg dominant and lead to imbalanced and ugly physiques. Bro split is upper body dominant which builds a better physique. Roids enhances that to make you look aesthetic. >pic related is your typical strength program output
>>77578868this. also the need of hitting certain set/rep goals in a week is i think a myth. more and more studies show volume isnt nearly as important as intensity
>>77578869Honestly its all bullshit. Intensity is a meme as well. Just lift. These days anything works as long as its not pure laziness.
>>77578868Bro splits were pretty commonly viewed as a joke. Idk if their results are any better these days without roids. Also, that guy in the pic looks good.
>>77578875>Bro splits were pretty commonly viewed as a joke.That was the old meta. When strength was king, bro splits didnt build enough strength compared to strength programs. Now that aesthetics is king bro splits are back on top because bro splits make you look aesthetic. The results are good even without roids, but as a natty you have to be lean. Bro splits don't work without also being lean with abs>guy in the pic looks good.He looks ok, not amazing. His legs are too big, he has no abs, and he doesnt have the complimentary upside triangle shape. His torso is more of a rectangle.
>>77578879>That was the old meta.yeah the human body got a patch from the dev's to balance the meta, you're genuinely fucking retarded
>>77578889Seething fat boomer.
>>77578825>>77578835Tell me... How did roiding and 'mogging' dudes in front of their gfs work out for this chap again?All narcississy roiders await a similar fate. Roiding is for spiritual and literal transexuals.
I’ve tried it all. The only reasonable approach is casual fitness and light eating. As you grow older looking ridiculous in a suit does more harm than any benefits looking good in a t shirt offers.
>>77578701The last 10 years can be summarized as "Lyle was right" and just differnt people realizing it one after another.For beginners things are mostly the same but without the free weight puritans (machines won) and people are usually pushed to do isolations earlier than they would have before because everyone is done pretending this isn't for vanity.
>>77578701I started on SL5x5 and it works great. You don't have to dirty bulk just because you're using barbells, and that is the only criticism I ever heard of it online, that competitive powerlifters are fat. Just don't dirty bulk and that solves all the problems.You will notice that back 10 years ago people were a lot more friendly and supportive in the online fitness community. These days you have far more bucket crabs. You will regularly hear people spouting anti-creatine propaganda and making up any reason they can to criticize anyone who posts their physique. I think people are deliberately posting bad advice because they see it as a zero sum game instead of a community. Zoomers are turning out to be a dogshit generation.
>>77578957He mogged so many guys it drove him insane. Imagine being so hot and unmogable that you literally couldn't handle just how attractive you are
>>77578701Lift very heavy and to failure. Try hitting the muscles twice a week. It's always been that simple. Eat mostly clean, prioritise carbs on heavy days, and sleep well. I tried all the bullshit for 4 years straight, and that's the TL;DR
>>77579034Only the most insecure narcissists have roid abuse problems.
>>77578982QRD on Lyle and what is he right about? Google tells me it probably refers to Lyle Mcdonald a fitness influencer.
>>77578701The only real difference is that people started to understand the importance of rest. Fatigue and CNS fatigue actually accumulate and fuck you up, going hard really often will result in injury.That being said the biggest issue is people getting mindfucked by influencers on gear. Zoomers literally unironically do not know what a human body is supposed to look like anymore.
>>77578982Pretty much everything Lyle has ever preached just sounds like complete common sense to me. I'm really not sure why people even argued against him.
>>77578701People trying to reinvent the wheel for the trillionth time. Do whatever program you want it doesn't matter that much as long as you're making consistent progress and not getting injured.>just fucking lift
>>77578788>Armpit/shoulder stretchmarksHow does this even happen?
>>77578982Who is Lyle, your boyfriend? Of course he only wanted you to use machines so you kept twink status
>>77579402Try lifting sometime
>>77578701All that matters is being lean and doing some sort of body building routine. Only looks height and jawline matter. Powershitters are gross and power lifting routine doesnt promote aesthetics. Do it for sports tho if you play sports
>>77578701do you have any goal that isnt looking good? if so like some sport you oughtna train for that if not just have some baseline cardio and some baseline strength and be like 12% body fat, the leaner you are the easier cardio is as well. This is what zoomies realized, whats the point of spiking your cortisol and doing brutal routines when you get like 80% of the results jogging a couple times a week, and lifting a few times a week for aesthetics. The issue is this takes a few years to look good, i mean most of us i would assume played sports when we were younger so we already were natty maxx at like 18 but if you are starting at 30 or some shit its gonna suck. And when you are training for sports when you are younger you just do whatever bullshit your coaches say anyways so it really doesnt fucking matter you just gotta hit nattymaxx which takes like 5 years then you can maintain
>>77578701>1) I am seeing a lot more threads shitting on powerlifting/Strength training.you are seeing dedicated spam by retarded brown teens who truly believe that being skinny is better than being muscular
I wish you kids knew how fucking embarrassing it is saying shit like "brosplits are the meta [for getting girls]". You sound like a greasy neckbeard talking about WOW or League or some shit.>brosplits are totally bis for blondes>yeah but for latinas PPL has higher dpsshut up you faggots and lift the fucking barbell
my humble take>fbw or whatever kind of split is comfortable with you>calisthenics + weighted calisthenics (pullups, dips, core exercises like leg raises or weighted crunches)>bench, some sort of shoulder press, kroc/bb/seal rows, lateral raises>some machine isolations for upper body but bigger presses or rows on machines are pretty good as well>deadlift and squats are bad things to obsess about; can be replaced with unilateral work like lunges and back extensions/rdl>whatever else you think will be useful on top of thatsometimes the best way to build a routine is to go to a gym and randomly try things and play around until you eventually build a set of exercises that feels balanced for you
>>77578701stick with the old recommendations, allthat changed is that the internet got worse
>>77579479You didnt pick Chad class nephilim race? Oof. Better reroll your character. You want to spec into the HS sports tree, maxing str and charisma stat points. Start maxing your gym profession early so that by level 16 mid game youve already reached the "have sex" achievement and late game you can easily swap to model profession.When you enter the college rift. Go bot lane adc, thats where the hot girls are. Cs, get level 6. Push for a team fight at a party. Take girls to the back room and ult them
>>77578701>should I trust the new advice, now that the majority of internet traffic is Indian, or the old advice, when the majority of internet traffic was white?
>>77579491Kys dweeb
>>77579497Id rather not feed and throw the match
>>77578701Nowadays for real people and not professional bodybuilders it's all about MET and METT. Here, get educated: >>77578012
>>77579748latest lazy retard fitness fad
>>77578701Retards will do anything to justify their refusal to do any actual workSS, SL GZCLP all require effort along with having expectations that need to be metAll the bullshit routines people shill make it easy to hide progress and not put out any actual effort "oh bro I did so many sets tho" "at what weight?" "Psht bro it's all about volume"I would run SS or SL plus arms abs and shoulder flies and cardio until you're intermediate and then you can run a split that hits everything 2-3x a week I prefer 2x if you're actually intermediate (symmetric strength dot com)Getting to intermediate strength guarantees that a higher volume program will actually work because you'll know enough about your body to figure it out If you're fatigued, you're not eating enough or doing enough cardioRetards have been saying the same retarded shit for decades, they just use different terminology
>ctrl f>Myofibrillar hypertrophy >404 not foundthe state of /fit/tards in current year
>>77579063Search "Lyle McDonald big 5" on youtube Biggest red pill that /fit/ is not ready to accept yet.
>>77578968Best post itt
>>77578701Only DYEL terminally online white people/whitewashed people care about lifting meta cuz theyre DYEL as hellJust lift weights and eat a fuck ton and take roids if you want and get proper rest like a big muscular black bodybuilder
>>77580015You don't actually get a 404 error if your search term is not found
>>77578701Do u think the human body changed in 5 years u need to do a different program
>>77580037BTFO by redditors.
>>77578701Don't come here for help unless you have specific questions. General questions get dismissive and opinionated answers these days. Find out what works for you and fuck everything else, just make progress
>>77578879>he looks ok, not amazing Anon that guy makes fitness content and has millions of followers. It is literally his fucking job to workout and he’s been working out for 10+ years most likely. Is it really necessary to push the goalpost back this far?
>>77580241And would you like to have that physique?
Yes people realized the powerlifting programs aren't the best for hypertrophy Then we've had an embarrassing "science based lifting" trendThe 3x FB being called fatiguemaxxxing is probably a science based dyel memePushing the target muscle close to failure is the meta now
>>77578860i come to this mongolian basketweaving forum to not see the wpd cat.
>>77580324Shut your whore mouth. It's the rDrama cat.
>>77580312I would love to have that physique. It's great.
>>77580723Youd love to have an unattractive physique?
>>77580746It's a matter of taste. He looks strong. Like a brick shithouse.
>>77578701>>77578982>everyone is done pretending this isn't for vanity.bicep growhappy growstrength increaseno big bicep to showmonkey ask, what is this all fo'
>>77580756>he looks strongAs always being strong and "looking like a brick house" is impressive to men. Women dont give a fuck. So if you want to have gay sex. Look like a brick house. If youre a straight male, being thinner and leaner is always better
It’s an upper body business. Always has been. Chads who fuck never stopped doing bro splits. All of this online posting and theorizing about a closed subject is done by the beta nerds that thought lifting could make them something they are not, their feminine nature then pushes them to perform it in such away that marks them as different from Chad even if they both go to the gym. Just like how god marks the beautiful Jewish women with that nose, so we can tell, so does he mark betas who lift, with big feminine thighs and ass.
>>77580809Promo's good.Also, all this shit about the "meta" of lifting is ridiculous nerdy zoomer nonsense. The issue is people listening to wrong people and not using common sense or even being honest with themselves what they really want. Because there is no "meta", the human body has not received any software patch. The stuff that works has always worked, and the stuff that doesn't has never worked.
>>77580809The Rock drew more dimes and he didn't have chicken legs.
>>77578701“Fatiguemaxing”New words to explain the same Concept that always been around. People don’t want to do squats. Squats are the only fatiguing thing in these programs. People don’t want to do them because they’re tiring. New words, old dilemma.
>>77580817Its not that the human body changed, society changed. Big muscles at the expense of your overall appearance isnt "in" anymore. There is no social value to being a strong fat ass like there uses to be. Meta means what is the most optimal/most efficient/most popular method. The meta shift was from natty bodybuilding to looksmaxxing. Both of those have different workout routines and different end goals. So while the human body is the same, how we workout for maximum social credibility has changed.
>>77580832>There is no social value to being a strong fat ass like there uses to be.No, there never was. That's exactly the point I was making that you aren't getting. Being a fat ugly powershitter was always, ALWAYS lame and if you thought differently it was because you were listening to other ugly beta nerds on the internet.>how we workout for maximum social credibility has changed.You're not beating those overthinking nerd allegations here anon.If you just use your common sense and work out, eat and live like a normal person, you will look fine. By that I mean>be active, get your steps, play sports when younger>train your body to move efficiently and be decently strong in every aspect, along with mobility, cardio, etc>have an artistic eye and give extra attention to any lagging muscle groups and/or the ones that contribute the most to aesthetics (delts, lats, upper chest, narrow waist, etc)>don't eat like a fat fuckThen you will look fine. I say this because if you do everything right you can't NOT look fine. Plus you will have the added benefit of not being a neurotic fag about how you look which will actually make you MORE attractive to women, not less.The real elephant in the room here is that you shouldn't NEED to even work out for maximum social cred to begin with. Just not being a lame, awkward, weird faggot (which I realize is asking a lot from a zoomer) should go a long to way to elusive social cred you seek, instead of needing your body to do all the talking for you. If you're a cool normal guy and to that you ADD the good looks and body, you're in chad mode already. It's easy. So work out by all means, but do it for yourself and the rest just falls into place.
>>77580857>Being a fat ugly powershitter was always, ALWAYS lame and if you thought differently it was because you were listening to other ugly beta nerds on the internet.Post body.
>>77580830The rock drew more rich gay men that turned him out for success. >>77580817Based>>77580832Cringe
>>77580866Rick Rude wasn't drawing women either big guy. If anything, it was more redneck hicks during his era.
You know /fit/ has changed when the /plg/ general no longer exists anymore.
>>77580863Let's break down the logic of your "post body" here little zoom zoomMe:>having a bad body has always been lameYou:>you sound like your body must be bad! post it!!It's like you're trying to argue for your point AND mine at the same time somehow.
>>77580874Why not? I am just curious about the results of bro split adherents? I am a beginner yes but I am in my 30s.
>>77580830Rock had a personality and was considered a handsome dude (no homo). He didn't look like a powershitter. If you used like Kevin Owens or some other modern dimeless faggot I could see your point.
>>77580876>If you used like Kevin Owens or some other modern dimeless faggot I could see your point.Modern day anti-dimes faggots don't lift for either strength or aesthetics. They don't lift at all. Don't think Owens or Young Bucks are powerlifters.
>>77580830Don't forget the Hulkster brother. The guys who drew in wrestling were always larger than life. Not twinks. Lest we forget , Shawn "sex boy" Michaels who was supposed to be a ladies man tanked the business. Wanting to be big is not lame, it's a childish fascination and all the more endearing because of it.
>>77580875>I am a beginnerThen why are you speaking out of turn? I just turned 46 and I've been lifting as long as you've been alive.Part of what makes "post body" so stupid is something you still have to learn: you could have the exact same routine and diet as me, and you won't look like me. You'll look like the "optimized" you, but not me. You might even look better (though I strongly doubt it), you might look way worse. Or around the same ballpark, but not a perfect double. That's because you and I have different bodies. Different insertions, different proportions, etc. You will learn that in time if you don't give up within a few years.Also I never said you have to necessarily do bro splits, or that I'm currently doing them. I've said this before on this shithole board but the best routine for most people IMO (assuming it fits your schedule) is a quasi-bro split with a fullbody day tacked on to tie everything together, if it fits your schedule. Me, I'm old and I don't have as much time to lift anymore, so for the last few years I've been doing the inverse of that: a few fullbody days a week and then a bro day to relax and give a few finishing touches. Because that's my second point that I only recently learned for myself: the routine to maintain a body is very different than the plan you need to BUILD a body.>b-but how do I know if I should listen to you or not??That's the beauty of 4chan. You don't, and I don't care if you do or not. Use your own intuition and knowledge and try for yourself, then come back to us and tell us how it went. Besides my body is on IG, find me there if you can. Not on the anonymous forum where we call each other niggers and faggots. That's not what I'm here for.>>77580877>Don't think Owens or Young Bucks are powerlifters.KO at least looks like the fat alcoholic powershitters that hang out at my gym, don't know if he's actually strong (I doubt it).Cucks don't look like they lift at all. Modern wrestling is so cringe and gay.
>>77580891>Shawn "sex boy" Michaels who was supposed to be a ladies man tanked the businessSay what you will about him but HBK was jacked as fuck in 96-98. He tanked the business because he was a natural heel miscast as a babyface thanks to Vince's mancrush, and because he was going against the NWO on the other channel. As soon as he turned back heel the dimes started to roll in, then he got hurt just a few months later.
>>77578835>picrel is nattylol
>>77580872That’s mister Ravishing to you buddy.
>>77580873Good riddance, nothing but screeching autists.
>>77580873spammed to death by the same schizos who made this thread and every other shitty thread on this dead board
>>77580891The hulkster had a larger upper body than lower body, nobody is arguing against being big here, I’m arguing against lower body dominance. Not even the rock is lower body dominant even if he has more developed legs, but that’s less fun to say to you than calling him gay4pay (which he was)
brosplits have always been the meta of /fit/, powershitting and SS was always bait to trick newfags
>>77580929>I’m arguing against lower body dominanceYeah seriously, the autists in here will think that we're saying it's bad to have strong muscular legs. That is not what we're saying, we're saying to not spam legs while neglecting upper body and to end up with a hideous, disproportionate, lower-body dominant physique.But it's amazing that this would even *have to* be explained. It should be self-evident from our words.
Powerlifting was kind of a contrarian fad in the early 2010s for nerds on the internet to feel better about themselves. Strength was seen as some "noble pursuit" while getting abs and nice arms was seen as vain and something for normies. I fell for it too, it was so cringe spending all my energy low bar squatting. Thankfully people learned and moved on, honestly you can pretty much do anything as a beginner and you will grow. 90% of people who do powerlifting routines look like shit btw and are fat.
>>77578701Its a solved niche with some variance due to individuality, all the science based stuff is to waste your time and get clicks on videos and get you sucked into pointless edrama.
>>77578701I have never made a better progress than on a BB split training each body part once a week, never to failure and never resting more than 60 seconds.
>>77580967Thanks for posting this copypasta again
>>77579402>>77579449Puberty
>>77578879> When strength was kingStrength still is kingNobody weak looks good. Nobody weak has good muscle size while being lean. To think you dont need strength is absolutely retarded.Aesthetics are a function of leannessAnd before you come with the powershitter insults, strength doesnt mean powerlifting.If you arent steadily increasing the weight you're doing on lat pulldowns, rows, lateral raises, chest flyes, etc. You simply arent going to continue to grow. Getting a pump with high reps does not make you grow. >>77579035Failure isnt necessary. Most of the time its actually counter to progress.Heavy loads, 1 rep in reserve. All you need.
>>77579026Agreed. Zoomfucks are miserable and afraid of being mogged so they lie and scheme.
>>77578825Daily reminder that guy on the left is no longer alive so guy on the right won the mating game
The problem with ss is that it built base strength, but didnt make your upper body look good - so in reality - just add days for bi's shoulders, lats etc for the beach and the female gaze
>>77578701The science based meta for muscle growth is just a modification of what most people have been doing.Growth is stimulated when pushed close to failure. Avoid hitting failure every time, but try having 1RIR every set.Lift heavy with fewer reps (4-8). Set a target rep range like 2 or 3. So if you can do 5 reps in one set, your weight is good. If you hit 8, it's time to increase weight on that set next time. Do two warm-up sets minimum per exercise, and your first working set should be the hardest. Growth is only stimulated by the last few reps each set.Following this general guideline for whatever exercises you enjoy, you will see consistent growth without burning yourself or your body out. Pump, muscle fatigue or "the burn" are not indicators for growth. Hitting close to failure is your only goal. Anything else is just cardio.
>>77580891Nice to see a fellow hulkamaniac in the wild brother.
>>77579479You are a buffoon if you don't realize that this is intentional and self aware.
>>77580937It’s because due to their autism they chase numbers, and if you do that you will invariably end up lower body dominant, not only that but low bar and sumo will also give you a blocky midsection and immense adductors, the killers of aesthetics.
>>77578707this. we are entering a new era of low effort everything
>>77581073>Failure isnt necessarytrue. But most people underestimate their proximity to failure, and their 1 RIR is more like 3 or 4, so saying to failure is a safer bet.
>>77581943it's still embarrassing, retard
>>77578782that's just unfortunate genetics, not skinny fat
I kind of agree with the looksmaxers on training. I've probably trained legs seriously 1 day a week on my best programs and doing runs 1-3 days a week. I still think deadlifts are a staple, but I agree more with somebody like Pavel than Rip. I hate to say it, but the new meta makes much more sense.
>>77581687the turtle and the hare spoke of this
