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a graphical user interface on a server is a grave heresy, and I pray none of you commit this most unholy act

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What are you hosting?

>>106399530
>Oracle forces you to install X to install their DB
Thanks, Oracle.

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>>106399365
Tgis is all you need for a solar powered home server solution.

>>106399597
>Thanks CIA

>>106399960
More like
>Thanks, Oracle lawyers.
I'm sure that gives them something to go after you. A ruse I can't see through, but I'm sure is there. They are very smart.

>>106399365
I found a dell R720 for $100. It has 8gb of ram and no disks. Is it worth it?

>>106400701
Do you pay your utility bill?

>>106400751
Nope but I see where you are going with this

>>106400756
Many such cases.

>>106400781
clearly the higher the gen the more efficient but what gen would you recommend? for example I also found a R330 for $90

>>106400794
Unfortunately, I'm not that tuned to Dell/Intel offerings, but if I may suggest something, why not a N100, meaning a Mini-PC? I think it's going to be cheaper than that, obviously weaker by either half or double, but you will be able to do plenty with it still

>>106400831
And of course, while also not being very expensive, electricity-wise.

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>>106400831
I am currently using a thinkcentre but I'd like to upgrade my setup with proper redundancy. I asked chat gpt and after googling it reported that it uses 30-50w on idle and 75-85w on full. Noise is 53db and it says it's effectively silent in a real word scenario. I have a server rack lying around so I am genuinely tempted to buy one of these since they are so cheap

>>106400902
I understand. Well, I'll leave that to the other anons to chime in. Good luck.

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>>106400992
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WpiuNPtAWbU
I think I found the catch. The SFF variant of this server only allows max 2TB per drive. Hoping I am wrong but..

>>106400902
>75-85w on full. Noise is 53db
no

Nice tutorial: https://learntocloud.guide
>Learn to Cloud (L2C) is a courseware built on the belief that anyone can learn foundational cloud engineering skills with the right guide and discipline.
>This guide is focused on helping you learn the skillset of a junior cloud engineer, not ANY other role.

>>106400902
>uses 30-50w on idle and 75-85w on full
Yeah no.
>Noise is 53db and it says it's effectively silent
HAHAHAHA
Watch this and think very very carefully. https://www.youtube.com/shorts/01u87P7_xAg

>>106401312
>only allows max 2TB per drive
Those limits are a crock of shit unless hardware RAID or very old storage controllers are involved. Any decent SAS2 or newer controller in IT mode shouldn't give a fuck.

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Why do so many self hosted dashboards suck dick?
Even the ones that are good on paper like Homarr are fucked by overly opinionated design choices that drive me fucking insane and solutions like homepage seem archaic in configuration.
I'm about to say fuck it and stick to glances that new dashboard even with the lack of integrations

>>106399365
Currently, I use Ansible to set up machines and deploy docker compose stacks to them. Currently, each stack is deployed to /opt/{stack} and their data is mounted to /srv/{stack} for simple backups. Should I be using Portainer/Dockge for deploying docker compose stacks instead?

>>106402579
In your opinion, what would make a good dashboard?

Anyone know of a rack mount ATX case in the ~$100-150 range that uses several 120 fans on the front? I want to be able to use a 360 radiator but most cheap cases use one maybe two 120 on the front and a couple 80s on the back

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>>106402780
Since Homarr will be my best option atm I would like more robust iframe manipulation for example with netdata there is only a few fields I want to monitor for each service but I can't exclude yet alone even freely resize the frame without homarr slapping my hand and pushing it to a different size. It would be great if I could even just push the argument through anything other than CSS to only display the desired metrics.
Or they can find a way to have it work natively over dashdot which in my opinion fucking sucks

>>106402760
Your /opt/{stack} and /srv/{stack} structure is clean and backup-friendly regardless of deployment method. If your current setup works well, there's no compelling reason to change - Ansible is the more professional, scalable approach. Add a GUI only if you need better visibility or have team members who would benefit from it.

>>106401312
>>106402214
It's SFF, the largest non-SMR HDD you can get is 2.4TB SAS and 2TB SATA, it's not "bullshit" by any means. They literally don't make drives bigger than that without switching to SMR which is absolute ass.
It literally shows in that image you can throw a 7.68TB SSD in there, which is also the largest SAS 2.5" SSD IIRC. 15TB+ SSDs are NVMe and the backplane doesn't support them.
Do not get a SFF server unless you have a specific usecase in mind and you already intend on going all-flash.

Suddenly stuck on orange DHT nodes in qBitorrent (about 100) despite it being all green for the past few weeks. Have switched servers on my VPN (Nord) but issue persists. Most forum posts suggest this is an issue with port forwarding, nothing has changed on my router, network or client that I'm aware of. Is this more of a hiccup, keep an eye or do I need to devote time fixing this? Previously it worked fine.

Okay, I just Tyrone'd two 12TiB HDDs, but only one is showing up on my SAS HBA. it shows up in my Sabrent drive dock that connects via USB, but, not on the onboard SATA controller or the HBA? what do? And NO! I WILL NOT GIVE IT BACK

>>106405377
To use those on sas you have to remove one of the pins.
If you look at rhe connector you should see 7 gold pads on one and 15 on the other.
It will be pad #2 on the 7 pad connector. Pad 1 is the closest pad to the 15 pad connector, and 2 is the one after.
Just take a rasor knife and gently pry it off. Then the drive will work in SAS ports

>>106405377
>12TiB
>TiB
The one circumstance where it's plain wrong. Nice job.

>>106405567
Thank you very much, I'm looking into this. Still, it doesn't even show up on my Mobo SATA controller.

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Rate my new NAS mobo
So much power is going to be wasted doing relatively nothing

>>106406100
What CPUs are you putting in that?

>>106406192
E5-2690v4s
The highest clocked CPUs I'm willing to pay for
Actually disappointed to learn that these CPUs where much cheaper a year or two ago

>>106406243
How much they set you back and isn't it better to get something newer?

>>106406443
Board was $80
Both CPUs where $45
RAM is honestly the most expensive bit at $20 per 16GB DIMM and you need 8 to fill all the channels
I don't think you can get cheaper if you want PCIe lanes and memory channels.
Newer would be better of course, infect I'm using something newer right now but it's just a desktop board.

is the raspberry pi the ultimate graveyard for shit you don't want to waste resources on for your big boy machines?
I'm surprised how much abuse it can take hosting static shit

>>106406602
It's just a small weak computer, not everything needs to max out four cores, and that can be offloaded to the small machine.

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I have a reverse proxy inside a VM running Linux on a Linux hypervisor. I'm looking to change things up a little bit and migrate it to a BSD based os running the proxy in a VM on Linux. would there really be any tangible benefit to running said proxy inside a freebsd jail on a free bsd VM on a Linux hypervisor? I just kinda wanted to play with BSD but that level of abstraction is starting to sound silly with no benefit.

>>106408004
there's barely any overhead to virtualization with modern hardware, and even less with jails or containers on all hardware.

>>106408216
it's not really the performance I am worried about, but potentially making things more complicated for no real gain.

>>106408228
you said you wanted to play around with freebsd jails (the 3rd best thing about bsd after ports and of) I don't see a better way unless you want to run bare metal

>>106408238
>of
meant pf (fucking phoneposter)

>>106408238
fair enough, I'm going to try it out then.

>>106400657
It's worse, Oracle sucks as a tech company, they have pretty much used the same installer for decades and no one trusted them for a long time to use a unassisted one.

Bros I have been strictly struggling for my life with this shit
>home Internet doesn't allow port forwarding and is shit
>drop m710q tiny running opnsense on it
>lan of isp shit into usb3 nic as wan of opnsense
>servers connect to lan side of physical nic on opnsense
>all traffic gets routed into openvpn client and goes to cheap vps openvpn server where it exits my static public ipv4 and can be port forwarded
>works fine
>scale to second ovpn tunnel/vps because of downtime issues
>suddenly the router completely shits the bed after 20min of running
>spend too much time on it
I've basically come up with the idea that it is the USB nic, does this sound accurate? There's apparently some fixes using fast-io, lowering mtu to 1400.some other things, but I'm just going to install a Intel nic in the m key m.2 slot on bottom and see if it fixes it.
Has anyone had this issue when using a USB nic?
Basically after 20min it just starts dropping packets and the ui/ssh lag to shit and top is reporting that the cpu is basically pegged but doesn't show any processes consuming the resources, because it is the usb/xhci fucking eating shit from the onslaught of small packets from openvpn and scaling it to 2x just overwhelms the interrupt buffer.
Does this sound accurate? It's all I have come up with.

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i want to turn wireless debugging on to use Shizuku on my Android phone WITHOUT using any wi-fi connection ("wireless debugging" requires this and i can't find any way to bypass this without root and i don't want to root rn) or any device to set up a local hotspot.

apparently, this isn't possible, so the next best option is to get a the smallest, most portable router for a local hotspot.

is there anything smaller than GL.iNet GL-MT300N or TP-Link TL-WR802N? i'm leaning towards the GL though.
https://a.aliexpress.com/_mNHgDEp
https://www.tp-link.com/th/home-networking/wifi-router/tl-wr802n/

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Homepage is pretty great my biggest gripe is the lack of a RSS feed which is a bit disappointing.
I need to add more stuff but so far so good. still wish the RSS integration actually showed articles

>>106409401
That's stupid, just carry a second phone and toggle hotspot on

>>106409378
what services/load is it?
if its web services just run tailscale and pipe that into nginx on the public vps.
but if the usb nic is shit wont probably solve much if the load is causing the issue.

>>106409438
it's not stupid if i don't have a second phone.
if there's a dirtcheap chinkphone cheaper than these routers, shoot.

I don't know if you guys have seen Copyparty yet. It's the mpv of file servers.
>FOSS
>can edit markdown in it
>no telemetry
>can play music in it with transcoding on the fly
>download folders as zip or upload folders that automatically get converted to zip
>two text editors
And much more, made by one guy over 5 years.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=15_-hgsX2V0&pp=2Aa3Ag%3D%3D

>>106409756
"Do all the things and do an okay job" is a good philosophy

>>106409378
>USB nic
Maybe it went to sleep? Check if you have USB auto suspend enabled for it.
USB NICs are not for 24/7 use, the PCIe NIC will most likely solve it.

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Anyone uses KASMVNC in their server?
I have beefy server but shitty laptop.
Opening basic sites like airbnb/facebook crash the browser and overheat the cpu.
A browser running inside docker in the server and accessible via a browser on my laptop works much better and smoother.
Since most of the rendering is done server side.
Is this stupid?

How are the ugreen NAS? The hairy dude of our IT department has one and likes it

No I'm not self building one

What are some nodes with dedicated themes that are interesting to have in your home network? Either for usefulness or just novelty's sake.

I'm about to start mine with both old and new hardware that I acquired recently. It'll start with those three:
- Heavy processing node: my new AI rig that I'm building with a ryzen 9 9950x + rtx 4090. It will be responsible for all heavy crunching needed, expose AI gen and custom endpoints for the rest of the network. Supposed to be kept lean with only fast hardware.
- NAS-like node: will use the hardware of the gaming rig I used since 2013 until now. Not necessarily NAS-grade stuff but will handle my current rust (HDDs) that is too cumbersome to mount in my new case, then also all storage related services like file access for the rest of network, media server, torrent, custom shenanigans, etc.
- Thinkpad laptop 13": also got recently, setting it up to be a "command center" of sorts. Mostly a thin terminal to be used anywhere, and with good interfacing with both nodes above.

What do you guys thing? Those will be enough to keep me busy optimizing for a while I think and provide me a lot of utility. But after maturing their workflows I might want to expand into other nodes, any ideas you find were interesting use of hardware?

>>106410917
I don't have one myself but i have seen a lot of complaints of the included OS and software being buggy as shit, most seem to just load TrueNAS on them, and they perform decently with that.

Does anybody use an SSD in their home server? I have a 2TB boot HDD, with maybe 150GB~ in use, then x2 4TB drives for storage. I have a spare 120GB SSD in a drawer doing nothing. I'm wondering if it's "worth" swapping to this for Windows? To be honest I don't mind the longer boot times, I guess keep the 2TB if/when I ever needed the extra storage?

>>106411485
If nothing else it's one less drive spinning 24/7, because windows really doesn't like spinning down the OS drive.

>>106411515
Sorry could you expand on spinning down. Do you mean actually hibernate/shutdown/restart or just slowly chipping away it's health due to a mechanical spinning non-stop.

>>106406243
Just got 2698v4 from aliexpress but for my main computer.
What are you gonna do with it, why do you need such server?
Like my server is 4U rack but super weak J1900 celeron since I don't find usecase for anything more powerful.

>RAID protects you from DOWNTIME
>BACKUPS protect you from DATA LOSS
YOUR FACE protects you from HAVING SEX

>>106411485
Bro, you should have stopped running OSes from HDDs a decade ago.

>>106411533
Spinning down as in stopping the drive's motor to save power.

As for "slowly chipping away", it's true that a drive that is spinning and has its heads "loaded" (flying over the platters) does slowly erode the lubrication and eventually recording media and increases wear on the heads, as the drive has to read continuously to know where the heads are, but the wear caused should not be significant. Unloading ("parking") the heads is enough to avoid that, but spinning down additionally reduces wear on the spindle motor as well, at the cost of it taking like 5-10 seconds more on the next read or write.

My home network is 2.5 gb max from each of my nucs
a USB HDD has a higher max output.
Would it be fine to use USB for my remote backup jobs if I just use a external drive and tuck it behind a quiet space in my sister's house?
I have local backups but this is just a nightly job

>>106411765
>RAID protects you from DOWNTIME (unless it's btrfs)
ftfy :^)

>>106411485
I only use SSDs these days

>>106411825
>a USB HDD has a higher max output.
Unless your HDD is actually an SSD, this is a lie. 250MB/s * 8 = 2Gbit/s

>>106411721
It's more about the lanes
I'll need 3x 16 port HBAs eventually, on a regular desktop board that doesn't leave much for NICs, SSDs or a GPU if I'm feeling it
Having dual sockets is more just a consequence of those being cheaper and more available.
If I had the option of running a more modern desktop CPU but with the same lanes I likely would but that doesn't exist.

>>106411850
I think that's fine no?

>>106411888
Of course, I'm just saying one HDD will not saturate a 2.5GbE link, even at peak sequential reading. In normal operation with file fragments or multiple files being sent from different areas of the drive it will be even lower.

>>106411905
I see, So for backup jobs PCIE is not really needed?
I was thinking of shucking this external on sale for 24gb but I can't think of a reason why even for a remote device

>>106411945
*24tb

>>106411945
>So for backup jobs PCIE is not really needed?
You mean backing up to an NVMe SSD? If you only have 2.5G, it would be of limited benefit.

>>106411976
HDD 18tb drive backup to remote usb 24tb HdD

What's the cheapest nvme ssd I can use as os drive for a nas? I picked a Western Digital Black SN750 SE 500 GB for 60€ but I wonder if I can save some cash by picking something else

>>106411985
It will be capped by the speed of whichever is the slowest drive, which will be lower than 2.5Gbps.

>>106412038
Gotcha it should be a easy setup, I just need to research a nice sbc to handle the job in a corner of a room. Those external drives are having good deals at the 20+tb range

>Windows
Is docker really the future? I host qBitorrent, Plex and various VPNs using bare metal installs. Is it worth converting these to docker images?

>>106412154
Depends on the device. I like having all the packages included and segmenting everything. Using a tool like portainer makes management easy and many tools will pull container metrics by default and some dashboards allow you to manage local containers on the device.
I like easy to manage easy to reproduce builds and docker does that

Still relatively new to homeserver world. Got 2 12TB ultrastars and a 12tb barracuda for like $6.6-10/TB a year back in a ds923(SHR). So far only used 4TB. Should I go ahead and get a pair of WD Red Pro 18 or 22TB for $13.33/TB new and 6yr warranty? Figure the price and warranty would be hard to beat for the foreseeable future, replacement more reliable than ghD(12TBs are out of stock), and due to warranty and size I likely wont need to make another hdd purchase for another ~6 years(worse case scenario WDs seem to hold most of value on used market if I sell). Plus can take out the barracuda and use as cold backup. Thoughts?

>>106412208
if you wanna spend money nobody's gonna stop you but it sounds like you don't need more storage

>>106412154
Updating the things definitely is easier, setup isnt really that difficult either

>>106412524
yea I get that. I don't think I really need more storage either.
Main purpose would be to avoid being in a situation where 1+ of my current drives fails and I'm unable to get a replacement from ghD or find a good deal on a replacement. As well as starting a backup.

>>106409467
Game servers, as well as my entire Internet traffic. Full tunnel seems like what I want idk.

It seems logical to me, I bring up the second tunnel with a low priority and nothing should change and it does that but after 20ish minutes the lag starts and the firewall is just eating shit.
Toggle off the other tunnel and reboot and it's still eating shit but eventually clears up.

I've also tried leaving the second tunnel up but bringing down its gateway manually instead (normally tunnel down = dpringer shutting the gateway anyway)
And I think this was the decision factor because it was still lagging with the second tunnel simply existing

New to this. Should I go with Cloudflare Tunnel for reverse tunneling or should I go with a different service?

>>106412987
>reverse tunneling
?

>>106413024
From my understanding it would allow me to access my home server from outside my personal network, like at work, without opening it up to the entire web.

>>106413024
can get past cgnat if you can't forward ports.

I am a newb to all of this.
I know it says to not get a prebuilt NAS but all I want is a box with loads of storage that seeds 24/7 and that I can click play on when I want to watch a movie. Am I really better off with building another computer?
I don't even really know what a NAS is.

>>106411765
Backups only protect you from data loss up to the last time you did the backup. Meaning that if you're restoring from backup, then you've almost certainly lost some data. It's a retarded slogan.

>>106412987
cloudflare and disable proxy.
Don't bother with what other anon try to sell you.
They're bot posting.

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Slowly putting it together

Should I use Suwayomi-server? I use Mihon on my phone to for offline files, but having 120GB of manga on my phone is not good. Rather offload that to something that has a lot of space, like my NAS.

>>106413787
Why the moody background? Are you ok, bro

>>106413787
remind me I still need to setup oauth proxy and a homepage

>>106414377
It looks calming to me

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Does one need to do anything for Truenas/zfs if they are switching out mobo/CPU to something entirely different while keeping all drives including the boot drive the same?
I know ZFS pools need to be exported when moving between systems but if the boot drive is the same isn't the system is technically the same?

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It's jankey but it does the job

as an aside now that homelabing is a popular hobby I no longer consider it a plus in an interview setting. I now consider it like any other pleb activity where your participation signals that all you are good for is discrete process oriented tasks. basically it's a retard indicator now.

>>106413235
Yeah but we're talking about retaining 99% of your data or losing 100% of it.

>>106415190
Is it really?
Many people get tricked into overspending be it in energy or actual needed hardware. I still think it's small UK anons like all UK men talk big but cuck down every time. They haven't done shit in the tech space to help themselves.

>>106414972
hostid is saved in os drive so you're good to go

>>106415236
I can't count the amount of times I've seen or heard "homelab" through an interview process just to discover the person is an immense retard. combine with reading these threads and seeing people struggle with basic sysadmin tasks and yeah, I've developed a hard bias for the term now. but hiring juniors/tier 1s being a total shit show is a tale old as time so I guess nothing new there.

>>106415273
Well the thread is for anons of all levels and I rather the thread be more alive than not. Everyone has to start somewhere I would like to see more anons talk about their journey

>>106415190
Damn, you must be really stupid.
>some more people started doing thing so now I assume everyone doing it is a retard, even though the original people doing it are still there and unchanged
Seriously, this is actual dumb person behavior.

>>106415285
I've long since realized that gatekeeping is good. you'll come around too.

>>106415300
>t doesn't understand how the ratio changes as it becomes a popular hobby

>>106415305
As one of those anons that was helped by anons here and now have a setup that does my needs I think you really need to understand gatekeeping is a behavioral and cultural process and not a reject people of all levels. This method is how you get usurped and replaced because you can't grow your ranks

>>106415190
As someone who works in a DC, I literally have never found someone who you could say has a "home lab"
It's all full of normies who think they are "le quirky nerds" because they watch anime (only Naruto or one piece tho)
Basically no one doing shit like running fiber underneath their house, installing home assistant on some shitbox, or even having any real computational device outside of their work given MacBook/chromebook and maybe a generic gaming PC

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I'm having this problem of needing to have a dummy plug or monitor connected to my server to get sunshine to work.
Would be a way to get sunshine work with something like KasmVNC in docker container and ignore needing something connected to it?

Or try running steamOS in docker?
Really most of my games need low specs to run.

>>106415320
I think a lot of people forget the "gate" part of gatekeeping, and instead act more like wallkeepers

Would you guys recommend Seafile or ownCloud?

>>106416143
Seafile, Just try to keep it simple

wifi6e or wifi7 anons? what aps are we using

>>106415210
>losing 100%
That would only happen if you get some sick ransomware or rm -rf / by mistake. Not exactly realistic either way.
Or, that would happen if your drive suddenly died, but that's what RAID is for - no data loss.

>>106416499
Wrt54g with a modified wifi module for 7

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I have found a fatal flaw in thermalright coolers
My dreams of 2TB of RAM are crushed

Docker is like magic wtf. I usually don’t use docker for things I prefer bare metal, but I was having trouble setting up SQL server on Ubuntu 24 and for some reason the docker image just werks.

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In the end I don't think I'm running enough and will continue add to the stack

>>106416916
Can you mount them rotated 90º?

>>106417003
Looking at it and measuring the heat pipes are slightly narrower at the same point where the mounting hardware is, but DIMMs likely wouldn't clear up top as the heatpipes spread out
Airflow direction would also be better.
If the adapters where redesigned for the other orientation and you used a 92mm cooler that would likely work.
I'm not that bothered really, those black slots by the CPU are literally the lowest priority slots. If I could blow money on RAM, I'd likely have the money for the proper damn coolers.

A "minimal" config is like 128GB anyway using the primary slots only

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>>106416916
Why not just get a different cooler that doesn't cuck you with its mounting brackets?

>>106399530
>he doesn't access his headless xigmaNAS server via a web browser GUI

>>106416916
looks like it's time to order waterblocks.

>>106415436
>As someone who works in a DC
didn't ask for your opinion

>>106415300
>Seriously, this is actual dumb person behavior.
the only dumb person is (you)

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>>106417232
Because the cooler isn't actually meant to go on a narrow LGA2011 ILM at all, the white bracket is a 3d printed kludge

2011 narrow ilm cooler selection is tragic

>>106417725
you can get noctua brackets for an LGA2011 for free if you buy a cooler

>>106417725
Those heatsinks are oriented wrong, the fans are supposed to pull air from the right side of the board towards the I/O shield side. Those mounting brackets are for normal desktop boards. You need to rotate them 90 degrees because the CPU sockets are also rotated 90 degrees. Or get the proper heatsinks.

>>106417841
this
I have noctua coolers on my old board which btw is going in the ewaste soon

>>106416667
>That would only happen if
>Not exactly realistic

You can't be serious.
Corruption, electrical problem, multiple component failure, fire, flood, all manner of disasters. This is exactly what backup and disaster recovery is all about. Off-site and immutable or offline.

Plan for the worst, hope for the best.

Is it important for your homeserver with 96TB of dolphin porn? Probably not. Are you a finincial institution or a hospital with life support? No. Raid and backup aren't the same, but your backup system can make use of raid.

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What's the best way to play and emulate retrogames?
Use this?
https://emulatorjs.org

I recently moved from NextCloud Memories to Immich and Immich is far better. I also moved from NextCloud Notes to Joplin with the same experience.
I'm now wondering if I could ditch NextCloud all together. It was really easy to deploy, but now all I'm using it for is a Google drive replacement.
I use NextCloud Talk to message my wife, but I've never invited anyone else because it's shit to use compared to WhatsApp.
Is there a good self hosted messaging platform I can use to replace WhatsApp?

>>106399530
My sever started at a standard 20.04 install but this year I moved to 24.04 headless. Works well.

>>106420517
XMPP is solid but you can use Matrix too, it got lots of good clients.
Jami has video and audio calls and SIP.

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>>106421067
>Jami
What is this nigger shit?

>>106420517
element/synapse
you'll need to setup coturn outside of NAT if you're selfhosting behind NAT to make calls work

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SHould I buy this? He's asking for $1500
>Dell R730 xd
>E-5 2699 v4 x2 dual CPU
>Ram 256 gb ddr4 2400 ECC
>Power supply 1 pc
>All caddys on server
>Rails and bezel

>>106421090
Dunno, they like using those minorities for their image, even if it is Canadian, lol.

I'm starting my own business soon, and will be looking at a NAS for the office at some point. However, first priority is to find a good router that is reasonably secure. I'd do a opn/pfsense box but this is production, and I can't risk downtime for stupid fuckups. Any recommendations that just werk?

>>106421263
Get synology, and some of unifi routers

>>106421263
Get a good server a dedicate NIC and visualize everything.
Don't overengineer things you are responsible for and that are responsible for your income.

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>>106421304

>>106421346
That doesn't invalidate my advice.

>>106421350
Not him, but adds a liability to the solution.
Only supporting approved HDDs was the dumbest move they could do.

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I though I'd be asking here to get some ideas.
I recently upgrade from broadband to FTTH.
>inb4 broadband in 2025
I live in the middle of nowhere.
What can I do with old hardware like the X2 powerbeam/ X3 nanostation?
To my understanding it's just AP with really high power.
Can I do some fancy stuff with it?
>why do you have so many
Because I live in nowhere in big farm and I want to have wifi when I milk my horse.

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>>106421350
It's a bunch proprietary garbage built on top of a broken outdated version of Linux.

>>106421362
A business solution require business reliability to avoid liability.
Pretty much the walled garden apple use to keep you from fucking yourself up.

>>106421373
Mesh Network.

>>106421384
Then run arch as your server.

>>106421386
You fell for Apple's propaganda.
Their support is horrible and doing anything out of the fundamental is a nightmare.

>>106421391
got anything to follow with those?

>>106421338
>Don't overengineer things you are responsible for and that are responsible for your income.
Wise. I'm leaving my tinkering at home.
I'm thinking for now, a openwrt device will suffice. Its going to be a lawfirm, so nothing fancy, but I need to protect client info

>>106421423
I worked for years as a support for law, accountability and other firms, lol. Their needs are so trivial it's funny.
Put a good firewall, network storage and print server and most of their needs are covered.

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>>106421404
Looks like it's limited to 100Mbps but if you got enough you can connect some old wifi routers and create a small mesh for the region you want to cover.
Depends on what you want to do, how much you want to spend in time and resources.

>>106421443
Yeah, although I have this idea that a more sophisticated setup can help attract clients in Tech

>>106421491
What is this confusing diagram?

>>106421117
Yes it's a good deal

>>106422600
>E-5 2699 v4
>good deal

>>106421386
>A business solution require business reliability to avoid liability.
No it fucking doesn't. It's the same bullshit excuse vidya publishers give people as they permanently shut down games without letting people host them themselves. The only reason is for you to keep giving more money to the same people. That's all it is.

>>106422707
>No it fucking doesn't.
Yes it does.
Gaymes aren't the same here.
Stop with your straw-man fallacy.

>>106421393
What the fuck are you talking about?
You pay a premium for that piece of shit for inferior hardware you can easily make a stronger system for less if you don't include the drives
>muh size
many x86 boards be it single board or traditional completely gape that locked piece of shit
>muh software
Truenas scale ass rapes it like your father did to your dog

>>106422805
You are retard, opinion discarded

>>106423381
suffer then, retard

>>106423381
if you're advocating for Synology (which it appears, from trying to follow the reply chain) then you're in the wrong.

>>106423543
I'm advocating against the stupidity

>>106423875
I went to Synology for business website but it seems I can't get prices without a quote. I suspect a business use that makes sense, they're going to upcharge for a lot of stuff that businesses pay.
That said, if you're going to be expecting business quality support I would probably not go for the brand associated with crappy home user solutions and would rather go for truenas. As t least they can be used with whatever hard drives you want. I think that probably holds more weight for avoiding stupidity. Just stay away from Synology it's crap.

>>106421338
>router VM
>don't overengineer things
Sigh.

have you ever got free shit from companies that disposed old components?

>>106424361
A monkey can configure opnsense.

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>entire zpool shitting itself randomly
New cables are coming in the mail. Fingers crossed this unfucks this. All I wanted to do was replace a seemingly failed drive, and random parts of the pool experience random read/write failures anytime I do any sort of i/o on it.
So either my SAS card is dying, the cables are bad, or maybe I need a better PSU.
Either way, the server is currently powered down after hours of trying to solve this. Brand new hard drives (opened them yesterday) getting booted out for i/o errors when I try to replace the failing drive.

>>106424609
Mucking around with virtual routers for a business is counterproductive, even if he has the knowledge.

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>>106424611
>he fell for zfs

>>106425175
welcome to the thread.
now go back >>>/biz/
has nothing to do with zfs other than zfs telling anon his hardware is fucked.

>>106425198
I don't do crypto, i just like the bear.

>>106412987
>>106413312
I am kind of a newbie too. Why not buy a 3$ server on vps with a public IP and setup a VPN through it?

>>106425408
>Why not buy a 3$ server on vps with a public IP and setup a VPN through it?
Because this is not self hosting anymore, IMO.
Also this is what (THEY) want you to do, and any VPS can get behind a cgnat at any point and you can't do anything about it.

>>106425444
most would disagree with you. using cloudflare to bypass cgnat would be no different and possibly even less "self host" because it's their servers, not even one you rent and can "control"

>>106425444
VPS won't use cgnat, it's a ISP thing.
> THEY
You rely on Cloudfare...

>>106425587
>control
you really think that?
with CF you're using their network to route encrypted traffic.
VPS traffic get decrypted and re-encrypted.
You're raising a false flag anon.
>>106425615
>VPS won't use cgnat, it's a ISP thing.
It could change.

>>106425633
Dude, VPSes are used for actual businesses. It need and have VPNs and more

>>106425650
for now

>>106425633
>VPS traffic get decrypted and re-encrypted.
interesting you could obviously implement something where the private keys aren't on the vps so that would be demonstrably false in at least that scenario, but the alternative is that you imply they reach into your VPS and grab the private keys to decrypt the packets.
yikes what VPS and protocols have YOU been using?

>>106425653
Got you. If want to go a full schizo mode you should probably use p2p networks, meshes idk have no idea

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I'm going to do it. I'm going to switch to NixOS

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do it.
it's better than whatever else there is.

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>>106425715
>>106425698
Usecase for reproducible builds when I can do that with more fine grain control and security with proxmox?
Almost every usecase has a braindead and easy way to migrate and restore

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>nixos

>>106425797
my usecase is calling your mother a prostitute.

>>106425797
>make config file
>put it on server
>it stands up Nix exactly to what I need
>put it on my cloud server
>it stands it up exactly to what I need
it's that shrimple, yes you can make reproducible builds using other automation tools or manually going through a document you have but why waste the time?

I remember a decade ago many popular home routers could been installed with:
- openwrt
- ddwrt
- tomato
How are things today? Afaik, openwrt is still supported. But then many "old" routers are limited due to hardware capcity such as disk or RAM size.

>>106425860
get a bananapi. they have official openwrt support.

>>106417725
nice monitor fellow high end e-waste enjoyer

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>>106425829
>Backup proxmox VMs
>send it to my nas/remote backup
>stands exactly what I need down to the T
>easier to manage
>no autistic tinkering
I have enough of that already

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Fuck it

Am I right that an email server is the most important and valuable service for selfhost? 1) It's one you actually need and use everyday. 2) It's not privite by defaut unless you host it and do tls termination on a hardware you own.

>>106426287
Very little reason to host that imo

>>106426287
Good luck getting anything at all to accept mail from it, or getting sites to accept it as an actual email address. Bad actors made that near impossible.

>>106426261
>bought the lenovo instead of the HP
what a shame. The HP has the nvme in a slightly less accessible spot, but has a lot more room inside, and a couple of pre-made cutouts on the back that you can make brackets for mounting things too.

>>106426307
I have a really hard time finding services to self-host that are useful. I don't do media consumption that much; I primarily want to use my services outside of my house. So, a password manager, a google drive thingy, and email are at my top.

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my router won't let me alias to addresses and ports, so i have an rpi3 running nginx webpage with links to all my network services

>>106426345
Works on my machine :)

>>106426220
>no autistic tinkering
yeah but you have to manage proxmox now, I don't. Also there's no autistic tinkering with Nix either. Once your config is setup that's it. The same goes for your proxmox VM, you have to sit there and configure it the very first time based on what you need then you take your backup. Literally no difference unless you don't change anything, in which case sure go with something like Aurora or Bluefin then if all you need is defaults

>>106426359
They make a second nic that goes in the wifi and there is a cutout on this model but the Intel nic ones all had too short of a cable and this was about exactly as much effort as I wanted to spend fitting second nic

>>106426368
What are you hosting now?

>>106426261
you fucking retard there's a PCIe 8x slot right on top all you need to do is buy a riser and a back panel slot.

>>106426536
Bitwarden, filebrowser and email with emailwiz script

>>106426560
Tell me more, with pictures

>>106425814
>bluesky

>>106426569
You should look into paperless NGX if your hardware can handle it

>>106426287
Yes, it is the most important
That is why they won't let you do it

>>106426560
not all of them have full size pcie on top. i have 3 that don't

>>106421423
you are going to get in legal troubles. you have ABA, CJIS (if they have law enforcement clients), and potentially HHS (HIPAA) to worry about.

look up the ABA model, you have to follow it from a cybersecurity perspective as well. this includes encrypting client information in transit and at rest.

>>106426480
that's fair ig. My hp came with no wifi, so I'm toying with the idea of putting a 2.5 nic in there instead. I'm having real trouble figuring out what I want to do with the two m.2 though. I know I need a lot more storage, so I want to build a disk shelf for having storage attached to it, but I can't decide if I also want to put an oculink port for an egpu for nefarious purposes and just stick with the sata ssd,

>>106426740
Yeah for me, it was the USB nic was crashing the whole thing with no survivors so as soon as I positively identified that I overnighted the red thing and stuffed it in. Fucking immediately fixed all issues with the config I was struggling with for months

>>106426629
that's the riser card dude you buy it on ebay. the slot is on the mainboard 100% of the time. you put the riser card in the slot. then, you buy a new cutout for the NIC for the back panel.

>>106426684
I actually do business deployments and use openwrt/opnsense regularly. once you read the standards you will realize that they are a very low bar. also working on the field you will realize that most small banks and doctors offices haven't complied for years. not necessarily maliciously but just some fly by night operation sticking in some name brand box and leaving it default.

>>106426625
>>106426345
If more people did it, it would be more likely to become a norm. We should make a demand for this and complain to services who don't support custom emails. With my setup I can receive all emails, issues are ussualy with sending. So it's perfect for throwaway accounts for random sites. So, take your part, fren!

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>>106426833
OK and solder it in?

>>106426899
that looks like a pain in the dick to solder. how would you even do that, hot air?

>>106426287
correct. I can highly recommend mailcow but I had to colo it due to isp monopolies.

>>106426601
Interesting, I will take look, thx

>>106426849
you know what those non compliant businesses will do? throw you under the bus to the first possible legal authority. you are too cavalier to operate in regulated spaces.

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>>106426966
paperless is really nice. it's faily picky about what documents it can parse though.

>>106421263
What kind of business is it? Could you share?

>>106426899
that's an M710q board but you posted an M910q
here >>106426261
you fucking lying sniveling jew

>>106427021
The OCR is useful for scanning and moving documents, use synthing and you now have a fully featured document system on your phone and other devices. Take a picture of any relevant paperwork and you're good to go.

Should I pay the low voltage guy in my new house to run fiber?

>>106426987
I am compliant. I am saying they were not before.

>>106422600
KEK

>>106427565
I think he's the one selling.

>have 4 low power systems
>Can't even max them out
>not even the pi
What are anons that use big boy systems running with these rigs to need all that horsepower?

>>106427576
H@H nodes

>>106427454
If you have the money and hardware to do sfp on everything, otherwise just cat8 should be fine.

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>>106421117
>$1500
I hope you are buying an entire datacenter of those things, anon.

>>106425288
yiff in helll furfag

>>106427615
>bear
>furry
newfag

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>>106427576
stuff

>>106427718
I'm desperate to host more helpful shit
Help a brother out

I can't stop causing broadcast storms

What's the best idiot-proof "set it and forget it" OS/dashboard in your experience? I tried openmediavault on a raspi for a while but it broke after some weird glitch.

>>106427743
petabytes of tranny porn

>>106427851
Nvm then

>>106427851
You can do that but I won't

is ubiquiti a cult?

>>106427743
just a personal list of stuff I host, do what you will
>"gaming" desktop (I don't game)
>2 different development desktops
>"junk" desktop for torrents and sketchy stuff
>machine learning environment from back before AI hype
>jellyfin (finding Nemo/Dory is basically permanently cached in ram due to children)
>audiobookshelf
>mailcow
>jitsi meet for the parents, inlaws, and church groups
>obligatory NAS
>home assistant
>frigate NVR with 2 coral TPU modules
>matrix for the friends and family
>guacamole for when I'm away
>reverse proxy of course
>few websites
>wireguard
>failover pihole for when main pihole is under maintenance
>owncast for the occasional family watch party
opnsense in another box

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>>106427933
Midwitt brand, too good for openwrt but too fucking stupid for pf/opnsense

>>106427587
>h-nodes
the fuck even is this

>>106427979
openwrt is unironically better because it uses frrouting
>>106427933
mac buttbaby containment brand for people pretending they're doing networking

>>106427933
installed some dream machine pros back in the day because they were sponsoring them so we basically got them for free. they are alright, kind of reminds me of something like an iphone. they worked but everything was proprietary, had to be done exactly one way, and everything else had to be ubiqutti to play nice.

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>>106428133
I agree but they act like openwrt has aids because it's not premium enough in specs. Many faggots that buy that brand and go into the homelab space to gloat really show how much of a fucking poser they really are. There was some cry baby faggot that threw a multi day bitch fit crying because anon laughed at him for over spending and acting like it was a flex.
It has it's uses but not in a place like this if you're going to be a dick about it which they often are.
They could just admit they want a easy just works system but their egos don't let them.

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>>106410592
I used kasmvnc a lot in my bot farm
but the image is just the base image + install only necessary packages in Dockerfile, it's ended a lot lighter in the server side.
a 4vcpu+8gbram can easily run 20 firefox session with 2-3tab each, actively being used

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Is this acceptable for proxmox backups?

>>106428390
3 copies of your data? on two different types of storage media? and one off site?

>>106428416
I don't have access to off site because I don't have any family left. I might need to figure out another way I just think there's a bigger attack surface trusting a friend to hold it

>>106399530
Yes sir!

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>>106427743
preserve autism artifacts for future generations

>>106421117
$250 tops bro

>>106421117
why is that memory not balanced?

>>106399365
can a 2080/i5 4690k host a server? 16 gigs of ram.

>>106428782
a raspberry pi 1 can host a server.

>>106428782
an esp32 can host a server

>>106428782
no it'll suck power and your mom will unplug it

>>106428801
I never got into server shit, I just build computers. I just wanted too know if I need more memory or a pure server pc.
>>106428808
Im older than you think bro, I just want to make a web page and host it from a second pc. that or make a ark server.

>>106428822
literally just install nginx and you have a server.

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>>106428831
ill look into it, thanks bro.

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>>106427433
Hey my bad bro, I guess I misread it, here you go it STILL DOESN'T HAVE ONE OMG

I was about to throw this thing off the top of the building onto concrete after replacing it with something supermicro x11 but I tried this first. Even if it had a slot I'd have to get the riser and then get a nic that fits and none of that shit is overnight shipping and also cost more.
I want to go towards something else because I have redundant power in the rack and I want to slowly move everything to dual psu to take advantage of that.

>>106426287
that sounds interesting from a privacy perspective, I know businesses have their own email systems.

>>106428911
the trouble is getting MX records that won't get filtered by everyone.
you can get custom emails from places like gandi. they just cost money.

If I have say a Raid 10 array with 2-3 12tb drives, is there any benefit for 1-2 of them being a higher capacity drive like a 16tb one?

If not, is there a downside to doing that?

The actual use case is that I have 3x 12tb drives and haven't bought a 4th yet, but I'm wondering if I am considering eventually upgrading to a all 16tb drive array down the line anyways, is it fine to get a headstart and buy a 16tb drive for the fourth, and then as the other drives break I just swap in 16tb drives untill the whole thing is Ship-of-Theseus'd

Or will mixing drives from different product lines, some being SED and some not etc cause issues?

>>106428911
>I know businesses have their own email systems.
there's really only 4 players in email. you can route your mail through them for automatic trust or risk going to spam. large businesses can pay the tax and get guaranteed delivery rather than roll their own. they can host it, but they still need to relay through a "trusted" (big player approved) mail server.

>>106428924
ah so your saying if you send a email from your private email server, it will get blocked or sent into the trash as spam?

>>106428968
I see.

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>>106427851
>>106427718
>>106427743
This was a funny read, had a good laugh.

>>106428968
>>106428977
my employer used to use our own in-office mail servers for "here's all the new software features we added!" marketing emails. and yeah we struggled to stay on gmail's good side even when following all their best practices guidance.

>>106417725
>>106399365

So what the difference of a server pc than just using my old gaming pc as a server? is it just double the cpu and ram right? is it for hosting games? or hosting very large video sites im guessing? What needs this type of power?

>>106429125
Nothing other than a little bit of specialized hardware and particular hardware optimizations. The reason servers are much more robust is because they're expected to be used by a lot of people all at once, instead of one person at once.
As for who needs, it's generally more of a want.

>>106429163
fuck your right, I was thinking on a smaller scale.
I was just curious on why build it on a personal level but its a hobby for you guys like how I just build pcs. I just never got into this side of it.

>>106429125
that first pic is of 10+ year old hardware that is probably 1/4 the processing power of your basic desktop pc

>>106429249
Okay I see, I know server pcs are not meant too look as flashy (the mobo), but since I never delved into server computers I couldn't tell the difference if It was new or old.

>>106429274
what it DOES have is a lot of PCI-E ports and memory slots. that's really the difference between consumer and server boards.

>>106429284
Yeah, newer mobos really only have like 2 PCI-E ports now. I was just thinking about that. anmd yeah I always known servers have more memory.

>>106399630
If your home server needs are essentially fuck-all, yes

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>Host my own calendar

NO PARASITES ON ME!

Is there an easy solution to powering multiple sata drives, or am I going to have to do something unholy and kludge together something with usb pd.
Is the 3.3v actually important?

>>106428938
>>106428938
>>106428938
bumping

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If I
>want to have an attached storage with lots of expandable space
>no plans to use it in a network or access it via the internet through other device
>no plans to have tv access it
>doesnt cost an arm and a leg to run
should I get a DAS or a NAS? just need lots of HDs that stores my JAVs

>>106426859
That was common practice years ago and that didn't make it more acceptable. I think an email server or a LAMP was the first thing people studying to be a Linux sysadmin would do.
Then again, I am in moment in life that I would rather select things that work the way I want then to bend over to corpos.

>>106421792
HAM mesh, you use HAM for large range and provide wifi connection via the router. you can power it via PoE.
Ubiquiti has some material on it but it's very basic, but if you look for examples you can get the configuration.

>>106430301
DAS is less effort but NAS lets you put it in a different room

>>106430615
Fuck you're right. My PC is in my room right now and I turn it off whenever I go to bed. Maybe NAS would be better. I think there was a greentext by anon a few threads ago how noise itself would break your brain.

>>106410592
>>106428231
Buddy, this is the most interesting thing I have read here in a while.

>>106428428
Sorry to hear that anon, but you can just use an offline container you can rent if you really need it.

>>106430629
I mean the disks might spin down when you turn off your pc, may depend on the model

>>106426261
Based schizo

>>106426560
>there's a PCIe 8x slot right on top
No, there's the headers but the controller board isn't there.
Maybe if you used these you'd know that instead of larping.

>>106427591
Single unit

>>106428831
that's http server

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>>106430607
I was thinking more like point to point mesh like so
>>106430615
You can combine DAS to any PC and you get NAS

>>106430740
Depend on the area and geography of what you want to cover and how many you got. Either work.

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>>106430639
Thanks man.
I got this idea because I kept running into issues while browsing JS heavy web site with poor optimization on desktop, while the phone webapp runs like charm.
I have a fully maxed out T60 which I like and can do must what I want except some websites, but I have fully functioning albeit small mini PC I use as retro game machine.
So I tried the Firefox image and was surprised, it even had audio and used HW accelration.
Which made me think, can it be used to run games? like with wine and such, without bothering with a connected monitor.

>>106430759
What advantage does your ham mesh has over this?

i have a NAS RAID 5, 10 terra
and i have no idea what to do with this either than SMB/SSH for storage and backup.
i used it for shit like PXE boot and DHCP for the lols and plex for media streaming but idk what else

>>106428900
>Even if it had a slot I'd have to get the riser and then get a nic that fits and none of that shit is overnight shipping and also cost more
neither was the m2 NIC you retarded idiot. next time do some research.

>>106410592
I'd say it is rather ingenious.

>>106410592
This is probably the best way to use your home server

>>106430740
>Sender <-> Receiver
As a professional nitpicker, they're both transceivers.

>>106430802
The old terminal concept returned in full bloom with cloud computing, it's nothing more natural you do it like that. I have some loads I isolate in VM but the access could always use some love, so this KASMVNC is quite my vibe.

>>106431464
This is why you're an idiot

>>106431886
Citation needed.

>>106431886
In order to be functional network hardware, they need to be able to both "trans"mit and re"ceive", making them both "trans""ceive"rs

Thoughts on non-NAS rated drives for media storage?

>have 2x20TB drives in RAID 1
>it's only used for Plex stuff, so movies, tv shows, music
>almost filled the 20TB, so looking at expanding it
>realized I could just get a Barracuda for 2/3rd the price and just backup my files to cold storage

>>106432329
why do you need to put "trans" in your posts?
Who's paying you?

>>106428938
>>106429928
bumping again

>>106428938
>I'm wondering if I am considering eventually upgrading to a all 16tb drive array down the line anyways, is it fine to get a headstart and buy a 16tb drive
Headstarting with a larger drive means the larger drive might also die by the time you can upgrade the rest of the smaller ones.

>>106430740
that pic is stupid

>>106432355
just pay extra for nas drives