every thread about this so far has been bitching but genuinely what is going to happen? will this actually be pushed through or will companies and consumers actually push back against this? its hard to imagine this does get put through since it will actively remove most reasons companies use android. if it does get pushed through, will it be easily sidestepped?a better discussion thread
we need a android/ios alternative
>>106422449Spam this same thread for the 100th time and pretend that used Galaxy S8-S20 phones have been wiped from existence.
>>106422449Start your own competitor. It is a free market.
>>106422449It can't be helped. It's over.
>>106422473this thread is about actually thinking about whats gonna happen and/or how to resist it rather than just circklejerking how much we hate google. learn to read shit for brains
>>106422483Maybe don't start off the thread by making it sound like you're that guy that rhymes with GAY.Anyway the used S8-S20s will buy us some time because Samsung doesn't update their shit.
>>106422449have two separate phones. one for banking shit with a stock rom and then another with a custom rom, fully rooted for all other needs.
>>106422524-Howabout youStop name fagging-Quit acting like a faggot-Stop bitching about every goddamn thread you think isnt intetesting-Quit existing on this plane of existenceIf you do the last one first it solves the first 3 instantly. Then there will be no more pain for you.
>>106422449you can protest against this buying an iphone. vote with your wallet
Buy stuff from Murena, or suck it up and keep buying Linux phones until it doesn't hurt anymore.
>>106422752>you can protest against this buying an iphone. >vote with your walletGo from limbo to straight hell, fantastic idea, dumbass.
>android in 2010:do whatever the fuck you want>android in 2025:iOS with ads
>>106422449android'll probably be "forked" by a major manufacturer (probably samsung) and one of the custom roms will be picked up by one of those privacy phones and they will have devs moving betwen it and ubuntu touch whenever they have an arguement.Then in 5 years the dust settles and we'll see who won.also there will be an eu version of android without the sideload id tracking and until the solution is finalized we'll all just use the eu phone/rom
>>106422449>for Android App Developers>for App DevelopersI'm sorry, how is this a bad thing? No longer will Jeets and Chinks be able to push out AI slop without being verified.
>>106422852its called grapheneos
>>106422874>privacy fork>relies on google's binary blobs>only works on pixel
>>106422874Nah itll be lineageGraphene is too wacky and people will still want to use google maps without it being a federal fucking issue
>>106422449Literally chucked my pixel after it shit itself horrible phoneBased redmi 13 pro has none of these issues
>>106422910omg LiTeRaLy
>>106422449STOPUSINGANDROID!TERRIBLEJAVABASEDOS!
>>106422470Use Ubuntu Touch or Sailfish OS lol
>>106422852>also there will be an eu version of android without the sideload id trackingA lot of the EU nations are in favour of ID tracking retard. They want to know everything you do on your devices now. There are only a few nations who don't want it, or are at least not openly supporting it.
>>106422449it started with ID verification for porn websites in the US, then in the EU, and not even a couple of months later Spotify mentioned enabling it for some of their strong language tracks, then we get this for Android and so on... and so on... and so on... this is only the beginning.
>>106422852>probably samsungyou kidding, right? Scamsung is the most pozzed of all android's OEMs. Their phones are the most locked down pieces of hardware you can buy and their store is pure, distilled, ass cancer.
>>106422449At this point, the only real definitive solution for this would be for some rogue multibillionaire to develop a new open smartphone platform and OS, create his own phone brand and put devices for sale with competitive pricing and lots of marketing push
>>106424132maybe elon could buy jolla, throw few hundred milly around and get a third os in the ring, but he's a retard chasing robots, muh space colonization, agi and definitely a dumb iphone user who never touched cli
>>106422546Good luck with that, what phones even support rooting and custom ROMs nowadays? None, and that ones that do are controlled by Google, what's to stop them from implementing hardware DRM and require APKs things like TPM to even run?
Android sissies... we lost. Grim.
>>106422899open street maps
>>106422478>It is a free marketoh anon...
>>106422899>people will still want to use google maps without it being a federal fucking issueWhat? How is using graphene a crime?
>>106424223>what phones even support rooting and custom ROMs nowadays? NoneWhat!?Aren't there a lot of phones with custom ROMs?I've filtered the devices on LineageOS with pic related and dozens of phones show up.
>>106422899>a federal fucking issueWhat in the flying fuck are you talking about?
>>106422524Run GrapheneOS or basically you're just unironically stupid. No samdumb no ibinkie!
Anjeets BTFO
>>106427275or you can get a motorola and flash lineage os on it
>>106427320>lineage
>>106422449buy a dumbphone>>106422842this
>>106422449My plan is to buy a Pixel tablet for my next grapheneos phone, buy an openwrt compatible router, buy a USB cellular modem, and buy a battery powerbank, and integrate it into a bag of some sort so I have my own roving cellular hotspot. OpenWRT will give me the flexibility to control my network traffic and ensure it's routed over (more) secure transports than just the open cellular connection. As for telephony, I can have that easily covered with VOIP for any PSTN needs. The main idea is to get the baseband processor completely off the application processor hardware!
There's a book by Lenin with that title. lol
>>106422449100% there will be a way round it, this is just hot air and clickbait a phone you buy off the shelf for your grandmother might have something like this installed and thats a good thing for when they go to googil.com and install google.apk at worst there will almost certainly be an ADB preference you can use for the above average F-Droid user to turn this off /thread
>>106427554So there are some travel routers that allow IMEI faking and you can set them up with sillent.link but it's tedious.Pixel Tablet is already pretty old and you aren't gaining a lot of security here compared to just using your phone directly with a vpn. I've thought about similar setups for a while and if you really dig into it (like autistic 50 hours of research) you realize that you either use public wifi or deal with tracking form the phone companies.
They already kind of have this in place. If you want to publish your app to the Google Play store and monetize it, google forces you to provide your real name, a phone number, and an address due to draconian EU laws or something. I had been working on an app for a few months before looking into publishing it and discovering this.I don't remember if this also applies to the Apple App Store
>>106422478It’s actually so free that successful competitors will make sure you fail
First, wait to see if anything actually happens. The thing hasn't even been beta'd . Next, this is not at the user end but the dev end. Is it shitty? Absolutely. However its ostensibly about dealing with Ruzzia, Huehues, Chinkware, and other places where there's a lot of crazy bullshit, so it may not be rolled out the same way in every country or platform. Do not buy a fucking iPhone, its even worse. Realize that even if this doesn't get totally shitcanned during beta thanks to developer pushback, its probably going to be some sort of SafetyNet thing which we know, there are workarounds. Custom ROMs, unlocked bootloaders, magisk and rootless etc.. I've been able to run a banking app on a phone with an unlocked bootloader and magisk installed (not activated , but they used to bitch about it even being found by the OS). In addition, FDroid and sideloading will continue and Google will be shootin themselves right in the dick if they try to make that stuff obtuse. So ultimately while it is a concern, lets not doomscroll and freakout about it until it actually comes to fruition. Ironically one of the Pixels may be the best option as its the device that is used for development at the highest rates and allows users to override and use dev options, while of course having AOSP builds. So for now, keep your eyes out.
>>106428529If it is for devs, then it makes some sense, though who will be the one to do it if it is a huge multinational company? The CEO?
>>106428529Not all phones have bootloaders, thoughI just paid 700$ for a Zenfone 10 a few months ago for example since it's the only fucking phone made since the S10E that isn't fuckhuge, still has a headphone jack, and either had a SD card slot or at least 512gb of internal storage, and Asus "claimed" they would release a bootloader for it but never did
>>106428459and of course this information isn't just for google, it's actually publically available on the play store listing so that any psycho can show up to your house and luigi's mansion your ass if you want to self publish
>>106422449Android Sistas, we got cocky and now iToddlers are mogging us with sideloading...Has that Congressional hearing about Googles Monopoly gone anywhere?
>>106424223Shiftphone 8, just came out, supports custom ROM and sd expansion
>>106430315Actually it's Google enshittifying Android to match iOS's shitty "sideloading" which also requires verificationIf Apple has gotten away with it so will googlel
>>106430512Why did Jewoogle and Samsung/Worst Korea suddenly decide they need to make make knock off iPhones that are ironically even more expensive anyway? I remember Samsung originally made fun of Tim Cook for removing SD card slots and the aux port and then quietly doing the same thing.It's like they forgot what made Android appealing in the first place.
>>106422470>>106423730The problem is that bootloaders for Android devices are all locked down and you have to build custom OS images for each specific device.
>>106430611only autists want sd card slots and aux ports.there is more normie cattle than there are autists.samsung is a business (wants to make money), not a daycare for autistic neets that can't afford $1000 phones.
>>106422449Total Smartphone Death
>>106430821NTA. I do have $1000.I refuse to pay that much for the phone,l. Especially for one, which does less than my $700 S10e did.
>>106430851>doesn't buy a new phone every year>wonders why samsung doesn't cater to him
>>106430868Then there is no loss if I replace my galaxy with a smartphone from the other brand.Samsung did not need me as a customer anyways.
>>106422449>make your own phone>use old, outdated phones, unsecure on older versionsI'll be switching to iPhone for my normalfag phone the day they block side loading.
>>106430755>the problem is it was a giant glownigger psy-op honeypot from the very beginningMany such cases. Also I just heckin love it when big tech companies grift about 'muh environment' while simultaneous manufacturing destined to become E-waste. The only company I can think of that's actually practicing what they preach is Fairphone last I checked.Also the whole Google luring people in with the promise of a 'secure and customizable' phone always did feel like a big red flag, I mean compared to most of the competition sure but you can bet on top of Qualcomms backdoors Google also added a few of their own before they started commissioning their own shit anyway from TSMC or Samsung or whatever... Plus in some LatinX countries like Spain cops absolutely will harass you if they catch you with one since from their perspective it's le epic hax0r drug dealer phone and not just a phone for nerds an spergs, lol.
>>106422449i only use my phone for work purposes.when i get home from work, i turn it off and put it in an isolated room where there is no reception.i never connect it via my home router not even with a vlan or whatever, never create a single handshake.phones are a compulsion. i treat it like a dangerous substance that i have to use sometimes, but when i'm done, i lock it away so that it doesn't interfere with any aspect of my life. i don't think there's any other way these days.
>>106422449It'll absolutely be pushed through.
>>106422852>android'll probably be "forked" by a major manufacturerUnlikely, maybe they'll use HarmonyOS at best>there will be an eu version of android without the sideload id trackingNo, they'll be advocating for it in fact
