>>106423328
It's gotta be that kievan-rus ancestry.

Autism and lifetime of paranoia, that's it. My wife is a Russian computer scientist with a masters degree from Moscow University (red binding for any Russians lurking) and it's clear it's just some latent autism. Especially as she's not very smart outside of programming at all. She knows nothing about history or politics to the point where I'm the one lecturing her about Russia and it's history (I'm western)

>>106423410
Real reason is the communists literally erased their own history.

>>106423328
Soviet discipline and emphasis on education.

>>106423328
It's not that every single other culture are good programmers or good at math, is that American are less and less studying concrete subjects and more following trendy bogus

>>106423533
>"AI, write me this app!"
What's the problem?
Americans are culturally integrating the AI economy before it's even arrived.

>>106423555
The problem is that programmers are understanding less and less of the technology, and there's a lack of people to maintain and make new stuff
It reached a point it's too costly to hire an American that knows stuff, compared to some random Indian who lack the manners but at least learned something
What's good is AI if you can't even describe the problem accurately or notice flaws/improvements?

>>106423328
They're not. They produce jank

>>106423443
Huh? You cannot erase history

>>106423645
somebody tell xem

>>106423645
>You cannot erase history
What was life truly like in Ancient Egypt?

>>106423328
idk but taking a glance at that guys feed, he is master of shitposting.

>>106423410
>Especially as she's not very smart outside of programming at all.
Most people who are experts at masters/PhD level in any field tend to be like that.

>>106423328
A sincere and abiding distrust of jews encoded at the DNA level.

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>>106423328
Not sure. It might be free education, "work smart not hard" mindset, easy access to computers but not to cutting edge tech/engineering etc. Focus on practicality in communism era might have contributed too.

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>>106423328
Have you seen eastern euro video games? They're all jank as fuck.

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>>106423493
It's this. Their math education is much harder and far more extensive. American public schools can't have proper math classes because it would filter basically all of the blacks and Mexicans. 99% of black Americans couldn't pass a grade 4 Russian math class even if they dedicated the rest of their life to it.

>>106423328
I think they have an appreciation for how much worse life could be without their nice office job and so they take it very seriously.

>>106424214
This is complete bullshit

>>106423328
For me, because I was born very poor and I was taught early on that your brain is your way out of this kind of poverty.
Qualifications may not be understood internationally, but if you can say "Codeforces red" on your CV, you can force someone to pay attention to you and give you a shot.
Even moderate success in these fields can bring a complete change to your life. So you take it very seriously.

>>106423410
That probably comes with being Russian tbf

>>106424281
No it's not. American math education is objectively a joke. Russians and Asians are doing American college level math extremely early in their public education. Russians start calculus and topology in grade 3 and 4 while most American public schools won't even touch the topics at all.

>>106423328
Partly genetics for sure, but also partly being a fairly poor country with a slow pace of life and an actually very good quality public school system. The former soviet union was mostly known for it's theoriticians and well in an age where information is pretty much tangible monetizable and cheap computers are plentiful etc, it's like catnip for them.

>>106424431
*its theoriticians

>>106424419
Also, white and Asian Americans should be upset that their children are being robbed of a decent education but they're pathetic and will sacrifice their children's education so that Tyrone can pass as well.

>>106423328
They learn programming and math by heart through a lot of repetition and never develop true problem solving skills.

>>106424521
That's exactly how people get FAANG jobs, though, by memorizing problems and their algorithmic solutions.

>>106423493
phahahaahahahaha.
Yeah these retards that lagged behind in every industry or science they could steal or copy.
They are the reason some autists 30 years after the whole shitheap collapsed are considered "good"

>>106423328
they aren't.

>>106423493
academics are biblical levels of bad at engineering.

>>106424677
They did steal alot but in their defense their government was retarded.
And still is.

>>106424714
Because the people are. Russia has more whites, but far worse industry, and nearly the same crime rates as the negro states of america. Kinda speaks for itself

>>106424754
That is true. I am definitely not disagreeing with that.

>>106423328
Nothing else to do for bullied poor guys with nothing but a dream and a computer

>>106424521
repetition and memorization are the base tools and techniques that problem solving skills apply onto
the idea that they are mutually exclusive is why the west sucks at both

>>106424281
NTA but if you skip most prestigious universities, it's rather true.
I studied CS in Poland and my friend was in UK. Already on bechlor's degree we were writing compilers, proving complexity classes, used multiple functional languages, worked with formal grammars, logic, abstract algebra etc. He barely had any math beyond basics like graphs and asymptotic complexity and stuff like that and just did basic software engineering most of the time. It's worth noting I was in rather good school and he was in rather bad one, but still the difference was drastic. Another friend of mine who was studying in an average polish technical university couldn't really keep up with all the math and moved out to UK and finished it without any issues.

>>106424929
No the west sucks because it was undermined on purpose and has to deal with infinite niggers, education dropped off a cliff during civil war reconstruction and has subsequently gotten worse every generation since as the population of shitty people grew.

>>106424942
Calling software engineering is a joke

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>>106424214
lol you guys really come on here and say shit huh

>>106424521
That's asians. We actually focus on problem solving instead of pointless memorization.

>>106423328
they are poor

>>106423645
>Huh? You cannot erase history
But you can rewrite it if you're the victor.

>>106425010
That's not true. Eastern Europeans simply memorize problem patterns. That's why they perform well in competitive programming competitions.
Asians do the same thing.
The reason why Americans don't perform well in any of these when you remove Asian-Americans is because Americans have a much more honest culture where memorizing something is viewed as a form of cheating.

>>106423328
Because EE is a shithole, i got outside i see literal monkeys and braindead baboons so not much to do outside better stay in and do whatever.

>>106424942
>>106424966
You can't educate everyone in your country to a college level and have enough jobs available as middle managers.
We still need blue collar workers, that's why we keep education shitty enough so things even out. A country with too many white collars means nothing gets built and they need to give jobs away to foreigners.

>>106423328
Autism.

t. autistic engineer with my personal labs both in office and at home

>>106423668
Why does so little remain of king akhenaten?

Education is heavily focused pn math and physics which are both logically methods so of course they feel at home with electronics and programming, high affinity with computers

Not every eastern european is a programmer though, but the ones that are are good ones

>>106423328
this is the lamest tweet ive ever read

>>106423328
They are not indians and started learning programming on hardware that was extremely capped in performance, so they had to learn efficient coding practices from the start.
Also they don't have to chase trendy garbage like the latest javascript framework or PHP cms, instead they just get shit that works.

for ex. when they want to do a hello world for a web app, it will be a html file saying hello world, not a nodejs project with 120 dependencies and some javscript code to inject hello world into the root xml space.

>>106425802
Twitter is full of those these days. I mean, it probably always was, but that's the kind of fashion tweet that goes viral

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>>106424281
It's not bullshit, a black kid who does good in school will be ostracised by his peers for being too white. Also most public school and even universities lower their standards so more people from every ethnic background can pass.

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>>106425006
oh yeah, good old Rakim of Oakland.

>>106425992
>for some reason
Oh barkely, you work in the media industry, you should know by now
>>106426005
Wonder how rakim felt about windows xp

>>106423328
first world intellect, third world income

>>106425060
That's just cope. High level programming competitions involve far more than memorization and the reason Americans don't do well is because they're lazy and almost always retarded. Asians and eastern Europeans dominate at the hardest parts of CS and that's largely due to their extensive math education. Americans are generally competing against Indians for retard jobs in shit tier disciplines like web development.

>>106424281
True, because most blacks can't do any math at all. Many can't even do simple multiplication.

>>106423410
How do you expect her to know history or politics if all she does is study programming? It's not like this is knowledge that just spontaneously generates

And yet they have not produced a single thing of value. Incredible.

I can't find these eastern european unis in the rankings

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>>106427020
sounds like american cope
>muh uni
kek
imagine paying for a fuck in the ass
when talent cultivators pay their students instead and they dont queue for a job

it sucks ass to be an amerinigger
'explains where the cope comes from though

>>106423328
as a slav myself, I can definitely say it boils down to autism

>>106427049
change your wording please
autists of this board actually thought autism is not a hard mental handicap
and they became insufferable when their ego gets a boost

>>106427042
The EU literally has to just charge various American corpos to keep from going bankrupt because not one single person has ever or will ever pay for European software or services. Because they are shit. Your entire economy is built on leeching off American megacorpos and Trump is making sure that is coming to an end.

>>106427064
>more cope
yeah yeah whatever lets you sleep at night, amerigolem retard

>>106427077
Keep importing shitskins to rape your children and then and then put the kids in jail when they fight back you absolute mongoloid.

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>>106427105
>meawhile in weimerica
cope is more american than apple pie

>>106427140
>literal steps being taken to rid us of the leftist menace and momentary ractions
>the same as euros flat out bending over and begging sandniggers to fuck them in the ass
We are not the same.

>>106427178
>We are not the same.
of course we arent
im not a delusional retard looking for cope to distract myself from the problems i have at home

your country is a complete shithole filled with human filth
youre a prime example thereof

>>106427205
Everything you have posted is cope. You offer no rebuttal to the fact zero people outside of Europe want or pay for European based software or services. Zero innovations have come out of Europe in the past 80 years. Europe wholly relies on the US for all defense and would be erased militarily if we left. Europe subsidizes all local industries by taxing successful American corpos instead of providing anything of value. You are and especially your women froth at the mouth about importing shitskin hordes. Your disgusting whore women get on their backs, pussy up, and say "IMMIGRANTS WELCOME!" as the lightbulheads get off the boats. The few sentient little girls that realize what is happening and don't want to get raped decide to fight back, and are immediately put in jail. Meanwhile the shitskins are released because "they don't want to be perceived as racist". You are clowns. You are a parody of the people who came before you. You cry about nonexistent Nazis as your culture is completely and utterly collapsing. Your ancestors would cut your heads off.

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>>106427274
>You offer no rebuttal to the fact zero people outside of Europe want or pay for European based software or services.
none needed
ur just motherfucking retarded

and to show you just how much... picrel.
dont take it as a rebuttal
its an insult

>>106427274
Go look at the names on any CS paper in the last 20 years or the names of people that work on actually hard problems at FAANG or in finance. There are no white Americans involved in anything difficult. You're web developer scum and are justifiably being replaced by jeets that work for pennies.

>>106427315
Lol. Literally the single company posted every single time. And it is entirely funded and staffed by Americans. Euros post this and no other companies because they have no other companies.
>>106427350
Papers straight up mean nothing. Actual products matter.

>>106424419
there's no way a 3rd grader is doing calculus
probably bait but still
schools are gay, but 3rd grade being calculus is not going to be standard anywhere no matter the schooling. Maybe 9th or 8th is possible, early years like elementary are wasted on repeating the same math even when everyone understands it, but algebra, geometry, trig, and precalc need time of their own

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>>106427372
>Lol. Literally the single company posted every single time.
>moving goalposts

such is the amerinigger cope
on another note: funny how youre forbidden by law to boycott pissrael, slave

>>106427372
>Actual products matter.
>"brooooooo we're so smart we made another website that says "ai-powered pet food finder SUBSCRIBE here!"
>"those fucking retards doing math in academia probably never made a single dime off a SaaS like we do! This is where the real genius lies!"
yeah you're a dumbass

>>106427274
Guy from a country that is 50% white mocking Europeans for having countries that are now only 80% white.

>>106427409
hes a subhuman
cant even face his reality

such is the american disease

>>106427372
The actual core components of all of FAANG are being produced by eastern Europeans and Asians. White American males are relegated to slop jobs with the Indians.

>>106427409
America isn't even remotely close to 50% white. They include Mexicans in that stat because they know the truth is much, much worse.

>>106427390
>>106427394
>>106427409
>>106427431
>>106427448
Whole lot of pretending everything I said is wrong even though it is right. Literal cope.
>>106427448
If the core is so important why does nobody pay for it? People could come up with that shit in a day. Selling actual functional products is more important but you tards genuinely cannot see that.

>>106427471
>Whole lot of pretending everything I said
no pretending whatsoever

ur wrong bc youre retarded
and youre retarded bc youre american

Romania is winning a bunch of Math Olympiads recently, thanks to their highly competitive math tutoring, which even award teachers. It's a shame because they nurture these fucking wizards, then they all leave the country. lol
Just read an article about it: https://www.palladiummag.com/2025/08/29/why-romania-excels-in-international-olympiads/

>>106427384
mate they just have dumbed down versions of it for kids. things they would never even bother to attempt in our countries because of the dead weight burdens who would just drool, freak out and rip up the books even if it was made into child friendly puzzle logic

>>106423328
They aren't better programmers at all. You'll rarely find Russian repos or devs trending on GH.
They have more of a culture of grinding at C/C++. That's great but you need more than that to succeed. Otherwise you end up like Tsoding Daily.

For reference, today's top 10 trending devs are two Poles, two Japanese, two Chinese, two Germans, one Indian, and one Arab. This is based on surnames so some of them might be US-based.

>>106427613
>today's top 10 trending devs are two Poles
thats east europe. and theyre 30M pop, making them extremely overrepresented

also the lack of americans is very noticeable
not that its worth much as stats

fukken github popularity?
how does that relate to quality/complexity of code? are you completely fucking retarded?

>>106427613
youre not a programmer goy unless u use the public microsoft git ecosystem and engage with the social dick waving/sucking like i do!
why the fuck would you ever care about that?
sure sure retarded "get discovered, get popular, get made" but thats all coming from a position of needs.
in this theoretical scenario, russian spergs that dont sit on github all day, are already employed, they dont need your social dicksuck.

>>106426991
The different between high and low IQ people is the speed at which they absorb information, if you are "specialized" in a single topic and you're only good at that it means you are just a retard with good education, Russia is quite famous for having good education when it comes to STEM fields, especially engineering, programming, math and more, it's even more interesting that the soviet union invested so much into that, that Russia during the USSR and now was one of the few countries were women were close to 50% of students enrolled in these fields and also performed well, unlike western countries.
tl;dr, they have good education programs for these fields and the roots of them started in the soviet union.

>>106427459
No, they count mexicans as white only in criminology. When it comes to population statistics, mexicans are counted as hispanics.

>>106427613
>You'll rarely find Russian repos or devs trending on GH.
The best people in CS and software development aren't working on open source projects ffs. They're working deep in FAANG, finance or defense. The people working on open source projects are nowhere near the top.

>>106423328
They aren't. My last job outsourced engineering to poland. They fucking sucked just as much as pajeet.

>>106427651
When people talk about Eastern Europe, they're usually talking about former Yugoslavia or the former USSR.
Poland isn't some Eastern European 'other' anymore. They're as familiar as the Greeks, who are also geographically eastern.
We wouldn't say East Germany is Eastern European because they were part of the Warsaw Pact at one point.

>>106427651
>>106427682
GH matters because it gives you an idea of the sort of people that's producing useful code. You can't build an IT industry on competitive programmers. You need "simple" people working with stuff like Python and Javascript too. Most programming work is webdev and the trendy sector is LLMs after all.

>>106427720
>>106427720
Russians would be more likely than others to be working on open source projects because they don't have access to FAANG jobs.
If anything, I'm underestimating Chinese developers because they're less likely to be on GH. They have their own alternative(Gitee).

>>106427140
Do you really WATCH these OUTRAGE MERCHANTS that MANUFACTURE the WORLD ENDING every FIVE HOURS so you CLICK and give that AD REVENUE and how are you not ANNOYED by the CAPS LOCK headlines?

>>106427758
>sample size of 1
+ poland has gotten a bad case of hohols
10% of the pop are now ukrop retards

>>106424281
Yeah no, the entire US education system is centered around ensuring a large enough proportion of minorities are able to make it through to the end and get a rubber stamp saying they did it which has meant absolutely eviscerating standards over time.

>>106427764
>they don't have access to FAANG jobs.
Yes they do.

>>106423443
That happened in China not Russia you retard.

>>106423328
CS education is better when you have to use older software and hardware, because you are forced to learn how it works in order to use it.

>>106427778
It's insane that so many Americans don't realize this. Your grade 12 math is easier than math we did in grade 3. Asian Americans understand this and often get advanced math tutors to augment their kid's shitty public school education.

>>106427764
>When people talk about Eastern Europe, they're usually talking about former Yugoslavia or the former USSR.
idc, people are retarded
and east germany was never east europe

>GH matters because it gives you an idea of the sort of people that's producing useful code.
again, thats motherfucking retarded
wintrash is perhaps the most used piece of software and its jeetware
vidyaslop is way more popular than pro tools
webshittery is the most widespread form of programming but it yields the worst quality thereof

and you know fuck all about stats
god you ameriniggers are retarded

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>>106423410
>She knows nothing about history or politics to the point where I'm the one lecturing her about Russia and it's history (I'm western)
Let me tell you about your country

>>106427799
2nd year science course college in America math is basically high level discrete math and differential equations so I don't know what you tards are implying. Is there some higher level math 2nd year euro college students learn? And more importantly, is it even remotely relevant or useful in the real world?

>>106427835
its that or superior genes
your pick

>>106427802
I don't see Russians creating better games, better apps, or better operating systems.
95% of Russian use an operating system produced and maintained in America.
Most Russians play American games. Russians have their own apps, but I don't see any indication they have better quality code. They're also all completely reliant on frameworks and languages developed in America.

>>106427780
Obviously not at the scale of American citizens. Especially not in the current political climate.

>>106427799
>It's insane that so many Americans don't realize this
All a nigga sees is all a nigga knows.

>>106427856
Seems like a whole lot of retarded cope to me but I could be wrong.

>>106427866
>I don't see Russians creating better games, better apps, or better operating systems.
>eastern europe is russia

wow
youre completely retarded
a total fucking imbecile
i spoke with a hydrocephaliac arab and he was less retarded than you are
i doubt your iq registers above 80

>>106427866
>Obviously not at the scale of American citizens
95% of FAANG employees were born outside of America. There are very few native American citizens and the few that exist work on grunt work like web development.

>>106427901
youre retarded so its a safe bet that youre wrong
ill prove it to you right now
>if it isnt education, or genes
>what would make it so that programmers coming from a certain region are better than all the rest?

>>106427919
The fact that you think programmers from Europe/Eastern Europe are even remotely on the level of silicon valley Americans tells me everything I need to know (that you are fucking dumb as shit).

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>>106427960
>pathetic attempt at being insulting
ur seething.
good. this should be your baseline reality

>>106427909
It only gets worse outside of Russia. I'm being charitable by using Russia. Would I prefer I use Serbia?
Even Linux mostly has American developers and the Linux Foundation is headquartered in America, so you could argue 100% of Russians use an American OS. The only reason I didn't count Linux as American is because Linus is Finnish. But it's not really a Finnish-led project.

>>106427913
It's the opposite. The foreigners mostly do the grunt work and the higher-ups are usually American-born.
Even if we segregate exclusively by immigrants, it's China leading the pack, not Russia. There are 19 China-born US billionaires, but there are only three from Russia.
There are twice as many billionaires born in Iran and almost four times as many born in Israel. Even the most prominent Russian billionaire (Sergey Brin) is Jewish and isn't really fond of Russia. He famously called Russia "Nigeria with snow".

>>106428012
doesnt matter what you would use
bc it would be retarded just the same <3

>>106428026
I'm not trying to offend you. I like Russia and I love Russians. It's just not the case that Americans are inferior and Russians are superior.

>>106428012
>It's the opposite. The foreigners mostly do the grunt work and the higher-ups are usually American-born.
You are absolute retard tier delusional.

>>106428044
yeah but youre still being retarded, as i said
like a braindead amerinigger
when confronted with evidence you cope.
bc its all you have since you have neither skills nor heart nor money

>>106428056
american.
hes american
its a sexually transmissible disease
it makes you fat, impotent
turns your eyes black like coal for some reason
and makes you abysmally retarded

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>muh sillycone volley brogrammer
oh no! competing with those grifter must be vewy hawd!

>>106427777
Mr Poland defence minister, I'd expect you to keep catching russian drones with your mug, which is your direct responsibility, than pondering on subject of population
>>106423328
All replies on memorization being primary source of EE's advantage in STEM being subpar to original thinking or something seems to ignore that a) Can't do science without knowing the rules b) Memorizing more things helps you recognize patterns
And on the fact that EEs haven't produced many apps used in the west -- that's business climate of USSR and post-USSR rather than lack of something that helps you build a complete software and sell it

>>106428091
>more attempts at being insulting
but anon
youre beneath me
the only way you could be insulting towards me is to pretend were equals

>>106428075
Feel free to post the massive multi billion dollar successes of Poland and Russia. I have a lot. LOT. Of time. I can wait.

>>106428096
>btfod on technical stuff
>quick fall back on money
even then chyna mogs you the fuck and back

>>106428065
>>106428056
Let's look at our three largest companies by market cap.

Look at Nvidia's leadership.
https://investor.nvidia.com/governance/management-team/default.aspx

Look at Microsoft's leadership.
https://news.microsoft.com/source/leadership/

Look at Apple's leadership.
https://www.apple.com/leadership/

>>106424214
Not really. Most of the kids that go on to study CS/STEM are not in public schools? Most are at private institutions. Even the ones that are in public schools, this school district is in an area where the homes are on average a million dollars. Euros have better free education, but in America you have to pay up for quality and then it’s exponentially better.

>>106428114
>leadership is when we pour money into a bubble
nvidia is overheated
roi of 50 years lamao

>>106428114
>>106428126
i just realized
youre a mongoloid retard when it comes to finance too

americanism is truly a disease
theres no two ways around it

>>106428108
If purely technical stuff mattered and these counties somehow were super better than the US, than you would see vastly different outcomes. So either super technicality doesn't matter, or the US actually has just as many if not more super technical smart people. But you won't address that fact. Will you.

>>106428126
>>106428135
I'm not making a comment on their finances. I'm showing you that the vast majority of higher-ups at American tech companies are American.

If you want a company with a lower P/E ratio, take a look at GM's board.
https://www.gm.com/company/leadership

>>106427536
fair enough, but I don't see the point in showing a basic version of calc to 4th graders
I'd prefer a solid basis in the earlier courses, like a year of algebra in 3rd grade (not the two or even three they're putting in high school now for no reason). In my experience K-2nd grade could be made into one year, then 3rd-5th, and 6-8th in another, just most schools prevented anyone from doing that. Then even around 7th grade someone could start doing calculus, if they were so driven.
though I don't expect to practically get this from anything other than homeschooling by parents who know enough and have the time which is unfortunately uncommon today

>>106428165
>higher-ups at American tech companies are American.
moving goalposts
cope harder, youre not one of them + now they tend to be jeets, actually

jeets > ameriniggers. not surprizing in the least

>>106423328
1. they aren't really
2. often programming is the only way to apply yourself when you can't make it as a researcher or engineer because your corrupt shithole doesn't evolve past an economy based on manual labour and resource extraction

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>>106428187
>ignorance
aha
so thats why nobody wants to hire you
noted.

>>106428184
That isn't true either. I already showed you four companies and there aren't a lot of Indians there.

Take a look at Amazon. One Indian.
https://ir.aboutamazon.com/officers-and-directors/default.aspx

Or at Meta. No Indians.
https://investor.atmeta.com/leadership-and-governance/

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>>106428187
>1. they aren't really
SAAAAAAR!
THEY ARE NOT! NOT REALLY!

>>106428223
cope harder
youre worthless human filth

whats next?
j huang is american bc hes got a double nationality, right?

>>106428267
Almost all American executives have American citizenship. I'm talking about ethnicity.

Jensen Huang has been in America for 54 of his 63 years. He went through the American education system that you're calling a failure.

In fact, he started off with the worst of what we have to offer. Look up his early life.

>>106428200
>>106428242
I don't disagree that individuals from eastern europe are among the more visible in international programming communities, I even outlined a big reason for why this is the case among others that were already mentioned
it's just saying that eastern europeans are freakishly good programmers in general that is a gross mischaracterization of the facts

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>>106428302
>redditspacing as a cherry on top
they aint sending their best, are they?

>im talking about ethnicity
but you still cited ngreedia
>He went through the American education system that you're calling a failure.
your educational system is a total fucking failure indeed. picrel
https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=nyc+questions+dumb+people

that doesnt mean exceptional people cannot rise despite a bad education, or a lack thereof

>>106428326
>tactical retreat
russia and ukraine are the only east european countries that base their economies on resource extraction
poland, chech republic, slovak republic, romania, hungary and belarus are also part of east europe
none of these economies are based on resource extraction

>>106428326
>>106428360
...and the baltics
but nobody cares about the baltics, ever
theyre a bunch of suicidal sissies anyways

>>106428360
are you really trying to claim that the countries you listed offer a substantial amount of career opportunities for intellectual work?

>>106428336
But exceptional people in Russia aren't doing that for some reason. Not even when they come over to the United States. Maybe they're not so exceptional.

Jensen Huang had a rough start, but he eventually managed to get into a state university and his achievements there got him into Stanford and then into AMD.

That means America offers a path to success even for people who didn't start off in the best of circumstances. It gives you a lot of chances for your exceptionalism to flourish.

There's more to programming than online competitions. Talent has to be nurtured and offered room to grow in a real-life environment. That's all I'm trying to say.

>>106428423
yeah but you know shit from fuck, redditspacer
and for some reason you have a fixation with russia
is that some kind of retarded inferiority complex or something?

>That means America offers a path to success
yeah and how does that relate to east europe producing superior sw engineers?
youre completely fucking retarded and cant do otherwise but look for cope in everything you write
so also youre also mentally deranged

>>106428411
poland does
plenty of american companies have offices in poland and offer barely inferior salaries compared to what can be gotten in the west for specialist roles
if not even better conditions.
and then you factor in the fact that the living costs are a fraction of what they are in the west

what good of a 10k pmo salary if you pay 5k for your fucking rent like in silicon valley?

>>106428411
>>106428492
>poland does
just checked the numbers
avg salary for a data engineer is the same in poland as it is in belgioom (44k)
its not worth it to emigrate from poland to west europe
maybe to the us if one's desperate for money
but the 110k avg quickly loses its appeal once you consider the increased cost of life
the miserable life conditions, social unrest, having to worship niggers, no job security, having to look at and talk with americans, being abroad etc

>>106428492
I'm focusing on Russia because Russia is the archetypal Eastern European country.
Exceptions aside, Russia and the rest of Eastern Europe doesn't produce superior software engineers if we look at real-life results. They have an edge in online competitions but that doesn't translate to real-life results.
I'm not even saying America is superior. The smartest engineers I've known were from Western Europe. They're late bloomers, but once they bloom they really know their stuff.

>>106428558
>I'm focusing on Russia because Russia is the archetypal Eastern European country
only in your amerinigger delusions

the majority of that country isnt even in fucking europe

>Russia and the rest of Eastern Europe doesn't produce superior software engineers if we look at real-life results
oh, real life results now
like half of your corpos doing their it and graphics design in poland, mhh?
i know how that market looks like, my cousin works for garnier. in warsaw.

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>99.999% of the programs you use in daily life were programmed by straight, white, American men
>"yeah but look at this <insert fringe identity here>! xhe made this thing that nobody uses!"

>>106423328
Complete myth
They are jeet tier

>>106428674
oof
ur seething. hard
ywnbaee (you will never be an east european)

>>106425010
Slavs are quasi-asian
Certainly not western

>>106428702
>slavs are actually asian
bargaining stage
good. youre healing

>>106427685
exactly. if you want a female doctor she better be Eastern Euro or East Asian.

>>106428691
I don't want to be ee. You guys are all depressed and keep killing each other
The best engineers I've met have been American born. Almost always white or Asian

t. FAGMAN

>>106424332
>Codeforces red
definitely gonna make it

>>106425060
cope. the reason is simple: because an American kid has many paths to escape poverty, but a Russian kid has just a few. a Russian kid can't do robotics because there is no robotics in Russia, so he has to grind IOI problems.
America is life on easy mode.

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>>106428743
>fagman
technologically speaking theyre shit
i wouldnt even mention them if i were you

>didnt see em
ofc you didnt your corpos have offices in poland
even though theyre pivoting towards india now, it seems
msft is hiring ~10k jeets for their offices in new delihi this year

>>106427866
>I don't see Russians creating better games, better apps, or better operating systems.
Yandex image search is better than Google's and now Yandex search is too (muh "diversity"). TikTok is the most important app for Gen-Z.

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>>106423328
>constantly under threat from russia
>resources are tight but not dire
>situation is less than ideal but not impossible
>thus if you need something it's probably easier to just do it yourself
>this also requires a personal interest in doing said thing; thus giving the appearance of eastern europeans being 'good' at programming since the only ones you notice are the ones who manage to succeed despite the odds

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>>106428556
Poland is an actual country no doubt

>>106428949
>constantly under threat from russia
and thats why us special forces had to blow up the nordstream, right?

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>>106428954
yeah, unlike america
same could be said about half of europe though

>>106428883
tik tok is chinese
google's image search is miles better so is google search if you're not looking for pirated crap or illegal shit
also yandex ai alice is hot garbage
cope zigger

Who could've thought this bait thread will end up to be a Europe VS USA thread. You should unite to face the brown wave that's replacing us instead you retards

>>106429039
blame ameriniggers and their cope
i dont start the fucking hate
fukken american exceptionalism when your cities burn daily, your women have "boyfriends", and the situation in europe is a direct result of american globalism
and then you have the gall to make remarks

oh, and usa is not even 50% white anymore.
fuck you. i aint gonna change a iota, its an amerinigger problem

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>>106429013
>tiktok is chinese
yeah news at 11. the point is that there exists tech outside US and most of US tech is enabled by foreign talent. who put the man on the moon?

I'm used to working with jeets, so working with ruskies was shocking. They're as competent if not more competent than I am. Jeets are hardly more competent than a mediocre college student

>>106423328
Asian genes.

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>>106429055
Globalization and wokism is rotting the US and Europe the exact same way. Don't put the blame on each other. Whites are disappearing from both continents

>>106429086
I agree, Russians are absolutely on par with Germans and Frogs

>>106424929
this isn't even true
they are mutually exclusive. rote repetition and routine are exactly how you kill problem solving ability. repetition is only good for motor tasks where you hope to make things second nature for your lizard brain, but in fields like engineering you will not be engaging with problems at a level beyond the abstract and its implementation, you only get good through organic engagement with the problem solving process of breaking everything down into its elementary particles and orchestrating them into a beautiful whole. the idea you can expedite this kind of thinking or you can only pay attention to one aspect of it is exactly what kills software engineering today.
it's also why eastern europeans cannot develop well performing, good looking games.

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>>106429111
nono
it started with you
it started with post ww2 marshall plan
then your globalists wanted more so your forced econ liberalism upon europe
so you could do your hostile takeovers and such
then it still wasnt enough so your globalists pressured europe to dismantle nationalism because people still had pride in their nations and didnt let themselves be exploited
and it still wasnt enough. so your globalists lobbied for mass immigration under the pretense of solving the labor problem
it never was an option btw. like somehow we could lower our standards of life to start competing with china or india
when by another side you crippled europe's energy economy when you blew up the nordstream

it was never about competitivity
it was to maintain a geometric growth for the market because your globalists are degenerates who cannot make money otherwise than hodl like complete niggerbrained retards

and that is BEFORE we factor in kikedom, and your special relations with their fucking shithole

>>106429156
I'm French you retard. Guess who gave the nuke to Israel ? Globalism philosophy comes from Europe, but whatever, you should think about how to stop it instead of blaming the muts for everything

>>106429186
you stop globalism by nuking usa
simple as fucking ass
dont nuke pissrael btw i want them to be cannibalized by the araps

>guess who gave the nuke to pissrael?
oh, so you want to discuss how france was already pozzed before ww1?
and what does it change to the fact that its the usa that are the crowbar that was and still is used to pry europe wide open?
especially because american globalists interest align with jewish globalists (and with all the rest btw.)

you remove usa from the equation, you solve globalism in europe, simple as
which is not gonna happen. if were talking about realistic solutions, then we have to dismantle all power structures that get exploited by globalism
kill the EU, outlaw lobbying, nationalize the social contract, declare external debt as anti-constitutional by virtue of limiting sovereignty
and a MAJOR reform of our systems with a vast increase of central power but complete democratization of decisionmaking

>>106429186
oh and
>globalism philosophy comes from europe
thats completely normal
americans were a bunch of constantly drunk anarchists at that time
wtf could they ever produce, intellectually speaking?
also:
who the fuck cares about ideology?
globalism as an ideology is pr. its advertisement. it has zero value

if (group) is so good at programming, then how come their nations have no software industry to speak of and have to apply to American companies in the hope of getting a programming job?

>>106429156
>>106429248
smaller market with way less retarded consumers
corruption of european leaders post ww2

>>106429248
>>106429258
oh, and also brain drain bc of the above

>>106429243
>>106429223
Europeans voted to be slaves of the US and now they regret it, ok change something then. You are the equivalent of the Arabs still crying about European colonisation 200 years ago. But at least the Arabs are fucking your wife and kids as a revenge. You are doing nothing but crying about some false facts. Go back to /pol/ and cry there

>>106429332
>false facts
>but euros are still slaves to the us

you cant have it both ways you complete retard
omg
the american fucking disease...
you were bred to be as fucktarded as possible
and if that wasnt enough you got slapped with a healthy dose of chemicals to make you sure stay that way

>>106423328
Eastern Europes build sketchy shit and are only good at "competitive" programming problems. Indians engineers build the infrastructure you're using to shitpost, spearhead AI progress. There's a difference between being good at leetcode and being useful.

>>106426384
Nope it's not. I competed myself in olympiad level problems and it's 100% memorization based. Eastern Europeans just memorize problem sets. They started doing this much earlier than Asians, which is why Asians are lagging behind 5-10 years when you compare medals/achievements.
>>106428777
You are literally saying what I'm saying. Grinding IOI problems is a form of memorization. Russians love cheating like that.
When you look at real world advancements and innovation, Russians don't perform very well at all. Neither do other Eastern Europeans.
Russians are just the Asians of coding before Asians got access to the internet. And Asians will start doing better than them soon because they have higher avg IQ.
Seeing all these Eastern Euro trashes glaze themselves is hilarious though.

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>>106429395
cope harder amerinigger

>>106429408
And what's that supposed to prove?

>>106429126
I've never met a German or French that could code.

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>>106429412
>surely you can become data scientist by memorization alone, right?
ameriniggers and their cope
lamao

>>106423328
they take one book and read it over and over again
then they take one class of problem and do them over and over again
meanwhile americhads read everything and mog them at work
see how americhads play 100 games while they grind one game like csgo, dota, lol
tl; dr thirdies are frauds

>>106429431
Are you a nocoder? Data Scientist is webdev tier in 2025.

>>106429438
>cope
>but desperate this time

>>106429444

> Doesn't know Data Scientist is a completely made up job description invented in the 2010s and 2020s so unemployed people from STEM adjacent fields could land a job in IT

shiggy diggy zoomer

>>106429451
>i didnt like it anyways
ywnbaee

>>106429458
data science is worse than webdev
webdev at least involves some coding
data science is nocoder central
boomer academics can master it in their spare time

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>>106429464
i assume youre a webdev filtered by stats then
dont look at me, youre the one who established a pattern of copium addiction

>>106429356
Again, I'm European you schizo

>>106429464
>>106429472
actually
you being a webdev fits the profile
youre extremely retarded
barely functional in society

>>106429458
My bad I just realized I'm conversing with an actual Eastern European. Maybe even the worst kind of Eastern Europeans: Polish people. Or maybe Ukrainians. Apart from spamming problem sets your kind really isn't good for anything.
>>106429472
> he thinks Statistics is a qualifying subject
Is this the level of teaching in Poland? Do they make students feel smart if they can pass Stats?

>>106429472
webdev is more complicated than data science
any highschooler can do data science
it's a first semester course at most colleges now
it's the easiest one too
some stat course with python and r
your grandmother could master it in a month

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>>106429487
[x] doubt
euros just aint that retarded, im sorry
mental deficiency is an american thing

>>106429503
> Flames Americans
> Every Indian , Chinese, Eastern European would sell their mother to land a gig in the US

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>>106429495
>webdev is more complicated than data science

>>106429126
They are top tier because they have something called engineering schools which are different from normal universities. Take a German or French guy with a real "engineer degree" (not a master from a university, a real engineer degree) and you have 99% chances to have a super good guy. Most of them work in high lvl companies and are recruited before they go out of school during their internships tho

>>106423328
Eastern Europeans still have functioning brain. Western Europe and half of America have their brains and penis castrated.

>>106429510
do you think stats is complicated because it's the first course you couldn't memorize the answers to?
why don't you show me something what you think is so complicated about it?

>>106429514
> French guy trying to self insert his irrelevant schools or country
Nobody gives a damn about France or Germany. Nobody worth anything wants to work in these countries except people from massively poorer countries that can't make it to the US.
USA is the gold standard because White Americans are the smartest people on the planet.

>>106429508
> Every Indian , Chinese, Eastern European would sell their mother to land a gig in the US
no.
usa is a shithole
id rather stay in my country and earn more than a politician than go overseas and become middle class
and be forced to worship niggers. or get shot by a sicario

>>106429529
Where are you from?

>>106429520
ok ill give you an example:
figure out the signals that indicate that a cryptocoin will rise 2% in the next 15 minutes

stats are simple, no?
>inb4 thats quant
no. quant is much harder. even though some data scientists are employed exactly for that
crypto is just another noisy signal
the kind of shit you have to deal with as data scientist

so, whay arent you crypto millionaire already?

>>106423328
They aren't. They're just cheaper to hire so the mainstream media pushes bullshit like this
Not saying they aren't good though

>>106429537
Are you a econ major thinking Stats is the pinnacle of hard maths because that's where you topped out?

>>106429532
poland
wasnt it obvious enough?

>>106429549
Can you stop responding to my posts? I don't care what a Polish person thinks about the IT world. Thanks.

>>106429547
i find it very flattering that you talk about me
but its completely irrelevant to the fact that equating stats to webdev is completely fucking retarded
and saying that webdev is actually harder is pure, unadulterated cope

>>106429537
>he thinks the digital marketing intern at disney and the junior brand manager at mattel (the stuff you posted) is gaming the crypto market
lmao wtf is this cope? are you drunk?

>>106429554
ignore my posts then
bc i will do whatever i please
especially to an american

>>106429431
>>106429565
>tactical retreat
youre a bitch
a worthless whore

>>106429562
what's easier? building netflix or writing a marketing report for netflix?

>>106429565
It's 100% an econ major who pivoted to Stats/ML and thinks Stats is the most difficult subject in the world lol. This might be even more annoying than the avg Eastern European thinking he's a special snowflake because he memorized all problem patterns on Leetcode. If I were Eastern European I would never dare to share my opinion and just hope nobody notices that I am from there. There's nothing to be proud about in these countries. They are quite literal shit holes.

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>>106429574
>They are quite literal shit holes.
you mean american cities?

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>>106429573
idk man
a meth junkie with no degree was good enough to help building it so...

>>106429598
Just so we are clear, any of these tech CEOs has more value than the entirety of all Poles summed up existing between 1905 and 2025. Same reasoning goes for any other Eastern European country to be quite frank. Don't come here trying to teach the people who invented the internet what value is. I'm sure that shit flies in Poland. But the internet is ran by the United States of America.

>>106429572
>mlops
>cognism
>nielsen
so these are the people you're comparing to quants working at jane street lmao
>>106429598
this guy streams for over 24 hours at a time
even if you fuck around that's a lot of reading and coding
and he's been doing this for decades
you think he's comparable to some boomer academic using r?
just because he isn't uptight and miserable all the time doesn't mean he's incompetent

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>>106429586
>silence
oh, you counted on the fact i dont know just how much of a dump america is?
i have family in the states. i also have family in russia. and in several other countries

but this raises a more interesting question:
what was your aim in trying to convince me otherwise?
was it trolling?
or was it cope?

and if trolling-
was it an attempt at d&c?
or is it just because youre a piece of shit?

your countryside is a shithole too btw
the only redeeming part about america is its emptiness. in other words- anywhere but where americans live.
but sasquatch and shit kinda ruins that one too

>>106429527
They make up 50% of your Nobel prices you turbo retard

>>106429627
>Just so we are clear, any of these tech CEOs has more value than the entirety of all Poles summed up existing between 1905 and 2025
tech ceos are by large marketingroids
and marketingroids have zero value

that you throw money at them like theres no tomorrow, is only another sign of the mental illness called "being an american"
you also throw milions at e-thots btw. very worthy investments to be quite famalam

>>106429638
>amd
i think you missed that one

>you think he's comparable to some boomer academic using r?
of course not
you will never get through a degree in maths if you do meth

>>106429549
hahahahahahahahahah fuck man imagine being proud of being a pole, the troon country that lost every wars in history and have nothing going on. You aren't even a first world country. I thought I was arguing with a real European my bad

>>106429694
>hahahahahahahahahah fuck man imagine being proud of being a pole
yeah
were a glorious nation that was created 1000+ years ago
compared to that americans dont even fly their own colors when they protest

you have no national unity, you have no pheno, and you have no common history
you will never be a nation

>>106429665
>you can't do meth and math at the same time
ironic because the most famous meth addict in math (paul erdos) was eastern european

>>106429665
>marketing groids
you mean data scientists?

>>106429714
>glorious nation that was created 1000+ years ago
there's no way you're not a trolling russian

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>>106429729
>paul erdos
>Because he was Jewish, Hungary was dangerous so he left the country, relocating to the United States in 1938.
this explains alot
espacially the papers. jews have issues with property and boundaries

cant find a word about meth doe

>>106423328
Probably because it's so damn cold their hobby is to program for fun instead. And booze, of course

>>106429749
literally in the 3rd/4th line
>he started taking antidepressants and amphetamines
do you need r for that too, mr data scientist?

>>106429740
no, marketingroids. as a marketingroid you dont need a data scientist to derive basic stats
youre very retarded, anon
dont you ever get bored of being shown that youre deficient?
>>106429747
>american education, everyone

>>106429764
>you don't need a data scientist to derive basic stats
so what do all these "data scientists" at mattel and p&g do all day?
they derive basic stats for americhad ceos lmao

>>106429777
yeah, everyone has their swindle
and illiterates deserve to phay. with an h bc it encompasses the emotion better

another L for american education bc when i was trained in marketing i was taught to be self sufficient

>>106429787
>when i was trained in marketing
my condolences.
thoughts and prayers for a quick recovery.

>>106429714
Brother In Europe only Germany France Italy the UK and a few other countries really matter. The hard truth for you is that even in Europe nobody can place your post soviet shit hole on a map, you are just like Ukraine, Belarus, Romania, Slovakia ect ect... Just a buffer zone to keep the real Europeans safe from the stinky comies, we don't allow you to have nukes, you are in our little cuck cage, you are a tool country.

>>106423493
Discipline and emphasis on education is a sign of white supremacist culture.

> Company decides to use Indians
> They cost 1/10
> They don't do the work
> Company uses Eastern Europeans
> They cost 1/5
> They don't do the work
Remind me why we need these foreigners again? As a rule of thumb if somebody is worth their salt they move to the United States, everybody else can be safely disregarded without any hard feelings.

>>106429795
nono
its ok
thanks to that i could create a successful company which in turn made me earn enough to NOT work since 6 years now
i also did my studies in cs during that time if you can call it that
i actually went to a talent incubator one floor removed from google's own such an organization
marketing is not my only skill as you could have noticed if you werent profoundly retarded

>>106429802
im a tool country but its the uk, ger, fra, and ita that are invaded by browns and can do fuck all about it
if the opposite means being a tool country, im pêrfectly ok with that
at least tool countries get to keep their sovereignty, kek

>>106429806
oof
ur seething
take a break, anon
youre gonna end up with an ulcer

>>106423328
It's one of the few ways for them to get a good paying job in the west from a distance, with future possibility of relocation.
But this also means westerners rarely see all the ones that doesn't make it on the market.

>>106429851
>all the ones that doesn't
wow
peak grammar

>>106429838
so you've been unemployed for six years now
why didn't you use that time to show those inferior american ceos who's boss?
where are all your products? you even know marketing!
>ê
french troll?

>>106429838
> I went to a talent incubator at Google
> Ackshually not Google but the one one floor below
HAHAHAHAHA

>>106429873
>so you've been unemployed for six years now
if you can call it that
i still have my vat number
i still pay my insurance

>why didn't you use that time to show those inferior american ceos who's boss?
having money makes you lazy.

>where are all your products? you even know marketing!
because you couldnt have marketed a service.
american education, everyone

>french troll?
no, i live in belgium

>>106429888
>calls the uk, ger, fra, and ita globohomo
>lives in belgium

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>>106429838
It's just that nobody wants their African shit hole to live in another type of shithole. One big factor being that you were never a superpower so you never had colonies. Don't be delusional the day you become a first world country (never) you'll be plagued by negroes just like every first world country. For now you are lucky? to live in one of the rare white? country that is still completely irrelevant and poor after centuries of existence.

>>106429908
Wants to leave their African shit hole*

>>106429886
yeah
and?
i still was paid for that
we still are (were) financed by apple
and alumni from there skip the line for employment

yeah, maybe google's TI was harder to get into
who cares, people from our place still rank higher than MIT in the job market

and then you paid for education
like a cuck
and now like a cuck you have to compete with poos, and wait for 6 months before you realize you have been ghosted by another company
with a 6 digit debt to your name

you came for cope but all you will find is a rope

>>106429898
>strawman
i accept your vile intellectual submission (no longer a concession, that one was given a good while ago)

>>106429908
more cope.
>respect us for our status
that of brownoid dumping grounds, right?
and where are your colonies now?

kwab

>>106429937
>he thinks i'm arguing with him
bruh you're literally bragging about american companies recruiting marketers in poland, going to an incubator one floor down from an american company which was financed by another american company all while talking about how great eastern europe is while living in the brownest country in western europe and all this is somehow supposed to prove eastern european coders are superior
at this point i'm just waiting to see what ridiculous thing you'll say next

>>106429959
I'm European and I agree with this faggot American

>>106429919
I'm sure in Poland you are a big shot. You can convince some local people that you "made it". On the global stage everybody thinks you are a joke. Eastern Europeans as a whole are such a joke.
> Look at my IOI medals
> Look at my codeforces rank
Yeah well have you looked at Russia? Why would we want Russia over here?

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>>106429959
theres alot of retardation and cope in your post so ill focus just on one point:
>implying its the talent incubators are what created the talent
kek.
the most hilarious part is that our model is peer learning
amerinegro companies were there only there to pay the bills.

you have no merit
you have no nation
your workforce is garbage
your population is talentless

all you have left is cope

>>106429508
Nah, not in 2025 USA. 20 years ago maybe, the US back then looked like an amazing place to be but after what you retards have been doing to your society and culture over the last 10-15 years (as far as I can tell, looking from the outside in) I wouldn't be too hot on moving over. I'm not looking to live in tranny & nig-nog worship & self-hate & culture war ground zero. The US used to be cool but now I can only see you as the nation of the gay & lame. I would need to be offered some job with truly obscene pay to want to move over there. Life over here in Eastern Europe sure as shit is far from perfect and every politician seems to be some form of disgusting thief looking to steal and line his pockets but despite all that I've managed to build a pretty decent life and career for myself, I wouldn't give it up easily just to move to such a nasty-looking society.

>>106430001
Not even people from India or Somalia want to go to Poland or Russia. What does that say about your people and the country they have built?

>>106429976
>implying i care abt what others think of me
sucks to be a wagie i guess
so that you have to bend the knee and care about normshit retardation like "opinions"

keep your good opinions, im here only for the cash

>>106430010
>implying i care abt what you think abt my country
actually, im perfectly happy that you think my country is a shithole

you get all the poos
and i get a safe, ethnically homogeneous society
i see no downside to this deal

>>106430001
there are two alternatives
either apple thinks of poles as harmless pussycats so they're offering free money to you like a charity case
or they got a significant chunk of equity like most incubators and you were swindled out of more than you gained
which was it?

>>106430023
i dont care
end result: i get money
i get to do things with that money
and you have been cucked out of money which i use to do things

praphrasing: sticks and stones can break my bones
but thoughts will never hurt me

also the TI i went to is in belgium, not poland
i dont think we had a branch in poland at any point

>>106430021
>>106430012
I thought Indians were bad about coping with the state of their country but Eastern Europeans seem to be on a whole other level. You should be grateful we taught you English or you would be plowing the fields in bumfuck nowhere right now. I guess they don't teach you that on IOI team huh

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>>106430035
>n-no, u cope
cope abt what?
clean streets? good looking women?

youve been seething at me for the past several hours now
this shows that youre jealous. you wouldnt care if i were insignificant otherwise

i told you, youre retarded
dont even attempt to manipulate discourse you can only fail
nature didnt equip for cogniitve tasks

>>106430034
so you were one floor down from
>A 3-month, free-of-charge program designed to provide women with new skills, coaching and networking opportunities to build and grow their business.
facebook.com[slash]googledigitalatelier
so this is your incubator?
becentral.org[slash]residents

>>106430106
>be central
yeah thats the place
>googledigitalatelier
and thats the name
didnt know it was that fucking lame though
'explains why we were a separate thing
we didnt exactly deal in bullshittery

>>106430106
and you dont need to dig that deep
i posted a picrel itt with the name of the org i was studying at

>>106430143
so you went to campus 19 and then worked at becentral
what sort of stake do the investors usually demand for funding?

>>106430188
they sometimes gave us problems to solve
and they have control over the cursus itself-
investors set the standards of education in s19* to have an elite workforce trained to their specifications. thence- we get privileged treatment with employment.

and the training is really not what you would expect considering what one usually hears about the wider industry
theres a very heavy emphasis on c, not as a programming language proper, but as a training tool
once you get through you get to play with sepples a little, and afterwards its assumed you can handle everything
we also had mandatory asm but now its been moved into "specialisation" so to speak
no longer part of the core cursus

*actually, s42, s19 is the name of the belgian branch

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>>106423328
I am a researcher, so not a programmer per se but write a lot of code of quality much higher than my peers. The reasons are
>some degree of autism
>born poor
so no fancy superfast computer with all the software you need: so learn to pirate, write code that sucks less and so on
>the importance of education was hammered down from the elementary school
as a way out of poverty, rusanons ITT can confirm the phrase "oh, you don't want to study? it's fine, the country needs janitors too" was oh so common, so I studied hard and eventually escaped my hellhole country by getting a good job in the EU
>the education is actually decent on average and very good in good schools
I was honestly surprised how intensive our curriculum is compared to USA, at least on average
>the weather is often shit, so you are incentivized to stay inside
>same but with gopniks everywhere

>>106430228
> He went to a coding camp and thinks he's better than MIT graduates
>>106430244
Yea you absolutely aren't better than actual top Ivy league researchers. Russians and Eastern Europeans are just very good at churning out mediocre mostly irrelevant work to keep the flow of money going. They rarely have any important contributions and they also don't participate in any edge breaking tech ventures.
I've yet to meet a Eastern European coder who actually completed his job on time and didn't have to have his work redone multiple times. Exception being the ones who grew up in the United States.

>>106423493
>Soviet discipline
no such thing

>>106430244
i'm asking how much of your company they take once you actually have a product
like yc takes 7% and gives you $500k and takes additional equity during future funding rounds
what's it like in europe?

>>106430277
>sub 80 iq cannot grasp nuance
>rank higher than MIT in the job market
>in the job market

but then s42 even has a robotics branch in paris.
sooo it stands to reason we rank higher than MIT's cs full stop.
shrimple ass.
esp. considering that once you passed common core youre pretty much guaranteed to get a well paid job without much effort.
why wouldnt you? you'd be decent at c, c++, and js at that point, with learned paranoia about correctness that would take years to acquire otherwise

if that wouldnt translate into money for our sponsors they wouldnt be financing it

>>106430304
Nothing you wrote is particularly impressive and just proves how insecure and pathetic Eastern Europeans are. You made it to France. Well done I guess. So do 1000s of North Africans every day by boat. And at least they don't come here and shit up the board with how great they are because they grew up in poverty which they brought onto themselves because they are stupid slavniggers.
Absolutely nothing worth of note will ever come from any institution that you visit or visited.

>>106430304
>you'd be decent at c, c++, and js
>we rank higher than MIT's cs full stop
was this entire thread bait?
are you a master baiter?

>>106430330
>still doesnt verify his assumptions
>after hours of breaking his teeth on his attempts at being insulting
ur intellectually impotent, anon
are you the webshitter whos got filtered by stats?
it would fit the profile

>>106430333
>after common core
another sub 80 fails at reading comprehension

if this is MIT, we 100% rank higher than you

>>106430345
> Has no counter arguments
> His whole identity is having grown up poor
> His claim is he is superior to MIT graduates for having completed what amounts to a coding boot camp in France or associated with a French institution
I'm glad I don't have to deal with many Eastern Europeans. And I'm sure your code sucks.

>>106427812
my exact thought, and what's even worse, ha may be probably telling her the leftist woke version of it

>>106430393
counter argument to a sad homonem, right?
youre fucktarded, anon
your brains are mush
you cant even into 10th grade reading skills

>>106430397
aren't you a retired millionaire?
wtf are you doing on /g/?
shouldn't you be lifting weights and fucking whores all day?
you clearly aren't planning on coding anytime soon

>>106430423
>another gregarity argument from the sub 80 iq
>still cant comprehend we have different psychological structures
since i have money, why should i be compelled to do anything?

>>106430437
you've chosen not to code anymore
so why spend your time here on a fine saturday morning in brussels?

>>106430447
>you've chosen not to code anymore
oh, did i? thats news

>>106430451
so you've been inactive for six years for no reason?

>>106430453
didnt say that either
i said i didnt need to work for 6 years
implying- work for SOMEONE ELSE

>>106423328
mfw only 5 dishes team.
never gonna make it

>>106423328
>Why are eastern europeans such freakishly good programmers?
I've never known them to be.
I mean, the guy who made Tetris seems pretty cool, but that's just like one dude and one project.

>>106428613
awful lot of this 2bqh
even more than the actual projects they make lol

>>106429804
which is why the white supremacists that replied to the same anon thought it was the exact opposite. grow up timmy, you can't blame ALL your shortcomings on everything else

>>106430479
so as a young founder who is also an active coder you spend all night on 4chan arguing about eastern europeans?

>>106430546
yeah
one of the advantages of self employement (if the term applies) is that you set your own schedule
also its saturday today

im not a young founder though
im 36 i had the time to do a full career before i integrated s42
i mog you but not THAT hard
know my mercy, i got you seething hard enough
'not a millionaire either
i could be if i didnt take a hard turn into programming
but yeah, i never reached the millie
in fact i hover around 100k.
enough to be lazy and take my time, but not enough to hang up the gloves so to speak

>>106430571
well goodnight mogger
have a nice day
stay mogging

>>106430608
same to you
and i wish you economical emancipation as soon as possible if you didnt achieve it yet

>>106430612
>>106430608
>>106430571
>>106430546
>>106430532
Imagine starting to talk to yourself so you can end a conversation you are clearly losing but are too insecure to leave. Eastern Europoors man. I'm sure they will blame it on Communism or smth.

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>>106430651
ugh

>>106423328
As other have mentioned - the thing is that your mid-level programmer from richer regions progressively became more retarded and instead started relying on "safety and simplification" principle as the only value.
Programming is all about problem solving and rich dimwits sipping on onions-laden coffee instead of becoming smarter, started believing that they can just throw more money and buzzwords at problems.

The issue is kind of deeper because America for decades was build on importing goods and services from other countries so the last few generations had no reason to develop any significant skills. It's a country of toddlers, it's like a cave with axolotls - axolotls are just salamanders that fucked up their maturing process.

>>106426052
>Oh barkely, you work in the media industry, you should know by now
I don't think he could say the quiet part out loud

>>106423328
in the 90s if you showed potential you were made to do it, so much of it wasn't choice or feeling it would be a good career but that other people saw you could do it and made you. a second point is that they never had enough computers in the 90s and early 00's, so had to read books and code on paper and then when they had their computer time they'd write the code and see if it worked. so they had to code in their head and refactor in their head so that they didn't waste their computer time allocation. in teh West, youd have you own computer and could try hundred so of options and spend the day writing code which fails and refactor to try again. so in the west you discovered correct code on the computer whereas EEuropeans done it in their heads.
this is the theory put forward about russian coders in the book Flash Boys by Michael Lewis

>>106427764
>former Yugoslavia or the former USSR.
Those two are nothing alike
t. from former yugoslavia

>>106430729
>decades
One can argue that this mentality was build into America from the get-go. The forefathers that were importing Niggers were basically doing the same - becoming dependent on "lesser people" with actual skills and abilities. The entire nation was build on mentality of "let someone else do this for me!".

>>106430836
> Another EEuropoorean trying to self glaze
Everybody does CS on paper faggot. If Eastern Europeans are so smart why are their salaries so low?
Avg Eastern Euros literally have to scam their way through Cyprus to get away from your own kind, that's how desperate your people are.
There is not a single American coder that left to go work at a Russian or Eastern European company, in the history of mankind. That alone tells you where the real heavyweights are and where the lightweights are.

>>106423645
Yes, you can. It is call genocide and democide. Just ask the countless native cultures and civilizations that were wiped out. They are now little more than anthropological and archeological curiosities. Trying to piece together from the scraps with no clue on the actual language spoken and culture of the extinct civilization.

>>106430906
>If Eastern Europeans are so smart why are their salaries so low?
should have studied economics

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>Why are eastern europeans such freakishly good programmers?
Name ten Eastern European superstar programmers then.

>>106430906
You keep deflecting to salaries and executive positions. Very odd behavior for a thread about programming ability especially when we can go load up any cutting edge CS paper and see that no white Americans are ever involved. Google/Meta/Microsoft research divisions also have basically no white Americans. The simple fact is that grade school math is too much for you and you'll never be a good programmer because of it. Now deflect with "muh creativity" or "muh problem solving" again.

>>106424677
90% of the cheats in mmo came are coming and will come from eastern europe/russia

let that sink in

>>106431078
Alexander Stepanov
Jakob Pachocki
Aleksandra Mojsilovic
Wojciech Zaremba
Petar Velickovic
Andrej Karpathy
Tomas Mikolov
Andrei Alexandrescu
Vlad Yatsenko
Dmyto Zaporozhets

>>106431140
I asked for superstars like Thompson, Knuth, Ritchie, Kernighan, Torvalds, Bellard, Stallman etc.
Some those listed are merely notable.

>>106431243
With the exception of Bellard those are all absolute brainlets compared to any of the people listed >>106431140 You might as well start worshiping Musk and Kim Kardashian.

>>106429806
My company hired indians for some time. Their productivity was much lower than our own people and code they produced was utter shit.
Boss literally said "we tried hiring indians. All prejudices have been confirmed" and he decided to never hire indians again.

t. pole

Lots of cope ITT
stuff made by Slavs:
>Intellij, Kotlin
>nginx
>redux
>core-js
>Telegram
And so on and so on

>>106427812
kek

>>106430396
>ha may be probably telling her the leftist woke version of it

go back to /pol/ chud

>>106423328
>>106423328
>>106423328
sapir–whorf

I'm eatern euro and I'm a fucking retard, I hate this stereotype because it makes me feel awful about myself

>>106433208
Meant no disrespect, anon, but these dudes are always outliers or grindhards. The majority is just like us, a bunch of retarded baboons.

>>106432869
kek
this, but i kept that to myself bc i wanted to roast the amerifags somewhat

>>106432869
it has no merit whatsoever