Every distro has now wayland and systemd. Why?
>>106424640Mine doesn't. GNU+MX LinuxNo wayland installedNo systemd installedNow, MX's next release I might not be able to make that claim, but right now, you have multiple choices to avoid both of those blights.
>>106424640because youre masturbating over drawn woman instead of actually contributing, you fucking retard
>>106424640I'm using s6 with xlibre on my devuan setup
>>106424640because the alternatives are abandonware now. https://blogs.kde.org/2025/06/02/revisiting-x11-vs-wayland-with-multiple-displays/
>>106424649their next release will provide separate systemd and sysVinit ISO's. The only difference is that in prior releases they were both in one ISO and you chose which one to boot into from the grub menu. But systemd-shim is deprecated and they can't ship them together so they'll separate the ISOs.
>>106424656gigachad
>>106424664them pretending xlibre doesn't even exist says a lot
>>106424669It was been said they will make their next release wayland only or something along those lines. To be honest, I am not going to update ever again. I might install W11 IoT Enterprise LTSC to replace my current W11 Home, but that is as concerned I will be about being up-to-date OS wise until 2034 if we make it.
>>106424684>they didn't acknowledge my new gender >:(
>>106424640Is there no pico systemD? like preact?
>>106424640Because RedHat said so
>>106424640The way open source used to work is that there was a problem, someone back in the 70's wrote an Unix solution to it, that ancient codebase got turned into a paper specification, and then a dozen different people each made their own implementation of that spec because everyone elses code is gay and stupidThis worked. Almost every project had an alternative, this meant that if a project got abandoned then users could simply move to another, and if there was a security issue due to bad code then the impact was minimized. This also ensured that since other applications had no way to reliably know which of these programs the user was running that their code needed to only rely on the paper standards and thus was highly compatible across systems, distros and even architectures.But these days for various gay and stupid reasons everyone is more interested in writing humongous monolithic garbage piles instead, with no standards at all so they can't simply be replaced by other projects either. And so when programs start to rely on these fucking monstrosities, there's no choice but for users to adopt them too.
>>106424684>xlibrethat thing is a joke lmao. and the people on this board should know better than anyone else.
>>106424745>hurrThanks for sharing your opinion, stranger.
>>106424745you faggots said the same thing about Devuan :)
>>106424656fucking based
>>106424745Just works on my machine, what's the problem with it?
>>106424961What's with the sudden spam of Wayland hate? It far surpasses all other alternatives. I understand Systemd because it actually sucks ass.
>>106424640because it's the future gramps
>>106424640factually incorrectdelete in shame and don't make any future posts until you touch grass
>>106424640>>106424640>Why?For the Glory of Satan of course!
>>106424640Easy. Anything RedHat says, most distros just start sucking along.
>>106424640>systemdSystem dick? What's that? Why would you want a dick in your system? >waylandMore like Gayland lmao.
>>106424640my distro doesn't have systemd, and I'm not using either wayland nor xorg, xlibre is comfy
>>106425513picrel>>106425512hey that's my edit, glad people are still reposting it kek
>>106425528You have been using that since it was available, have you come across anything you couldn't easily overcome?
>>106425553>have you come across anything you couldn't easily overcome?in the early days I had to submit a bug report because setxkbmap was broken so I couldn't set my keyboard layout before lightdm started. they fixed it pretty quickly. other than that no major issues really, the only issue I've seen so far happens only one of my machines, where if I minimize or bring a browser window to the front it'll display static for like a 10th of a second, I believe it's because of the Intel driver since my AMD and Nvidia GPU machines don't have that happening (it doesn't crash or anything though so it's just a minor inconvenience I can live with)
>>106425528>hey that's my edit, glad people are still reposting it kekhave some gold, stranger
>>106424640that's a man
>>106425622>pretty quick to fix itThey seem to enjoy the process of rescuing the world. Very nice.>it'll display staticThe whole monitor or just the browser windows? Never heard of that happening before. At least you are having a good time. Glad to hear it.
>>106425680You just quoted the gold, newfriend.
>>106424640>and systemdbecause it's better you contrarian faggot.
>>106425703down the hall sirs
>>106425690You silly boy! :3
>>106425709>sirs>not saarsGet with the times, grandpappy.
>>106425696>The whole monitor or just the browser windows?just the browser window. could be a firefox issue I guess, since my T480 is my only machine that hasn't switched to icecat yet (too many tabs open and kinda lazy to transfer them over). one day I'll stop being lazy. that or it's because I switched to the modesetting Intel driver instead of the xf86 one, since that one didn't work on xlibre at the beginning (no idea if that changed or not)and also like you see on the screenshot I posted above GPU name display is bugged on neofetch, wasn't happening before Artix pushed the patch for it to recognize xlibre, and that's also the only machine where that happens, even my other Intel laptop has it detected fine
>>106424640Because both are controlled by red hat (IBM). Red hat owns the linux desktop and most distros just follow along with what IBM does.
>>106424640>Gilticusit is over
>>106424640Remember Ian Murdock, the Debian guy?Yeah. That's why.
>>106425077>suddenIt's been going on for years my guy, but it's only now that it's gotten major attention, so there's more people talking about it>It far surpasses all other alternatives. I understand Systemd because it actually sucks ass.It really doesn't, it's the exact same situation as systemd. All the issues in X11 Wayland was created to solve either don't exist anymore or aren't worth a whole new display server. Hell, with how long it's taking Wayland to reach maturity, you could have rewritten X11 from scratch with time to spare, but instead we get "just a protocol" that doesn't leave beta status, that won't ever reach feature parity (by design), with a far worse design that works against UNIX' multiple desktop paradigm, and a lack of portability just like systemd as both are aggressively Linux only
>>106425708Compared to which init?
If I want to avoid wayland and systemd, what should I look into as a beginner?
i think because wayland is more..... new and smooth, people like new and smooth, i use it becasue x11 crashes and bug on my machine for some time, about systemd i don't have opinion
>>106426466just install artix, the install process is identical to arch other than how you enable services and what packages you'll have to install depending on your init system. they have a wiki install guide but im sure theres other guides out there if you get stuck
because of decades of maneuvering by red hat
>>106426501>recommending Artix to a beginner
>>106426479Unless you have a really new AMD gpu (lacks support for hardware cursors on X11) X11 should run just as smooth and be less buggy. You probably did something wrong.
>>106424640Soon you will have Rusted coretools.
>>106426514what other option does he have if he wants xlibre and a different init system? devuan and void linux would be even more of a nightmare while artix at least has a lot of begginer friendly resources
>>106426559>while artix at least has a lot of begginer friendly resourcestheir forums are pretty useful too. last time I needed a service that didn't have an existing package for dinit (was for jellyfin iirc, needed it for my server), I found one quickly there
>>106426522I think yes, but i'm tired of getting debian to work on my laptop (i think i may have a hardware issue) so works with waylad - works, maybe i will come back to x11 later (f.e. SSR won't work on wayland correctly) maybe i will move to my pc with full AMD setup
>>106424640Forced as part of the tranny ideology
I don't know why people aren't using DRM/KMS to bypass wayland/xorg (eg. kmscon, gamescope). Sure, displaying a single program at a time might seem like a downgrade, but it simplifies a lot.
>>106424640>Every distro has now wayland and systemd. Why?It got forced upon us, although I honestly like both, but being real here, wayland needs at least 10 more years to be something that should be forced upon everyone, shit's still half assed everywhere.
We told you to install Gentoo. Why didn't you listen?
>>106427226Just wait until you get your “90% there” blazingly fast new coreutils which no one asked for.
>>106425690since when do men look like that? oll
>>106427299The worst part about that shit, is that I could believe with how utterly mindbroken most distro maintainers are, they collectively agree to switch all coreutils to that garbage just to fuck over the GNU because stallman is still on the board and the FSF backtracked the decision.
>>106427326it's a russian tranny
>>106424745lol. A single competent dev could entirely rewrite xorg in their spare time. let alone the team that is already on xlibre. It's just that OS has no competent devs.
>>106427464isn't the dude behind xlibre not even aware of binary operators (xor, and, or, ...)
>>106427547aren't the dudes behind xorg not even aware of binary gender?
>>106427562topkek
>>106424640Wayland does fractional scaling and it actually works. That's a good enough reason to use it.
>>106424640because systemd is useful for making little background tasks and wayland has better multi-monitorthere are faster and arguably better-designed solutions but for a personal computer they're convenient
>>106425077Ideologues decided that they could take over FOSS and hold access to it hostage until society kneels to their demands. Most people just want to use their computers to get things done or have fun, not fight wars with the mentally ill. All of this could end if FOSS went back to 'only the code matters' and excommunicated anyone who tries injecting their ideological beliefs into projects.>Well, if the chuds would just be open and accepting, the fighting would stop.History shows otherwise. Ideologues enter into purity spirals if they don't have a common external enemy to fight. It's in their nature to need to always have something to fight against.
>>106425077>It far surpasses all other alternativesWhere's my global hotkeys? Where's my custom screen resolutions? Where's my native framebuffer-level screenshots?
